The Mysterious Case of Elisa Lam

Oct 21st, 2013 | Category: Featured, Vigilant Reports | 1,993 comments


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There are mysteries that are so eerie and strange that they boggle the mind for days on end. The case of Elisa Lam is one of them. In February 2013, this 21-year-old student from Vancouver, Canada, was found dead inside the Cecil Hotel’s rooftop water tank in Los Angeles. The L.A. County Department of Coroner ruled the death “accidental due to drowning” and said no traces of drugs or alcohol were found during the autopsy. However, there is much more to the story than what is implied by police reports. The first piece of evidence that needs to be considered is an elevator surveillance tape that recorded Elisa’s behavior only a few moments before she lost her life.

The four-minute video posted on YouTube shows Elisa pressing all of the elevator buttons and waiting for it to move. Seeing that the elevator doors are not closing, starts behaving extremely bizarrely. Here’s the video.

At first, Elisa enters the elevator and apparently presses all of its buttons. She then waits for something to happen but, for some reason, the elevator door doesn’t shut. She starts to look around, as if she is expecting (or hiding from) someone. At 1:57, her arms and hands start moving in a very strange matter (almost not human) as she appears to be talking to someone, something … or nothing at all. She then walks away. The elevator door then shuts and appears to start working again.

Right after the events of the video, Elisa apparently gained access to the rooftop of the hotel, climbed to its water tank and, somehow, ended up drowning in it. Her body was found two weeks after her death, after hotel guests complained about the water’s taste and color. Incredible.

Seeing the surveillance footage, most people would conclude that she was under the influence of drugs. However, Elisa did not have a history of drug use and her autopsy concluded that no drugs were involved. When one looks at the context and the circumstances of this death, things become even more mysterious.

Cecil Hotel’s Dark History

Built in the 1920s to cater to “businessmen to come into town and spend a night or two”, Cecil Hotel was quickly upstaged by more glamorous hotels. Located near the infamous Skid Row area, the hotel began renting rooms on a long-term basis for cheap prices, a policy that attracted a shiftier crowd. The hotel’s reputation quickly went from “shifty” to “morbid” when it became notorious for numerous suicides and murders, as well as lodging famous serial killers.

“Part of its sordid history, involves two serial killers,  Richard Ramirez and Jack Unterweger.

Now on death row, Ramirez, labeled “the Nightstalker”, was living at the Cecil Hotel in 1985, in a top floor room.  He was charged 14 dollars a night.  In a building filled with transients, he remained unnoticed as he stalked and killed his 13 female victims. Richard Schave, said “He was dumping his bloody clothes in the Dumpster, at the end of his evening and returned via the back entrance.”

Jack Unterweger, was a journalist covering crime in Los Angeles for an Austrian magazine in 1991.  “We believe he was living at the Cecil Hotel in homage to Ramirez,” Schave said.

He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles, while being a guest at the Cecil.

In the 50’s and 60’s the Cecil was known as a place that people would go to jump out of one of the hotel’s windows to commit suicide.

Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing on the Cecil Hotel marquee, on October 22, 1954.

Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window, on February 11, 1962.

Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband, on October 12, 1962.  Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly.

There was also a murder of one of the residents.  “Pigeon Goldie” Osgood, a retired telephone operator, known for protecting and feeding pigeons in a nearby park, was found dead in his ransacked room on June 4, 1964.  He had been stabbed, strangled, and raped.  The crime still remains unsolved.”

- Las Vegas Guardian Express, Elisa Lam, Morbid History Of Two Serial Killers Unfolds At “Cecil Hotel”

Elisa Lam’s case is yet another sordid addition to the hotel’s history and can lead us to ask: “What the hell is wrong with that place”?

The Movie “Dark Water”

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The story of Elisa Lam is eerily similar to the 2005 horror movie Dark Water. Dahlia, the main protagonist of the movie moves into an apartment building with her young daughter Cecilia. Both of these names are relevant. Black Dahlia is the nickname given to Elizabeth Short, a woman who was the victim of a gruesome murder in 1947 – one that appeared to be particularly ritualistic. The case was never solved. According to LA Observed, it is rumored that Black Dahlia was at Cecil Hotel right before she lost her life.

“The Black Dahlia, Elizabeth Short, is alleged in at least one book to have hung out at the Cecil and drank at the bar next door before she disappeared in 1947, though cultural historians Kim Cooper and Richard Schave of Esotouric say that’s just rumor.”
- LA Observed, Serial Killer Central

In the movie, the daughter’s name, Cecilia, is, obviously, quite similar to the name Cecil Hotel.

After moving into her apartment, Dahlia notices dark water leaking from the ceiling in her bathroom. She ultimately discovers that a young girl named Natasha Rimsky drowned in the building’s rooftop water tank, which caused the water to turn black. The owner of the apartment building knew about this fact but refused to take action. Elisa Lam’s body was  in the water tank for over two weeks, causing hotel guests to complain about foul tasting “black water”.

The ending of the movie is also eerily relevant: The apartment buildings elevator malfunctions and the ghost of Cecilia’s mother braids her hair. Is Elisa Lam’s death one of those ritualistic murders that are synchronistically mirrored in a Hollywood movie?

Another Strange Coincidence

Shortly after the discovery of Elisa Lam’s body, a deadly outbreak of tuberculosis occurred in Skid Row, near Cecil Hotel. You probably won’t believe the name of the test kit used in these kinds of situations: LAM-ELISA. That is hardcore synchronicity.

No Foul Play?

LA authorities ruled in June 2013 that Elisa Lam’s death was accidental and that she was “probably bi-polar”. That being said, some questions remain unanswered. How did Elisa, who was obviously not in her right mind, end up in the hotel’s water tank, an area that is difficult to access? Here’s a news report describing the water tank area.

As the reporter states in the video, the rooftop area is protected by an alarm system and the water tank is difficult to reach. How did Elisa reach that area? Also, how did she close the water tank lid?

As is usually the case for strange deaths, authorities have been incredibly secretive and non-transparent during this investigation. What truly happened here? Why are there so many strange coincidences? Why was Elisa Lam acting so strange in the elevator? Was there a ritualistic aspect to this death? Why is the Cecil Hotel a hotbed for these kinds of stories? Is there some paranormal stuff going on there involving dark entities? The mystery appears to be whole and authorities do not seem to be wanting to probe further. Maybe I should cite here the slogan that appears on Dark Water movie posters : “Some mysteries are not meant to be solved”.

 



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  1. Noah says:

    This is easily the most unnerving story I've ever read on this website.

    • Janice says:

      I just texted my friend the same thing. I told her that I don't know what to think or say or feel about this article and what happened to the poor ladyjan. I feel all sorts of emotions.

    • panda says:

      The biggest clue is her hand gestures.

      I have experienced astral attacks and random OBEs and I have moved my hands and fingers like that when I am being attacked or possessed by a non-physical entity.

      It's extremely peculiar and having experienced it, I would recognize it anywhere.

      It should be obvious that SHE is seeing something or is hiding from something. Whatever it was, only she could see it. No drugs, no bi polar, this is possession.

      • Angie says:

        Why do you exclude bipolar disorder? The same movements apply there too. The way she stands, slowly moving and then going around, even the way she insists pushing buttons are showing a person who is mentally ill/having an episode.

        What I thought was weird was the way she managed to enter the water tank. Either the hotel's alarm wan't on and possibly misinformed everyone about it or someone found her lingering around and murdered her.

        Before we jump in conclusions -of any type- we should carefully and patiently see all aspects of her death. This woman passed away in a very young age, all alone, who know in what state of mind or if someone did something to her, was found two whole weeks later(!!) and the least she should get is justice and clearing up her death's case. For her and her family.

      • Sanat Toma' says:

        Because Bipolar Disorder is a boring tired term that can not account for all the bizarre circumstances in this case. It is a Cop Out term altogether and in this case was even offered by the LA "Cops" as a Cop Out explanation. It's excluded because it is irrelevant and stupid and inefficient

      • Tommy says:

        You people are crazy. This can be explained with clear logic and probably relates to some reasonable explanation having to do with mental illness.
        I swear to god, some people just get off on this conspiracy stuff. Maybe find more interesting things to do with your life so you don't waste time hypothesizing about ridiculous theories.

      • saintinlight says:

        Tommy, I don't know if you are aware, but you are at the wrong web site. You were looking for simplecitizen.com.
        Nothing to see here Tommy, just move along, move along…."Baaaaa"

      • John3:16 says:

        lol! Well said

      • Sanat Toma' says:

        Tommy watched the elevator video and got bored, went to the comments section, thought for a moment hey I'm hungry, went to the Fridge, microwaved some Chicken McSilicone Nuggets, chased it with some heavily fluoridated aspartame diet coke, sat back down, wrote his tired comment, and switched the channel back to MTV Jersey Shore

      • sickofthisevilcrap says:

        hahahhahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahaha!!!!

      • Amanda says:

        Bipolar disorder only occurs in people that have been abused, or have been in traumatic situations. It really does not lead someone to hallucinate. Many times psychological "disorders" are media-societal cover-up terms used to convince people that someone has problems, and to disarm the belief that the problems a person has could be caused by another person or traumatic event.

        I've experienced this my whole life and have never had to take meds because I am aware of the difference/truth.

      • jesussaves says:

        amen

      • soph says:

        That's not true at all. You don't seem to have a complete grasp of the disorder.

      • Jessica says:

        Sorry, but you have over generalized a partially true statement to the extent that it is now simply false. According to the highly validated diathesis-stress model of mental illness, psychopathology most commonly emerges when a genetic predisposition meets an environmental trigger (i.e your example of abuse or trauma). That, however, is where your limited knowledge on the topic ends. Approximately 40% of individuals diagnosed with bipolar report a traumatic childhood; yet even so, an MRI or CT scan of their brain evidence the same physiological differences from an average, non-bipolar brain as that non-traumatized 60% do. For example, the ventricles are enlarged in persons with bipolar, much like the ventricles are enlarged in persons with alzheimers and schizophrenia. Hence, genetic predisposition is key. Also, as a bipolar sufferer yourself, you should know that you can be diagnosed with type I, type II, and "with or without psychotic features." The severity between the types varies greatly, and a type I bipolar with psychotic features can hallucinate just as a person with schizophrenia does. And since you used anecdotal evidence, I will back up my scientific knowledge with the experience I have from working at a neuropsychological clinic where I can see this brain imaging for myself, and know it's not "manipulated by the media." The story of the young lady in this article is very disturbing and I highly suspect foul play and also doubt bipolar as the culprit, but I had to clear up your glaring inaccuracy which serves nothing more than to further discredit an already stigmatized population.

      • Beau says:

        Wow. Jessica. I love you smart girls! Everything you typed here is awesome. :)

      • Ally says:

        The disorder you were referring to is called Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD for short). It can occur together with Bi-polar Disorder (BD – that's where you can mix those up the easiest), which is caused only by chemical imbalance in one's brain. Both conditions may have similar symptoms, but are not the same, please remember this before mis-informating other people about mental illnesses, it does not help those who suffer from it and are seeking medical help (which, by the way, can be true help). Thank you for understanding.

        Apart from that, bi-polar disorder VERY rarely causes symptoms seen in the video. The woman is clearly hallucinatung in a way that reminds me either of schizophrenia or possession more than manic or even mixed episode of bi-polar disorder, even with some psychotic features. Example: in the middle of, let's say, washing up, I might just come up my door out and stare through the peep hole for few minutes seconds, then go back to kitchen spinning around, but I still move like I usually do, maybe faster, maybe my hands are shaking, but I don't look like a puppet on strings, and that's what happens to Elisa Lam on the video.

      • Julian says:

        Because bi-polar disorder doesn't explain how she closed the hatch while accidentally slipping into a tank that needed a saw to open

      • Mary says:

        True.
        My aunt was and is still subject to black magic . Sometimes , the demon that possessed her would get control of her body and she started to twist her arms in inhuman forms , making imposible moves for a person to do . The person that demanded that she get bewitched was her fiance . He wanted her to give him some of her properties .This is a form of mind control . She didn't know what happened to her , she just insisted on selling her house the next days . My grandma and my uncles tried to stop her , and they got ingaged in a physical contact with her . Once again , the demon got control of her , and pushed my uncles who where holding her with an unnatural force…My grandma concluded that her daughter was bewitched ( black magic is very common in this county of $h*t ) and managed to get her to healer they knew . When the healer started to read the verses , my aunt started twisting again . this time her whole body was doing unrealistic movement….

      • hvns says:

        Is she free person now?

      • amaryllis says:

        None of us are free – we are all prone to spiritual attack, hence the need for vigilance. If he were truly unable to find a way in then satan would target the people we love which would hurt us just as much

      • Kari says:

        That's exactly what I thought of when I watched it the second time. You can tell she's looking at her hands like wtf and she's scared but by her body language she's acting completely different than what her energy puts off. This is some incredible proof of SOMETHING that we need to put our finger on. I don't think this was "possession" as in demons but by more advanced humans or beings that know how to manipulate another person. That is what we need to learn about.

      • Andrew says:

        Yes but those humans get their powers to manipulate by d3mons. Humans don't have any powers unless they are given to them by God or s***n. The powers given by God are always there to assist others, the opposite is with the powers given by s****n. To cause destruction.

      • Lily says:

        With the advanced technology the elite has, there is no need for demons.

      • Andrew says:

        And how they have developed such technology I might ask? It's been given to them.

      • Monica says:

        I agree with Andrew, take a look back in history. The egyptians didn't just have the advanced technology they did…which by the way we dont even have now to create the things they did. It was definitely given to them.

      • Lily says:

        And why would you think it was given to them by demons? Extraterrestrials maybe but demons have nothing to do with this and I think you are seriously underestimating the human mind.

      • amaryllis says:

        same thing – ETs , demons and others

      • fidgnan says:

        I agree. Shape shifters.

      • hvns says:

        True.
        The more I learned about pre flood civilizations the closer I am coming to the same conclusion.
        Everything – extraterrestials magics supernatural symbolic signs and buildings as well as various perversions were twisted and intertwined in weird fashion before that world ended.
        Not to mention that many TV programs on such "staff" are guided by satanists explaining it in a very different way….

      • sittingcoffin says:

        How can one make the distinction between extraterrestrials and etheric beings (gods/demons)? Hypothetically, anti-matter (gods/demons) could take any form.

      • amaryllis says:

        exactly

      • BluBoy says:

        Yesss, SAME Deception, different age.

      • Lily says:

        I disagree. Humans may be using for evil purposes things that were given to them by friendly ETs. As an example, free energy could be used to transform the world in a positive way or to destroy it. Humans have a tendency to corrupt things that are beautiful, pure and positive and turn them into weapons to hurt others. Again, it has nothing to do with demons.

      • flowerface says:

        I hate to break it to you, but evil exists. The sooner you realize it, the better.

      • Lily says:

        Humans do not need demons to be evil. That's all I'm saying.

      • amaryllis says:

        friendly ETs? Lol. Like ones that Stephen creates with cute voices and superhero qualities? You have to do better than that kid.

      • Lily says:

        How would you know there aren't friendly ETs? Everything is doom and gloom with you isn't it? Demons and blood sucking reptilians everywhere? Where's the proof? You're acting like we humans are sweet pure little virginal flowers that need evil entities to corrupt us. Nope. We do a great job of being insane on our own. Again, no need for demons.

      • amaryllis says:

        No, not really Lily. Infact, I am the happiest I have ever been in many ways. If you were presented with the proof of demons and reptilians, I question whether you could hack it.

      • King says:

        I question if you know that you are possessed. I question whether you know that YOU personally battle internal demons on the daily. But, I digress

      • CRE says:

        If you think you can personally control d3monic forces, you are totally deluded. Only God can assist you and everyone else. On your own, you're nothing, like a worm inside the pits of earth.

      • amaryllis says:

        Exactly – a lethal combination of human arrogance and lack of faith. If King read my previous posts, he would know that chances are I am very aware of my spiritual and spiritualist framework. I certainly don't "battle" demons though – I don't have that fear or lack of understanding which causes people to lash out, lose sleep over things like that. None at all.

      • D D d says:

        BluBoy, maybe you should reread some of our posts about fear, respect and compassion?
        I am secular, so i don't have to follow those rules, but i thought believers did.?

      • D D d says:

        A bit of a shortcut there. By the rules i obviously meant the ways the holy books descibe to live and act.

      • BluBoy says:

        I know, what am I like…apologies.

      • Lily says:

        Babe? lol. Please show me the proof of your demons and see if I can handle it.

      • BluBoy says:

        Did I say anything about MY demons? please understand what you are reading…babe.

      • Johnny Utah says:

        The only evil is human's themselves. Take people away from this planet, and what other evil is left?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Its always a possibility that we are better conduits for evil than evil by nature.

      • Nicolynn says:

        Ok, you know the elite do ritual sacrifices to demonic entities that they claim to be their gods, don't you? You know most of them are apart of satanic cults right?

        On American Horror Story The Coven, episode 3, this black lady who's into magic said that, "when the gods see this willingness to suffer to sacrifice, they pay attention."

        That's the mind of the elite. They do not work in their own power. They never have, which actually makes their efforts futile, in my opinion. The illuminated are weak!

      • panda says:

        I agree Kari, you are an intelligent and empowered thinker. respect.

        This seems to be the work of at least one adept with the capacity to operate on the astral at will. I still think other non-human entities could be involved.

        This is absolutely what we should be learning. 99% of people will read about astral attacks and just shout demons! and go back to watching x factor. We need to think about what this incident implies about reality.

        The point is that we each have the capacity to operate on the subtle planes because we are always doing this. LIke a bike is made to ride, so are we made to operate on the astral at will. The trick is to become conscious of these other dimensions.

      • hvns says:

        Huh,
        It would be astral thing I advise to someone whom I wand to end life in misery and demonic possession. Except for I never will.

      • panda says:

        You misunderstood.

        Exploring the Astral is like driving a car. This incident is one car, on one road in LA.

        Expand your horizons, I'm referring to Astral travel in general. You already do this every night, you just aren't conscious of it.

        Know Thyself.

      • Soullurre says:

        I completely agree with you. In 2007 of December I had a horrible wreck and died for a bit. My friends that were in the car with me told me that I blacked out at the wheel. A lady that was driving behind me told me she saw my car go out of control and flip 5 times 100ft in the air. 3 of my friends were thrown out of the car as it was flipping and 3 of us were still in the car. Once I regained my memory and had physical therapy and speech therapy I had remembered what happened. I kept trying to tell my mother and other people that I had no control over my body. The demon inside of me was trying to kill all of us. Before that car accident, months earlier I kept having this particular demon talk to me and tell me that they were gonna kill my friends and family along with me. I laughed it off and then had that wreck. Demons are no joke and people need to stop placing mental disorders for an excuse. I've seen enough demons and dealt with several over my years of growing up. When you experience attacks and possession for yourself then judge. Otherwise keep mental disorders out your mouths.

      • Hezsoverign says:

        There was portal some where in your life that allowed an opening for these demons. The only way to stop this is knowing Jesus as you personal savior.

      • daniella quiroz says:

        omg =(

      • jdawg says:

        You also shouldn't count out drugs. I have seen people contort their bodies in very creepy and strange ways when on certain forms of date rape, and guess what… These drugs typically are cleared out of the system within 4 days. I know the body is dead so it wouldn't be able to clear the drugs through urination, however, it was decomposing in water, meaning the drugs could have left the body quite easily in those 2 weeks in the water tank.

        It seems very feasible to me that a hotel employee could have drugged her, stopped the elevator, and brought her to the roof using his security pass. The trickiest part of the question is how did she get in the water tank.

      • Carey says:

        Why are you watching people who have taken date rape drugs?

      • RON says:

        That's what I thought too Panda, The Cecil Hotel is on Mason St. btwn Eddy & Turk streets, I know because I stayed there for awhile & had several friends that did also. Lots of tweekers, crackheads, & low income long term residents stay there. however, I've never seen any type of "unexplained phenomena"

    • caroline says:

      @ approximately 0:32 when she's leaning agaisnt the elevator, the camera is looking dead at her face & it looks distorted & even demonish.. When she moves the face gets distorted meaning she was in facT possesed. Idk if the video was tampered with, but from my observation, this i found weird.. I also felt like a Dark aura surrounding her.. This is really sad, & i'm appalled ppl actually dranK water w/ a decayed body.. Disgusting …

      • stills says:

        hi caroline, I had to take another look after i read your comment, i can see what you mean but i think the picture is just distorted , looks like it was pixelated rather than posessed. But i agree its appalling poor people actually ended up drinking the water. and HOW did she get that lid on.. definately suspicious.

      • atlantis says:

        Perhaps that was the point?

      • Prairiemuffins says:

        I also noticed the dark aura. I have seen possession before. It was the first instinct I had as I watch the vid, even before I scrolled down and read more about it. Very potent evil presence in this video. Will not watch a second time, as I have only recently closed the door to attacks myself. N

      • Carey says:

        Exactly. I won't watch the video as I only learned to stop attacks on myself a few years ago, and it took a long time to become successful at it. Even watching something like this would open the door again in my belief. Also my children are in the house, and every time I spend much time investigating the paranormal, they start having nightmares, even though I don't mention a single thing I've read to them, of course. It's like the energy seeps through the atmosphere. So, I'm glad there's someone like me. =)

    • Mellow says:

      This is creepy. In the surveillance video she looked like she was looking out if someone was out there like following her omg creepy. Someone killed her how come they didn't say it was a homicide .

      • sittingcoffin says:

        But she also indicated with her body language that she was happy about it.

      • bluebell says:

        Obviously someone who worked at the hotel got her. They had the key to get on the roof, they knew how to disable the alarm and the elevators. If the hotel had a history of weird satanic activity you might want to look at who runs the hotel. hotels are weird places. Think of the Overlook. Also I would be interested to know who her family is, what she did for a living and why she was in LA so far from her home.

    • amir says:

      theres a similar case here in the philippines. a korean was also found in a condominium water tank. there was a cctv fottage of him running way in panic, there was no one chasing him.
      http://globalnation.inquirer.net/70867/koreans-de

    • hvns says:

      Good for you Noah. As for me this story is quite as unnerving as our dark corner of universe called earth. The harsh reality is our world does not consist of seas lands and wildlife but rather of spirits curses possessions strange influence terrible truths no one wants to hear and ultimate power of God which protects us.
      This story does not seam mysterious for me. Gruesome, yes. Mysterious no. If you would know what people hear and see and going through in some particularly dark spots on face of the earth ( North East Siberia included ) that would raise even more questions. Which are really easy to answer..

      • John says:

        You are so right regarding hotels. You might go to a good hotel and women disappear with hotel staff or they are not protected. In other cases the spare keys disappear from the reception and unknown to you people enter your room. Besides, it's a bad idea to leave any money in your hotel room or other personal items. The best is to be sobel if you have to stay in hotels and more than certainl vigilant.

      • amaryllis says:

        My trick is to leave the key in the lock on the other side – harder with card operated doors though there is always a way. Don't leave home without some Holy protection either – I have a tiny, tiny book thing and also an engraved bracelet.

    • EyesOpen says:

      I have never seen something on this site and wish I hadn't…I tried to SEE something but all I saw were shadows with nothing creating them and a horrible feeling…and theres a moment you see her face…it seemed…dark. G*d help us

    • PavlovsBitch says:

      Seems to me that given the murders mentioned on floors 7, 8, 9, this girl reached the 'heights' as Cecil has 15 floors, so could be that each had been used for this purpose. It's got to be the owners/management and how many more unknowns unreported have met a similar fate? The poor are easy pickings.

    • Meeeee says:

      Possession is a motherfuc*er!

    • Meeeee says:

      If you look in the doorway after she enters, and be sure to look closely, there is a change in the atmosphere and you can CLEARLY see some entity come into the doorway. Somehow the camera has picked this up well. The hair on my arm stood up when I caught it! It most definitely entered her body right before our eyes! She felt it around her but couldn't quite see it so she jumped out with her feet to see if it was there… She also hid from it! I believe a leigion of demons played a role! The elevator was being controlled before she got inside! That building holds a portal that someone put there. All of those who dwell inside and come and go probably have all sorts of demonic entities surrounding them. She unfortunately was an open vessel in a dark place for this demon to have the perfect opportunity to possess then lead her to death.

    • Sharon says:

      Same here Noah, my heart is thundering. Incredibly unsettling.

    • goolia says:

      its absolutely terrifying

    • look-aflor says:

      maybe its someone who resides in the hotel whos been doing these types of things for the longest, knows the history of the building the ins and outs and the reason why its famous, things like this tend to attract more people to the location, def…murder, im sure had it been suicide somebody would've found her clothes by the tank since she was naked..or the person or persons involved took it with them…interesting and disturbing…its also probably someone who wanted to become a big hollywood star and never took to fame for lack of talent…they made this hotel their permanent home…and get their kicks doing sick shit like this..i guess as a way to get back at society for thier incompatence…people go ballistic for the most disturbing reasons…and its not the first time that l.a.p.d is questioned for their lack of professionlism…go figure…this is just one story in which they lack the need to their job…theres a number of movies based on real stories, no wonder even the dead bodies of eels floated on shore this week…its coming fast…

    • Jay says:

      Why does the decor changes outside the elevator at last few seconds of the video!!!!?

    • Reizche says:

      Everybody is talking about her as "hiding from something" and "scared of something."

      People who freak out won't press the buttons in order!
      It's a psychological disorder.

      • Nicolynn says:

        Exactly! She did NOT look scared. She looked like she was having fun, the problem is, it was creepy fun. Like she had the mindset of a child and was playing hide and seek with friends.

        The way she played with the elevator buttons, (after pressing the buttons, the door moves a little then retracts and stays open… someone else was controlling the elevator), then kept stepping in and out of the elevator anxiously waiting for her "friend" to find her, returning to press the buttons, and stepping out again, not even waiting for the doors to close… it could be a mental disorder. She COULD have an imaginary friend or spirit that she was playing with.

        If she was scared, she wouldn't have acted like that, she would've pushed 1 button, waited for the door to close, it didn't so she'd run and take the stairs.

        The way she took her steps like a malfunctioning robot is what scared me most, some steps were erratic and others were in perfect form… she seemed bored and excited at the same time. Possession is possible but whatever was going on, she wasn't fighting it. She was embracing it. Like she was in a daze.

        I, personally, don't believe it was her first wig out. If possession, it wasn't her first time and I think the atmosphere of the hotel mixed with her past attacks meshed into each other.

      • Linc says:

        I completely agree, she looked as though she was having fun. I do believe it was possession though. She talked to something before leaving. I believe that something led her to the rooftop. Funny how after she talked to that something she left and all of a sudden the elevator worked perfectly fine. Its horrifying how her death and discovery of her body came about.

    • UhOh says:

      yo obviously havnt read about the DIA then…

    • FromVancouver says:

      Jesus, super creepy, I actually knew this girl too, she was friends with one of the teachers assistants at my school and I used to cut class to hang out with her in the hallway. She seemed normal…so weird

      • amaryllis says:

        Well, if you knew her, maybe, y'know, she was and your judgement is more reliable than online speculation

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Anybody care to guess why and how Google News search only returns one news result for "Elisa Lam" search term?

      • D D d says:

        Is it looking in its own newsfeed instead of global? Maybe there is a default to 'protect' you from exploring ..

    • gabrial says:

      i agree i researched it and it turns out that this was all based on a movie made before this all happened and this really freaks me out cas it happened on my birthday. this was a heart breaking feat and the movie had a remake and the daughters name was ceci coincidence i think not.

    • Big Al says:

      I know who committed this crime. He was recently found to be the responsible party involving a similar death at the Biltmore Hotel in the same neighborhood. the victims family sued the hotel and a civil suit revealed that the guilty man is named Arthur Smith. This is his m.o. There are 2 other dead women in Atlanta in a hotel that he worked at as director of security, just as he had at the Biltmore. The victim from the Biltmore name was Laura Finley. look it up.

    • Chris says:

      We have an elevator that does that too at my workplace (I work the night shift). It does not scare me because my mind is all about work. Watching this video however gives me a frightening perspective.

    • Kster says:

      Did anyone notice that the last time the elevator door opens there is something red outside of the windows? It is just dark out all of the other times the door opens and closes.

    • Zoe says:

      Alright guys, I've came out with a logical conclusion. No demonic possession or whatsoever, let's hope this might be the reason of the weirdness of this case. What I think was, she might be talking to someone in the hallway(possibly the killer) before she enters the lift. The killer might be trying to talk to her and preventing her from entering the lift. She left anyway and decided to enter the lift to get away from this person. Perhaps she didn't expect it to be that serious, so she didn't press the first floor button to escape because she didn't thought of the killer as a big threat to her yet. She did have some awareness of the situation and decided to press three buttons down or up I'm not so sure, to confuse the killer and get away from her. The thing is, the killer was fast and stood outside the lift and pressed the button to prevent the lift from closing. She then looks around as if expecting the killer to enter the lift and attack her. But this killer is smart enough to not show him or herself infront of the lift because he/she knows there is a camera there. She decided to get out in frustration and reason with the killer who is at the side. She probably is someone who uses a lot of hand gestures when talking as even I do it sometimes. You may find it weird the way she steps back in the elevator in order playfully but it's probably because she just didn't want to turn her back and go back into the lift because at this time she already feels the danger and gets suspicious of the killer. She is aware she's in danger. So she steps back in facing forward. She gets out again because she knows there's no way the killer will let go of the button. She puts her hands up on her head due to frustration and decides to leave by using the stairs. The killer sees this and let go of the lift button and waits for the lift to close before following her through the stairs, kill her and drag her up to the water tank. This killer must have been someone working in the hotel because he or she seems to know the security cameras around well and managed to get the keys to access to the water tank. Either that, it's not a staff but he managed to work with a staff to get the keys(possibly a bribe?). The lift door then closes after the killer released the button me opens on another floor, a floor that Elisa has pressed previously as per normal. I think the lift is not malfunctioning. There is someone out there beside her. This case needs to be solved. She doesn't derserve to die like this, there must be justice. I hope the police can work this out and capture the killer asap.

    • evans thiongo says:

      This gal was simply murdered and her body dumped into the tank. There's no way she would have accessed that area on her own. So people start using your heads and stop reading occult in every story you see.

    • bonnie says:

      She doesn't appear to be in any distress what so ever. If I were in the danger or predicament she supposedly was in, I would have been in a state of hysteria. Panic would have overcome me. Yet we
      don't feel that panic from her. She seems to be in control.

    • Amy says:

      i agree!

    • elise says:

      The elevator is being controlled by someone not a ghost. I believe she is not a bipolar. I am Asian, and I am certain that most Asian girls do that hand gestures when being terrified or being scared. After knowing that the elevator is not working , She instead took the stairs and unfortunately the killer followed her after controlling the elevator and did the killing. who might be the killer? Maybe someone she knows? or just a stranger .

    • dfsdb says:

      ANYONE NOTICE in the elevator video how outside it was black and then the last time the door opened it was all red outside!??? WTF????

    • Lanier Burrows says:

      I agree

    • Andrew says:

      Who wants to go stay at the cecil?

    • susan says:

      How does a student from Vancouver end up in a place like that in the first place?
      Drugs- reportly not! Prostitution- no prior history.Thats a big leap from Vancouver student to the sleazy LA Hotel. Didnt they retrace her steps the night of the murder, especially after her behavior in the elevator .Yeah whatever evil bastards.

    • mike D says:

      Supposedly a physic said a man working at the hotel described as big, not to bright and mingled with prostitutes was under the control of a dark entity who controlled his actions and killed the girl …he had keys to the water tower , etc. The physic he may not even know he killed her.

    • TommyLikey says:

      as i said:

      the elevator thing is the strangest — anyone in or near LA that can investigate? Has anyone ever answered questions about why the elevator operates so strangely? The way the doors open and close at the end is truly bizarre.

    • kat campbell says:

      It's possible the elevator not working is related if it's an employee? What's with all the fog in the elevator then?

    • LogicSpirit says:

      Here's what i think happened:

      In the video, she is clearly High. Not necessarily on her own accord, someone probably drugged her. But anyone who's ever done acid or shrooms knows that she is acting high, like on some hallucinogen. For example, she gets on the elevator and she ducks down and gets really close to the numbers in order to see them. That is what you do when you are on acid, because the world is spinning and the walls are melting and you can't see anything clearly unless you get really close and focus… So she's high, and she's hiding from the person who most likely drugged her, and the elevator door won't close because that person is standing outside, pressing the buttons so the elevator won't close… The killer knows that there are cameras in the elevator so he won't get in… When she gets out of the elevator and starts making those funny hand signals, she is trying to tell him to go away, or to leave her alone, but her hand signals appear strange because she is so high and confused. The killer stops pressing the buttons and lets the elevator close. Then he either snatches her or coaxes her to come along with him. When the elevator opens again, it is on a different floor, we know this because the walls are a different color.

      What I want to know is, what floor did this footage happen on? The killer was probably staying on this floor…
      As for all the articles saying she was probably not on drugs, they said the toxicology tests would come back in eight weeks, and then no further updates were posted.

      • J-Bez says:

        I agree with this. LSD dosages are incredibly small ( smaller than ANY other drug ) so isn't it possible that after marinating for two weeks in a water tank the drug would no longer be detectable?

    • J-Bez says:

      She is acting like she is on LSD and considering how small of a dosage is required couldn't it be possible that it wouldn't show up in the autopsy?

    • Malcolm says:

      I don't know if it's just me but at one point it looked like she was inviting someone/ something into the elevator by her hand movements

    • Winston says:

      Could these be MKULTRA guinea pigs and this hotel is used for this purpose to instill fear in the masses in a supernatural hoax? Everything we do matters and suits someone's agenda.

    • waybefore says:

      Just happened to land in this webpage.
      Its difficult for me to even say this, but I try to do my best and i got to put this somewhere. This page is related to the case. Maybe she was dreaming. I shared that dream way before it happened. September 14, 2011, to be exact. Yes I know its weird and not something I wanted to see, in any way.

      I feel so sorry for everyone close to her.. Its horrible. Such a lost. I wish I could have inerviened at any level. I knew this dream was somewhere near opera houses in LA, with a tank in a rooftop, because I recognised the tall buildings that can be seen in horizon from the roof. But pinpointing origin of location for something that is so faraway is impossible with google earth. God, I tried. I really did spend time to find the location. Felt really silly doing that based on a dream of course, searching location for "dream".
      I saw: the shilouette of tall houses in the horizon. Symphony orchestas playing and i enjoyed to hear those both (two orcehtras), Nokia was somehow involved in one of those with banderolls, japan fishes were swiming in a tank, swimming with me, i wanted to dive, and i did. I swim with them. I was really happy. So much bubbles. Big blue curtain eventually fell on top of me.
      Its so hard for me even to write this.. I could not do anything, without any real location, or info, when there is nothing to report to anyone. No news no nothing back then, i searched for years- now and then – anything remotely related…When i found this I was..I was sad. Its too accurate. I wish I didnt.
      Maybe this has nothing to do with any of this anyhow, just something i saw earlier and waked up 5 am shaking to write it down. I just needed to put this somewhere. This changes nothing.
      I am just so sorry.

    • karen says:

      Well i agree there is some foul play involved here and the hotel history is creepy but after watching the video a few times where i was initially spooked now i think she was trying to get the door shut and after trying buttons she was thinking maybe there was a sensor somewhere and was acting strangely trying to set it off in a goofy 21 yeat old way after that itdoes look like she was talking to someone but it looks to me as though she was numbering off all she had tried to shut the door im not saying im right lm just saying this may not be what it appears at first glance given the history of the building a supernaturel explaination is plausable nust not the only one.

    • RCA says:

      I realize this reply is a nearly year too late, but just as an FYI: ELISA stands for "enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay". It is a common medical test, used for detecting antibodies for everything from AIDS, to Lyme disease to a variety of allergies, in addition to TB.

      Sometimes a coincidence is just that — a coincidence.

  2. Netti says:

    its clearly ritual murder. God save us all from this evil.

    • panda says:

      Her behavior clearly shows that she is being watched or at the very least, she is acting in a way that implies she has an audience.

      This makes me think in terms of ritualistic activity as well.

    • Lynn says:

      And God let her rest in peace :(

    • Toomanycoincidences says:

      Anyone saying 'just coincidences' and 'homo sapien have a tendency to see patterns' need to rethink their thinking. Such arguments don't explain anything. It only gives you a possible explanation when nothing seems to make sense. The fact that this instinct has always been so vital to our survival only means you need to respect it.

      On another note, your upvotes count is now 66.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Some people were born to be coincidence theorists.

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        The reason that we see patterns everywhere is because the entire universe is made up entirely of formulas. Nothing happen for no reason and nothing is coincidence. Which is what is so scary about this. Someone or something was stalking this poor girl and it's pattern is that of a ritual.

    • SearchingSheep says:

      Clearly…the fact that the kit used is EXACTLY Lam's name backwards! There's now way out of millions of people in the world, Lam died the way she did and in the same area where the kit was used. I've read (mostly with the help of this site) that satanic acts act involved backwards and reversed words and imagery; this is a reason why most music nowadays that are played backwards contain satanic concepts.

      Thanks again VC! you confirm alot of truths that are claimed to be "conspiracy theories"..im not conspiracy theorists im a truth seeker :))

      • amaryllis says:

        Yes but I bet if the identity of her parents was revealed, her name would not seem like so much of a coincidence after all. I'm afraid it is too obvious to be a coincidence and she might have been raised for the role of ritual sacrifice.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        But how old is that test, though? It would have to date back at least 21 years if thats her birth name.

        Fun info about TB: "The World Health Organization, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and US government are subsidizing a new fast-acting diagnostic test for use in low- and middle-income countries. This will reduce the cost from $16.86 to $9.98. Additionally the test can determine if there is resistance to the antibiotic rifampicin which may indicate multi-drug resistant tuberculosis and is accurate in those who are co-infected with HIV. Many resource-poor places as of 2011 still only have access to sputum microscopy."

      • amaryllis says:

        Remember Pres.d O and the three birth certificates?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Our current President? I have trouble concentrating on that whole BC mess, and most stuff concerning him.

    • Jay says:

      God clearly has little to nothing to do with it….

    • Andreas says:

      Stop crying to god for help. Grab your balls, and do something. Fight the evil.

    • Jim K. says:

      Elisa means 'Consecrated to God'.

      Just whose 'God' I wonder.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Because of all the coincidences with the hotel shape and multiple breakdowns of her own name and initials, I would say the god El.

      • Truth says:

        Interesting this ritual drowning sacrifice of an Elisa/Elizabeth happened almost exactly one year after the ritual drowning of Whitney Elizabeth Houston who supposedly drowned in a tub on Feb. 11, 2012…
        ALSO, at a hotel.

        also…
        "Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband, on October 12, 1962. Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly."

        Pauline Otton 27………. 2 + 7 = 9
        George Gianinni 65….. 6 + 5 = 11

    • D D d says:

      Have you shared that oneliner on your facebook yet?

    • J Money says:

      Jewish ritual murder I assume?

    • MistaX says:

      I've been gang stalked for over 6 years by the feds and this appears as she was going through the same thing afraid from hearing electronic telepathy and your right she was most likely a distant cousin of the Li family whose some of the founders. I see a lot of madness coming from Los Angeles after hearing other victims stories and knowing Hollywood is filled with dumb asses in the illuminati cults who want to be gods.

    • Concerned Stranger says:

      It seems to me she either sees entities or hear something that possess her to do this as this is bizzare! This is not accidental IMO unless she had mental ilnness. Otherwise, there is some sort of dark arts used against her that caused her death.

    • whoAMi says:

      I was being a tab bit curious so i decided to spell the name of the test kit used named LAM-ELISA. Spell it backwards it spells ASILE MAL which is French for asylum evil. So her name is backwards so flip it back wards and it is Evil Asylum.

    • Ian says:

      CLEARLY? Authorities and investigators are baffled but apparently Netti has it all figured out.

    • kizx says:

      WHAT FLOOR was this footage taken on? the top floor? her own floor? what is weirdest is how the elevator would NOT close. someone had to be holding it. her gesturing outside in the hallway could have been at an assailant. while inside the compartment she attempted to hide and flatten herself up against the corner.
      what are the chances that she just stumbled onto the roof and into a SECURED, locked water tank? NIL.
      No one followed up with the parents. that is strangest of all.
      someone employed by the hotel itself did this? look at the illuminati dates of some of the other incidents-
      10/22
      2/11 etc
      brainstorming- is this place connected to occult activity? Mason ownership or like Laurel Canyon (Manson) with CIA MK Ultra ?
      Documentary on the Cecil would be quite fascinating

    • Gladeye says:

      It's not clearly that at all. You have some imagination.

  3. Dystopian says:

    i definitely won't be sleeping tonight…

    • Victoria says:

      I know, right?!?! I am disturbed on so many levels right now. I think seeing the video was just……flat out scary!! How can something like this happen and NO ONE pushes for justice?!

    • hvns says:

      Dystopian and Victoria
      While i am having hard feelings from many stories similar to above mentioned your sincere response make me scratch my head in totally perplexed state of mind.
      Hey have you never known that we have a priority to live in deeply spiritual world?
      Did you notice that being embarrassed and engulfed with fears or anger wont help anyone?
      Are we not chosen to have protection from above against powers beyond our control or understanding?

      As for justice.. Are we on the last judgement yet? Then.. Well you know how system works. Even ugly perverts with some money and no secret societies connections often get away with their deeds… With connections it is even more horrific…
      And for me it looks that in this particular case we will never learn the truth. If she was killed by humans or else ..If this person had ever had any serious bouts with occult trying to invoke something it can backfire in exact same way as it look on video. No I would not go on guessing. One I know for sure – we are all here for a reason. The mighty hand of the Lord is more than able to lead us to guard us from evil to show the most superior level of knowledge. No questions will be unanswered for long. Reality is much more simple than it seems. Instead of stirring things up in my mind and heart I would rather rest all disturbing troubles in Him. He will reveal.

    • Yaz says:

      I'm surprised how everyone has failed to see the probably most creepy part of the entire video!!!

      3:23: the elevator door closes (and seems to work fine)
      3:43: the elevator opens on a DIFFERENT FLOOR!!!, the wallpaper is different!

      It seems like "something" in the elevator perhaps went UP a few floors, to possibly complete the sacrifice!!
      Notice that it took almost 20 seconds, which means that the elevator either went far down or far up. It most probably is far up. I bet that if the elevator had gone down it would be at the reception floor – not likely after an incident like that. It was going UP!

      And also, no one had pressed the elevator button, since no person was present on the other floor. That means that something inside the elevator pressed on something, perhaps what floor "something" wanted to get to.

      Is it just me or is there a dark entity in the center of the entire video??

      • Dystopian says:

        Seriously Yaz, when I watched the video it was midnight and I pretty much stopped watching right after she starting doing that weird stuff, it scared the absolute crap out of me. I didn't go to sleep until 3am and I slept with the light on.

        BUT I did notice that there was like a blurry spot right in the centre of the elevator, so I might have to rewatch it tomorrow when the sun is up…

      • Andrew says:

        I slept better than ever though, 9-10 hours without dreams. Feel sorry for the young girl. Hopefuly she's in a bteer place.

      • Andrew says:

        better place

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        Oh my – dude – when that door opened again, I don't know if it was the angle of my computer screen but, it looked like that scene out of the Shining with the Elevator/River of Blood. For a second I really thought that it was coming towards the elevator. This scared the hell out of me, but my mind was just playing tricks. That hotel seems to have it's own life source, and not a pleasant one at that.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        There is approximately a minute of cut footage and some footage has been slowed. She was already on the 14th floor (13th in reality) and the hotel has 15 floors. A ton of different stuff could have happened in that minute, and why was stuff slowed down, anyway?

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        Why did they do that? I have seen the 'original' footage (it's available to youtube) minus the minute that has been cut. My money is on that you probably see the perpetrator. But it makes no sense to slow it down – it's just as creepy at normal speed. How do you know that she was on the 14th (13th) floor at the time?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I don't even know who they might be, so why is not something Id be able to answer either.

        I know because I saw pictures of the hotels elevator button thing – the buttons she was pressing, one of them was "14" but it never lit up. Indicates that she was in fact on the 14th floor. Could be that the light was just out on that floor and wouldn't light up, though. She is rumored to have had been staying on floor 4.

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        Well played!
        So it begs the question – what was she doing on the 14th floor? I guess we'll never know!

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Many good theories. I posted a very interesting link on page 7 of the comments if sorted by date. Not only is the video sliced and diced, but frames are duplicated in specific spots.

      • Elizabeth says:

        It opened on another floor because she pushed all the buttons.

      • Fragile says:

        not 100% on this, but I am pretty sure a dark entity would not need to use an elevator, it was probably moving because Ms Lam pressed all the buttons before she ran off to do whatever..

      • AlphaKid says:

        Its a different floor thats why..elevators move up and down i dont know if you know that

    • MistaX says:

      There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Don't be scared of these punks in pumps at the Bilderberg Group there days are numbered.

    • Gustavo says:

      Fear only the Only True God

    • meghanmckinney says:

      I just got up and turned on lights….too freaky in the dark on my own!

  4. Kathleen says:

    Habitual, grave sin opens one to the influence of the demonic.

    The influence of the demonic is not limited to green pea soup spitting full possession. There are various degrees and types of diabolical influence.

    Influence or infestation of these various types can impact entire families, over multiple generations, or buildings.

    • Desarae says:

      um totally with you on this…. Of course, when you talk about possession people think you're bat shit crazy but just look at this. Just got off the phone with my husband and he started saying "I read the article and I'm freaked out I don't want to watch the video" I just keep saying something is horribly wrong!

    • amaryllis says:

      Listen to Kathleen people, rather than cowering in fear.

    • BluBoy says:

      I agree with you Kathleen, Demonic influence doesn't just come like that, it has to be invited, in some shape or form. (no pun intended)

      • fatcheek says:

        go to Emmanuel tv on YouTube for more on this type of incident… be warned though you had better be prayed up and your life right before you do so if your not those entities can and will enter you through the doorway that is opened up by fear….remember God said in his word that he has not given us a spirit of fear but of love so any time fear comes with anything you know that it is not from the Lord.

      • ferREAL? says:

        "any time fear comes with anything you know that it is not from the Lord"

        Then most organized religion today must not be from the Lord

      • amaryllis says:

        Most people in Western society today are Luciferian in my opinion. I don't see them as being non-believing or unsure or adopting Eastern spiritualism. A friend might email me to say 'I had a dream last night and x,y,z happened as though it were completely real – I don't even know about/care to know about the stuff you know about'. I say to them that just like the slumbering majority, they are playing ball with the devil in their ordinary, every day, intelligent, cultured, lifestyles involving, in an average year, a few episodes of recreational drug taking, a few sexual liaisons, lots of film/music/culture. Sound like anyone you know? (like.er…..everyone). That life is NOT good enough to save your souls and the devil will toy with you until one day, you get thrown the curveball you could never see coming.

      • Gladys says:

        God is love and love is difficult to achieve. We are all for the easy ride that's why we can't reach God. Easy peasy to be a luciferian, enormous task ahead to be a Godly person.

      • hvns says:

        Dear amaryllis,
        ~ Sound like anyone you know? (like.er…..everyone). ~ Someone I definitely know. But not everyone far from it. Do not ever again go to that extent. Please! Plenty of us get our facts straight sooner or later..

      • amaryllis says:

        Well, maybe not everyone hvns but def most of them … cd just be the people I know form an abnormal sample?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        You can invite it simply by watching violent/scary movies over and over again, letting your immune system weaken, playing violent video games, etc. Not exactly direct invitations.

      • Gladys says:

        good point, that's why I only watch comedies.

      • D D d says:

        Comedies might have the same effect, Gladys. And the extra twist can be as easily put in comedy as in drama, as the programming still reaches effect. The situations in a comedy are just as easy tot copy for the public. Even the stupidity, as it is funny to copy, it seems. And, especially television sit-coms. Ever wondered why there is some much product placement for example? Because it works.
        I like comedy as well, but it is not only content-less fun.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Programming is programming. None of its good (though its not to say I manage to stay away from most of it).

      • Ms. Adventure says:

        Yes, but if you are aware of this and recognize it for what it is, you can look at it more objectively without falling prey to it and without it destroying your psyche.

      • Reality says:

        Hate to break it to you, DDd is right… Comedies do in fact have the same influences on the mind that scary/violence/dramatic movies,shows and games have. Being happy effects your mind as being angry or being sad does. This is a HUGE misconception among the popular that being "happy" and "positive" is always a "good" thing… It's not always a "good" thing. It deludes you from reality just like being angry or sad does. Thus, letting your guard down. You only watch comedies cause it feels good. These shows, games and movies are drugs that you do not physically inject or intake into your physical body.

      • Reality says:

        You need to have to have a direct invite… And it's not just violent or scary movies that can incline someone to actually lead to a direct invite – this can also be with comedies or good feeling movies/shows/games. You're letting your guard down when you're happy. There's a misconception that being "happy" is "all good"… There's a good proverb out there – "don't make choices when you're happy, angry or sad". Happy is just an emotion just like being angry and being sad is and being happy deludes your reality just like being angry or sad does.

        The media plays a huge role in swaying people's mindsets and letting their guard down. And now with the internet and smart phones, it's just getting worse day by day. If God and the devil does exist, I would say… the devil is winning.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Don't not agree with your first premise, at all.

        If emotions delude your reality, then how is one to feel to be able to experience their own reality?

      • D D d says:

        When people watch tv or a movie, i think, it is most of the time not a moment for selfreflection, sc. But when one watches tv, it might be a good thing to be in touch with yourself.. as always. It is full of triggers in all spectra of emotions. The strong ones are obvious, but it is everywhere.
        But i do like a well written comedy. And there might be a lot of spoof, parodie, confronting in it as well. When i mention for example American Dad, a lot of folks don't get my point of view, so i like to thow in Dennis Potter as well.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Whoops, typo. My comment should have read "do not agree" not dont not. Thats a really big difference lol.

      • D D d says:

        You are a master of reversal now. The dislexic part of me probably got it at the first attempt, ha.

      • C0ckles says:

        I remember reading the creator of the Web bot project never watches scary/horror movies due to his belief in the collective conscious.

        He may have a point as this is at the very heart of dark Invocations, spells and symbols in the various media forms. They hope that it will be picked up by the sub conscious then enacted by 'sensitives' or as with direct programming their MK slaves.

        This is the belief that our thoughts create our reality ( then given extra power/emphasis from the emotions)

        Sometimes the results are subtle such as passing cultural trends i.e. particular fashion styles or slang words other times drastic…… perhaps this case is one example .

        Whatever the truth 'accident' just doesn't make sense .

        May she rest in peace

      • max says:

        fucking lol!! so many tards these days

      • Dante the Wind says:

        There is no evidence to prove that the things you named "weaken the immune system". I'm a human biology/Psychology major and I don't understand why anyone isn't the least bit skeptical about what could've happened to Elisa. There are many factors to consider. For one, what is her medical history? She must've had something more severe than bipolarity and it must've gone undiagnosed. Also, alarm systems and doors are known to malfunction. And how could there only be one witness stepping forward? Somebody else has to have known about this…and the fact that nobody stepped forward makes me believe she wasn't alone that night. This is possible because we see her 'hiding' in the elevator. For all we know, something – an unnerving incident, could have set her off in a hallucinatory or delusional state, and something could've snapped in her head. As for the location being at Cecil Hotel, this could be another coincidence. The last suicides were from decades back! People commit suicide at hotels all the time. Relating this to a horror movie that happens to have the same plot – be it a generic one, does not increase evidence of supernatural phenomenon. Seriously, where's the Sherlock Holmes in you people? You all sound like you live in the Middle Ages.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Lets go over a few things. Your reading comprehension skills are not quite up to par, for the way I wrote my sentence did not indicate that the things I named weaken the immune system. Typical college candidate. If one lets their immune system weaken (poor diet, overly stressed, lack of essential vitamins + minerals, etc), they are more likely to become sick on multiple levels. Is that true? WHO KNOWS. Ive found it to be true for me. You think the things you learn in college are the only truths in the world? Hah. Hahahahahahahha. Good luck with your status quo, government mandated education and your "facts". Facts can easily be manipulated. The truth is far more wiggly than a bunch of strung together facts.

        Nothing like a college educated twit thumbing his nose at others. Heres to hoping one day you rinse the college out of your brain and open your eyes. Cheers from the former Literature/Philosophy major.

      • Caprece says:

        Amen……for the knowledge of this demonic demonized world makes one boastful, proud, arrogant, and ignorant. That's what eduction in the western world does to know it alls. This world cover so called sickness up with technical names and more sorcery (meds). We haven't seen nothing else! It's going to get worst!

        But, I'm just a dimwitted person and don't know nothing at all.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I know less and less every day. Eventually knowing completely nothing is one of my major life goals.

      • tat88 says:

        that's funny because i'm pretty sure I lost some brain cells reading these responses.

      • Liz says:

        Letting your immune system weaken is a sin?!
        I'm sure Jesus got exhausted healing and preaching and His immune system got run down and HE never sinned.
        How utterly silly and non Theologically based.
        Do you make this stuff up as you go along?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Your comment – hilarious. I needed that.

        Surprise: EVERYTHING IS IMAGINARY. Everythings been "made up," especially theology. Have fun with your short mortal stint.

      • C. Tilley says:

        I once had someone say to me "Do you know what entertainment stands for?" I said "No" knowing he was coming at if from more that just the general definition standpoint. He said "to enter and obtain you." Think about it.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        omg creepy. I get it.

      • Eliyah says:

        Not really, it can be put upon you as well. Reference: the temptation of Job and his daughters.

        But in most cases, you do something that gives diabolos the legal authority to enter.

    • T Mann says:

      I'm not sure if this was the intention but I think it's a little dangerous to imply that this victim somehow invited murder through "habitual, grave sin." We know nothing about this young person but we do have substantial evidence that there is a dangerous, highly organized criminal cult/mafia that is committing atrocities in Los Angeles and elsewhere. Instead of attempting to explain this case in terms of demonic possession, brought on by the "sinfulness" of individuals or the population at large, I think it's important to consider other questions more of this world such as: was this individual involved in mind control programming by criminal "handlers" associated with this well-protected cult? Are the CIA-developed techniques of MK programming responsible for the strange, seemingly drugged behavior she displayed prior to her death? I'm not denying the spiritual dimension to these ritualistic murders, I just think it's important to recognize that behind these crimes are real perpetrators who are quite likely human. If we lose sight of that and simply chalk all this up to the appropriate but tremendously broad and vague concept of "evil" we have no starting point for pursuing real justice.

      • Terry says:

        That's right, I was thinking along those exact lines…

      • aggelos says:

        It was a spiritual attack as all attacks are that come from these organizations that the VC is uncovering. The humans that sometimes participate still work for the same dark forces under the influence of satan. There is no third party. Jesus defeated these forces on the Cross. We leave ourselves vulnerable when we don't place ourselves under His covering. The enemy is out to kill,steal and destroy by any means. he also flees at the sound of Jesus name because His Perfect Love casts out fear! :)

      • Meeee says:

        you got it! … Submerging into water is a ritual to bastardize the holy baptism… Falling from a rooftop is the mockery of Satan falling from the heavens. See Satan wants to provoke God by hurting what he loves most. He destroys us in a way that is calculated. This is what burning children at bohemian grove is about. Since he'll awaits many angels and humans fire sacrifice is a small copy of that. It's pure evil. Satans has his way of letting us humans know HE IS HERE! Stay close to God and pay attention. He wants to be noticed! Most of you folk are in denial!! The supernatural explanations are actually more sensible than the natural explanations if u open ur mind.

      • Rissa says:

        I saw a documentary about secret societies and they showed footage from Bohemian Grove. It is so freaky!! can you believe that many of our presidents and leaders have been there? youtube it—> you can even hear the scary voice and see some of the fire sacrifice. I wish the police could regulate it better; Bohemian Grove is not in compliance with the wildfire laws of California, plus most of the members smoke cigars and marijuana outside in the forest.

      • D D d says:

        Wow, a real live Bohemian Witness…please tell all. Wait, i'll grab my herb first. ( I'm sorry, just kidding, Rissa.)

      • amaryllis says:

        Alex Jones?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        So….Gods just letting Satan piss him off for thousands of years? Using his most loved and precious of all creations, no less. I dont know, why would you worship someone that constantly tested and used you? Worship, of course, meaning "to work for". That God sounds more like Satan than Satan.

      • Sorotio says:

        That line of reasoning sounded so emotional. But you have to accept that we are not in control of our lives. Humans were given the capacity to think, the same capacity that was used to build civilizations. With the power of our minds, it is almost possible for us to manipulate everything. However, we can never manipulate how we are going to live our lives. Nature, for example, has its own way to mess with us. So-called "coincidences" can also mess us up. To say that humans are the supreme that they can be the gods of their own is bullsh*t.

      • The Exquisite Corpse says:

        Humans may not be supreme yet that does not mean anything really is. Shit happens, even without God or Cults, Satan or, get this, even People. Weird things happen, always have. In this case I firmly believe no one will ever fully understand what exactly happened.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I sound emotional? Anyhoo, we have seem the same patterns again and again with "built up" civilizations – primitive states leading to advanced culture leading to advanced technology….which is inevitably lost. Over and over again, this stuff is lost. Basically, it seems like there is a heavy investment in NEVER seeing humans truly remember or advance spiritually, almost like there is a forced amnesia about why we are really here and our true potentials.

        History repeating itself might be a cruel trick and not a relative fact, as it were. To state that humans cant be in ultimate control of their spiritual lives just because there are forces that may SEEM stronger than a human soul to you here is logically a pretty big fallacy.

      • T Mann says:

        I appreciate your take Aggelos and Meeee. I still feel it's important to not limit this discussion to solely spiritual terms. The tangible political reality of our country (and world) today is something that absolutely demands our attention and ACTION. To say that there is no third party–only satan posessing and controlling individuals' behavior–negates the moral (and legal) responsibility of those who perpetrate crimes. You mention Bohemian Grove which is a perfect case in point. The testimony of Paul Bonacci, an adult survivor of the elite's government-backed child sex trafficking network, reveals that so-called "snuff" films (filmed rape and murder) have been produced at the grove. Gatherings at this location are of course exclusively attended by the men who we ACCEPT as our leaders, both in business and politics. Now, we could reason that the grove is simply under satanic influence and anyone who sets foot there who is not of the Christian faith would automatically start partaking in these activities–or we could start to confront and grapple with the possibility that a vile criminal syndicate is violating every basic, universally understood ethical law and the only thing the public is doing is sitting at home praying and blogging.

        As stated before, I am not denying that there is a spiritual dimension to the crimes being committed. Rather I'm saying that the unwillingness to acknowledge the practical dimension of the situation is a potentially dangerous handicap to we who hope to change this. Pitting the concepts of "supernatural" (spiritual) and "natural" (tangible, concrete, of this world) against each other creates (yet another) false and unnecessary dychotomy. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive; in fact, taken together, they paint a clearer, more accurate picture of what is taking place.

        (For more info on the case that I'm referencing, check out the documentary Conspiracy of Silence; if you'd like to probe deeper, I recommend the book The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse and Betrayal by independent journalist Nick Bryant.)

      • ZJR says:

        T Mann, your comments are the most intelligent, insightful and truthful of all that I've read, here, and I thank you deeply for sharing such informed words.

        I work in the entertainment industry, and I've experienced, heard and fallen victim to many horrific things — things that were wholly orchestrated and carried out by corrupt, power-hungry and narcissistic humans, not "otherworldly entities". However, it is seemingly impossible to seek justice or expose the truth about what is actually occurring due, in large part, to the hyperbole and (in some cases) disinformation that is being spread by those who are focusing on some intangible, mythological and/or so-called "Satanic" aspect, alone.

        Mind control, covert influence, and organized crime are very real, as are the physical technologies and methods used by the people in positions of power, in this world.

        Unfortunately, every time that someone screams "demonic possession" when a person is abused, raped or murdered (especially in Hollywood, or by the elite), it makes it THAT much harder to actually expose the real perpetrators and to hold them accountable for their horrible crimes. Honestly; though I'm sure that many of the other commenters here have good intentions, they're actually making it much easier for the true perps to evade prosecution, because, sadly, it makes all those who attempt to speak out about the elite, powerful criminals sound mentally unstable or delusional.

        Now, I'm not saying that there may not also be unseen and etheric forces at work, in some of these crimes, but the focus really should be on the actual humans that are behind these terrible and unconscionable acts.

        (And, on a side note, I do wish that people would think much more carefully before publicly posting that Elisa Lam was not a good person, did not make good decisions, or that she somehow invited "demonic possession" or the like, as those are extremely cruel and totally unsubstantiated claims. To those who are making such assertions on this site, I ask you: How would you feel if one of your loved ones had tragically died, and complete strangers were posting such disturbing things about them, without knowing exactly what happened? Please, everyone — show a bit of discernment, humanity and compassion. Her loved ones have to deal with her loss every day, now, and saying such sick things about someone that you know nothing about does not benefit anything or anyone.)

        That said, my heart goes out to this poor young woman and her grieving family, and I thank Vigilant Citizen, as well, for covering this terribly tragic story and for seeking answers. I hope that, someday, the truth about what happened to her will be discovered, and that everyone who might have played a role in her death will be brought to justice.

      • esoteric says:

        To each of you I must offer applause for a dear kernal of truth lost to these exoterics. The evil of satan is played out here on the physical plane. You would not recognize its deepest magics because they seem completely ordinary to you.

      • sofaheart says:

        I feel what you're saying, and yet…the cult and evil people you describe perform supernatural rituals and have been doing so for hundreds of years. Why would they go to the trouble with all the symbols if it didn't work on some level. There's more going on than we can see with the naked eye, and the bad guys know it!

      • Ms. Adventure says:

        Agreed 100%. And if anything, the "demonically possessed" ones are the perpetrators who murder/molest/harm Elisa and countless other victims and then try to cover it up using smoke and mirrors and stories.

      • T Mann says:

        @ ZJR – Very well said. Thank you for providing such articulate and much needed context to this discussion, especially as one who knows firsthand what it is to navigate the entertainment industry. I'm truly surprised at the number of people who find it appropriate to respond to the death of a precious young life with wholly unwarranted and baseless judgment of the victim.

        Without going into detail, I'll say that through my work, I have come to know individuals who have been abused in these networks. I'm doing my best to assemble the scarce reliable data in conjunction with direct survivor testimony. If you have anything to share or would just like to connect, contact me at "EmailTMann (at) gmail (dot) com." Best wishes to you and thanks again for your input.

      • Meeee says:

        I totally agree! All that you've said is true. Let's not dismiss the fact that "people" are used for demonic spirits to dwell. Some folk are so obsessed with power and have spirits that live inside themselves that have manifested over a period of time due to constant sin that stems from a simple temptation. If one indulges in what starts off as temptation The spirit becomes weak which allows the perfect vessel for demonic possession. I'm saying that to explain the on going behavior and perverted nature void of conscious in these powerful people! They themselves are possessed and used to do Satans work all over the world! Remember the battle is not carnal but spiritual ALWAYS!

      • InTheShadows says:

        That was an elegant response, T Mann, and right on point. Please know there are others in the world who share your viewpoint.

      • gaybird says:

        What you're saying is true. The participation of real physical human beings is always required to perpetrate these pieces of black magic or demonic possession. To think it is simply disembodied demons or evil spirits who can do all this on their own is to buy the crap Hollywood is trying to brainwash people with in horror films. A crime like this is always the result of the choices made by all individuals involved. The Bible spells this out very clearly.

        Only an invitation is required on the part of any individual to let the forces of evil gain access, not exclusively "habitual, grave sin", although that is one avenue of access. There are a multitude of ways evil gains possession of a soul just as there are many ways to fight any war.

        The most interesting aspect of the film "The Exorcist" was how the demons gained access to the child. Through the neglect of her mother (who was too busy with herself to meet her child's needs) that led to the child seeking comfort from "Captain Howdy", an entity she contacts through playing with a Ouija board. It then possesses the priest by accessing his guilt over his neglect of his aging mother. That's the real message of the film – that we must search our hearts in order to seek out and change our behaviors that open the door to evil. That old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is true. None of us are immune to evil and that is due to the original sin of man turning from his Creator.

        I have more thoughts in particular about the most unfortunate Elisa Lam and I'll post below.

        God Bless.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Demons follow vampire rules?

      • gaybird says:

        Being coy is so charming. I think you know I'm referring to something deeper than "vampire rules". Evil is real and it's effecting all our lives.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Yes, the spiritual spectrum does affect all of our lives. Putting stock in manipulative fairy tales (like Original Sin) could also open yourself up to predictive programming and etheric energy looking for a quick fix. Hopefully you do not participate in black magic rituals such as "symbolically" drinking blood and eating flesh. I would consider that ritual akin to an invitation.

      • giveitarest says:

        *those who do believe in it*

      • Ms. Adventure says:

        THANK YOU. I couldn't agree more. Whether or not "demons" exist, the fact remains that people ALLOW evil to perpetuate by committing evil deeds — and then celebrating these deeds via film and 'entertainment.' In THIS case, the evil, possessed ones are the shady characters who killed this poor woman. (Or, depending on which story you believe, the ones who messed with her mind, driving her to kill herself.)
        It's a "chicken vs. egg" thing… does a hypothetical dark entity FORCE someone a person to commit evil, or does a person CHOOSE to act on the crazy thoughts/emotions springing from their mind? Assuming demons exist, don't we ALL still have the CHOICE to either succomb, overcome, or IGNORE?
        Sometimes I think all of this "demon" and "satan" speak is a smokescreen, a way to avoid the REAL problems that exist. Whether satan is a motivator or not, the REAL problem is the elite shadow organizations that commit evil repeatedly, ritually, and shamelessly while laughing behind our backs as we scramble aimlessly. Prayer and positive thinking may HELP on an ethereal level, but prayer alone is not going to STOP them on a physical level.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        The issue is the etheric that needs to feed off of our worship and misery that creates this power dynamic in the physical. If we could lighten that, we could lighten the physical in time.

      • T Mann says:

        @ Ms. Adventure – Precisely. It's important for us to take note of the fact that the psychopathic criminals who comprise the global elite are not saying their nightly prayers to Satan and then quietly and passively waiting for things to happen. VC presents a quite compelling case that they are indeed using a dark, morally bankrupt belief system to harness and direct their negative energies toward repulsive goals. But to give credit where it's due, they are decidedly a very ACTIVE lot. To date they have: established a global banking cartel which holds the power to financially decimate entire national governments; sponsored and facilitated a massive arms build-up in strategically important countries and assembled a global militray force at their dispsal, coordinated through the UN; outrightly co-opted the entire American media and fashioned it into an effective tool of mind control to repress, disorient and demoralize our people…and the list goes on and on.

        There would be no need for any of this if this were truly a battle being waged in the ethereal realm alone. They wouldn't waste their time and money on all this if that were the case. At some point, we have to start considering the possibility that the world is being shaped in the image of evil because 1) very bad people are consistently taking intentional, well organized action to MAKE evil things happen and b) good people are consistenlty NOT recognizing, claiming and USING our own God-given power to shape the world in the form of authentic love, justice and beauty. God did not grant us personal power and free will for us to sit on them while we await the second coming. We have these gifts because we are meant to use them. Especially now.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Who is to say that that's all the ethereal has inspired? You go over stuff like the Federal Reserve, but there is so much of history we do not know or that's been hidden. The etheric plane interacts with ours all the time, as something other than organic matter possesses our bodies and animates it, and HAS to go into a dream state to survive. These connections are vital; if the etheric realm has been tainted with negative anti matter since Earths (or the Universe's) creation, they are a tale as old as time, and their patterns should reveal themselves in every uptick and downfall of the civilizations that came before us. Every time a new hook is needed, it is provided. Now we have high ELF weapons, the government knows the exact frequency of every organ that operates in the human body (and chemical elements, obviously), our food is supply seems to equal a sneaky poison supply, our water is full of pharmaceuticals and fluoride (at least), our air is polluted, nothing seems safe. Who knows what weapons the Egyptians really had that were removed along with their other technology?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Now, it would make sense to for so-called superior humans to coopt the planet in this way if and only if you have a solution for you and your family – what kind of rotten future-topia are you creating that is polluted in every way possible in the future? An uninhabitable one? That doesn't make any sense. To the tribe (or tribes) that have devoted themselves to world domination since who knows when, it would speak to me that the end justifies the means, which is, to be quite honest, demented thinking. You start put with a bunch of leaders at the top of the knowledge pyramid (military industrial complex), and eventually you will end up at that "active lot" point we seem to be at. Who inspires this pyramid layout of power in the first place? Humans? Or were we "inspired" to keep that structure civilization after civilization?

      • D d d says:

        The demolishing of the buddha's (i think it was in the Iran-area) some years ago is an example of erasing part of history? Not even a need for e.t.'s of divine intervention, just explosives.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        History is erased all the time by merely giving the wrong info to the public…or leaving the unwanted parts out. I was referring mostly to lost technology – the Egyptians had tons of tech we lost, and whats to say of what the Lemurians or Atlanteans had? Some evidence of weather manipulation exists to this day. That sort of thing, the advanced tech that is constantly lost then found again, is too coincidental to be a coincidence. History shaping is one thing; lost technology is another.

      • D D d says:

        Like that one fossil-like machine that looks like a bunch of cogwheels that is found? Or the images of airplanes and such on centuries old paintings and cave drawings.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Stuff like that, yeah. The pyramids, Stonehenge, easter island – no one has been able to say why they really existed.

      • D D d says:

        Hm. How could i overlook the piramids and mention cave drawings as example !

      • Meeee says:

        people tamper in black magic and they thrive of its power and it makes them feel superior and very much in control. Man has always been easily persuaded by the thirst for power and recognition which Satan is more than thrilled because we have victory over the spirits and without our permission and cooroperation these demons have no power at all. He has used people to accomplish his goals and yes he has gotten so far the people themselves have lost touch with God almighty and sold themselves for things no matter who it hurts! Being threatened by removal of position and riches all those who play a specific role will carry out this scale of events and those who disobey will be tormented. In order to grasp what evil u see in humans you must begin with what is spiritual dwelling in a world we have yet to see! For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but powers and principalities in a dimension that's only accessed by those who have been chosen by the higher ups.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Or was there a death at all? I see proof of her social media sites going silent before her death, but other than that, I didnt see her body and neither did the rest of us.

        Her death preceded a supposed outbreak of TB amongst undesirables in the area. To me, there are just too many coincidences for this not to read as some sort of sacrifice or production starring an asian in an elevator and some suspect witnesses.

      • amaryllis says:

        There is something about her demeanor which mirrors the behavior of death row inmates in their final hour. To me, it suggests that she was actually aware that she was there to be ritualistically sacrificed at some point – the last, panicky moments before she resigns herself to her fate. Her gestures indicate that she was wondering who would be doing it and when and yes, she was possibly a bit disorientated because it is kinda major and she has probably used something to stop the jitters. I hope they would have checked death pact websites and such like.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        One body language analyst says she was free from fear, actually indicated sexually demonstrative behaviors and joy. Along with her introvert ticks which check out with all of her social media. Very astute.

      • Meeeee says:

        i believe Whitney submissively gave her life for ritual sacrifice. I have a friend who was above her hotel the night of her death! They said she was so sedated and dillusional. She was doing flips around the garden areas and in the late afternoon cursing and saying she was tired of this s*it!

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Needing to be sedated indicates submission?

      • Meeee says:

        Should I say a way to numb fear in that process.

      • D D d says:

        Somehow i find the story that she was warned, but did not know the complete picture more logic. The little note to Brandy, her last performance. The drug use is easy to manipulate, as dealers are always close. The quality could be mixed or much much stronger for w.h. unexpectedly and therefore influencing her behaviour and ''adrenaline'' fueled peaks. And even her death.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        No drug evidence in the room, but she died from a drug overdose, then no police investigation. You cannot die from the drug she supposedly was doing and NOT leave evidence unless there is tampering with evidence. For the police to not investigate that, that right there is a big red flag for me.

        She was in that hotel an odd length of time to be attending a party I think it was? Or an awards show, I forget. Maybe there were ritual things going on the entire week.

      • D D d says:

        The room was obviously cleared. Her entourage knew about her habits very well. And the police, well, they are not all so truthfull usually, nowadays, wherever, so especially in Glamourama.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Lets not forget the Egyptian sarcophagi at her funeral, if the videos I viewed were accurate

      • amaryllis says:

        Sitting – there was a death. I know.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        How?

      • motherearth says:

        Does Robert Conrad have anything to do with it. The richest actor in Hollywood, according to People Magazine, was there at the Hotel during the incident.

      • Sigh Ahp says:

        These are the kinds of questions that need asking. Who was there in the hotel that week? Who were the richest paying guests? Why hasn't her family spoken out? Where did she go to school? What were her interests? Many unanswered questions, but plenty of Hollywood and media directing us towards movies and vaccines as explanation….? Hmmmm…..

      • C0ckles says:

        I read on an old BBC news report that he gave this British couple who were staying there some money after he heard them interviewed about the case on Radio. Odd or what.

      • amaryllis says:

        Well, I read that within hours of the body being removed, new check-ins were made to sign disclaimers to waive their rights to compensation should they fall ill as a result of using the water.

      • Liberator says:

        here it is:
        Mrs Baugh said: "He drove to KFI Radio to give us $500."

        She added that, as well as Mr Conrad's donation, an anonymous woman paid for them to stay at Hollywood's Hilton Hotel for their last three nights, which was "an amazing experience".

        Talk about creepy…

      • C0ckles says:

        Thanks for clarifying Liberator

    • hvns says:

      Kathleen you are probably very wise and discerning person. God bless. Abundantly!

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Is that why churches are built mainly on ley lines?

    • Iam9 says:

      0:35 there it looks like she is fully controlled by someone else! Arthur Guirdham has from a psychiatrist's position written about a lot of so-called mental illnesses and its often more advanced causes than what the mainstream psychiatry is able to comprehend!

    • Jeff Morris says:

      Agreed!

    • Sydnee says:

      Agreed. Totally demonic in nature

    • Sydneen says:

      If people don't believe demons exist after this then wth??? Plain view. I mean the elevator starts working again cuz the demon went after the girl

    • Jack Frost says:

      Yeah. Cause that's a thing. So habitual small tiny sin is ok but grave sin is a problem? Oh im sorry was I the only one that bothered to cross reference the story? She had a history of bi-polar disorder and evidently she was off her meds. Due to the fact they didn't find them in her system. Oh yeah but it was the demons. Yeah…that's what it was.

      • misericordia says:

        yes because bi-polar disorder is solely responsible for making someone climb into a water tank, then close a massively heavy lid as they're grappling to swim in the water at the same time? Yeah.. that's what it was.

    • Aaron says:

      Well stated, Kathleen.

    • Winston says:

      Drug use is demonic slavery. Please help anyone you know on drugs. Get them into rehab. Talk to them but don't enable their delusion. I have a troubled child I have been trying to help for years to no avail yet. Don't give up. The alternative consequence for these unfortunate souls is too horrifying from an eternal standpoint. Don't let them slip away if you can help. God bless to all.

    • LUIS SOTO says:

      DIOS TE BENDIGA

  5. Elle Ibanez says:

    This article made me shiver!! Great write up!

    • tony says:

      did you really just say great right up? this isnt great at all…. a paranormal death and if u think i wrong there si no way a human could open the water tank… this isnt a great write up at all it's more of a sad and creepy… makes you think

  6. Patricia says:

    I don't know as I saw the elevator and the I sworn I saw the devil.if you look well and if you could see his horns inside the elevator its so weird that girl .something somebody possessed that girl's body.

    • dustie says:

      I agree with u. something evil possessed her

    • Sara says:

      i saw it too, i thought i was just scared but i really saw it omg…may God preserve us all from Evil!!

    • amaryllis says:

      That is not the devil, could be a demon though

    • dreyrose says:

      yeah saw the devil looking white mist or something… scary…

      • amaryllis says:

        Don't get too excited. There are armies of demons dealing with that kind of thing. If the devil turned up in person for every z lister event, he would have jacked in the job by the end of the week on stress related grounds!

      • Meeee says:

        Well the word of God says itself that he only comes to STEAL KILL DESTROY! the devil finished the job!

      • truthermedia says:

        Weird I noticed a kind of white mist thing as well over on the left side of the elevator around the second half of the video, thought I was seeing things. Really weird!

      • quipstad says:

        I noticed the white mist as well, but I think that is just a glare from light on the camera lens. I thought it was something weird too at first, but when door closes you can see it was there the whole time and didn't move. You just can't see it when the door is open because of the white floor.

      • truthermedia says:

        Yeah I know what you mean, watched it a second time and it looks more pixelated around that area and at the bottom of the door when it opens and closes, it looks more pixelated when the door closes, not sure if thats just because of the shinyness of the metal on the bottom of the door? Poor camera quality. Still think the hand movements are really bizarre looking though and of course the fact she ended up in the water tank. Weird stuff, its a strange world we live in though and this if probably not as strange as some things that have happened.

      • Iva says:

        Me too, I thought it was weird….

      • sweetarione says:

        maybe the white mist was some type of poisonous misty spray~ and the person responsible is someone who works there.

    • Felicia says:

      at what time do u see the devil?????

    • terrance withers says:

      The devil doesn't have horns

      • Cheri says:

        How do you know? have you been to hell and spoken with him?

      • your mom says:

        where would you get the idea that the devil is in hell??

        he doesn't wanna go to hell, who does? but he will, eventually. plz don't be fooled by the way the devil looks on TV, its a lie. He transforms himself into an angel of light, a beautiful angel, why do you think so many ppl fall for the lie? if he looked like what they say he looks like his minions would be running from him.

      • Advocationist says:

        Okay, here's a thing…

        A. No, no horns on the devil, that was an early christian invention to mimic the pagan horned god.

        B. Lucifer was actually the first, brightest, and most beautiful of all things in creation. He wouldn't *appear* that way, that is how he was made. In fact, the rebel angels didn't fall until the period between the Old and New Testament. Literally translated he is referred to as Morningstar and Lightbringer.

        On an note unrelated to the reply, I'd wonder if she was on any psychedelics. They are very hard to test for and I'm not sure are looked for at all in a standard tox screen. Not saying that's the case, I just wonder.

      • Phoenix says:

        Ok, for everyone saying she was probably on some sort of drugs, or was even ill (bi-polar) – how do you explain the fact that the lift would not close for love nor money, regardless of how many times she attempted to close the door by pushing various buttons? Then, after she left the elevator, the door miraculously closes twice with no problems what-so-ever – eerie!

      • suzycreamcheese says:

        yeah! just last week! how do YOU know he has??

      • Jannie Baby says:

        Have you?

      • amaryllis says:

        The devil does not appear like that. If anything, it is another entity.

    • Sam says:

      I saw a face… twice… I could not tell what it is, but it gave me goose bumps… you are right…

      • Emmy says:

        I saw a face as well … after Elisa disappears from the screen, I had to stop watching because I saw a grey face in the middle of the screen with dark spots where the eyes, nose, and mouth should be. It might just be the camera glare, but it seemed highly coincidental after her strange behavior. If you believe in paranormal occurrences, it's almost as if the entity is showing itself to the camera.

    • Dawn says:

      Terrified to admit it but I also saw something in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Obviously more visible when the door was closed…WHOA!! All I know. Hate that my husband isn't home right now…

    • Vicky says:

      I saw something too

    • amaryllis says:

      My recommendations would be
      1. Install poor quality CCTV in your home
      2. Review footage from a dark/badly lit camera in playback mode
      3. Be prepared to notice strange creatures and shadows and anything else for long periods of time even after you zoom in, slow down and freeze frames.

      Yes I have done it. I saw stuff too. Something resembling a mythical beast sitting under the kids' treehouse. In the front porch area, an old man just standing there in the driving rain a bit like a caretaker I never knew I had! His presence made me feel reassured more than anything else.

      I was concerned enough to playback to friends who independently saw stuff on there too. So what? Cameras are known to pick up supernatural happenings. If you watch Sean's film Greystone Park, I recall that he made the same point more convincingly. I would stick it on a USB stick but I don't have good enough tech skills.

      It could be bad quality of images/our eyes playing tricks on us/unexplained phenomena/bad weather conditions plus bad lighting and shadows – who knows? What would that have to do with the bare facts of the case which unfolded subsequently?

      • Jamammi Mosfriotu says:

        TOTALLY! I saw a smudge that looked like Elisha Otis dip under my kitchen table. naturally I ran into the kids room to wake them up and tell em there is a ghost in the house. we evacuated and spent the night just driving around in utter terror. Luckily my spirit guide was able to sell me a vary expensive mirror that reflects evil energy back to the spirit world and I have been fine for days now :)

      • Will says:

        lmfao AND CHRISTIAN'S ARE STUPID!?!?!? Seek help…..PLEASE.

    • Diamand says:

      You need help

      • amaryllis says:

        Okay, I never meant that I saw these things as in clearly saw them…more a case of being able to make out forms.

    • bob says:

      or she has schizophrenia?

    • alan says:

      I saw the devilish shadow too, on the doors as the finally closed

    • Kieran says:

      Horns? Do you know why you think the devil has horns? Because Christianity took the image of the fertility god, Pan, and demonized it to aid in their persecution of pagans. Now such images are deeply rooted into the minds of people like you. I feel sorry for you. Religion/Christianity will only enslave you to guilt and your own delusions. I hope you can find some real truth in life. Try watching Zeitgeist by Peter Joseph; that should be a good place to start. Have a nice day.

      • Steven says:

        yep christianity will enslave you and the enlightened ones will take you down to the pits with their c*ap.

      • Mirch says:

        i love that the only educated response is anti-religion. Lol. Religion is nothing more than pre-scientific answers to questions posed thousands of years ago.

      • J.R. says:

        I love how ironic that anti-religious and "educated" people preach "just do what you want, and what you think is right" which is exactly what Mr.Crowley's philosophy was. Atheism=satanism. How bout that? I would rather hold myself to a higher standard and feel like I have God to be held accountable to, then to do whatever the world though was right. Hey news flash, a** banging kids, men, and women was acceptable during Roman saturnalis.

    • Dharma says:

      I don't see any devil, but when the video got to the point where the door closed I got a horrible feeling, and had to stop. Something is definitely creepy in that video.

    • fran says:

      i fast forwarded and it looked as if she were still there when she wasnt. look in the elevator where she was standing in front of the buttons you can see a faint outline that resembles her as it plays on in normal and FF speed. eerie

    • Kristin says:

      I saw something myself. It appeared that a dark shadow was mimicing her movements after she had left the elevator for the last time. The shadow appeared to be hunched over the buttons and pressing them. I had wondered if she had left an imprint on the space.

    • Imran Khan says:

      Yes she is possessed and the Devil Killed her , threw her body with such force that the man sleeping in the room below was thrown off his bed

    • will says:

      What time in the video did this, devil appear?

  7. Fethi says:

    why is elevator door cant shut down? we clearly see set up for 3 or 4 seconds to close. so why arent close? and hand movement. she is very nervous. hand movement maybe start or stop something else. is a negative force or something else? Very strange…

    • Jessieb says:

      well someone COULD be on the other side holding the up or down button, preventing the doors from shutting before leaving that floor. And as far as her hand movements, at the end of it I saw her counting on her fingers, as if to say "for one, for two, and for three" maybe reasons why she didn't want to be involved with whoever was out of camerasight. If anyone. Just given the history of the hotel, and the toxicology report stating she had no drugs in her system-I personally can't rule out something supernatural. Oh, this story shook me to the core when I first saw it-as interesting as it is…..I may not sleep tonight over it! I almost wish I hadn't seen it brought back up :(

    • Komi says:

      It's probably a delay from when she was pressing all those buttons on the elevator when she first walked in. That happens to the elevator in my school. If you press all the buttons while it's open, the door will open, then it'll wait for a few minutes, then the doors will open and close a few times, then it'll go to the floors.

    • kimberly says:

      English, mothafucka, do you speak it?!

      • D D d says:

        Kimberley, what a beautiful name. No, i leave it there, not getting any lower.

      • hvns says:

        kimberly,
        Very nice. That is how you treat people?

      • Rachel London says:

        Its obvious English is not their first language. Didn't stop many people from understanding. I would love however, to see you communicate so fluently in ANY language other than English. You cock.

    • martha says:

      Did you notice the wall changed color at the end? From Brown to bright orange?

    • cookie says:

      She hit the stop button and she is dancing to elevator music… She got a lil freaked out when the doors wouldn't shut is why she is acting strange , like shes hiding. She clearly checks to see if someone is holding the button on the outside of the door. Now here is the scarey part. She took the stairway and a employ watching the monitor took the opportunity to abduct her, do whatever and put her in tank. The laps of time in her body being discovered and submerged in water , kills the chances of any DNA evidence. Who was working? Who has keys? who was watching monitor? Nothing spooky but another sexual predator.

    • Flap says:

      Because she isn't pressing the normal buttons. She is bending down and pressing buttons inside the maintenance panel, you can see she opened the cover flap. After she leaves, the elevator resets and operates normally.

    • DALA says:

      WHEN THE DOORS FINALLY CLOSED AND THEN OPENNED AGAIN, THE COLOR LOOKS DISTROTED LIKE SOMETHING ID IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA… THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE… NRUINED MY WHOLE MOOD AND MADE ME WANT TO THROW UP IT WAS SOOOO OVERWHELMING…

      • Seriously says:

        I hate to break it to you and something tells me I'm not the first person to tell you, but I think you may have a serious mental illness. Talk to a psychologist.

  8. idomagirl says:

    This scared me! Especially when she was moving her arms around!

    • hvns says:

      This scared you.

      Dear~ idomagirl ~ remember that one of 3 most frequent ways how demons enter human body is FEAR. Are you willing to give them any second of your life ? Even harsh reality is still reality. We wont help anyone or ourselves for this matter while scared. Beyond reasonable apprehension and sensible attitude to our environment I would give in to any sort of fear. My feelings as well as my future and my thoughts belong to the Lord. That is why they are positive ones.

      • Ange says:

        This is why, time and time again, the Holy Quran says to fear God alone.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        But what if the God that inspired the Quran was merely a very possessive demon? He'd request the same, only give fear to him and him alone.

      • D D d says:

        If i was religious i would go for a god that deserves respect, not fear. Gods that frighten people to me are kind of threatening, and i don't accept that.

      • D D d says:

        Correct, i don't accept that to be a way live by, let alone let him tell me what's truth.

      • elMagi says:

        FYI the kind of "fear of God " that the Bible refers to ( and I assume that the same is true for the Quran) is not fear as in terror horror or fright but rather the original intent in Hebrew Aramaic and Greek is "respectful reverence" that leads to obedience.

        Its like if some one says that they fear the laws of the state they don't meant they are afraid by them but rather that they have a respectful reverence to them and therefore try to obey.

      • D D d says:

        Wordplay .

      • D D d says:

        Big oops , hit the enter-button by accident! What i meant to say was : that too many frontmen/women of the religious type use fear as much as the next big government you can think of. Just another branch. If the word fear is used as in compassion, respect and honesty in relationship with community and family, than one should say so. Not waving a big flag with the explanation marked But What If! (Not believing in Christ, not praying, not carrying a version of a holy book, no place in heaven, that sort of thing.)

      • BluBoy says:

        elMagi – Its so refreshing to see that someone has atleast one brain cell. I know exactly what you are talking about.

      • quipstad says:

        D D d, if you are interested, the original translation in The Bible that says to "fear God" the word that was used for "fear" actually means something more like "intense level of respect." It would not be fear, like to be scared, but more of respect because He is so awesome and powerful. God has nothing but love for us and just wants us to love Him and love others unconditionally.

      • D D d says:

        The original translation. Hm. Must go find one than.

      • Syrus says:

        I have similarly read that the original meaning of the word "fear" in this context means "to embrace".

      • sittingcoffin says:

        See the immense problems that come from man-written religious documents? Lol.

        "No, guys, for real, this is totes the word right from the Lord, I swear!!!"

      • D D d says:

        ''You must swear with your hand on the holy book , otherwise it doesn't count for the law…''

      • Sder says:

        But this fear is in obedience to Him, in that you fear His punishment when you do sins. Same thing everywhere – punishments and penalties also instill fear in us. Isn't it a good thing that you find murdering and stealing threatening to your being when you consider the repercussions of both. Same thing here. It's a fact of life that there is fear and now you suddenly don't accept it. Funny.

      • Sanat Toma' says:

        They can still enter your body but if you have no FEAR they are alchemically transmutated into flowers and arcane knowledge

      • Sanat Toma' says:

        trans-mutated

    • dude says:

      so….no one ever waved at the electronic eye inside the door pocket that registers if some one is in the way so the door does not close?

    • mark says:

      yes me to very strange

    • Jennys95 says:

      I am not denying this is quite disturbing, and I know such "darkness" exists in this world. Yet her "arm" movements. It looks like she is communicating with someone, but it kinda looks like she was maybe doing sign language? I don't know a whole lot about it…did anyone else think of that? It doesn't make a different to this tragedy, just something I noticed.

      • Lori H says:

        Yes exactly. I had the same thought. It looks like she may be signing something. I wonder if she was fluent in AS or knew signing at all?

    • kushite says:

      with her hands she seemed to be shooing him away or imploring to be left alone. this is not drugs, or possession but cross-cultural body language. the guy works for the hotel.
      however, due to the long span of decades of tragedy here- esp with the illuminati signature via an almost exact acting out of the film Dark Water? and the LAPD's lack of efficiency to solve this case? this hotel is used as a ritual site by high level perps at the political level. Eyes wider open.
      Premeditated HOMICIDE. Full stop.

  9. Shen says:

    Agreed, completely bizarre, we may never know what truly happened.

  10. tash says:

    ok thats freaky!!what tha hell..:O..:O

  11. Skegeeace says:

    Totally unnerving. Perhaps she was a ritual sacrifice infected with TB and dumped into the water tanks to contaminate others. Surely, it would spread all over the place- especially among the poor with their low-immunity from malnutrition and lack of access to health care/vaccination. (Skid Row is traditionally home to the poor, right?) And her NAME…being the reverse of the name of the TB testing kits?! If that's true, I definitely smell satan worshipers. They do lots of things in reverse for their black magick rituals.

    People, your only defense is Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If you're not under their protection, then you're susceptible to evil attacks. Some aren't that extreme, but this one clearly was.

    • hippy says:

      please, vaccinations? YOu realize that is just a ploy by the gov't to dumb us down and make us sicker while they make money off of us. And we are not routinely vaccinated against TB, only if you are going out of country is it recommended.

      • amaryllis says:

        I reckon she was pumped chock full of live TB and used as a human guinea pig to specifically spread the virus and note it's contagious properties at high concentration. When the NWO progresses, they will have honed that prowess in order to eliminate the goyim. They are trying out the worst things in Syria and (soon) Iran of course.

      • Silvia says:

        TB is brought upon by a bacterium, namely Mycobacterium tuberculosis…

      • hvns says:

        I hate to say this but you can clearly see only 1 side of the medal. What " they" are doing right here before our eyes is way worse anything ever done to Syria or Iran or any Middle East nation for this matter.

      • hvns says:

        Sorry my reply was to amaryllis..

      • amaryllis says:

        c'mon HVNS, nuclear attacks on innocent children – did you not see those bodies lined up in rows in the Syria images – that is much more harrowing than a girl who was not of sane mind and unlikely to have been god-fearing (based on probability) who may or may not have come to a bad end because of the actions of others whom she may or may not have had dealings with.

      • gaybird says:

        I think hvns is referring to a broader scope than this one case – GMOs, chemtrails, mind control, sexualizing of children, degradation of morals, poisonous vaccinations, etc. The USofA is one kind of experiment in evil and the Middle East is another. Which one is worse or more evil is hardly relevant and is only distracting from the real issue. Evil is evil.

      • amaryllis says:

        Syria is a higher level of evil – the other issues do matter to us but don't compare in terms of brutality, cold blooded-ness and inability to defend against the evil

      • amaryllis says:

        There is no fresh air though – it's full of pollutants and whatnot. that's why MJ was wearing those funny masks and that was decades ago.

      • D D d says:

        Oh , wasn't that to guard his latest surgery for photographers?

      • gaybird says:

        There is no fresh water either unless you have enough money to purchase high quality bottled water and even then, the pollutants in the water soak through your skin when you shower.

        May things are being sprayed in the air in chemtrails – heavy metals, chemicals, nano particles, dried human blood, etc. have all been documented and we have no choice but to breath it.

        Cancer, diabetes,heart disease, autism, autoimmune disease- all are skyrocketing in this country.

        There are many things right here that we have no way to protect ourselves from. I realize what you're saying about the horrors of war. I'm just saying horror comes in all shapes and sizes.

      • Fynn says:

        What does her being god fearing have to do with it? perhaps I missed something?

      • ash says:

        Thank you fynn!

      • gre says:

        finally some sanity Fynn!

      • BugmansB33r says:

        there hasn't been nuclear attacks? get your facts straight

      • Chirpy says:

        Depleated uranium, derpy.

      • gre says:

        what does it matter if she's god fearing or not? If she's a victim of some government testing, as you're suggesting, how will God help her? Seen as he's supposed to be benevolent he would help all of his 'children' if he could, whether he is feared by them or not!

      • BluBoy says:

        hvns – You said, "What they are doing right here before our eyes is way worse anything ever done to Syria or Iran or any Middle East nation for this matter."……..Err, I don't know if you can open your friggin' eyes but what they are doing in the Middle East, IS what THEY ARE DOING in front of our eyes. You Imbecile.

      • ADSA says:

        If this was a ritual sacrifice that some elite force had been planning, then alot of time and consideration and "surveillance" went into targeting the perfect sacrifice. If the 2005 movie was some sort of warning then we know that at least 7 years of plotting had been done. And your point about only TB test was recommended when leaving the country, well she did leave Canada to come to the US. I know your probably meaning country's at hight risk of disease but if they had her targetet, because of her "unique name" for instance or for some other reason they could have; gave her an incintive to move to LA , then through her preparation to move made her believe that it was required for her to have a TB vacination (ultimely infecting her with it). So many questions need to be answered. Why had she moved? Did she move for school, had she obtained a scholarship? What was she studing? If it was healthcare, TB vacinations are usually required. Who were her friends? Did she have handlers? Why was she at the hotel? A few thing that jumped out at me was last name Lam. The first thing that crossed my mind before even reading the article was LAMB.

      • ScottBrio says:

        A sacrificial lamb none the less >__<

      • Jenny says:

        I agree with you.. My youngest son doesn't have any vaccination because my husband told me that this is just a marketing strategy…

    • You're Stupid says:

      More like… if you're in a bad place you're more susceptible to evil attacks. Making that statement is basically saying it happened because she didn't have Christ in her life, which you don't even know, and that is an insult to ALL murder victims.

      • hvns says:

        As far as I am concerned Skegeeace is much closer to the truth than your not so respectful remark.
        Yes we as Christians can easily become victims of crimes and even murders. History of True Christianity is written by martyrs. And to some extent it is another term for crime of murder. Last pages are not even written yet – ask in Burma Nigeria N Korea and Laos..
        But true Christians could never be suspected to demonic attacks. We are not afraid. I do not fear any haunted place. I do not fear presence of demons. We are not concerned of dark science of magics in any form as we have full protection. What I am saying is there is clear distinction between demonic evil and human evil. Knowing stories that I wish no one would know how people got attacked by invisible one and lost their minds and lives I feel for this hapless girl. However what makes me adamantly confident is Divine protection guaranteed from above. He is faithful and true. We are to be faithful and listen for an inner voice forewarning us of any danger. I know for sure nothing will ever separate me from His Great Love.

      • amaryllis says:

        It sounds arrogant mainly because you refuse to acknowledge your propensity to be less than perfect . even for a matter of seconds. We are prone to faltering because we are human beings and the reason that we are on trial in this life is precisely for that reason. Not one of us is impermeable to spiritual attack every single second of our lives. You come across as sounding so sure that you cannot be touched that non-believers would immediately pick up on that. It is surely a form of arrogance which could ironically lead to blindness.

      • gaybird says:

        Didn't Christ say there would be many who cry out in the "end" that they believed in Him and so should be saved and He responded "I never knew you." Many people who believe they have Christ in their hearts are sorely mistaken. No one "owns" God's protection. It is given or not given by grace. All we can do is to humbly ask for it. Self-righteousness, pride and arrogance are very distasteful to God and dangerous for the eternal soul.

      • gaybird says:

        One last thing – if there's a difference between Satan's evil and humanity's evil, then there must be a difference between God's good and humanity's good? So we are autonomous and have no need for God's goodness to be good ourselves and no need for Satan's evilness to be evil ourselves. This seems to negate the need for either God or Satan. Isn't that called atheism?

      • Jay says:

        Hate to break it to you but The BIBLE is fiction. Religion is "man made", to control the weak and the poor. If you picked up a detailed book on Astronomy which has been published in the last couple of years, common sense would explain that.

      • Kerdi says:

        Have you proven it is fiction? And what of common sense? Common sense, astronomy, science changes over the centuries, but the truth of God's salvation will always stay the same.

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        Has ANYONE proven it as real? There is no "truth" to god's salvation; they may as well be fairytales.

      • BluBoy says:

        Heismyshepherd – Exactly, God is omnipresent. You cant see him but you know he's there

      • sittingcoffin says:

        It would be common sense, then, to think that is the "being saved" having the same aspects over thousands of years would be indicative of the same entities inspiring the matter. Consistency has nothing to do with truth.

      • D D d says:

        Could you rephrase that please ;-) ?

      • Jim says:

        Have YOU proven it is truth? The gospes weren't even written until over 70 years after the death of a man who undeniably influenced his followers. Kerdi, you are of course welcome to your faith, and I am glad you find strength in it, but your conviction does not qualify you to insist that others believe what you do. There are those of us who believe that the one true entity worth worshipping, nurturing and protecting isn't some long-dead and gloriously deified person, but the very planet which sustains us all. The Native Americans knew this to be a fact long, long before any attempt was made to indoctrinate religious followers into a cult of blind belief. I am never astounded at the sheer audacity of fundamentalists, be they Christian, Muslim or any other stripe, regardless their creed, they view those who disagree as inferior. Sadly, most of us who don't believe in turning the other cheek will be too damn busy to protect you when the screaming hordes take to the streets in what you will no doubt view as a "biblical" end of days…..it's not biblical, it's inevitable.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        70 years is plenty of time for the people that were actually around during his life to pass so his story could be coopted into the morass its become today without anyone raising a hand in protest. Christianity was the first great taxpayers cult.

      • c0ckles says:

        True, but 70 years ago it was world war II.

        Plenty of primary sources, participants and family of participants (myself and my grandparents included) who heard direct accounts from those involved still around. There is a possibility with this, as well as with the non christian/christian accounts of Jesus that details are forgotten or altered slightly, written through rose tinted glasses etc…. good reason to remain cautious of all sources of historical information.

        However; my concern is that some people use such problems with primary and secondary sources to dismiss everything. My favourite ignorant comment (or rather, least favourite ) being 'there is no proof whatsoever that Jesus existed'.

        Overall, It's food for thought, and should be at least looked at by people before they claim outright that no Jesus existed. I agree that it is, at least, probable that his story was co opted to form the organised religions that are Christianity.

        Where the accounts of his life end (both Christian and non Christian) faith, personal beliefs and/or rejection takeover. That is where i agree with Jim no-one has the right to INSIST others believe as they do, it is personal choice, I just hope that more people make considered and informed personal choices, rather than blind or ignorant ones and remain tolerant of others.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Exactly. And we know almost nothing about WWII. Does anyone have the guts to say the Anne Frank diary was a total fraud? To talk about the severing of fingers of opposing soldiers that they had slaughtered? To discuss how Je wish organizations refused offers to remove their own from countries like Germany because their goal was to establish Isr ael at all costs? I know of relatives of soldiers on both sides of that war but they know only of their combat. What was found in the camps. None of that is complete information, in fact, it is enough to easily manipulate the saga for public miseducation, which is what it has been used for.

        Perfect example. Thank you.

      • meh says:

        You have never been in the presence of true evil or you would feel the fear well up in your heart like a shocking jolt so intense it takes your breath away and the feeling of death creeps into your lungs. Christian or not, all men fear what they can't see and what they can't fight. And what they can't understand terrifies them.

    • BluBoy says:

      Yes Skegeeace, double meanings remember, it most definitely sounds like the work of Satanists

    • Silvia says:

      Dear, TB is an airborne disease ONLY….

      • gaybird says:

        What Sylvia is saying is a fact, so drinking the water contaminated with Elisa's remains couldn't spread TB.

      • baz says:

        Bullshit it is found in beef and possums and is contagious if you eat the infected meat…

      • DoorsOfPerception says:

        TB is found in animals but there is NO proof that it can be SPREAD into humans via digestion.

      • Iya says:

        TB is not just airborne. It could be transferred through droplets from the infected person like saliva, mucus, etc

      • Silvia says:

        Exactly, droplets of saliva or mucus delivered to the AIR, thus AIRBORNE……… It's good to remember that TB is a highly infectious disease : just 1-3 bacteria are enough to adhere to the lung epitelium and colonize it, IF they reach the alveoli. In conclusion, if you ever were on a crowded subway or bus, chances are big you carry the TB agent, most of us do. Most of us are assymptomatic and will remain so for the rest of our lives.

        It doesn't spread through water.

    • amaryllis says:

      I am sure now that the TB was the false flag. It was a quiet, under reported, under investigated little sacrifice on a significant date

    • gooliaj29 says:

      you know what is even more freakier? the TB test is called the "LAM ELISA" test. google Lam Elisa and you'll see. now I have goosebumps

    • 1 AM says:

      i agree with you totally.I can smell SATANIC RITUAL!

    • iya says:

      Even before Elisa's case, there has already been a test for TB called Elisa Test. It's been used for quite awhile now and it's not just a test for TB but also for other kinds of communicable diseases. It might just be a coincidence that her name was Elisa. Besides that, this story is still quite creepy

    • Kayla says:

      Hahahahahaaa.

    • eoi says:

      I smell capitalists

    • scaryrose says:

      Just so everyone knows, many sampling kits in the biological sciences and chemistry are called "ELISA"s.

    • gladeye says:

      You have some ridiculous, farfetched ideas.

  12. Kim says:

    The way she moved her hands reminded me of the way my bearded dragon "waves" her arms. Same wrist-down, flat palm, fingers-up shape. That was the first thing I thought of. I don't think that is relevant at all, but it startled me how much she resembled a reptile with those movements.

    • frank says:

      Wow your right i used to have one and they move their hands just like that.
      im guessing its a demon lizard. someone do a check on lizard like demons.
      i know there is kundalini which is a snake like demon.

      • Ashley says:

        Actually in the bible spirits often appear as animals. Spirits of false prophets are like frogs. The Holy Spirit appears as a dove. I've heard Christians talk about demons like snakes that constrict a person and cause pain, a bear that's a spirit of anger, ect.

    • Komi says:

      Maybe she's a reptilian creature, lol, just like Hilary Clinton

    • B Diggety says:

      You know, there may be something to that. If you follow David Icke at all, he writes in great detail about " the Reptilian race."

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      I was thinking Amphibian her hands seem extended and webbed…. but also what you said is accurate description

    • Donnica says:

      Exactly what I also noticed, you dont know how relevant your association is.

      People, you have to search for the materials and lections of Robert Morning Sky – his "Terra papers – the hidden history of Planet Earth" and his "LA Transcripts", where he describes what exactly are the so called lizards and reptiles. Its a hard information to deal with, but than it gets understandalbe what are "demons"and "gods" and what there origin is. We are being influenced just by a hardcore TECHNOLOGY operating on so high levels, that can reach our minds and souls. And than all becomes "occult", "mystery" and "demonic". Outtaspace fuc*ers.

      I wish inner peace to all of you, we have to keep or eyes and mind always open.

    • Selena says:

      I owned beardies for a number of years. The arm waving motion is thought to be a show of submission, much like the head bobbing is a show of dominance. That puts and even weirder spin on things, doesn't it? She's showing submission?

  13. Noah says:

    @Janice Exactly; I'm a 16 year old African-American male, graduating high school next year. I've been groomed to become an entertainer, ever since I was a little boy. The reason these articles scare me so much is: I overhear my family talk about many of the same things discussed on this website. I've been reading these articles since 2009, and whenever I mention these to my family, they ignore me… as if to discourage me from reading them. I don't feel as if I'm "forced" to perform,–I genuinely enjoy music, dance, and theater–but when I read these I feel like I'm going to end up working for someone (or, some"thing") dark and sinister, that'll end up taking control of me. It's actually taking a lot for me to type this right now, haha. The Entertainment Industry is the only option for a career choice that I've ever been exposed, but this is making me reconsider. I don't wanna work for an entity that ends up leaving bodies to be discovered in water tanks on the roofs of hotels… and I don't want my body to be discovered in the same situation.

    • Robbit says:

      Noah, you should pursue your path, and serve as beacon and truth-bearer to those less informed. Sometimes the best way to defeat an enemy is to destroy them from within.

      • Noah says:

        Thank you for your advice; I've never considered that, it's very insightful. I'll just have to live day by day, and see what happens.

      • Sam T. says:

        We don't know that the entertainment industry had anything to do with this. And yes, it is run by Satanists, but since Satan doesn't exist, they have no power. Just fetishistic rituals.

      • Anna says:

        Just because u don't believe in something, it doesn't mean that this doesn't exist.

      • Lily says:

        And just because you believe in something, it doesn't mean that it exists.

      • Janella says:

        Original…

      • Kyle says:

        Doesn't make the argument any less valid than yours.

      • gaybird says:

        There is nothing that happens in LA that doesn't have to do with the entertainment industry.

        I'd like to hear you tell Elisa Lam's loved ones that this was nothing more than a "fetishistic ritual".

        "They" have plenty of power regardless of where you think it does or doesn't come from.

        You seem incredibly naive.

      • Janella says:

        He would tell Elissa's family that because Sam is a sadist.

      • hvns says:

        Sam T. Based on shortest glimpse with reality they have a whole lot of power. It is a testimony on satan existence is not it?

      • Jessieb says:

        Noah, beacons and truth-bearers are the first to be murdered. And, you sound like a great kid, and I sure wouln't want anything bad to happen to you. You have to decide for yourself of course, and I know your parents aren't making you per say, but it seems like they have alot invested in you to go that route. However, as a mother with kids ranging from 17 to 8 yrs. old, I beg you not to get yourself into that situation. I don't have any affiliation, so I can't prove it to you-but hollywood is a very sick, demented place that will chew you up and spit you out eventually. I would suggest you do something else for a career, and just keep your acting/singing/dancing skills on the side as a hobby. Just my motherly advice. I wish you the best kid!!!

      • Jessieb says:

        and I just want to add, noah-God has brought you to this site for a reason-probably to open your eyes before going down the wrong road

      • HEISENBERG says:

        here is your logic: god send me here to read exactly your post so i can tell you what a moron you are. so i can open my eyes the your moronic statement

      • hvns says:

        Jessieb I am with you on this one.
        That wont be a safe carrier choice to know things from inside. It is as secure as infiltrating mafia month before the crackdown…

      • Bohemian says:

        You're probably right but sometimes it's much more than just a hobby. And it''s hard to live your live wasting too much time on what you don't really like to do. Of course, it does not mean you should go and make a record deal or something immediately. So it's more difficult than some people might think for those who really love what they do and can't live without doing it

      • Nokids says:

        Noah, you don't need to go to Hollywood to succeed, people will always tell you that you do, as an entertainer I have also had my eyes opened. I realize Success is going to be harder to come by, but when you have made it, it'll be that much more worth it. You should look up smaller artists and their success stories, there are other artists out there that are happy doing what they do and didn't have to sell their souls. Keep following your dreams, but STAY AWAY from Hollywood no matter how enticing they may seem, just always REMEMBER what happens to their victims anytime you get tempted to accept anything from them, always praying for you in Jesus name

    • Ray says:

      For your own sake, steer clear of the entertainment industry. It is run by satanists.

    • BluBoy says:

      Noah, honestly. Your name is Noah for a start, so you should know better. If you've even got a quarter of a brain cell, you will do the right thing. Trust and believe me.

    • D D d says:

      You are still very young. And still exploring everything. Give yourself some more time to digest all of it. Keep in mind that whenever you want it, you can quit performing and go look for something different. But if it gives you joy, find ways to keep it joyfull and truthfull for yourself (and yours). Although there are some ''dark alleys you might want to avoid on your way to broadway''.
      On both sides of the truth, there is a lot of deception, so be carefull get smart and go live !

    • Simone says:

      Noah, I understand what you are feeling, and unfortunately, the only way you can decipher good and evil is with God. God does not want us to have a spirit of fear. You have to keep Him in everything you do. I was in the entertainment industry years ago…..even recorded a record. Now, I am kind of glad that I didn't get to that level. Because it appears that it has been this way all the time. But, I saw that, every time I reached a certain level something bad would happen. I met a lot of big named producers and promoters. And they were deceitful. That industry is about money. A product….you!! There are some entertainers that good hearted and aren't driven by the "fame" of the industry. Just take your time, learn your craft ( all of it) production, composing, instruments, choreography, etc. And always keep God with you. What about gospel music?

    • Mick says:

      You could teach dance, singing, acting to others. If you are comfortable in front of people, you could develop those skills further into another career entirely. You're talented and creative. You'll figure it out.

      You're young. You don't have to make any decisions about a career yet, and even if it doesn't seem like it (or even if your family has told you otherwise) you have other options. But remember, those life choices are yours to make alone. Don't let anyone, including and especially your family, make them for you.

    • Aeileon says:

      Noah, I make music too, but as the bible says you can not serve two, you can only serve one, if your parents are molding you to go into this career, be weary because this is the norm in the ent. industry as you can see from this site and others, Michael Jackson was subject to sexual molestation at the hands of his father Joe. Joe pimped out his boys so he could reap the benefits of their fame.

      Pray, Pray, Pray and Pray some more.. God speaks to you, just listen, and if you ever need anyone to talk too you can find me here facebook.com/only1aeileon

      • sittingcoffin says:

        There is talk of the Jackson family being a CIA experiment to see if talent could be instilled into an entire family of children. Ritual abuse would then be expected from the parents.

      • Janella says:

        Is this being serious now…

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I am serious that I have read those words on a computer screen, and I did not come up with it myself, yes. Is it true? No idea, and hey, those kids were raised and entered the scene in the 60s when the military industrial complex was becoming awfully interested in controlling world events through popular culture. So who came first, Joe Jackson merely being abusive and shaping talent or the military industrial complex getting a hold of a low income family that decided to go for money and fame without seeing the ultimate consequence? MK Ultra seemed to have at least glanced upon the family.

      • amaryllis says:

        I can 100% back that up

      • HeismyShepherd says:

        I would love to know where you found all of your info from!

      • BluBoy says:

        You could say that she has a lot of "inside" info. Amaryllis I know your mother comes from a "you know what" family lol and "Heismyshepherd" if you really do some research, I mean good hard research, you will find out for yourself and honestly the truth does set you free because you feel it on the inside (just like what happened to me) & no-one can take that knowledge away from you

      • amaryllis says:

        BBoy – you are the best.

    • Gracia says:

      Hi Noah,
      I admire your courage in speaking out about this. You will definitely be in my prayers. When you feel like you can't turn to anyone around you its a sign that you need to turn to God. He's the only who will always have your best interest in mind, I've experienced this for myself. You need a great amount of strength and its the type of strength that only he can give. Pray. It doesn't have to be fancy, just speak to God and tell him how you feel. Keep your head up and don't fear.

    • gaybird says:

      Yes. Model yourself after the few (and I mean VERY few) who have remained in God's light. Get in touch with the actor, Jim Caveziel, who played Christ in the Mel Gibson movie "The Passion of The Christ". He has a youtube channel and a website and is a devout Christian.

      Stay as close to God as you can. It's a treacherous road you're on, but you may have been chosen to walk it. Don't let anyone pressure or tempt you to do evil with your talents, not even your family. God is your true Father.

      I was in the entertainment industry myself for many years and your fears are not unfounded. You're doing the right thing by studying this website as you will need to be fully armed with the truth to negotiate those waters.

      Giving your heart and soul to Christ, reading the Bible everyday and praying for protection are your best defenses against evil. And remember to fear God and His judgement, not other people's opinions. They are just people like you and this is your life.

      God Bless.

      • gaybird says:

        This is not a case of police incompetency. It's clear this was covered up, so don't be naive. It takes a good deal of skill to make Elisa's death look like an accident.

        The elevator was working. She pressed a specific sequence of buttons including the door open button and some elevators are programmed to stay open for longer than others. It would make sense that an old hotel might let the door remain open after pressing the open button for a longer period of time than say an office building due to guests with luggage needing time to disembark, though the length of time the door is open is really long,so it implies something more.

      • gaybird says:

        This comment doesn't belong here. Sorry. Don't know how it happened…

      • sittingcoffin says:

        How do you know Caveziels public face isnt a programmed alter? He looks possessed with spirit, himself…a little overenthusiastic and preachy, IMO.

      • jenna says:

        We don't care about Cavezel, whatever his name is. He was very handsome in the 90s. That's all.

      • jenna says:

        We know we are also wicked & we get influenced by evil. We also know what we admire and it isn't evil. Now bwcause we are far behind which we are aware of, it doesn't indicate that we have to be delighted about it and despise the ones who are without evil if you get my drift. Those have a better relationship with God, they are humble ones and approach goodness. We are a different kind of peeps, however it doesn't mean we have to refrain from making the effort to become better.

    • gaybird says:

      I also meant to say that there is evil everywhere. Jesus called Satan the Prince of the World. Don't let people try to scare you and convince you that there is somewhere safer than Hollywood because there isn't. The upper middle class suburbs of America have their share of murderers, child rapist and satanists as well as does every place on this face of this planet, including churches and charities. That's why Christ said "be in this world, but not of it."

      Don't give up your dreams for false security. Find safety in your heart by giving it to God everyday.

    • random plebe says:

      Song and dance is for the easily amused. An exercise in futility, performed by those addicted to applause.

    • Trish says:

      Hey kid, I don't know if you are a real person or not (you know how the Internet can be) but I randomly saw this story and remembered hearing about it on the news. I saw your comment and was concerned with people's response to you. I don't know what is in the water that all of these fear spreading people leaving you comments are drinking but Hollywood is not run by satinist or dark evil powers? It's an industry like any other that is fuled by money and naturally there are going to be the type of people who will take advantage. Even in the churches, look at the problems even religions are accustomed to. Don't take his the wrong way, I'm not bashing your religion if you have one or anyone's religion but any industry that makes money is in some way corrupt even some charities. The goal of a successful person in the music/film industry is to steer clear of deceitful people and have a lawyer look over your contracts if you get to that point. Don't let people that are afraid of everything keep you from perusing your dreams. The world can be as dark as you want it to be but it can also be as bright as you want it to be. Surround yourself with positive people and be true to your heart. Focus on what you want to happen in your life , not what you don't want! I can't stand to see a bunch of fearful adults try to talk you out of perusing your dreams or going to hollywood.

      • D D d says:

        This one deserves more + 's i think.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        not from me

      • D D d says:

        It doesn't state that the ones that want to go should be dumb robots. And i read hollywood in this one as ''entertainment industry''.

      • BluBoy says:

        Trish, sorry but Hollywood IS ran by Satanists, whether you like it or not. Work out where it gets its name from. Hollywood is a fabricated view of reality and life. Smoke and Mirrors. A dream world. NOT REAL…..Good night

      • amaryllis says:

        Of course – it is a world fabricated by them and it can only serve their desired purpose. You cannot choose to play their game on your terms or believe that you can do this by outwitting them or double-bluffing. That beast is more powerful than any human being hitching a ride on the freedom train. Most spiritual people would not even go there so anyone who does cannot be as solid as they like to think. If you were, then you would be dropped like a hot potato

      • amaryllis says:

        Furthermore, there is no point in doing your own thing in music in a small town far away from LA . If it's enter-tainment you are making, then your objective is to enter young minds, play a role in programming them even if this renders you a puppet within their grand scheme. Look at Justin Beiber and others who started out online – Hollywood came knocking on their door as soon as they proved their credentials as programming puppets so they ended up there anyway.

      • Marge says:

        Well, I think this topic gets into aesthetics too. I'm in a Sound Healing course, for example. I'm sure these programmer people prefer some types of music more than others… not so much say, gently uplifting sacred music or – I don't know, reggae.

        I know with any kind of retail shopping situation, for example, the music is always upbeat, energetic – they want you to be almost manic – buying, buying, buying…. The occult social programmers have their own preferences. They want to take you into dark weird places, it seems… & some defiant mania & disassociative magic is okay too.

        Noah… maybe check out the world of 'conscious music' – ? Someone like Michael Franti, for example… his music is too positive & uplifting to be used for programming! So he plays mostly hippie & yoga music festivals as far as I know… he's part african-american, i don't know… could be some inspiration to you. I know there are many other similar artists out there too… the Roots are another group that come to mind… De La Soul… keep it earthy & positive, that's my advice… the Illuminati don't seem to be so into that sort of thing!

      • HEISENBERG says:

        What Trish said is exactly how i feel. Thank you Trish.
        I know an amazing woman also called Trish, she shares alot of your viewpoints. Maybe it is you? LOL who knows…..

    • Rachel says:

      Don't fear Noah for God has given us the spirit of Love, Power, and a Sound mind. If God has given you the gift of song and dance then do it to the glory of God the Creator who made you. I won't like, this video kind of freaked me out too, but remember…..Greater is He who lives within Us, then he who is in the world. I"m praying for God's love and never ending protection over your life.

      Your life and destiny is what it will be. I feel horrible that the poor woman was killed in a horrible and wicked way. But just because you may end up working for top executives in the music business does not mean you'll end up like that. Just remember to always put God first, don't sell your soul to the wicked one, and enjoy doing what God has put you on Earth to do. God bless and wishing you uncommon favor, blessings, and a beautiful life. :)

      God Bless You.

    • amaryllis says:

      Noah you are sixteen. You know the score. Nobody told me what to do when I was sixteen. Don't think you can go into that industry without getting your fingers burnt along the way (not just figuratively either). However, that is not to say that the same would not happen in an ordinary job either. That is how we learn. It all depends upon whether you need to make those mistakes for yourself (some of us do) or whether you are risk averse enough to take other people's word for it and forgo this chance. Only you know the answer to that.

    • Rose says:

      Hi Noah, If you dont mind….
      I'm curious to know what you mean by "been groomed". One of my friends was in the entertainment industry and is looking to find out more about his past. He too was "groomed" since he was born, to be in the entertainment industry but went through some strange things, even to the point of being told his family were not biologically related and he was raised to experience life a certain way so that he could write and act out his accounts. Very Strange. He is looking to find others that went through the same thing. Thanks.

      • RealHausFrau says:

        Wow, Rose-your story intrigues me as much as the story we're discussing. So, if I understand-your friend was given up to a non-biological family to be 'raised'. But, rather than being raised normally and organically, going through the normal (in whatever sense) rites we all do, just dealing with them as they come……your friend's life has been engineered in a way? Others 'made' forced situations , scripted his life, if you may? They did this in order to produce a certain type of person that they expected would be a good book/tv show/movie….whatever? I've read and researched many, many bizarre things-but this is nearing the top!

        I am fascinated by this and wish that you or your friend could expand on this story somehow! I mean, we've all heard of kids like Noah, with starry-eyed stage parents who force, or 'groom' their kids to follow a certain path. In a sense, most parents, myself included, consciously…or not……gently nudge or downright push our kids towards futures we believe will give them an advantage in life. We even plan things, like camps or vacations-experiences, that will educate or entice them towards the path we wish to see them on.

        But to purposely take an infant (I'm assuming) and create a completely made up biological/familial history, and whatever else….PLUS….set them up in unnatural, unusual and maybe even damaging/abusive situations is straight terrifying and unnerving. All this concentration, in order to not only plant a seed for their future…but to attempt to create a specific personality: flaws, emotional damage & all….in hopes of making them famous…or infamous?!

        I know that some 'scientist' have, indeed, used their own offspring in some horrific mental & behavioral experiments…..but even they were fairly upfront about it, and there was (as far as I know) a planned or forced end to the abuse. Your friend's situation… is just……mind-blowing.

        Please share more, or ask your friend to…if you are both comfortable with it, because….it did turn out to be a story worthy of being documented somehow, if it's the story that has my mind racing with questions/possibilities and scenarios. Thanks for sharing as much as you did, please go on!

    • agnu says:

      you will be given a lovely pair of red shoes. you will put them on and be unable to remove them, and they will make you dance until your body hurts. you will be unable to sleep as you keep dancing through terrible dark nights in city streets and woods, past highways and into the dark crowded fields of cows, unable to speak with anyone every again for all the dancing.

    • Truth says:

      Noah, perhaps the most dangerous thing is people telling you how you should live. Please ignore all of these comments to your post. I live in Hollywood. I am a musician. Everything people will tell you about Hollywood and showbiz that don't actually live in Hollywood and work in showbiz is hearsay. They gather their information from tabloids, magazines, and the internet.

      Dude, if you love music and its your passion, then go for it. Its as simple as that. Don't listen to the uneducated advice people will give you. Would you listen to a fat person give you workout advice? Or a poor person give you financial advice?

      • jenna says:

        I'd like a wise person to give me advice.

      • amaryllis says:

        Would you listen to a fat person give you workout advice? Or a poor person give you financial advice?

        I would in some cases, but I am not in LaLa Land I guess

      • BluBoy says:

        Truth, You live in Hollywood. You are a musician. Like all the hundreds and thousands trying to make it big, Fame hunters. Tell me what are the chances of you getting to the calibre of say Michael Jackson, Whitney, Elvis? Very very very slim my friend, because ultimately there is only ONE WAY you can become as big as someone like that because otherwise you will be spending your whole trying to make it in Hollywood and FOR WHAT, hmm?, honestly for what?. You obviously don't understand the concept of Hollywood and why it was created.

      • amaryllis says:

        Whose truth are you promoting mister? What makes you think you have enough distance and control over your own mind and decisions to provide an objective overview? I know some folk in the Industry and some of them do a lot of work in Holy-wood. I know others who have posted on here also have those links.
        Uneducated people? Would you like to compare CVs buster? Or did you mean unqualified to speak?

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Military industrial complex has a 60 year history of using the entertainment industry, especially music, to promote their own agenda. Good luck!

    • streever says:

      Noah, I can promise you, that isn't the case.

      How could a demon or spirit possess you?

      What did you do to allow that?

      God gives all of us free will–even free will to agree to give up our will and be controlled by others.

      However, no one can take away your free will. It is your choice to surrender it or not.

      I promise you: no one is able to take away your will and intention without you letting them.

    • Reason says:

      You're young…free your mind. The devil doesn't exist, people just don't want to take responsibility for their own evildoing.

    • donte says:

      Your soul is more important than anything this earth can give you. Choose life, follow the MOST HIGH and his ways. All these things on earth will pass away, your soul, will not.

    • deb says:

      Hey Noah, everyday the music industury is tell 'us' what they are doing with kids minds and morals. I hope you take the time to understand the meanings or symbols and tell you community about what's going on. Once you understand don't let your family tell you anything else sometime people don't have your best interest at heart-people usually have theire own self interest at heart. Even gospel music is sun worship and not son worship. These 'agents' will show you what they have-i.e. big homes, all the men and woman they can handle, money and no soul.

      look up what GAGA means in the dictionary

      look up What a holly is-hollywood

      people think that horn sign is cool; it's nothing more than paying homage to satan

      These people are called handlers and can make or break you=see dmx

    • Zwordz says:

      Noah, You are very clever and awaken to see things. To be so young and awaken like that is so refreshing.
      Just trust your feelings, only your feelings, heart and intuition will tell you the truth.

      If art comes natural to you then that is your truth aswell. You already have a lot of awareness and are ahead of things.
      TAKE YOUR TIME. DON'T LET ANYONE RUSH YOU. If they don't like it, other people, your family or whatever, tell them you need your time. If they still want to rush you tell them you wana be an accountant or whatever. Get them out of you case.
      People rush in to the industry too young and things can go wrong like that.
      You know the dangers and you know your great possibilities. Study, learn, be patience, develope your talent, your intuition and your knowledge.
      You are clever and talented. If you take your time, learn and educate yourself, then nothing will harm nor stop you.
      All the best.

    • jennadestined says:

      Noah, you seem like a smart young man. I bet there are many of entertainers wishing they had done a little research before they "joined" Seek God with your whole heart, while He may be sought.

    • Saveoursouls says:

      If I get this right, your parents do talk about this and yet won't discuss it with you… and groomed you for the satanic/music industry… Your instinct is telling you something… I would find some sort of reason to get away from that family of yours… and find out as much details about them, their past, their contacts… Like a sudden interest in ancestors etc. ;-) You could also start looking at … I don't know… scholarship in another place … change of school… something to get you away from them eventually. But you need to make contact with people in the know who will help and support you and guide you. This can't be done in a week… take your time, start thinking, don't talk about this to the people around you. And know that if… just if… you are from a multi-generational family of Mk's they will sense something is strange… so be smart about it and contact people who can guide you, I can't stress that enough.

    • Eliyah says:

      YHVH put Samson in the temple of Dogon; largely through mysterious ways and means.

    • Traditional Girl says:

      Go where the love is and avoid dark places. Hollywood is NOT a place for anyone. Choose life and goodness and God will lead you every step of the way. Otherwise, you will be in way over your head. There are plenty of ways to express your artistic talent and dreams. Do not take the Hollywood path. It is only trouble. All that glitters isn't gold. God has WAY better plans for you. Trust Him.

    • T Que says:

      Watching some of those actors have going through such strange transformations ending in horrific breakdowns more obvious lately has been a clue that there is a very dark entity out there, the music/entertainment industry. Never doubt what that "nagging voice" or intuition is trying to tell you especially if you do go out there in the entertainment industry with all kinds of powerful influences and temptations playing and directed at you, even if you find yourself suddenly having to leave this country to get away from an "offer" of a 50 million $ "contract" and or escaping to Africa, for example, leave.

      But, don't think that the dark entity exists only in Hollywood or in the entertainment industry. It is wherever and whenever one is vulnerable or unfortunately desperate,despondent even, enough to be bought. Also, here is some advice someone gave me when I was much younger that is unfortunately very true. At your most vulnerable times be very careful of those who want to "help" you, seem to want to come to the "rescue". They may be also carrying along some baggage as well.

      When I was young wrong at least hidden by the adults from the children. Today it is openly glorified.

      Get to know yourself very well. God Bless.

    • Lovenotfear says:

      The best thing to do is find companies that are not messed up in this filth. They are out there. Lifehouse is an example of a band who was signed to a non illuminati company. Look into it, it's worth your life.

    • boamcx says:

      I'm writing 41 weeks later, so you've probably moved on, but just in case:
      Honey, calm down. People are people, and if your family are discouraging you from reading these things – obviously compelling, but absolutely a choice you get to/have to make — it's probably because they scare you so much.
      There are millions of people working in entertainment; very few end up in disaster (and by the way, this girl was not an entertainer, but a tourist, right?). It's wise to be cautious, but you're filling your head with unnecessary frights — I don't usually read articles like this, and I can tell you: it scared me, and I'm almost fifty-three!
      One time (20 yrs. ago) I couldn't stop reading the collected works of Edgar Allan Poe — they're scary, and especially read one after the other (they weren't really meant to be read that way) but they're so, so good. After a week + of this, I started having really gnarly nightmares, but… I wasn't done with the book. After three nights, I mentioned this to a friend, and he said, "Sounds like you'd better lay off the Poe." So I did. I read something else — another great book. No more nightmares. The End (of the problem, and the story).
      It sounds like this career/success thing is pushing you to deal with adult things, not all of which you're quite ready for. That's normal. Do you see how this fear that you'll be controlled by some dark 'entity' parallels your discomfort that your family is so anxious for your talent to turn into success? Combine that with the crash n burn stories you hear (that's to tell you to be careful, To Thine Own Self Be True, use Common Sense, etc…)
      The real world is enough to deal with — 24/7/365. A lot of people who hang out on this site might disagree with me: that's exactly why I'm taking the time to write to you. You're a level-headed, intelligent person. Most of the time, the obvious solution is the solution!
      Tell your family — those who can take it, anyway — your concerns. Tell them how you feel that they're full of enthusiasm, and that's great, but it's putting a lot of pressure on you. If you still can't get these concerns under control, talk to a regular counselor or a trusted, sensible older person. These are very normal concerns for a 16 year old who already has a career path to have. No dark entities are coming for you! Don't psych yourself out. Then you'll start to falter, and then you'll always be tormented by a different kind of 'demon' — regret: 'What might have been if I'd kept my nerve?" That's the kind of thing that haunts most of us! They say old people don't regret the things they did, but the things they didn't do. I'm finding it to be true! (That's for things that aren't in extremely poor judgement or poor taste, of course.)
      Now, go and do something fun: smell some flowers, play with a dog, look for butterflies. Imitate the birds.. And remember what I said: 'No more Poe, no more nightmares'. Best of luck and take good care, son. — boamcxcat

  14. Dezaitohn says:

    The hotel is the shape of the letter E…Elisa?

  15. DiferenteMasIgual says:

    I'm wondering what happened to the hotel guests that noticed (and tasted, they complained about the water's taste so I'm assuming they tasted it…) the foul water…

    • keno says:

      it sounds like they have been infested with a ghostly demonic spirit

    • Andrew says:

      Travellers usually buy mineral water. You don't drink the water in the hotel. Still the water was used for showers.

      • RealHausFrau says:

        But, remember-this doesn't seem to be a sort of hotel that 'we' would visit on vaca or a business trip. It sounds like a place that the down-and-out, or drug addicts use as a sort of boarding house when they can scrape up the money. I don't think they are spending their money on bottled water when they can get tap for free.

    • gaybird says:

      Yes. They drank it, bathed in it, brushed their teeth with it. They complained to the hotel management. That's how the hotel staff was alerted to something being wrong with the water supply which led to the discovery of Elisa's body.

      That's how evil and sick the people who did this are. Some did speak out, but they are strange as well. You can find interviews with them on you tube.

    • amaryllis says:

      Nobody died obviously. You probably drink/eat stuff like that too without realising.

    • joy gotou says:

      wondering the same too…and i cant imagine somebody drank the water from there..thats so gross…

    • viatoretvenus says:

      Yeah… don't people usually get poisoned to the point of death by drinking foul water??

    • Dom says:

      Yeah, they drank it. One of the said they ran the water for a couple of minutes because it was black and that it had a "sweet" foul taste to it. Yuck…

      • RealHausFrau says:

        It was BLACK?! That might be my 1st indication that there's a problem, perhaps. :/ Call me picky or snobby, but even when I travel internationally, I expect my tap water to be somewhat colorless.

    • Bianca says:

      Yes, there was a British couple that saw & tasted it. I live in LA county, and the radio station KFI 640 AM interviewed them. They had planned their trip to the US using some travel website, and they got a hotel on Skid Row. The interview happened before they knew who the body was. Initially they thought it was a prostitute. And there was a separate new story for the missing Canadian tourist (Elisa Lam). Her parents knew she was missing like the first day because she didn't call. She was a really good girl – no drugs or anything like that. That's why the family knew something was wrong.

      Want to know something terrible? The hotel didn't even comp the hotel room! I guess most of the guests were either foreign or shady, so no one really pressed the hotel for answers. If I can find the radio interview online I will post it.

      This article gave me serious chills and I cant even bring myself to watch the surveillance video. it's like watching death. I am all about trying to open my eyes, but damn, this shit is creepy. No wonder they say ignorance is bliss!

  16. dusty says:

    a demonic force possessed her body. u can clearly see the dark entity in the elevator

  17. Becky says:

    To agree with Noah, this is one creepy story. Watching her in the elevator brought back every scary movie I ever watched as a kid (and no longer watch as an adult). I had goosbumps watching her. Also so odd and creepy was the news clip which hinted at how impossible it would be for anyone to get up there let alone put a body in there. And the final creep factor was that the Dept of Health didn't find any biohazards in the water? How is that? Her naked body was in there for two weeks! Wouldn't that be a bio-hazard in and of itself?
    Oh and why was she naked? That was odd too. Looks like a Steven King movie.

  18. Scared straight says:

    Exactly how did she all of sudden get naked if she was fully dressed in the elevator?

  19. 27moni says:

    It also reminds me of 1408 with all of the suicides. And I have seen the tape before . But when I looked at it this time something strange (that may be logical) did show one the doors closed

    • BluBoy says:

      OH MY GOH! 27 Caaaan't believe you just said that, how spooky is that film???. This is what it reminded me…… and 1408 equals 13.

  20. Jordan says:

    When she pressed all the buttons, she obviously hit the "Door Hold" button as well. She doesn't have her glasses on. Come on people…

    • Skegeeace says:

      But the door hold button only opens the doors for a brief moment- not even a whole minute.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        It does in that hotel. Its a long time.

      • Brandi F. says:

        Yep,
        At my apartments for example, the door hold works until you hit it again. I have had to report movers for keeping it stopped at a floor indefinitely. While the rest is definitely shady this part, is not.

    • marc says:

      the hold button only last for a few seconds and clearly it lasted like a minute or less in the video.

    • D D d says:

      Think so too, and her glasses. I know a lot of elevators that take more then a few moments to close, too.

      • BluBoy says:

        Orr please guys lets not have 234 comments on how many seconds an elevator door stays open for. PLEASE.

      • D D d says:

        i was aming for 327.

      • BluBoy says:

        I'd go for 328

      • mies says:

        Remember guys, IF she hit the hold button and continued to make her way in and out of the elevator as she did, it could have prompted the elevator to remain open

      • SBreezy says:

        True, however when she stepped outside oft the elevator and started doing that weird hand thing, it should have closed… and it didn't. And then at the end it closed normally (like 2-3 seconds).

        Source: I work at a hotel and ride elevators all day.

      • speckledfeather says:

        Well also the door didn't even try to close. Like.. not at all. I mean its not like the doors at a grocery store with a sensor that prompts it to stay open (this is an old hotel.. maybe a sensor would be on a new elevator?) usually an elevator door will start to close and you have to physically stop it with your hand for it to open back up. This was not the case here. Its a bit odd.

      • panicthe 3 says:

        If you have the elevator door open for too long shouldn't there be an alarm that sounds of the elevator door still open for period of time…..

    • creeped out says:

      And she just happened to stumble into the water tank because she wasn't wearing her glasses?

    • amaryllis says:

      Cristall Opticians?

      • D D d says:

        Don't they have bubbles in their glasses?

      • Meeeee says:

        Lol.. You and that bluboy are a witty mess haha!!!

      • Erica says:

        well she like pushed a bunch of buttons, maybe she screwed something up and caused the delay. plus, she was like in and out, in and out of the door, setting the sensor of and pushe a bunch more again more delay time…. but the way she was moving her hands, remind me as if she was moving or dancing of some kind to music. The rest is a bit odd,

    • DoorsOfPerception says:

      Maybe the elevator just happened to malfunction but what are the odds of that happening unless it's a Hollywood horror film. In saying that, when I watched this footage the the first time that's what I was thinking. It looks like a movie, like something directed by Wes Craven.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I read a very thorough breakdown of the video….along with a missing minute, there are reused frames. The most telling its the 14th second where the door begins to close – frames were reused to cover up the normal function of the elevator. It is a trick to make you think the elevator was malfunctioning when in reality she had just taken too long to get to the Door Open button.

      • unicornmermaid says:

        Can you link to the breakdown of the video? I'm curious to see that.

    • ezzz says:

      door hold button isn't infinite, and she wasn't holding it. even if pushed it closes after a few seconds not minutes.

      • unicornmermaid says:

        Some elevators do have 2 door hold buttons; one that you have to hold the entire time and it closes as soon as you stop pressing it, and one that you can press once that leaves the door open until the button is hit again. There's no way to tell in this video if that elevator had that function, but an alarm does usually sound if that button is left on too long. Also, it's strange that as soon as she exits the elevator the door closes and the elevator starts working again.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        trib watch. com/ elisaLam2. ht m

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      This whole scenario from start to finish and everything in between is super weird and absolutely bizarre….. so spend all the time you want to trying to dispel the strangeness of the elevator mechanism behavior because it's not going to change all the other bizzare shit that happened, no matter how hard you try to provide a mundane explanation for the elevator betraying her right before she died in one of the strangest mysterious deaths ever recorded in American History. It was fucking weird no matter what the fuck you say

      • Chocoman says:

        Ok, we need to put Sherlock on this because I won't sleep well until it is resolved:

        My mundane explanation (helps me sleep to think rationally):

        She had an altercation with the employee at the lobby while being irrational and hysteric. Employee, alone at the night shift, thought she was a danger to herself and tried to reason with her. He thus blocked the elevator when she walked away. As the elevator wouldn't move, she tried pushing all the buttons. Then tried to look and see if doorman was still there. Saw him and hid. Rest as seen on the video.

        Employee's altercation with somehow went extremely wrong. She end up dead or unconscious. Employee Want to hide the body and can't think of a better solution than putting her in the water tank. Only employees have access to the roof and can unplug the alarm of the emergency exit.

        I know she couldn't be alone since she was found naked and her clothes were not found. Plus, according to the news coverage, the firefighters had to cut the tank open. However, how the an employee find the body in the first place if there was no opening? Her behavior might not be explainable. Although, I did have a long run with a bipolar girlfriend. And she did put up some weird behaviors. Never THAT weird, but yet…one can wonder.

      • Dom says:

        Well, we know for sure that she was not dead before going into the tank because the cause of her death was ruled accidental drowning.

      • Dom says:

        I mean die

      • stinkys says:

        well yeah but she must have surely been knocked unconscious first…drowning is not something you can do voluntarily your body will force you to come up for air.

    • Gabby J. Bratt says:

      Good point Jordan . And without even hitting the hold – having hit all the other buttons may have put a stop to the elevator .

    • StuckNdaMiddle says:

      Well, if you use that theory that she odviously hit the "door hold" button, I'm assuming she also hit the "door Close" button. IJS.

    • Joe says:

      Agreed, and her strange behavior could also be explained. Not realizing that she had pressed the Door Hold button, she starting moving around the elevator, mistakenly thinking the sensors weren't work. Note how she "hides" in the corner and feels around in the air; I think she was trying to use movement to trigger the elevator.

    • Michael says:

      Hi Jordan,

      I work with closely with people who work on elevators and the close door button never works due to safety concerns. It's a dummy button.

    • Brit says:

      I agree, and also, old elevator especially tend to have buttons that "lock" the elevator doors open until you unlock it.

  21. swiftfoxmark2 says:

    One thing is clear: the LAPD is one of the most incompetent law enforcement organizations in the entire country. This woman was clearly murdered, as firefighters had to literally cut her out of the tank.

    And while drugs would have explained her behavior, if they had been in her system as she was clearly hallucinating something, it doesn't explain why the elevator wasn't working properly for her. She clearly stands in the elevator long enough for it to close the door and start going to the next floor.

    There was definitely something supernatural going on there. Unfortunately, there isn't any information involving her life. Usually people who are connected to extreme supernatural incidents like this one are also involved in the occult in some way prior to meeting up with a demonic spirit of some kind.

    • Sirwafflecore says:

      Hooray! You two actually make sense! kudos!

    • Kathleen says:

      Given the history of the hotel, the place is very likely bursting at the seams with the influence of the diabolical, based upon what exorcists deal with.

      With a place that foul the victim may have had little to do with the equation. Though, yes, it is likely she at least "dabbled." But people treat things like Ouija boards like toys and fail to realize the vulnerability they create in the person that dabbled. It is unlikely any information about any "dabbling" would become public because the public discounts it.

      • Rissa says:

        That reminds me of Stir of Echoes with Kevin Bacon. He dabbled with hypnotism and was suddenly "open" to the spirit world.

        Does anyone know anything about Elisa prior to this incident? I tried to look her up on FB and only found a RIP site.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        We are all open to the spirit world. What do you think runs around inside yourself but at least one spirit?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Yeah, Ive looked at her social media sites. Totally normal for a modern, intelligent, depressed human being.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        You cant live a typical persons life without dabbling, for dabbling also includes leaving ourselves susceptible to negative forces by watching TV, listening to music, eating poisoned, GMO laden foods, drinking poisoned water. All of that stuff can leave someone "open" to predatory etheric beings.

      • esoteric says:

        'ethereal'

      • esoteric says:

        also. Diabolical influence would be classified as astral in nature and in this case exhurting ethereal forces upon the victim in question.

      • RaftyCharles says:

        A woman is killed and you speculate about her personal life based off incomplete information? So sick.

    • hvns says:

      swiftfoxmark2
      Your last paragraph talk volumes. I do think the same.

    • Deb says:

      they are more than incompetent, they are servants to TPTB. Think of all the unbelievable effed up stuff that happens in Hollywood. The LAPD could be back logged for decades if they ever enforced the law as it should be throughout that area but many of them are in bed with evil.

      • dag says:

        Exactly. And let's not forget they are also among the most corrupt police departments in the country. Does anyone remember the Rampart scandal? The LAPD is proven to be "on the take," and if they are willing to take bribes from the Bloods and the Crips, what makes anyone think they wouldn't take bribes from Illuminati Satanists in Hollywood, who of course have much more money than some petty gangbangers.

      • dag says:

        FYI the last word was g a n g b a n g e r s.

      • Andrew says:

        Enough with the money. All those years what it's rammed down our throats is money, money, money. The lalaland and USA in general with their movies and soap operas have corrupted the world. They only talk about money, nose jobs, gold digging, plastic bits.

      • BluBoy says:

        Why do you think they call it Holywood….errr, I mean…Holy – Wood

      • Andrew says:

        They should rename it to unholyplastic

      • Mike says:

        The movie Gangster Squad shows how the LAPD was corrupt as hell back in the 40's when Mickey Cohen ran the town.

        Before Cohen though, the chief racketeer in LA was the head of the LAPD.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Or have parents closely connected to the military industrial complex.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      There are her twitter accounts, her instagram, her tumbler and her blog as far as her life goes. Easy to find, confirm her to be like most other intelligent people. No mention of t he occult, a large portion of her blog is concerned with her intelligence getting in front of her happiness and her diagnosed depression, and her frustration over her laziness and depression. Multiple mentions of how scared she was of other people, how much she liked/disliked the internet as her only social outlet. What smart person these days wouldnt write about that in a blog?

      • swiftfoxmark2 says:

        What twitter accounts? Where did you find any of this?

      • Nicolynn says:

        Now, what she's posted is absolutely normal. I'm fairly similar. I'm dorky, a loner, never quite fit in. Sweetheart, always reaching out to lonely ppl. Quiet, smart, outgoing, passionate, lazy, depressed when i spend TOO much time alone, anxious, a perfectionist, stubborn, rebellious. Normal right?

        No one really knows me though, I don't let many ppl in. My dad spent his whole life with me & still sees me as a naive ditz… He doesn't know me and never really has.

        It's easy to pretend and hide certain parts of who you are, even in front of the people closest to you. Especially when they live in their own world & expect you to be a certain way. They're blind fools.

        When I was 9, i tried to contact demons. On more than 1 occasion, i physically became sick, b/c of it.

        At 16, I tried wicca, entertained spirtualism b/c my then bf was involved in it. I tried a spell, to make her angry. I stood in the kitchen with her and under my breath, rhymed a 4 line spell off the top of my head. She became pissed, out of NOwhere AND for no reason! (Which is simple black magic, btw but i didn't really think it'd work!!) It was the weirdest thing.

        I invited demons into my mom's place thinking they were ghosts. I couldn't stay with my mom after that. Too much oppression both physically and mentally. Granted, b/c she was emotionally abusive, it was hard for me to be alone w/ her anyway BUT it was more than that. It became mentally impossible for me to stay there, I felt like I was losing it, and I could feel and hear spirits there. I called one by name, and they moved something in my room. This happened more than once, at different times… mind you, i thought he was a ghost, not a demon. I got scared & casted it out..barely worked.

        17yo, I tried exercises to improve my intuitive abilities and woke in the middle of the night shaking uncontrollably, years later i found out that i was having a simple partial seizure. I literally could not stop shaking, my arms, my legs, my body, i cried, and shook so hard, i was scared it wouldn't end… I yelled for my mom, but I couldn't yell loud enough. After a lot of prayer and begging, i managed to stop long enough to realize i had to pee. i couldn't get out of bed, i had to roll onto the floor, couldn't stand up b/c i was too physically weak. I had to crawl to the bathroom and getting on the toilet was a fight too. Never happened before and never happened again after I stopped reading the "intuition" book.

        I've never been possessed. I've never seen demons (thank God,) though they've whispered in my ear, nonsensical/foreign languages. 5 years later and im still scared of silence.

        I'd never post that in my blog. I write about love, friends, work, former rela with Christ, current rela w/ Christ xD, college, family, never the occult. It's not something you want to share with the world, especially when your experience with it hasn't been pleasant. Especially when you have to keep up appearances…

        The only way someone would know I'm involved in spiritual things would be if they found my ebay account.. i used to sell tarot readings, i'm amazingly good at it. I always thought it was fake. Oddly enough, doing thAt doesn't make me sick… maybe b/c I needed the money? xD who knows.

        You never know who's doing what behind closed doors. EVER. Looks are SO deceiving. Don't be fooled.

      • ILY says:

        There are many levels of doing spiritual work. These negative entities are extremely yin and dark forces — whereas intuitive channeling you do through tarot is not likely the same kind of thing. You can use the same gifts and ability to access higher spirits/your own guides … etc. When you purify your energy to higher levels you're less susceptible to these types of negative attacks. Look into it.

      • Katie says:

        In the 90's when I was in my 20's, witches got popularized with movies and shows like Charmed, The Craft, Samantha the Teenage Witch, Practical Magic, etc. Paganism seemed to really gain some interest and a lot of people I knew were getting into Wicca or other Pagan studies. I was interested in Wicca and started to study Scott Cunningham, Ray Buckland, Starhawk, Z Budapest, Laurie Cabot, etc. Friends were passing around books amongst each other and it was more of a trendy thing to do, than a real deep spiritual calling. I did the worst thing a person can do, and that is, become a dabbler. Because I don't care to go into the whole story, I will in brief say that it almost destroyed my life and family. I will never go that way again. Yes, demons are real, and if you start inviting them in, they will show up. With that said, I see witches becoming a trendy thing again, the same way it did in the 90's, with American Horror story's new season, Coven.

      • Nick says:

        *Sabrina

      • Peep says:

        If you look at her tumblr, she posted a pic of the Hermit (Look at Feb 2013)
        I watched something which mentioned this has something to do with the occult, cant remember what though

      • shli says:

        weird becuz febuary 2013 isw hen this haoppened o.o

    • mombyrd50 says:

      Swiftfoxmark2 – being introduced or involved with some type of an 'occult' activity is not a prerequitiste to a demonic "attachment (or attraction)". One doesn't necessarily need to be "possessed" but can be "afflicted" by a negative (evil) energy intermittently.

    • chocoman says:

      I was stuck in an elevator once in my apartment building in Manhattan. I was surprised to learn that the security guard at the entrance had complete control over it. He asked my on the emergency telephone at what floor I wanted to stop, and trolled me to the wrong one. Cool guy.

      Long story short I suspect an employee had the elevator on lock down until she step out. Spoke to her from his office but had to keep his finger on the button. Hens her hiding and looking for someone.

    • Shivan says:

      Wow, you weren't even there yet you can for sure state something "definitely supernatural" occurred.

      I love how people try to assert authority with their opinions because they think they have to be right, it's even more hilarious when someone who wasn't even there to experience it does it.

      Pseudo-science. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest anything paranormal exists. So why buy into it?

      • Brit says:

        Um, there is MOUNTAINS of evidence of the paranormal- video, photos, endless detailed accounts- it's arrogant people that think it needs to be proven to THEM to be real that say there is no evidence. You likely don't know anything about science OR the research of the paranormal.b

      • Goran says:

        By the way, you just did the exact same thing you chastised the poster for. GET off your high horse, Shivan. Clearly, you're not nearly as smart as you think.

  22. Marianne says:

    Out of ALL the articles I have read on this site, NEVER have I been so creeped out. That video has got to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. Wow.

    • Simone says:

      the most creeped out article I ever see in VC is the article about Miley Cyrus being pimped by the music industry, and the most disturbing was when I saw miley's answer to sinead in tweeter, it's all soo creepy!

  23. zin says:

    Hi VC – I just wanted to point out my own synchronicity with this article and an online experience from last week.

    I was reading about the "Dustin Paxton" case going on in Canada the other night. [Paxton brutally subjugated a victim for 18 months in a series of hotels while they maintained a movers business. His victim is permanently disfigured physically and emotionally as result. Google it if you can.]

    The news article had links below it that brought me to the Black Dahlia case, which then brought me to the Cleveland Torso case. [Believed to be linked.] I was severely disturbed that evening and the subject of human brutality has been leaving me quite morose for a few days afterward. I couldn't figure out why on earth the Dustin Paxton article I was reading would have links below it to the Black Dahlia case until reading this article.

    I wish to point out that Dustin Paxton carried out his sadistic reign over his victim in a series of hotels in flat country Canada.

    Thanks for your attention.

    • danidarko says:

      Strange. I was offered to write on whatever i chose for an encyclopedia entry, and all the choices were all cryptic murders, the black dahlia being one of them. eek. And ive been experiencing synchronocity all week, thinking of songs before they play or i see them posted on my news feed before someone else. Ive also seen two black cats this week. Not that im superstitious but i did think it was super ironic with all the synchronicity ive been experiencing.

      • Alicia says:

        I also saw two black cats this week however i'm not superstitious. I noticed something in the video. Took me a while to notice but I think I figured it out. The door stops from closing at 0:12 if you look very closely, it starts to close but doesn't. It LOOKS as if someone is standing in the doorway. But this is what i figured out, someone is outside the elevator and pushed the up and down button. Someone is playing a game with her. She is in raw fear. Right after the door doesn't close she panics. And then she checks outside the door to see if anyone is there. No one… but then she hears something and hides in the corner. Someone is waiting outside the door, stalking, maybe more than one person. I feel like it was an employee because they know where the camera is and she also had no way of getting into the tank herself. Also when she leaves the elevator it works perfectly fine. And at the end of the video 3:43 the elevator door opens onto another floor. The wallpaper being red and reminding me of the Shining. Whatever happened to this woman is being covered up but there are still little clues left behind. Something doesn't add up. She was definitely apart of some ritual. Thank you VC for sharing this case very creepy indeed.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Not for nothing, but it is a Mercury retrograde in Scorpio, indicating revelations dealing with death and occult themes.

      • John says:

        the mecury in my case it's on taurus. what does it mean?

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Mercury is in Scorpio right now, for the entire planet.

        "With Mercury retrograde in Scorpio, this is an excellent period for getting in touch with our instincts, motivations, and "dark" side. Emotional communication is not as valued as more rational approaches in our society, and now is the time to explore our more intimate and emotional natures and how these affect our decision making processes. Much of the astrology of 2013 in general encourages us to "tune in" in this manner. Increased sensitivity, or emotional "radar", is likely. We should watch that we don't get into a paranoid frame of mind, or read too much negativity into what others say."

        The question you ask requires me being a professional; unfortunately I am not one.

      • John says:

        hmmm well I'm going then to trust in God/Christ than some planets which are the creation of God.

      • Sunshine says:

        I saw two black cats sitting outside and looking at me very strange. When I came home about two hours later I opened my laptop and this is the first article I read. I am also a Scorpio and all this talk is kinda creepy to say the least.

    • Dorri says:

      "I'm fully committed to the regime of counselling and programming that is essential to my rehabilitation," he said.

      Programming…interesting choice of words there.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I am given to think that ritualistic abusers or serial killers are more tied to the military industrial complex than we assume. We continue to place the blame on "evil" but what if its mostly programming?

      • D D d says:

        And the militairy industry has from the start been a tool for the rich and powerful.

  24. Nadia says:

    I'd say that she was possessed. She could have dabbled in the dark arts and got possessed. She was obviously not acting normal.

    • Meggles says:

      I agree that she was possessed, although I don't think she dabbled or anything. I think that young women are lured to this place (whether by a person or a dark force) and killed by something supernatural. Poor girl. Just my thoughts on it.

    • Emmanuel says:

      I am a Puertorican…..when we talk, we move our hands a lot….more than what she did…..

    • isanyoneheresane says:

      Yes of course. Only logical explanation. Woman acts strangely, presses all the buttons on the elevator and the doors don't close. Obviously demonic possession. There is no other possible explanation.

      I'd say that you are possessed by the spirit of a gullible moron.

      Oh and to all the idiots "seeing" dark spirits in the video… try watching any very low-res online video such as this and watch those all those creepy "dark spirits". Or as those of us with at least one foot in the sane world call them, compression artifacts!

  25. zin says:

    ah yeah – i almost forgot to ask

    what would take Lam from beautiful Vancouver to the skids of LA? I thought the whole "move to hollywood/make it big" cliche died away with the success of the Internet over pop media.

    • Bun says:

      That's kind of an ignorant thing to say, sorry. I have a girlfriend in her early 20's who just moved to LA as a work transfer/bartender. She doesn't have aspirations to act or 'make it big' she just wants the experience and the warmer weather. LA attracts plenty of tourists as well. It seems pretty clear something sinister happened here, can anyone confirm she checked into that hotel herself?

      • zin says:

        you obviously haven't been to Vancouver. the standards of living there are utmost in comparison to the post-apocalyptic nature of LA. at least that is a common assumption for most of my Canadian kind. Can't speak for amaryllis though.

      • amaryllis says:

        I agree with you to some extent – my Canadian relatives loved everything about their upbringing – they were just looking for a lot more of the weird and wonderful

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Natalie Portman just moved there (or has public plans to, at least) because that's where art is being made as opposed to being bought (as in New York). At least that's what she said.

    • amaryllis says:

      My Canadian cousins dreamed of LA for most of their childhood and once the opportunity arose, they were on the first plane out.

    • Orwell's mentor says:

      @zin:

      I'm glad someone is actually asking this question, which is a good one I might add. All articles I've read state she was a UBC student, so why was she in LA and/or why was she at this particular hotel? Was she staying there? Was she visiting someone? Did her curiosity get the better of her, and she wanted to see what the hotel was like inside?

      The only thing I've read about the parents is they're suing the hotel for her drowning, but has anyone asked them why their daughter was at this sketchy dive to begin with?

      It's all a too bizarre and things just don't add up.

      • amaryllis says:

        Perhaps I am not too old to remember that students of that age like taking risks and taking themselves off to unknown places quite randomly. I certainly did

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I mean, shes 21. I did stuff at 21 Id never do now, about 10 years older.

        Lets say she was on a budget, and that dictated her hotel choices. Doesnt jive with her skin care regimen (VERY expensive products), and her declaration that the older she gets, the more disposable income she has. Then why check into such a budget place? And where was her disposable income from? Girl could barely make it to CLASS – no way did she have a job.

      • Orwell's mentor says:

        @ amaryllis:

        Yes, I understand what you're saying. When one's in their early 20s, they feel as though they can take on the world and they're invincible. I understand and appreciate that.

        Even if that was the case, why are her actions so bizarre? If she is there by happenstance, then why didn't she take the stairs to the main lobby and leave the hotel? While we're at it, why did she press ALL the buttons to every floor? Why didn't she just press the main lobby if she's really trying to elude herself from something? Maybe I'm being over analytical, but I noticed she didn't even have a purse…of course her ID/wallet could've been in one of her pockets.

        As I mentioned before, WHAT was the REASON for her being in LA? All we're being told is she was a student from UBC, was found in a water tank on top of a hotel two weeks after her death in a hotel where murders resided – that's it.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        She pressed 4 or 5 buttons (one of them being the 14th floor, the one she was on) and there are 15 floors.

      • Orwell's mentor says:

        * murderers – oops, my bad.

      • amaryllis says:

        Well, if it was a one night stop she may have forgotten her room number and would have hoped to recognise her floor by sight as there was nobody to ask at reception and (for unknown reasons) she was disorientated. I have been in a situation where I am relieved that people are getting off on different floors to one another so I can have a quick peek out and recognise the right floor by, say, the fire extinguisher or skylight. It is easy to be shown up with your luggage, dump the said luggage, go out, and come back having forgotten where the hell that room was.

      • random plebe says:

        Question: if she was on the fourteenth floor, was it *actually* the thirteenth? Plenty of hotels number their floors from twelfth to fourteenth (omitting a thirteenth floor), to avoid having a floor of empty rooms due to leery customers not wanting to stay on the thirteenth floor.

      • random plebe says:

        Nevermind – it was actually the thirteenth. A youtuber uploaded a video of his visit to the Cecil, and films a shot of the buttons in the elevator near the end of the video. The buttons go from 12 to 14:
        /watch?v=IgUBjxE-oec

    • Gem says:

      Well according to some reports, she was actually supposed to make her way to another part of California…I forget which exact city so perhaps she was making a pit stop at this hotel? It would make sense because seeing as she was only staying for a short while to sleep, she probably didn't want to spend a lot of money on a hotel. Unfortunately, it happened to be this ominous hotel….

      • mombyrd50 says:

        Yes and if you are looking for a hotel in a strange city (online or on phone) how many are going to boast their bad history, or crappy decor when charging $65 a night in LA. Even people in the states (might) think that a red-flag. naaaahhhh …

      • sittingcoffin says:

        She, supposedly, wanted hostel prices for her 4 city tour.

    • yoo says:

      Just necaus vancouvers a nice city doesnt mean you can never leave and experience other parts of the world.

    • Mike says:

      You mean 'Supernatural BC'?

      Don't kid yourself, Vancouver has more than its fair share of Satanic activity..

  26. theseeker says:

    I will share this article with others for sure.

  27. marcu says:

    the most disturbing stuff i've ever seen….

  28. Pow says:

    the elevator video is creepy. Is it me or at the end of the video there seems to appear some kind of mist or light fog? By the way, I heard a teaching by an ex-satanist that around Halloween time, many children go missing because they are kidnapped for human sacrifice on Halloween day. Please parents keep your children close!!

    • D D d says:

      That mist you mention is, to me, the glare of the lighting on the plastic cap/lense of the camera.

    • Carol says:

      I saw this mist aswell

    • Rissa says:

      ….and black cats. My black outdoor male kitten was just kidnapped. Or catnapped, rather. No doubt in time for Samhain. I have a witch that lives 2 doors down. No lie, the first time I met her while out jogging, she openly told me about her wiccan beliefs. I am just floored! If only she knew what she was conjuring up!

      • Alexandra says:

        I know around here pet stores do not want to sell any black cats they have right before Halloween. My husband and I didn't have to ask why; we already figured that out.

      • Meghan says:

        Your neighbor having wigan beliefs doesn't have anything to do with your cat missing, I assure you. And being wigan is FAR from being satanic. Don't be ignorant. If you're not sure what it's about then Google it and read about it, or better yet, ask your neighbor about it!

      • hvns says:

        Meghan Wait what? do we not know what being a wiccan means?

      • Queen says:

        I actually read that satanists prefer white cats instead of black…can't remember why though…

      • decaff says:

        You have very little knowledge about Wicca. Their motto is to do no harm.

    • Alexandra says:

      You better believe I keep an eye on my son. In fact if we walk anywhere in the afternoon, I try to have us home before it gets dark, around 6:30-7 pm.

      October is a bad month to be walking around from what I understand.

      • amaryllis says:

        Yes me too, we like to be home before dark at any cost really. So different to my childhood where we would be driving around the city at the oddest hours of the night attending activities that were probably fulfilling the needs of the adults almost exclusively.

    • hvns says:

      We much rather not to celebrate halloween at all. Unholy day of the spirits and sacrifices.

  29. Robert Rod says:

    Dark Water Film Release Date
    27. Juni 2005 = 2+7+6+2+5 = 22

    DID YOU NEED MORE PROOF ????????????????

    • Robert Rod says:

      I have the answer:

      Helen Gurnee,October 22, 1954. – 2+2+1+1+9+5+4 = 22
      Pauline Otton October 12, 1962. – 1+2+1+1+9+6+2 = 22
      Julia Moore February 11, 1962. – 2+1+1+1+9+6+2= 22
      Pigeon ” Osgood, June 4, 1964. – 6+4+1+9+6+4 = 30

      Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly.

      PS: Pigeon-Osgood? What? The pigeon is not the symbol of peace its guide us one more time to Saturn (please research)

      65 = 6+5 = 11 / 90 feet below

      3 – 6 – 9 THESE number are Saturnnumbers
      Tesla says: "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe

      On the elevator-video we see clearly the SATURN-SYMBOLIC on the floor.
      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bv833U_XQz8/UNiXFMkytCI

      Than you have the SATURN-BLACK-CUBE IN THE ELEVATOR – golden edged

      And you must all know that SATURN is SATAN. On the new Oblivion movie with Tom Cruise. Look, open your mind and see…

      • Robert Rod says:

        This is right: Helen Gurnee,October 22, 1954. – 1+2+2+1+9+5+4 = 24 *

        Pauline Otton, 27,jumped from a ninth floor window – 2+7 = 9 / jumped from the 9 floor window

        And notice the two pillars. Thats symbolize the 9/11 World Trade Center .. no, this it really symbolize –
        https://i3.sndcdn.com/artworks-000058181873-v5jdn

      • Truth says:

        good… i was about to comment on this. but you left out the second piece robert!

        "Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband, on October 12, 1962. Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly."

        Pauline Otton 27………. 2 + 7 = 9
        George Gianinni 65….. 6 + 5 = 11

      • Darian says:

        Elisa Lam=5+3+9+1+1+3+1+4=27=9

    • Deer Park says:

      Yeah. Except it's a remake. The *original* Japanese movie, Honogurai mizu no soko kara (Dark Water), was released on 19th January, 2002. 1+9+1+2+2 = 15. And you can make numbers add up to whatever the hell you want.

    • roncitrus says:

      yes please, more proof.

    • jdawg says:

      More proof of what? I'm sorry but without explaining what 22's significance relative to this, adding numbers up doesn't even suggest anything, let alone prove it.

      • jennadestined says:

        Yeah you'd need to have a grasp on numerology and the elite's favorite numbers to even understand. And obviously, you don't.

  30. sumarianqueen says:

    sleepwalking?

    • Nokids says:

      come on, who waves their arms around like that in their sleep, besides would't she have been dressed in sleep attire?

      • Bob says:

        I've slept walked quite a few times and have done some wierd stuff like iron clothes and wander around hotels. You cannot simply discount it. Doesn't explain how she got into the tank though but neither does being possessed. There had to be another party involved. One of these "transients" could have found her sleepwalking and raped her and threw her in the tank.

      • Jamie says:

        Is the iron plugged in Bob?

      • sumarianqueen says:

        come on,,,,,, sleepwalkers do ?

        They do a heck of strange stuff as they are dreaming , waving the arms are the least strange thing they could do , do you have some set idea of what sleepwalking involves ? Youtube it !

      • Alexis says:

        You can do a lot of things while sleepwalking. Your brain normally paralyzes your body so that you don't imitate certain motions that you dream about. That part of her brain (specifically in the brainstem) could have been damaged and allowed her to move in her sleep. The article doesn't show anything about brain damage reports . The only "strange" part that seems unexplainable is the elevator that doesn't seem to close while she's in it.

    • amaryllis says:

      Who, the victim, the perpetrator or half the newly acquired readership on here??

    • Sophie says:

      I was found trying to lock myself in the freezer after removing all the food and stuffing my duvet in there….

  31. Meggles says:

    Um this scared the crap out of me. Seriously the scariest thing I've ever read or watched on this website.

  32. Ray says:

    This was clearly a case of demonic possession. Demons can make you harm or kill others, or even yourself. I think that explains the many murders and suicides in that hotel – evidently a hub of evil paranormal activity. Also, the manner in which this case was disclosed by the media and authorities (ie no foul play and she was just someone with mental issues) really speaks volumes. They know more than the rest of us do and are covering it up. The institutions have been taken over by evil. What is so eerie about this particular case is the connection to the Dark Water movie. Predictive programming. "Hidden in plain sight." Poor woman. God knows what torment she went through before her demise.

    • shawni says:

      I didn't suspect possession until I saw her hands move. They seemed to bend upwards? Didn't know look normal.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I imagine you could make those hand movements under a lot of disassociative drugs, but according to the autopsy, there were none.

      • amaryllis says:

        I have seen both druggies and mentally ill people do this very frequently indeed. It seems as though it has escaped the attention of many people even though I would say it is the most common thing I have seen them do.

      • OneDay says:

        You do realize that both "druggies and mentally ill people" are in a certain way influeced by a demonic spririt right? Why do you think satanist use drugs in their practices, because its much easier for the soul and spirit to be more susceptible to demonic possesion or demonic influence of some sort. Well, this is what I understood from this book I read from author, Fritz Springmeier. Mentally ill people is nothing more than demonic influence, maybe not full on possesion on all of them but yes some sort of control over their mental and physical state!! Just my own opinion on things!! Nevertheless I know a MAN that can set people free of these situations, even when most choose not to believe in Him, he is real and will one day be recognized throughout the world!!!

        GBY'all!

      • Nickbennettc says:

        It's pretty silly to attribute all mental illness and drug abuse to possession, even if you believe in such things. It's been well established that people have different brain chemistry. It can be as simple as not being able to produce enough dopamine. Which is a pretty mundane explanation, but proven. So, to say, "mentally ill people is nothing more than demonic influence", is kind of silly. You might want to pick up a book that wasn't written a couple of thousand years ago. We've made a lot of progress since then.

        That being said, it's an incredibly disturbing article and case. Something is clearly very OFF, in that video. I guess Occam's Razor dictates that she was mentally ill, suffering from a delusion, and somehow made her way to the tank and died. But, that just isn't very convincing.

      • Gladys says:

        We are not experts at the subject, nonetheless the mentally ill don't react badly towards Holy things. The demonized ones do. They react badly, they curse, they spread unholy blasphemes. You know only if those people come in contact with certain holy things.

      • Gladys says:

        spread unholy, blasphemous sentences

      • iamschimiggy says:

        We need the Winchester brothers to investigate.

      • Mits says:

        What disturbed me was after the morbid marionette hand gesture it looked like she was trying to break her own fingers. Shes clearly bending them back. To me she appears to be controlled as a test run on an animatronic puppet before rolling. Like someone has a remote control linked to her. As for disassociative drugs, i doubt the med examiner would be testing for any. First course of action is illicet drugs then psych neuro meds in treating a mental illness or chemical imbalance. I could be wrong. Its a big wtf.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        I don't know. Not that we can assume any of the reports were correct, but lets say they were – if there was a massive amount of cough meds or cold meds in her system, theyd be seen. A powerful dissociative like dxm is easily available over the counter, but that should show up on a toxicology test. Well, they should barring whatever soaking in water for days could do to the body, anyway. Speaking as someone that has taken enough disassociatives to make such hand motions, I can tell you theres no way I could also have walked around like that.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      This is clearly a dispatch site regardless of the existence of demons.

    • hvns says:

      Notgoingto tellyou Sure. No ghosts or spirits or God or demons… Ohhh how familiar all that sounds!
      One thing is real is total brainwashing to separate us from harsh reality. We are guest in dark spiritual spot of the universe.

  33. lili says:

    ok i think this is the strangest story iv ever read…

  34. Marozia says:

    Clearly a ritual murder. Evil pervades that entire hotel and poor Elisa was infected with it.
    Funny thing, when I first saw her name on the news (strange for me to watch, I know), I immediately thought of tuberculosis. As I work in the medical industry these kits are used often.
    May Elisa rest in peace.

  35. Curious says:

    At 2:57, when the elevator closes after Elisa leaves, it seems to start with a violent lurch from the doorway. Perhaps this is a strange skip in the tape but I thought it was odd because when you see the door close later at 3:22, it closes softly and slowly like it's meant to.

    • korbinpheenix says:

      yep! the tape definitely jumps frame!

    • Sue says:

      I noticed that too, almost like the footage had been edited.

    • Alexandra says:

      At 3:22?

      322?

      Wow.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      The film is slowed down to 66.6% speed….. I'm not even saying that to make an occult point I don't even know if that math is right…… I just know that the footage has to be raised to 133% speed to mirror real time flow…. they slowed the footage down and at one point there is 54 seconds taken out of the footage after the door finally closes…. and many other frame skips and missing time slots…. not to mention the intentionally blurred time stamps

    • pebs says:

      I saw that too, but I was sure that the tape was being manipulated. There's something we shouldn't see…. maybe…

    • Hmmm.. says:

      The coronor report could have said that she commited suicide, I guess they screwed up by saying it was an "accidental death." How can someone fall into a water tank accidently? She's been murdered no doubt. And "SOMEONE has messed with the tapes.

  36. Jelena says:

    In some cultures, dead body water is used for powerful black magic that involves targeted person become sick and may die. Residents were drinking and showering with that water? That is INSANE!

    • ean says:

      I have thought alot about this! I've noticed references to cannibalism lately with Monsanto using human DNA in some of the seeds they're developing. Thank you for explaining the significance, Jelena.

      • Jelena says:

        Synomyx, artificial sweetener or flavor enhancer is made of aborted human fetus. Since I don't believe in everyting I read, I asked university professor od chemistry and biohemistry about that. He was shocked!
        This is forced cannibalism in it's glory.

      • Jelena says:

        Sorry, Senomyx is the name of company that make those cannibal flavour.

      • ean says:

        Shit! Just plain disgusting! Don't know about the sweeteners in my country – probably the same, just a different brand name :/
        (I still haven't watched the video – it has a too dark feel to it for me.)
        So we are all part of their black magic for real now? The only thing we can do is love! As an antidot for all the evil…
        Thanks again Jelena for opening my eyes to this.

      • amaryllis says:

        As are some of the vaccines we pump into children – dead children pumped into live children right from the start. We don't stand a chance of exclusively retaining our own dna throughout our lives … blood donation, organ donation, vaccines, food contamination

      • ean says:

        That makes me paranoid for real!

    • amaryllis says:

      Yes, also links into the dead Indians being cremated and throwing their ashes into the Ganges river

    • Free Thinker says:

      Actually in my town many years ago at least 1 dead baby or fetus was found at our water facility in or on a main pipe.. It was traced to some local group of satanists.. We drink our own rain water these days! Disgusting…

    • mike says:

      yes there is definitely a skip in the tape. you can see the time code jump a few seconds. thats odd

  37. Dylan Barrett says:

    I wonder if the hotel staff are in on it, the fact that it seems as if the person doing security could see her on camera and probably hear her and held the doors for staff to get there…. the staff knew not to walk in front of the cameras….. there is no mention of why she was there or who she was with….. or why no one mentioned the taste or colour of the water on the news report….. if her clothes were off were they piled on the ground, thrown about the roof, missing entirely…. I wonder if some of the other deaths were of people who found out that staff might be running some secret underground stuff to keep them in business…. I woman staying there hears a lady scream finds out staff are helping elitist people commit ritualistic murders…. lady gets thrown out the window……. the whole thing is written up by crooked cops and payed off coroners as a suicide….. Elisa Lam was probably drugged and prepped for a ritualistic murder till she escaped and staff needed to keep things under control without getting caught……..

    ( the hotel has a very 'cabin in the woods' feel…. very Zaza room 322 )

    I wouldn't jump to conclusions about possessions or alien abductions…… I would however take a long hard look at the control these elitist societies have and the type of secret establishments and underground communities they have already built…….

    for every building they build in plain sight I would count on at-least 5 more in secret…….

    • creeped out says:

      Exactly…great post.

      Someone else in the hotel had to be in on it and controlling the elevator (not necessarily regular staff though). It seems like she is trying to hide and escape from someone…but the elevator is manipulated so she can't get off the floor. Then it seems like she is talking to someone else in the hallway and gesturing to show them that the door won't close.

      • brad says:

        Yes but it would be someone she has known for maybe two or three days as she, seems to be explaining something to them and then, they may have said something like "let's go down stairs and get theb hotel mamnagment to check it out."

      • SBreezy says:

        …But why does she immediately bend over and start pushing all the buttons in the beginning??

    • mombyrd50 says:

      Dylan you're a buzz-kill….

    • Jon says:

      Agreed, i can't believe they ruled this an accidental death

    • Declan says:

      It says she has no trace of drugs. The staff probably have something to do with this though, there must be a rational explanation, but I'm just trying to not scare myself haha!

    • DownTheRabbitHole says:

      Dylan, I agree with your assessment more-so than the demonic angle.

      Instead, it comes off to me after some consideration that she could be a mind-controlled victim. Ever read about the game one of our VPOUS supposedly liked to play? "The Most Dangerous Game"? It nearly seems to me this could be what was going on, ending in sacrifice.

  38. marc says:

    i was supposedly going to the bathroom before i read this hmmm i dont think so now. this article really creeped me out. her behavior in the elevator shows that she not herself, she maybe was possessed or very scared of someone that made her all jittery and weird. aside from that i dont know.

  39. Desarae says:

    I've read almost all of your articles…. but um this has to be the top story to give me goosebumps! I read the article first and thought "Okay, strange things happen to people" but I freaked when she was moving her hands (1:57) and acting as if she is talking to someone. She didn't seem fearful (to me) but jumping as if it was a child. I don't know and people drank the water! I would emotionally scarred if I knew this. This is so awful but something is horribly horribly wrong!

  40. creeped out says:

    I totally agree there is something supernatural and demonic at work there…however that is not the only possible explanation for what happened. Someone may have been watching her on the security camera and manipulating the elevator to prevent her from escaping the floor she was on.

    Was this the ONLY camera that recorded her? Surely not…there may have been other footage that would more fully explain what happened…but we are shown THIS footage because it makes her seem delusional or drugged.

    When she stepped out of the elevator, and waved her hand inside the entrance, at first it looks like she is testing to see if she can trigger a sensor to make the door close. And explaining to someone else in the hallway that it will not close.

    • frank says:

      True. if theres a camera in the elevator theyll have cameras in front in back looking down the halls.

    • echo says:

      You make some good points.

    • nume says:

      also too, most hotels have a camera in the hallway. Where is other footage of this woman?

    • Tatiana says:

      but how could she explain to someone that the door wouldnt close when you dont see anybody else but her.

    • ChristinaL30 says:

      Yes, it looked to me like she was describing to someone down the hall how she had tried repeatedly to get the elevator to move; I have an 18-y-o Asian classmate from Cali who often gesticulates like that when she talks — not drugs or demonic influence, just a mannerism. I wonder what may have been caught on other surveillance video; if she was on the top floor (judging by the order in which the elevator floor lights turn off once it starts moving), why would she have gone UP the stairs, since she was more likely trying to take the elevator DOWN? There's more to this story — so very much more — and I just hope & pray the police keep investigating, and get justice for this young woman.

  41. James says:

    Those hand movements are definitely inhuman – whether it be MKULTRA or Satanism – something extremely nefarious is going on in and around that slimy hotel. I feel bad for her – however she met her end – it was most certainly very scary.

    • amaryllis says:

      They are weird but not massively so. The way people speak about her is as though she is going completely ape. That is patently not true is it:?

      • scott oneill says:

        no, if you run through the ways your arms can twist from shoulders down to wrists you will see what she did
        i run through many similar routines daily to keep my body limber
        look at dancers from medieval china and fiji tonga samoa dancers
        these are not abnormal movements, the way she is running through them reminds me of the way some people will crack their knuckles or grip their own hands to calm down or release tension

    • MistaX says:

      MK/ULTRA is satanism.

    • Chris says:

      Her hand movement seems normal. She was clearly distraught and her hand movement showed that. It was as she was asking Why? or How? and then when she had one had over the other it was as she was counting or giving reasons. It's not uncommon for people to talk with her hands. Take into account how we use our hands when we talk, most of the time we don't realize our movements. The strange part was when she first started talking, she was looking down as if she was talking to a small person or a child. Her hands were poised as "put this over" or "put this on top" considering she was found in a tank. The creepy part wasn't her hand movements but it was her actions in general. The elevator wouldn't move and there was nobody there or as least refused to get in. She was looking for somebody or something. Many might not believe it but I think she maybe had mental problems which often will either open some body up to the ability to communicate with what we can't see or it's caused by that what we can't see.

      • drestur says:

        There is also another part in the video I noticed that no one has mentioned yet. when she first steps out, before the unsual hand movement, she had both her hands on her head as if something came over her and she seems out of it or like a lost of energy. Explain or comment back.

  42. Anouk says:

    The more I watch the elevator tape the scarier it gets… I feel so bad for this girl…

  43. Chrissy Vee says:

    Something makes me think someone drugged her and messed with her head (chasing or pursuing her through the hotel) before they stripped and killed her. She looked like she was hiding from somebody. I also saw the mist but was thinking maybe it was just poor tape quality. Ver4y creepy indeed.

    • creeped out says:

      yes I agree! And someone controlled the elevator so she couldn't use it to get away.

    • ADSA says:

      I think the same thing. When she first backs into the elevator and sneaks out to peek around then hurys back in against the corner it almost looksl ike she has a smile on her face. I felt as though she were playing a friendly game of hide and seek. but then she started acting funny like some kind of drug had set in. It seems like after 2 weeks in a water tank that and drug traces would be flushed out of the system.

      • Ruby says:

        At the beginning of the video, when she first enters the elevator, nothing seems urgent. She seems calm, not like she's running away from anything. For me, the first strange thing is the amount of floor buttons she pushes (I can't tell if she pushes them all, but several floor lights DO light up, regardless)… I feel like this is why the door would not shut — perhaps she jammed it.

        I think the theory that she was drugged, chased, and drug traces were gone after two weeks in the tank makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that if they have this little bit of surveillance, they have NOTHING else? I don't buy it. I hope every single employees is THOROUGHLY investigated.

  44. amaryllis says:

    Strange that the article has provoked some really strong reactions – I am not feeling any such fear; I only feel sad for the loss of life of a beautiful, young girl really. If there were strange things happening in the lift then that could easily be due to the fact that her time was up.

    Death is ALWAYS a highly esoteric experience even as described in Abramic traditions as your soul is taking off and your body does not give it up without a struggle especially in such circumstances – basically, things 'happen' all around the person in question just before, during and for a long time afterwards. Lots of strange things. She definitely died in a gruesome way but she was still going to die at that point in time regardless of how. Mostly, the experience is not captured on CCTV.

    Coupled with the fact that the place is full of spirits and there is a whole Greystone subtext to it all,, other strange things would have been happening concurrently. look up the curse of the Coq d'Argent restaurant in the City of London which is built on the site of an ancient burial site and has had a string of suicides off it's rooftop.

    Rooftops in themselves are esoterically important, of course, especially when coupled with water (though this is usually rain). Think of that scene in Mary Poppins when they are dancing on the roof under umbrellas and the symbolic interpretation of it. Water tanks are much like umbrellas in that respect so need little introduction either. Rooftops are a common site for ritual including initiation. Hence, Madonna publicising the fact that she was r**ed on a rooftop before she hit the big time, the restaurant which I mentioned before, and the fact that Richard Branson has named one of his restaurants 'Rooftop Babylon' and loads of debauchery takes place there, not to mention routine satanic practices taking place in rooftop swimming pools at private members clubs in every desirable playground city of the world.

  45. amaryllis says:

    If you are dealing with a c**p lift, you may well press all the buttons in a bid to make it work at all if that is known to be the way to get it operating again. If she had gone mad then she was probably talking to a voice inside her head and/or hallucinating which explains at least some of it. I have no idea how she would have got inside the water tank other than the fact that alarm systems are often poorly maintained in large buildings (especially seedy hotels) and it may not have been working and it would not be in their interests to declare.

    • SBreezy says:

      This is my BIGGEST question. HOW did she get into the water tank if they had to cut it open to get her out of there, and where were her clothes?

      • DamonPee says:

        To play Devil's Advocate (pun somewhat intended) to the foul play/dark forces theories, what we now know is this:

        - She had been staying at the hotel, so presumably had a good idea as to how the elevator worked. A blogger from China recently visited the Curtis and showed that the lift doors were slow to close after pressing several floor buttons.

        - The same blogger managed to use an accessible fire escape to get up to the roof without tripping any alarms. So we know that was possible a few weeks ago, suggesting it was maybe also possible when Elisa Lam found herself up there several months earlier.

        - We haven't seen anything definitive (I don't think) on whether it's possible or not for a person to open one of the water tanks on the roof and climb in, and crucially, what the water level was in the tank she was in – and if it would have been possible for to get into to it but difficult to get back out.

        - What about her clothes? Speculation – she stripped down and threw them off the roof.

        I'm not saying any of this is definitive proof that she died by her own hand (suicide/accident), but it seems the LAPD explanation is at least plausible.

  46. amaryllis says:

    Hotels are creepy places in general, I accept that. Many suspicious celebrity deaths take place in them (pretty much since the start of the rock and roll movement). They offer an environment compatible with the transhumanist philosophy where mess/problems/bodies have the potential to be blasted out of existence as part of an assembly line process and each individual case is small enough to be absorbed within the grand overall scheme. Hotels can double up as programming facilities/brothels and various other things. they are strange places.

    • nume says:

      I totally agree. I always feel uneasy in them.

    • Lovenotfear says:

      Was thinking the same thing about hotels too. They give me the creeps bc u are mostly most of the time alone in them which make accessible targets.

  47. Alex says:

    something is wrong with the video. look at the timer running at the bottom. short before the door closes for the first time it stops three times for about a second (between 2:53 and 2:58). it never does that in the rest of the video. furthermore the elevator door is not closing smoothly the first time, there's seems to be a little 'jump' when it begins to close at 2:57. so I think someone has manipulated the video and has stitched to videos together. one from the day it wasn't working and one after it got repaired. Even if not, she walks out of the elevator the last time at 1:48, the doors close at 2:57, that is more than a minute! she never stays in the elevator more than 30 seconds. what if there's just a bug in the electronics, that keeps the doors open for too long?
    So what is left is left here, is just a confused(bi-polar) girl and a broken elevator. I honestly cannot see Satan or any dark mysteries here…

    • Anonymous says:

      Finally, one other sane person. I noticed this as well. In addition she is moving her arms through the door testing the sensors and then turning to talk to someone off camera. If I had to guess I would say that one of the employees of the hotel most likely in security or management is the killer. being that they need access to the security system and rooftop.

      • Kelsey says:

        I agree. Now that I watch it again, it looks as if she's talking to someone who OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to be shown on camera. And why are we only seeing the elevator footage? There has to be security cameras in the hallways. How come we couldn't see THAT footage too?

        I think she was murdered.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        There doesnt have to be security cameras anywhere, and especially not in a hotel where this stuff is regular practice. "Sorry, officers, we dont use video cameras in our hotel." "Thats alright, less evidence to solve this crime with!"

      • Tabitha says:

        My thoughts exactly. I thought it could be someone keeping the elevator from closing in the security room. And to get to the roof top, you have to have a key, plus an alarm goes off so the only people who could even get there is an employee. Not to mention that the water tank also needs a key which an employee would have. And what is fucked is I don't even think they questioned any of the employee's.

      • Shiloh says:

        agree…someone may have told her to use the stairs and then abducted her. I doubt she went into the water tank herself.

    • anonymous says:

      right. i believe there is more into this than what the video and coincidences suggest. No one should jump to a conclusion just yet, especially since a life was taken here.

    • vig jr. says:

      How the hell did she get into the water tank that the fire department had to SAW into in order to retrieve the body?!…..DICK

      • sittingcoffin says:

        There might never have been a body. There might just be news reports and a staged performance in the elevator, as well as staged interviews.

      • amaryllis says:

        I am sure that those people are not her real family either and she has been handed this name, this identity to fulfil the role of her sacrifice.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Supposedly going to a University that houses the Center for TB research and brings that very plague with her to LA? hmm

      • Anders says:

        That's fucking interesting man… that's fucking interesting.

      • walter says:

        They're gonna kill that poor woman!!

      • jdawg says:

        Do you people always jump to the least likely explanation every time? It's things like this that make people think all conspiracy theorists are crazy.

      • Tabitha says:

        What do you think would have been the reason to have something like that staged? I am quite aware that they do stage sh*t like this to worry people, but why this story? Just to f*ck with everyone?
        I don't know.. To me it more seems like some really bad sneaky people doing their damn best to cover everything up. Not to mention all of the other deaths at the hotel.

      • Tim says:

        The entrance to the water tank could be really small, just enough to fit or be forced into it. Then rigor mortis would have set in while she was in the tank. If she locks in a position much bigger than the original entrance she is going to have to be cut out of there. Always a much simpler explanation than fantastical bullshit like half this article

      • quipstad says:

        Most of that is true, however rigor mortis sets in over the first 12 hours and then dissipates over the following 48 hours. After 2 days she would not be stiff anymore. That is temporary.
        Essentially what is happening after death is all your muscles, internal and external, contract to their maximum capacity, essentially stiffening the body like you could do voluntarily. In death however, it's automatic due to minerals and enzymes and their reaction with muscles after death. The enzymes eventually break down the muscle tissue causing the body to relax again.

      • PickoDetreba says:

        finally someone with a bit of sense, of course they will cut it, the aren't going to pull her from tiny-winy whole, nobody said the container was sealed shut!

      • DamonPee says:

        Right. If the entry point at the top of the tank was pretty small, draining the tank and cutting a large hole to get the body out would be the way better/less messy/preserve-the-evidence method at hand than trying to hoist a bloated, decomposing body out through the top.

      • pebs says:

        true, isn't the rigor mortis setting in even faster when a body is in the water. plus when the water is warm (and it sure is when on the roof of a house in LA)….?

    • Don'tDrinkTheKoolAid says:

      Right. I'm kind of surprised at all of the people freaking out on here…there are so many things faked in media, as is discussed on this site, yet many are believing that this video is 100% real. My belief is that it is probably not. As you said, something doesn't seem quite right with this footage, and if the whole Sandy Hook thing could be faked, then so could this little video…interesting that both events relate to sacrifice. Interesting also that the girl is wearing red and black, satanic colors. She could very well be an actress with the name "Elisa Lam" tacked onto her. If they could make a "Dark Water" movie, why not make a little elevator vid to traumatize the public and "add power" to their ritual? The person in the tank–if there even was a person in there (no bio hazards found)–could have been a Jane/John Doe no one will ever hear the light of day about. Maybe, just maybe, the sacrifice took place somewhere else completely. There's a big question as to how the water could have been black like hotel dwellers were claiming…well, maybe those were actors who were interviewed–after all, they had even more actors for Sandy Hook. And as for those who say they're terrified at this because it reminds them of a scary movie–yeah, think about that for a minute….Btw, the twerking vid was fake, too.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        There are photos of the rooftop scene, but I haven't found any where the tanks are cut open. Or what they did with all that "black water" – how did they get rid of it?

      • Tabitha says:

        I have not seen any photo's of the tank cut either, but they did say that they drained the water when they cut through it. I'm aware of fake stories to get everyone all worked up and scared, but I can't understand why they would do this one. Because with the staged shootings or bombings or whatever, that's for a reason. To make us scared, and they make it BIG news. And they give out most of the info about the guy or victims. But with this, there aren't really Any answers. It seems that there is a great number of people trying to cover this story up..

      • jdawg says:

        So he says he can't see anything related to satanic rituals and you start out agreeing with him then somehow jump to it being a satanic ritual. Holy shit, how did I get on this crazy person site??

      • WTF says:

        Uhhh ok. So wait a second. You believe that Sandy Hook was fake? Haha. No. I'm actually from there. It was definitely not fake.

      • D D d says:

        So, do you know everybody that's been interviewed? Are they from where c n n claimed they are?
        Can you explain all the smiling and humoring on and off camera by the grieving relatives?
        Can you explain the changing facts in the various interviews by those people? Why were the ambulances not where the wounded were expected, why were the ambulances stuck between and behind other vehicles, blocking them from driving. You see, a lot of questions give room for the theories you dismiss. And why did you use the ''haha''-phrasing – i would be offended and not in a haha-mood when i think about it.

      • Troy says:

        Not fake but very suspicious media reporting and interviews. Especially about the weapons used.

    • frieda says:

      ….what is left is the girl's corpse in a hard to get to water tower in a creepy hotel.

    • jdawg says:

      Thank you for not being another crazy that jumps to the most unlikely scenario. Rule of thumb: start with the most likely scenario, then move to less likely as you eliminate potentials.

      Most likely a hotel security guard who has access to the roof drugged her, which caused her to act strangely, and rigged the elevator to not work (possibly an accomplice in the elevator operating room). He then took her to the roof, and put her in the water tank when she fell unconscious. After two weeks of decomposing in the tanks, the drugs were flushed from her system, causing them to not show up in the autopsy.

      Date rape drugs often cause people to act strange and contort their bodies in weird, creepy ways as seen in the video. Seems like a logical explanation to me, and although I don't have access to the autopsy report, it seems highly possible that the drugs could have left the body in those two weeks.

    • murphy says:

      Except that she ended up naked and dead in a locked water tank on the roof.

    • evans thiongo says:

      One of the hotel agents must have killed this girl and dumped her body into the tanks. This occult theory has a lot of holes-how did she get through secured doors, past an alarm system, climb a tank that is so high? That is crap!!!! Police are too lazy to get to the bottom of this murder.

    • J.R. says:

      Bi-polar has nothing to do with being confused. *

    • Ant says:

      I thought about edit also but if you look at the buttons that are lit up on the elevator panel after the skip you can still see the same buttons remain lit, when she enters none of them are on at all. So the vid does skip but not to a different clip, the question is what were they trying to hide in that second where it jumps.

    • Franklisa says:

      You know Alex I agree with you (read my comment my name is Franklisa) something is up, there's just got to be something wrong with the video, she could even be talking to somebody, just because the camera didn't get nobody else doesn't mean that she was alone, maybe somebody was there and maybe what happened to her has to do with someone working on the hotel that night like security or something, I hate it when people blame ghosts for thing they can't explain!!!

    • PEACE says:

      The tape jumps twice. Obviously someones gone to the trouble to 'fix' it for some reason.

    • drestur says:

      How do you explain the unsual hand movements? Who is she talking to? Or what? Also before the hand movements, when she first stepped out after the doors wouldn't close, she has her hands on her head as if she's over whelmed or lost energy as she walks back in….

  48. fleurdamour says:

    Don't forget that the extraterrestrial entity that Aleister Crowley claimed he spoke to was called Lam.

    • sugamari says:

      OMFG that has to be the clincher. This story just wasn't maximum creepy until now! At least get the synchronicities ppl!

    • panda says:

      False. The 'extraterrestrial entity' you refer to is was called Aiwass.

      much peace.

      • Cicada says:

        The drawing that Crowley did that looks like a "grey" alien is titled "Lam" by him. He never said the drawing was of Aiwass, but he did refer to the drawing as his "guru" (Buddhism Lam = The way). Either way, there is no denying that Lam was the title of a drawing that Crowley did that looks like an alien, and if you follow a certain belief system, said aliens are actually demonic entities… something that would certainly fit in with Crowley's brand of Satanism. (And I use the term Satanism subjectively referring to his dabbling with what Christians would consider the enemy of God).

      • fleurdamour says:

        Aiwass and Lam are not the same thing. Aiwass was supposedly Horus, the Egyptian god. Lam was supposedly an E.T. Google "Crowley Lam" for info on the latter.

      • har says:

        Calling these things E.T. just is wrong
        They've been on earth longer than us

      • Period1 says:

        True. We are more of the E.T. to them.

      • Donnica says:

        Wrong. We are their breeded pets.

    • Shelda LR says:

      you just gave me the chills…

    • Sammi says:

      He was schizophrenic (at least)

    • iwishwvuwouldbeatbama says:

      That's weird, as soon as i saw the hand movements i thought of maybe an EBE or something. Those hand movements do not seem humanly possible, people in general are very rarely doubly jointed.

  49. kabooki says:

    right at 1:12 you can see her raise up her arm and put it up behind her head & at 1:30 she walks back in the elevator with her hands still behind her head.(position police will often have you stand in before arrest.

    • ADSA says:

      I noticed that and I noticed something eery about the way her right arm was kind of like dangleing/hanging a little right before she raised them straigh up and behind her head like you are talking about.

      • quipstad says:

        Speaking of hanging/dangling, I noticed the same thing with her arms as soon as she entered the elevator and went to the far corner. She stopping moving and her arms dangled around as if they were completely limp.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Some people just move like that naturally.

      • Lucinda says:

        Like she was hypnotised!

    • G. Baker says:

      I often assume that position when I'm stressed out, it has nothing to do with police, I think this is actually irrelevant.

  50. daniella quiroz says:

    i do believe in the devil, he does exist..i grew up in church and seen a lot of things..im not saying she was possessed or her soul belonged to satan..for all we know she could of had a mental illness..but seriously its strange how the elevators were not closing…something unseen was not letting it close..don't think her mental illness could control that.just saying. all i gotta say is lord be with us…

    • hvns says:

      We barely know what the general definition "mental illness" means. Oftentimes it is just a curtain to hide things that do not belong to physical world. Some so called "mentally ill" having mind as clear as we do however heavy dark influence would not let them go free and be normal.
      .

      • amaryllis says:

        Like Joan of Arc maybe but if you let loose many of those inmates, you would probably not be able to leave home after a few hours

      • Holmes says:

        You mean all that scientific neurological proof that the brain has problems because of wronged circuitry or neurotransmitters not producing the proper amount of chemicals thus creating mental instability is all bullshit and some 'heavy dark influence' is more defined then that?
        Who would have thought.

      • C0ckles says:

        The scientific neurological proof explains, in part, how, BUT what causes that to happen, why does it happen.

        If there is still a why or how to be asked then a full answer is yet to be provided. (is that even possible? we don't know most of what we don't know)

        As for accident most scientists, engineers and those working in safety critical industries never use that term for ''there are no accidents only incidents'' everything has an explanation, an ultimate cause, it involves deep analysis and research ….. root cause analysis and Incident tree diagrams. Even with this are we sure……. reason and logic are not infallible either.

        Yes Eliza may have been bi-polar or suffered from depression but is that relevant to her death and if so why…. did someone or something with knowledge of those conditions manipulate her or use them as a trigger…………… psychology/hypnotism/counseling have there basis in medicine and science do they not? can they not influence a persons emotions , thoughts and behaviours…. can we prove that the intentions and outcomes are always positive ones.

        We just don't have enough leads or information to come to a definite conclusion on this case Sherlock.

    • afroditi says:

      Are you orthodox,catholic, or in an other dogma?

    • Lola Twink says:

      You poor thing….May reason and enlightenment save your poor brainwashed mind…There is no devil…only nature and bad people. After the amount she pushed those buttons it isnt surprising the door started opening and closing.

  51. Syrus says:

    That woman looks eerily similar to Shelley Duvall's character in The Shining. Apparently Kubrick had her and Scatman Crothers treated 'differently' than the rest of the cast by the crew in order to solicit a better performance. They were not to be shown any kindness, or given any help by the rest of the cast and crew. In order to give them "a sense of hopelessness" during the shoot.

    This whole damn story reminds me of the plot of The Shining, actually. From the elevator to the dead woman in water, the suicides, murders. There was a Shining-inspired Disney original movie called "Tower of Terror" (apparently named after the ride), which takes place in the "Hollywood Tower Hotel" (a dead ringer for the famous Hollywood Hotel, not to mention its twin, the Scientology Celebrity Center), which had some kind of supernatural evocation ritual involved in the murder of some celebrities in their elevator in the 1920's, causing the place to be haunted, and ultimately shut down before the main plot of the story. I've taken to re-watching a number of those Disney channel originals with the intend of scoping out potential MK-ultra inferences. There's an awful lot "black magick" and just generally dark shit in those movies. I'm surprised Disney is able to keep its image as a family company.

    I was watching Zenon: Girl of the 21st Century, and not only is the space station set modeled after a completed version of Stanley Kubrick's one in earth orbit in 2001: A Space Odyssey, but the man in charge of the space station on-site could be a dead ringer for Hermann freakin' Goering. It's like they just changed his costume and made it purple. …Or perhaps I'm thinking of the version of him in Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator? Meh, same difference.

    Anyway, it's extremely creepy to try and watch these with "new eyes" or whatever. Somebody ought to shut these fools down soon, if they're really playing with this trauma-based mind control stuff and being so brazen about it now. Maybe they're hoping we'll get nuked before anybody can stop them; I really don't get it, personally. Where's an act of God when you need it, anyway?

    Last time a lightning bolt struck one of the Illuminati's messengers while he was en route with their world domination plans, which were immediately found by the local authorities and that directly led to the group's official dissolution. I wonder what more it could take this time to really shut the Cabal down. I don't like these people.

  52. Cupcake says:

    I live in DTLA and what creeps me out the most is that I had dinner at a good restaurant not too far from the Hotel Cecil when Elisa was "missing". The route we took home had us passing the hotel. When we drove by, I wondered if she was OK and sent out my good wishes. Little did anyone know at the time that she was at the hotel still but very much dead. DTLA is still a neighborhood in transition, with really nice pockets and questionable ones the closer you are to Skid Row. Sketchy people still mill around the area of the hotel. So terrible that Elisa most likely didn't realize that she was going to be staying at a bad hotel.

  53. BluBoy says:

    Unbelievable spooky, honestly, how weird and creepy – - WHAT is going on in the elevator? Is that elevator definitely in The Cecil Hotel? I think there's something demonic involved too, perhaps being followed by "something". It looks like a scene taken from a film……. Oh and LAM ELISA – Are you f.u.c.k.i.n.g. joking me? Is that reeeally what the test kits were called? tut, tut, tut. The thing is we need to find out who this Elisa Lam is, what was she doing in L.A? Who else was she with, what was she doing in the Cecil Hotel? etc…..The water tank reminds me of the Water Tower at the Warner Bros Lot…… – Water/Rain – Rain Man maybe? This WB water tower is believed to hold the souls of the actors that have been sacrificed by the "Elite". People in Hollywood call it the "Spirit Bottle". Also her surname Lam – Maybe linked to Crowley's Lam Entity/Ritual. Remember everything has a double meaning to it in Holy – Wood and also how the illuminati work – DUALITY. Too much to think tbh. Oh and Thanx VC ;-) Ya never cease to amaze me with your articles.

  54. Willie says:

    Brilliant article, VC. Didn't know this story.
    Wow, man… shit is creepier than a horror movie. Talking about horror movies, Dark Water is a really lame one. In fact, it's a remake of a japanese horror flick, directed by my fellow countryman Walter Salles. He said this filmaking process was a terrible experience, 'cause he hadn't creative control over the movie – Hollywood's producers and execs have butchered the final product. Strange, huh?

    My take on this story is that she was talking to somebody. She was under some kind of trance, under influence of some kind of "force". Well, the police said that she wasn't on drugs, but who can believe that? Police lie all the time.

    In any cases [suicide or not], she wouldn't be able to do this alone. Funny is that reminds me The Cabin in the Woods a little.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Theres a reason producers and execs have total control over the final product – the products are chosen for a reason, and have to fit that mold, and they are higher up in the knowledge food chain than directors.

  55. D D d says:

    Indeed a very weird video and story. So sad for the girl. She looks very confused and hunted.
    As for the way she pushes the buttons, without glasses, with diluted pupils?
    The doors might have been slow anyway and her stepping outside blocked them again and again?
    When she steps out and starts gesturing, she made me think of someone with l.s.d. kicking in.
    And the way she gestures and bends knees indicates a certain authority talking to her? (''Please, i beg?'')
    She leaves her place of little security, maybe she is not sure of the terror she was fleeing from?
    A lot of questionmarks for me. ( I don't spot anything supernatural. The bad video quality makes the pixels shift into vague spots. But it does the same on many old/compressed video i guess.)
    I do hope more facts comes surfacing about her story.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      I would say drugs are likely for the strange behavior, but because the autopsy showed none, somethings up.

      • D D d says:

        There are a few that would not be detected in the dead body. And , was it really the night of the video that she died? Was there a lot of water in it, or has it been filled up again with her in it? I don't know anything.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        One of her last tweets was a link to an article about invisibility cloaking and the military. Slightly ironic or super creepy?

      • sugamari says:

        super creepy

  56. Willie says:

    C'mon man… it was some kind of ritual or something. I'm almost positive about that! That girl was used for some obscure purpose. :/

    • Brit says:

      That makes no sense. SHE was making the strange movements people are calling "demonic" and it's obvious she was mentally unstable at the time. No one was outside the door. You can tell by where she looks and how she acts.

  57. K. David says:

    So I looked up Walter Salles the Director and his wife and they are seen in some pictures flashing the moon god sign as well as the hang sign for an allegiance to Satan. I'm sure if we followed these people around we would find a coven, like Rosemary's baby…

  58. okidoll821 says:

    Dark Waters was a remake of a Japanese film. The story is the same. Same situation – little girl was murdered and hidden in the water tower. The only originality of the Dark Waters remake are the names.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308379/?ref_=fn_al_t

    • keirin says:

      The Japanese film was also based on an anthology by horror writer Koji Suzuki who also wrote Ringu and Ju-on

      The specific story adapted into the movie was 'Floating Water' the first story in the book

  59. Mitzy says:

    Ummm, it's not crazy that crazy things happen to crazy people. The hotel is a magnet for crazy people, marginalized to isolation, one step above homelessness. If you try to map normal life to the lives of the crazy you will find an irreconcilable disconnect with the rational, but this should never be mistaken for the supernatural.

    • Define Mania says:

      Isn't it strange how these crazy people never exist in our cities and towns, only on "the news". I mean, we never know any of them. Where I'm from, most normal people just muble to themselves and keep it moving down the street. It just seems like this level of crazy is completely fabricated by the media…

    • hvns says:

      dear Mitzy or whoever you are,
      do not be cruel in your hasty conclusions.Crazy people, marginalized to isolation, one step above homelessness… Sounds like me to me! So every single reader of VC who do not own a mansion do not have Ivy League education or 6 figure salary is sort of marginal? If I happen not to be interested in success am I in the same category?
      Even folks who happen to cope with more mental issues than average person do not deserve to encounter real sinister supernatural influence. Be as skeptical as you want. If you would once stumble on realm of spirits you would almost certainly regret it. Nonetheless nothing gives you right to label someone completely unknown with the title "crazy".

    • amaryllis says:

      Actually, more than once, I have booked into hotels in nice places in , say, Paris which emerged as doubling-up as state subsidised homes for drug/alcohol abusers. You do NOT want to know about the mattresses or the bathrooms!!! There I was, clutching onto my Chanel handbag for dear life, trying to prevent a ruddy-faced drunk from toppling onto me in a fairly similar lift. Moreover, if you really think that our society's idols live much differently at the Chateau Marmont or Soho House you would be very wrong indeed. I have been inside rooms in one of those places which resembled a filthy, low rent crack house piled up high with rubbish and all sorts of filth. The person (well known starlet) had been merrily living there for months and is someone everyone appears to look up to.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Those places exist to serve a purpose, as in the last few sentences you wrote. Well kept houses of secrets for the famous who seem to be made up largely of well managed drug addicts.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      It's clear you have not really even examined the issue. You have dispelled the supernatural speculation that's fine now what about the rest of the complications quit acting like you have solved this with "a priori" arguments and speak on it with authority instead of speaking down to people who have moved past the basics. You haven't even covered the basics it's obvious you wouldn't even past a first grade quiz on this subject

  60. justsayin says:

    At 2:19, you can see she bends her left hands' fingers all the way back with her right hand, either she was possessed, or she was trying to wake herself up from some sort of trance by hurting herself, which is what she looked like she was in (either/or).

    The hand movement wasn't her talkin whatsoever, it was movement, but kind of how people usually move when they lose their minds in tv or movies of people in psych wards. Although I will say it looked possessed or demonic cuz both hands looks like they have 6 fingers and they are bending in ways that they shouldn't in the beginning of movement and when they move, they are extremely HUGE for a woman's hands, ESPECIALLY a woman as SMALL as her.

    Also, when she gets out to check around the first few times and then stays right outside the elevator the first time, you can see her cover her ears, and still covering them when she gets back inside the elevator, as if she was hearing something she was scared of or too loud or something.

    Also, if you hear the news report, (which you should) the guy states they found her body at the BOTTOM of the tank. They had to drill and make a hole big enough to drain the water out.
    SOME POINTS ABOUT THAT NEWS REPORT:
    1 How could the person that checked inside from top, see a female body, and who the female was, from the top of the tank looking in? He had to have known who and why. ALSO, the water, EVEN if NOT poisoned or anything, would look DARK. There's no way he could have seen her, even with a flashlight.
    2 How the hell does everybody NOT catch that he said she was found in the BOTTOM of the tank FULL OF WATER. HUMANS FLOAT IN WATER! REGARDLESS of their WEIGHT! She must have been HELD DOWN somehow! Either weights or tied down with something heavy.
    3 She was found NAKED inside. No one ever thought of looking where her clothes were??
    4 How could she have gotten in naked by herself? And locked herself in the tank full of water, and make herself heavy to stay down?? Unless the demon possessing her held her down. Or people doing a ritual?
    5 NO ONE could go up to the roof unless they had a key, and the doors to the roof are rigged with alarms. NO WHERE in that news report does ANYONE suggest or consider that ALL STAFF WILL BE OR SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED! No one else could have been up there but STAFF and no one is mentioning that??!!
    6 Why was she in Skid Row!!??

    I appreciate you stating that movide Dark Water VC because it makes you think, remember, they ALWAYS show a blood sacrifice or sacrifice in movies, shows or music videos. They show them in PLAIN SIGHT and most of the world just ignores it and never looks into it. If you don't know what blood sacrifices are, please google and please look up on youtube as well. Seeing and reading the ones about celebrities are easier to understand. But they do it to people that aren't famous also, like VC stated, they calculate every aspect of their rituals to align and coincide and yet hidden in plain sight. Makes me feel like I did after I saw the movie "The number 23" with Jim Carrey. I obsessed with numbers ever since that f*king movie and it took me time to not do it as much as before but its not easy. These rituals are calculated. Maybe all that died in Titanic were ritual, maybe all the ones that died in 9/11 did also. Don't close your eyes and shut your ears. Pray and believe in God, He is Almighty, and only He is in charge and will protect you ALWAYS, you have to believe. Evil is everywhere, but so is God right by your side if you allow Him to be.

    • gaybird says:

      You're right. Great comments. Really good points.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      There are quite a few that died on the Titanic that opposed the Federal Reserve and had enough money to be considered highly influential. Could be coincidental.

      • NeedsANap says:

        Of course rich and powerful people were gathered on the Exclusive Newst Biggest Fastest Greatest Ship Ever. That's not some freaky conspiracy. That's not even coincidence. That human nature.

    • Gord says:

      A few things to keep in mind:
      1. Who states that he saw it from the top? I'ts possible they drained the (obviously) tainted black water and then saw her body.
      2. Dead decomposing things do not float in water maybe for some time but then they will sink (hence why bottom feeders exist to clean up the waste)

  61. naunau says:

    Dark Water was originally a Japanese movie, not a Hollywood film.

  62. brazilian says:

    dark water director, walter salles, is one of the richests man in brazil. his family owns a bank and a niobium mine that happens to be the wold's largerst one.
    his father was a consul, very close to the government and that's how he got the niobium mine. all salles family is very close to soviet ideals and never, actually, supported democracy.
    just for the record, his mother killed herself jumping from a building on copacabana's beach boardwalk.
    that's not a film directed by a struggling brazilian filmmaker.

  63. Sanat Toma' says:

    This story is wild I hope this VC article gets massive attention and the comment section gets blitzed!

    • D D d says:

      This story is months old. . And still, little facts have been uncovered yet. Or, as mentioned here ealier, no decent investigation by my opinion too.

  64. M.elle says:

    It seems like at the beginning of waving her hands around, she was probably trying to get the elevator censors to detect her movement. Waving her hands in the elevator door way. Of course it looks weird but she didn't want to get back in.

  65. Scripto says:

    Thanks for the nightmares. I really needed that. I've been sleeping so well lately. I was just thinking, what could fuck that up for me. Oh wait here's a video I can watch. Thanks

    • D D d says:

      Could i advise you to some delightfull fairytales by the Grimm Brothers ? Or perhabs a cozy semi-auto-biography?

      • Everyone knows says:

        Are you trying to impress someone? Who cares about the brothers Grimm. That like amateur.

    • Hmmm says:

      Anybody heard of taking the stairs?! The lady in the video is NOT the same woman pictured in the close up. Too many lies!! Not buying it.

    • hvns says:

      Scripto,
      You are real joker. How in the world could your response turn out this funny? Post itself was not for sure not.

  66. izzy says:

    hands down THE scariest article on this site.
    the way she moved her hands was very creepy.

  67. 27moni says:

    Why do people say that this is clearly because of bipolar disorder? Being bipolar causes extreme lows and highs in mood. It doesn't cause you to hallucinate or run rampid hiding some things that aren't there. Either there is foul play involved or Something that is inexplicable. And also bipolarism doesn't explain how she was able to climb into that water tank that was several feet high and have enough strength to pull the lid back over herself. If you believe all that, then go ahead and believe everything else the media tells you.

    • Rjv610 says:

      Bipolar Disorder Type 1 can cause hallucinations, my daughter went into a Psychosis so bad during a manic episode that she spent time in a mental hospital and had to be homeschooled the rest of the year. They can have strange behavior similar to Schizophrenia if it's bad enough.
      However, no that doesn't explain at all any of the rest of the story. You're right in that.

      • mental health says:

        Thank you. I saw this happen to a friend and roommate. They had wild paranoid fits of not sleeping and not being able to separate reality from fantasy. Eventually talk of robots, signals, jesus, devil, CIA and so on as well as being dangerous to themselves, led to them being briefly institutionalized. It wasn't like they were possessed, but NOT in their right mind or in control of their emotions and actions. When I saw how the woman in this video is acting, I first thought "drunk" but quickly saw the similarities in behavior to someone who is hallucinating from a bipolar episode. Bipolar disorder can be serious enough to lead to long episodes of schizophrenic-like behavior. Had a different friend who recovered from it fairly successfully.

    • The Austrian says:

      its the same retarded conclusion people make when someone kills a random person after hearing voices in his head that tell him to do so- clear case of… paranoid schizophrenia!

      no way those voices are from an outside force! no way such a person is simply possessed by something evil!
      (human sheeps disguising as) "experts" know that for sure!

      • NeedsANap says:

        "simply"!? The simplest answer is a massive worldwide conspiracy of demon possession?

      • scrier says:

        SHE WAS MURDERED. did an Alien do that or Satan? Maybe a demon tossed her into the tank?
        What stupidity and superstition.
        the other bit is that the tank was LOCKED and the lid too heavy for her. Oh, but not for the superman Daemon right? zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      They say it's bi-polar because they are repeaters and have no thoughts of their own save the ones that have been inserted into their brains through official story psychological sodomy

    • Crystal says:

      Actually manic episodes are a lot like psychosis and schizophrenic episodes, where the person DOES hallucinate and form crazy beliefs.

  68. KMD says:

    Most odd, there is no way in the three dimensional reality that she could gotten inside that tank. There had to have been some sort of multi-dimensional portal of some sort involved. Remember,= God, Miracles and magic are words we apply situations we do not understand.=

    • The Austrian says:

      so the water came into the tank too through a "multi-dimensional portal of some sort"?

      all that was needed to put her inside is a ladder…

      • scrier says:

        thanks for some common sense. there is a whiff here of disparaging HER and SHE was the one killed!
        Americans called the stupidest nation for a reason

  69. randall says:

    I think killing a person and then placing the body in the water tank so that people would unknowingly drink water tainted by a corpse has RITUAL with an element of MOCKERY written all over it.

  70. Karen O says:

    I have observed this behavior in my mother who is obsessive-compulsive, bipolar, and had been psychotic. She would get in and out of elevators and even look like she was talking to someone at times. I am just starting to really look at why she is like this becausey grandfather was a career military man. There may be no connection but who knows? Elisa kind of looks like my mom does when she has one of her "spells" and my mom is very suggestible at these times. I wonder if Elisa was hypnotized and traumatized and then taken to the roof. It seems like a group of people (definitely more than one person anyway, probably several) would have to had taken her through the security door and put her in the tank. Someone would have had to hold the lid up on the water tank for sure.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Sounds like the best reasoning – Im more likely to believe in hypnotization, traumatization and possible drug use than demon possession for this case.

    • scrier says:

      the other red flag is how quickly this case was ruled a suicide under impossible odds. Then even more quickly disappeared. like the guy who died by shooting himself 4 times in the head…
      remember the ENDLESS, RELENTLESS way the networks tortured viewers with Chandra Levy and the white college girl killed in Haiti etc etc?

      this was a murder and the Film pre programing beforehand proves it. element of Hades Cthonic 'baptism' by use of a water tank. hotel staff and police from the area had to be complicit. ugh, yes very creepy.

  71. sleuth says:

    Obviously she's got to be on some kind of mind altering drug and committed suicide, there no other way to explain this bizarre behaviour.

    • jesusknight says:

      She had no drugs in her system at all, they checked. And if its suicide, how did she get in the tank and close the lid all by herself? those things have a bit of weight to them…

      • Rob says:

        What if she was in the tank for some time before death? i.e. someone put her in there alive. Maybe the drugs were metabolized. Maybe signs of drugs dissipate after 2 weeks of stagnation. Maybe certain drugs are not detectable. This story seems so incomplete and there must have been some kind of in-depth investigation this website is unaware of.

  72. Martin says:

    What's the big mystery? The woman's clearly schizophrenic.

    • amaryllis says:

      Possible, but pinning madness on people is an increasingly applied tactic in order to serve the NWO agenda. If you don't hush up and stop questioning then you are branded mad, just like that. Which is why we come online to do it anonymously … except that when esoteric ws get banned all over the world, we will still need an outlet so we will have to talk about it in real life … after which more of us will be branded mad. Vicious circle. If she had no trace of drugs in her body according to their reports then they are trying to tell you that actually, she was not a known mad individual as she was not doped up on anything

      • scrier says:

        no one talked to the parents? why was she in LA? why stay there? what was she studying at college?
        "she's crazy" is just sophomoric cliches by morons spouting whatever is in vogue.
        there is some kind of dark network associated with this hotel- and in the HUMAN realm.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Martin you have a fluoride cocktail before you read this article?

  73. Ginger says:

    I am bipolar, and I honestly wish I hadn't seen this tonight.

  74. Tangerine says:

    Notice in this pic: http://theyearofhalloween.com/2013/07/04/check-ou
    Elisa Lam is sitting in a red chair of what appears to be a television show. Now notice the set and chairs of George Stroumboulopoulos Show, a famous television and music industry personality of Canada. It appears that Lam was sitting on the set of this same show at some point before she died. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsF_EXBh7j8
    http://kristinandcory.com/play/hsF_EXBh7j8/George

    Notice his skull ring in every pic you see of him on the internet as well.

    Now, I don't necessarily buy into all the below article by Before Its News, but take into to consideration that Lam went to and graduated from the University of British Columbia. The Center for Tuburculosis Research is located at the UBC as well. Coincidental? Maybe. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/03/upda
    http://ctbr.ubc.ca/
    http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/tag/elisa-l

    Also read about how Elisa apparently sent a tweet on the 13th of january with an article in the Huffington Post about a Canadian company that is going to get support from the Pentagon to develop a cloaking material to make soldiers invisible. Could this explain why it appears she was talking to somebody that does not appear to be there?

    • D D d says:

      This story develops from a David Lynch to a John le Carré… Very interesting background !

      • scrier says:

        ritual wise– she makes the tweet on 1/13/13 and ends up dead (or last seen alive) on 1/31/13
        Illuminati numerology signature all over this

    • Smiley says:

      Perhaps she was a spy being trained…

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      So far this post is the most important. Find my longer comment dude it's on page 4. I'm going to come back after reading all the other comments and follow up on all your research I think you are definitely on to something

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      So basically we are looking at another Tuskeegee experiment where a low level poverty stricken demographic is chosen by ruthless Eugencists posing as Medical Officials. The disease is spread throughout the community by a catalyst (Elisa Lam) and the results are studied by maniacs in the name of science. Rockefeller and Company orders the experiments to be protected in the name of creating a better world and LAPD and Yellow Journalists take part in being obediently silent and engage in obfuscation when they encounter those asking for answers. Sounds like some Cecil Hotel visitors need to jump on this website and find out what they became a part of

    • Angie says:

      what was she doing on stroumbo's show – thousands of miles away from vancouver???

  75. Allen says:

    Another odd detail… that may be nothing, lol. @ 2:58, the doors are completely open. If you pause and go frame by frame, the doors jump from wide open to about 6" closed. You can go back and forth on those two frames. Wide open, 6" shut, wide open, 6" shut. Its not like the doors are moving fast after. I can't read the timer on the bottom, but whether it says it or not, we're missing a second or so of the video.

    • Allen says:

      Excuse me, at LEAST a second or so. There's no way to know how much time was skipped during which the door wasn't moving at all. Again, unless the timer actually shows it and someone can actually read it, lol.

  76. keno says:

    on the 2nd video at 2:36, what is that swirling yellow streak above the reporters head?

    • Kev says:

      Come on dude, apparently a graphic image associated with the "Live" logo associated with the news channel. Same yellow image appears at 2:24 when the Live logo pops up.

  77. agr says:

    The way the elevator door keeps on opening and shutting – opening and shutting near the end, that actually freaked me out the most.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      The video was very edited – a minute was sliced out and then some of the bits were slowed down.

    • amaryllis says:

      Autistic children play with elevator doors in much the same way though and display the same body movements

  78. Jersey says:

    It is possible she was the victim of an ELF weapon or some other type of high tech torture device

  79. jesusknight says:

    That girl was being spiritually harassed and whatever was harassing her probably killed her. I have been spiritually attacked before. No one else saw them, but I did. Same with her, from the looks of it. Poor girl was so freaked out she did not know, or forgot, how to defend herself.

    • hvns says:

      i know what you are talking about. However do not try to explain it to people who choose to believe school doctrine that nothing exists beyond simple physics.

  80. Mrs. Thomas says:

    I can't see the tape timer clearly but it looks as though it is editied. If you notice it slows and that will distort movements. Also will make the door seem as though it is open longer than it actually is. Tom Foolery

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Exactly, not only that but the Time Mark counter is de-pixelated to provide camouflage to prohibit investigation. Why would you have a counter that you can't read? it's completely intentional

  81. jjj says:

    shes just sick in the head.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Another elevator video watcher who can't read the article or understand the basics of the case

  82. aggelos says:

    Drowning is also used in ritual sacrifices, ie whitney houston…

  83. cree scott says:

    if you look at her at the part where she turns to walk away why is there a foot or shadow still there..humans cant turn there feet like that and walk away

    • Lovenotfear says:

      Yes I noticed the same foot and watched it over and over again. Still cannot confirm if it was her foot…..but weighing more towards somebody elses foot bc 1. Your right people don't normally stand all weird like that unless they're purposely playing around and she doesn't seem to be in a position to be playing around. 2. She is wearing more of a sandal I believe, the foot looks more like a solid shoe.. It almost looks like she's stepping over a foot as though someone is saying come with me or come with us right now (an authority figure of some sort) that is why she does not wait for the foot to move or when someone is nervously going with someone.

  84. La Brea says:

    I live in Sherman Oaks and my wife and I saw this on the local news a few months ago. I wanted to go downtown and check this hotel out in person. We are fascinated by this story, I hope someone does more research on her and her family. Who were her friends? What did she spend time doing in Canada? Was she in LA by herself? Why? Who does that? Just a tourists? then what was she touring, skid row?

    I know that part of downtown where that hotel is and I don't know why anyone would stay there unless they we're hiding from something or was a junkie on a binge. I don't buy the schizoid thing, why choose that hotel? Maybe a crappy hotel in east hollywood but…. WHAT TOURIST STAYS IN DOWNTOWN LA? There is nothing down there except zombie homeless and the jewelry mart. None of this makes sense. L.A. Noir in 2013.

    • amaryllis says:

      If she was a foreign student, she would not really know. I have posted upthread that due to lack of knowledge I ended up in similar disgusting hotels at her age in strange cities. It is unremarkable and probably predates TripAdvisor

    • Dee says:

      I agree, WHY was she there in the first place? I don't want to accuse her of anything [b/c she can be 100 % innocent], but maybe she was involved in some stuff. I wonder what was her story [her personal life]

    • agr says:

      I feel ya! From what I read on other sites about her visiting this hotel, apparently the hotel is deceivingly advertised as a 'hip' hostel and shows fancy photos appealing to young travellers, online. "Being in the middle of the heart of the downtown district' and all that. The hostel portion is simply seperate floors of the Cecil Hotel with a seperate lobby. But, no true seperateness once you are in. Also, remember, many tourists from other big cities come from actual 'thriving' downtowns, so they might not realize what LA's downtown is like… That said, Downtown has been 'up and coming' for the past 10 years or so if you hadn't noticed… (I have moved from LA almost 7 yrs now but it was even 'happening' back then) it's still very sketchy but not like a total no man's land it used to be (like pre 2000's). Of course these are just certain areas. There are expensive loft/condo's in lots of what used to be dumpy high rises, and lots of trendy bars, art events, etc. They've been trying to 'bring it back' for many years, and lots of moneyed younger adults are living there in those fancy condo's, yet still sketchy on the ground floor and on 'off' business hours. Gentrification and all that.

    • Zac Blanton says:

      She stayed there, because she was LURED there. Cecil Hotel is a CIA Satanic operation that should be shut down and paved over TOMORROW! Cecil Hotel is where a lot of mind control victims have died, a lot of them have stayed there i.e. Richard Ramirez. It seems as if she was one of those mind control subjects, maybe she escaped her captors and was in between reality and fantasy in the elevator? Either way, she was recaptured, stripped naked and thrown into the water tank with something heavy attached to her body.

      • Lovenotfear says:

        Couldn't agree with u more! I thought the same thing she was lured there. And also thought it looked like she was rehersing what she might say to someone once she sees them. Shut that f%^*ing hotel down right now!! Before someone else has to die!

    • Cupcake says:

      Ummm….why wouldn't a tourist stay in DTLA? I live here and there are plenty of nicer hotels nearby. The Omni, The Standard, The Bonaventure, etc. Plus, the proximity to LA Live/Staples/Nokia Theater. My hell would be to live a suburban, generic life like in Sherman friggin Oaks, which is not LA at all. As a DTLA resident, there is a lot to see and do that does not involve being in Skid Row. Don't talk trash about DTLA when you obviously know nothing about it. Like all major cities, there are bad pockets but it has a lot of great restaurants and things to see.

  85. Rogue says:

    The elevator door stood open for abnormally prolonged periods of time and should have closed several times yet it stayed open, leading me to believe someone had remote control of the elevators functions and was watching via the elevators camera.

    Definitely: Someone who had access to the hotels security panels and security monitors was involved.

    Most likely someone who worked / works at that hotel.

    • har says:

      ding ding ding

    • Ninja Girl says:

      The best response so far. Hands down.

      • Reenie says:

        Clearly! She is frightened and trying to get the elevator to move- someone out of view is controlling the doors and after scaring her- she clearly tried to hide- then look out- then I think she is approached by the perpetrator who lures her to a stairwell- I think she was murdered by an employee- targeted. Wouldn't be the first woman assaulted or killed in a hotel.

      • Lovenotfear says:

        But don't you think it's strange how she gets in the elevator (to me like a confident secure 21 yr old woman unfightened) and starts pressing all the buttons? I ask myself than if I would ever do that, and the answer is only if I wanted to throw off the person standing outside the elevator to see what floor I was going to. Sometimes outside the elevator reflects the floor your headed on. Or I would probably do it if I was highly nervous like escaping. It seems at the beginning she seems confident and secure and than an escalating fear begins after she can't get the elevator to do what it's suppoe to do. But I think in the beginning she thinks I will out wit these fools no problem.

  86. Sonia says:

    Yes it could be an evil entity but….. perhaps a person or persons have her under mind control by frequency waves and the elevator is being observed and operated by other persons who temporarily disable it to ensure she uses the fire escape mentioned in the video, The rooftop having its own set of persons to finish her off by doing whatever sexual last acts there may have been, (having her get naked while she is being entombed in the tank.) Leaving the hotel to be a longtime- very organized- home base for ritualistic activity and or sacrifices while convincing everyone to blame it all on a ghost. To me she looks like she is in a dream state or hypnotized.

  87. Yaz says:

    I'm surprised that everyone has failed to see the most creepy part of the entire video!!!

    2:57: the elevator door closes (and seems to work fine)
    3:13: the elevator opens on a DIFFERENT FLOOR!!!, the wallpaper is different!

    It seems like perhaps "something" in the elevator perhaps went UP a few floors, to possibly complete the sacrifice!!
    Notice that it took almost 20 seconds, which means that the elevator either went far down or far up. It most probably is far up. I bet that if the elevator had gone down it would be at the reception floor – not likely after an incident like that. It was going UP!

    And also, no one had pressed the elevator button, since no person was present on the other floor. That means that something inside the elevator pressed on something, perhaps what floor "something" wanted to get to.

    Is it just me or is there a dark entity in the center of the entire video??

    • Yaz says:

      Oh sorry, I meant from 3:23-3:43:
      Purple wallpaper vs orange wallpaper!!

    • AttentiontoDetails says:

      Apparently the girl had pressed all buttons randomly right before she left

      • anonymous says:

        Elisa had pressed several buttons thus making the elevator travel to the chosen floors. It's common sense.

    • NC Native Girl_46 says:

      It could be that the explanation of the elevator going up or down is simply the result of Ms. Lam pushing ALL the buttons when she first entered the elevator & subsequently pushing all the buttons later on in a futile attempt to get the elevator to work. I would not go quite so far as to say that an evil entity "rode" up in the elevator after Ms. Lam disappears from view & the elevator Finally starts working again. It seems plausible to me that Someone in that hotel must have had control over that elevator to keep it from working.
      In the surveillance video, it appears that Ms. Lam is either frightened of, and hiding from, someone out of view of the camera. She does seem to be acting erratically, especially near the end of the video when it appears she is talking to someone, possibly explaining that she is not able to get the elevator doors to close.
      I believe that, if Only hotel employees have keys to the rooftop & water tank, some of them Must have murdered her & her death should Not have been deemed an "accident". How on earth would she have been able to lift the lid of the water tank by herself, then close it behind her, when it took the police/fire department personnel cutting holes in the tank lid to access it in order to remove her body? Were her clothes ever found/looked for?

  88. DisturbingAnomalies says:

    The video in the elevator was taken on January 31, the last night she was seen alive. This is the eve of Imbolc, an important holiday on the occult calendar. It is the thirty-second day of the year, just as the second to highest degree in Freemasonry is the thirty-second one. There are 333 days left in the year, that number being the triplicate of the most important number of Freemasonry (3) and the number of Choronzon, a demon written about in the sixteenth century by occultists such as John Dee (an alchemist and intelligence agent for Queen Elizabeth I) and Edward Kelley.

    Choronzon has some popularity in the entertainment industry, particularly in the often overtly satanic death metal genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choronzon#In_popular

    Interestingly, Lam was Canadian, and another sensational murder case of recent in this country was that of Lin Jun, who was drugged before being brutally murdered on film by Luka Magnotta, who sent his body parts to the Conservative Party where they happened to be opened by the political mentor of Stephen Harper, who, by the way, was born on Walpurgisnacht, the night of the witches, on April 30. The last person Magnotta spoke to was Derek Mackinnon, his neighbor and an actor who starred as a deranged serial killer in the film "Terror Train," in which the setting is an occult-themed costume party on a train (railroads having occult significance). Mackinnon mentioned in an interview with a horror website that his father was the commander of an air force base in Nova Scotia. That website has since been closed down and there remains no archived copy of the page. Magnotta's lead lawyer, Luc Leclair, organized campaigns for Defence Minister Peter MacKay, who also flew with Russell Williams, the commanding officer of Canada's largest air force base and the husband of a Harriman. Williams, who raped and murdered several women, was a college friend of Paul Bernardo, an active Freemason who killed young girls with his wife Karla Homolka. One of the victims was Homolka's sister. Magnotta was rumored (allegedly through his own false stories) to be her boyfriend. Interesting

    The filmed beheading of Daniel Pearl by Omar Saeed Sheikh, an agent of British Intelligence posing as a "terrorist," occurred on Imbolc in 2002. British intelligence has always been an occult secret society. Aleister Crowley, who summoned Choronzon in his occult rituals, worked for British Intelligence just as John Dee, who was one of those to first write about him, was the personal agent of Queen Elizabeth I.

    The Columbia space shuttle disaster, which took seven lives, took place on Imbolc in 2003. "Columbia" has importance to the Illuminati in that the federal government is located in the District of Columbia, just as Columbia Pictures is a major entertainment corporation and Columbia Broadcasting Systems (CBS), which features an eye as its logo, is one of the largest news outlets in America. Colombia is a major exporter of cocaine, a major part of the drug trade, which is under the control of the elite. Elisa Lam is from Vancouver, British Columbia, a major port for human trafficking involving a ring of extremely wealthy, influential individuals. Dave McGowan believed that the strange murder of Officer Sean Brenton in Seattle, Washington on Halloween and the subsequent murders of four Seattle officers meeting in a coffee shop across the street from an air force base may have all been connected with this human trafficking corridor in Vancouver.

    James Shelby Downard claimed that elevators are symbolically associated with the occult.

  89. max says:

    I'm sorry but I am far more disturbed that people were drinking cadaver juice for weeks than the actually mystery of her death. That is vile.

  90. destiny says:

    Work the audit at motel alone an spooked right now like Wtf

  91. amaryllis says:

    cctv 'ghosting' is quite normal – my home cctv does that too, best not to read too much into it. We just don't have enough information to speculate about half these things. Getting scared sh88less over imagined things that might have never happened at all is a bit stupid. For example, a sociopath on the floor above who was also waiting for the lift did not get lift rage because she had blocked the lift for so long and rushed down the stairs to exact revenge. You see, you could make up hundreds of potential scenarios but the main question for which you need an answer is 'Where is the rest of the evidence to enable us to know the answers?'

    • Lovenotfear says:

      The police report should be public information might want to try finding it. If this is an unjustice people it is an unjustice to all of us. We should clearly all take a stand for this poor girl who was written off as a suicide when we all clearly know it was not. I mean just look how many posts their are it's like she's trying to speak to us in some way. This girl deserves justice. Lets all protests and start digging deeper please! This is what they want is for us to stay silent and brush it under the rug so guess what THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN!!

  92. observer07 says:

    The first video in the elevator 2:57-2:59 I noticed the elevator abruptly moved for a milli second.. is this video edited? I don't know.. hmmm..

  93. boo says:

    I think the possession could have came from the fact she was in that demonic hotel and they saw her as a perfect victim to be a ritual sacrifice for. Clearly they wanted this all to add up and freak the average zombie viewer out; instead of see what dark strangeness is actually occurring.

  94. dee says:

    There goes my sleep. It's 11:56 pm here and this creeped the heck out of me.

  95. Larry Davis says:

    MK Ultra glitch.

  96. Sam Poulston says:

    This story may be frightening and indeed very creepy. Whether you believe in dark / demonic forces exist/ are at play here or not, the key thing to remember is, and without sounding completely cheesy, love. Loving even those who do bad and detaching ourselves from anything other than love truly means no suffering can come to us. Display acts of love and tolerance to all life to show that evil can never effect happiness :-)

  97. Roush76 says:

    Could this be about the movie called The Grudge?

  98. AttentiontoDetails says:

    A person in a state like that, when triggered by let's say -someone-, like being frightened by a creepy guy at the hotel – can "hide" in a tank or think it as a safe place. The comment towards the end by Nate Bentley shows how bad the hotel conditions are and neighborhood in general and how accessible it is for people like himself and Elisa.

    • Monika says:

      but why would she take off her clothes to hide?

      • scrier says:

        BINGO. And where were the clothes? Were there other cameras in the stairwells, or at the security doors?
        If she was in the hall nude- anyone seeing here would remember. Could she swim? If it was suicide- why not just do the obvious and jump off the roof? What are the details of the autopsy? We dont know what her college major was. Could she be a molecular biologist (remember the list of them on Rense that were being picked off in advance of a pandemic)?

        Too many illumanati 'tells'. Especially the whole thing replicating the movie. Plot is too unusual and specific to be a mere coincidence. Be very enlightening to see the film itself- the asian original and they visited it on an asian to stay true to prediction.

      • Lovenotfear says:

        Totally agree with you. No one is talking about how she is of Asian descent weird coincidence? I don't think so, they are totally copying the movie or else 'she is'-which I think not bc no one can make themsleves sink to the bottom of water well unless they tied something on them- which in the video she clearly had no weights with her. And remember she can't spread TB like that. That is another coincidence. The sychronicities all go together right down to her name and the spread of TB right afterwards.

  99. Acqua. says:

    Just FYI, ELISA for the tuberculosis thinggy stands for enzyme linked immunosorbent assay. Its a real thing.

    • Eliase says:

      But LAM-ELISA being the test kit they used to test people who were diagnosed with it from water in the surrounding area, after the body of Elisa Lam was found in a water tank strikes people as a tad odd.

  100. valene says:

    In the picture in the video it shows she had glasses on. In the elavator she didnt have glasses on she walked into the elavator with no rush and every thing was fine .. she didnt have her glasses on so that why she pushed all the butons which caused the door to stay open . Probally pushed the open doer buton. It wasnt till the elavator wasnt movig when she stRts getting nervious thinking someone is out side of the elavator pushing the button causeing it to remaine open. Whdn she keeps checking and sees no one is there she sees if the elavator door is motion sensered . That explaions the hands moving. When she gave up and walked away . A minute later it was fine. …… ifyou were in a elavtor and it wasnt working you would get nervious to and loon all over the place. Peopme minds plays tricks on them. And if worse comes ths worse. Someone who works there put two videos together with her in it to cover up thst he killed her… there is plunty of ways to look at this i would follow someone one did it that works there ….this is sad hopd its solved soo.

    • pewp says:

      She gets into the elevator, gets *really* close to the buttons, she would be able to see them at that distance, presses every button on the list (the doors would have still closed, she would have just visited every floor that she had pressed. The door open button would have only allowed the door open for a certain amount of time.) She allows enough time for the elevator door to close, which it doesn't, before she pokes her head out to see what was up, then hops out. She then looks to the left, continues looking to the left, takes a step to the left, takes a step backwards, steps into the hallway again, and steps off camera where it begins to look like she might be talking to someone. She then walks into the elevator looking as if she had either been drinking or got into a huge fight with someone. She then seems to frantically press buttons, some more than others (in a pattern maybe? We have no idea.), then steps back outside, where it appears that she continues arguing with someone. She then looks at the elevator door, and moves *both* of her hands in a movement which no one would use in any form of conversation. The elevator doors didn't close until nearly a half a minute after she had walked away.

  101. FeeMcCloud says:

    In occult rituals it's called "The Law of Reversal" that's probably why they used her! Her name is the kit name in reverse.

    • Lovenotfear says:

      Forsure! Their is no other explanation even thouugh our minds don't want to go there and want to say 'oh it was just a suicide' or 'oh it was just your yearly murder in a beat up town' it is clearly not.

  102. Jean says:

    Did anyone else notice the 'black mass' in the corner?? Or was it just the 'pixel' of the camera???

  103. Mister Incredible says:

    Ironic that he would post this article as I almost watched Dark Water over the weekend.

    • Lindsay says:

      I did too!!! I had never heard of it and was kind of surprised by all of the famous actors in it…very weird.

  104. Sue says:

    The way step takes a step to the side, then to the other side, then back reminds me of OCD behavior, not necessarily drugs. I know of people who do weird stuff like that. And she was alone, so it was a perfect time to release some of her OCD-isms. This may not make a lot of sense to some, but anyone who has OCD or has seen someone with it might relate. So the steps seems really odd, but sorta OCD too. What seems even more creepy though, is the way she seemed to get spooked after the door didn't shut. If it didn't shut on me, I don't think that in itself would spook me. Maybe she heard a sound, maybe some sort of trigger. I am not thinking supernatural. I am thinking more along the lines of her being manipulated and pursued. When she first entered the elevator, she seemed fine, she walked in like anybody would walk into an elevator. It got strange when she got "spooked" possibly by someone messing with her. Who knows what she heard. But I think it was human. The biggest red flag to me is that fact the this footage was clearly edited, and they didn't even do a very good job at it. How are police not investigating why the footage was messed with?

    • Dee says:

      Most likely b/c the police are involved too, at least the ones higher up.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      There is no trusted authority left for us to turn to. The police arent there to protect anyone. They are there to selectively enforce our laws.

      • Sue says:

        There are a couple of cops sitting in the safety of their car every single day as I drive down the street. Serving and protecting? Uh huh. All I know is I'd feel a lot safer if they were out fighting crime and actually protecting people instead of sitting in parking lots all freakin day. A lot of us work so hard day after day, paying their salary, while they sit there. The only laws they are there to enforce are the speed limits.

      • sittingcoffin says:

        Always a chance things will change, but for now, they are what they are. Its a shame. A real shame.

  105. Catrina says:

    I don't really like how the police just claimed "she was probably bipolar" as the explanation.
    Being a bipolar sufferer myself I can see yes, her mental state might effect her, she might act strange and paranoid (pyschosis), which can cause hallucinations and it could lead to suicide.
    however her waving her arms around like that, they looked almost disjointed…and unatural.

    creeepy

  106. Rob says:

    The demented arm movements reminds me of what it feels like to be on ketamine

    • yuzu says:

      To be honest, she looks like she's tripping. My take is she's probably on some sort of hallucinogen. Someone who worked at the hotel could have drugged her food or drink and then watched the effects take place.

  107. soul says:

    She definitely looks like she's hiding from something. The way she moved her arms – what I assume is that there could've been a demon there, and she could sense it somehow but couldn't see it and was trying to feel it. Then she nervously was touching/stretching her hands and fingers. The demon could also be holding the buttons so that the doors don't close. But then, why would she be clearly hiding from something?

    The video is definitely creepy. The girl looks very nervous as if she doesn't know what to do. I wonder why she couldn't use the exit stairs to reach her floor. Maybe there was something in her room, she got scared and wanted to use the elevator to get to reception or get some help and the demon was following her? Then again, why her? Was she ever involved in witchcraft or the like activities for him to have access to her like that? Normally it doesn't happen randomly, there must have been a history of some deeds or beliefs.

    I definitely know from stories of saints and such, that 1) demons can use physical force (ex. physical fight with a human) 2) demons can drive a person to kill himself through despair or just trying to drive them insane

    Are there no other cameras in the hotel, from the corridors? Any phone calls from her room? They're not telling a whole story.

    • scrier says:

      Oh for God's sake. Are we back in the dark ages already, where superstition reigns? this girl was being stalked and when she began to feel trapped? She began to PANIC, especially as she seems boxed in. Whe hides up against a corner to disappear, then jumps out gesturing wildly (NOT insanely) to be left alone.
      this is a network, with some influential perps involved.

  108. dogg says:

    It seems odd to me that she would be diagnosed as, "possibly bi-polar." How would no one know about this problem up until her death.

    Why was she at the hotel? What are the circumstances of her life during her last days? She looks very much like she could be tripping on LSD. Isn't LSD not able to be found in blood tests?

    Too many not asked questions.

  109. Sharon says:

    This is genuinely the most frightening thing I've ever seen on this website, and I've visited it for years. Never have I been so unsettled and completely freaked out by a video or story, the way she moved her hands will never leave my mind. I actually feel nauseous after watching it, utterly horrifying.

  110. JAY says:

    THERE R CLOTHS ON THE ROOF AND THEY SEEM TO BE BLACK SOME ON THE TANK TOO. WHERE IS HER RED JACKET SHE WAS WEARING IF THEY FOUND HER NUDE IN THE TANK. ALSO I ASUME THEY CHECKED THE ROOF BEFORE WITH DOGS WHEN SHE WENT MISSNG FUNNY THEY DIDNT FIND HER CLOTHS THERE WHEN THERE R BLACK CLOTHS LAYING THERE. IIT SEEMS SHE CANT SEE AROUND THE ELEVATOR BUT THEN HOW DID SHE HAVE A KEY TO OPEN THE ROOF DOOR ??? SOMEONE NEW WHAT WENT ON !!!!

  111. Sam says:

    Another weird thing about this story is that we also have a Cecil Hotel in Calgary, Alberta. It opened in 1912 or 1914, and it was also the epicentre of evil, death, and darkness,. People were murdered there every year. It was the seediest hotel around – home to protitution, drunks, drugs, and murders. It's closed now, but still standing.

    What is it about the Cecil that invites such darkness?

    • sugamari says:

      AAAAnnnnddd that hotel was the key to Ralph Kleins success and movement up the political ladder. I seem to remember him as mayor trying to to buy it out and the next day or so it burned down to make room for the OLYMPICS.

      And didn't something just recently happen at the cecil hotel in vancouver?

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Someone else posted that cecil breaks down into "blind, dark"

  112. Rob says:

    This is beyond confusing. She walks into the elevator seemingly very determined, assuming she can't see properly without her glasses, she goes right up to the buttons and searches for what she wants to press. She runs her finger down while looking at the list. Looks as if she pushes Ground, at the bottom. She stands back. All normal so far. The door moves an inch and then retracts. Somebody outside pushed the button!? She creeps up to the door and quickly looks out, left and right, to catch them, as if some kids were playing around with her. Now she stands back in the corner, hiding, listening. She doesn't appear scared. She wants to see who's messing with her. She must believe someone is in the corridor, otherwise she would stand around in the lift looking around confused thinking "derp is this elevator broken?" She must have heard noises outside. Now she stands in the door looking around outside. She does a little "jump" to make noise with her feet. She's playing a game or trying to spook whoever might be around the corner. Can't see anyone. Steps sideways (forcefully again), moves back into the elevator. Now she exits again and moves out of sight, presumably standing in front of the outside button. Probably holding the button to hold the lift. We see her arm dangling, as if waiting. Her arm moves up with her hand presumably behind her head. She's frustrated? Getting upset? She turns around and enters again, hands on either side of the door… Looks like body language of someone upset now, possibly even seriously tired or disoriented. She moves towards the buttons with one hand moving through space as if she can't see very well. Looks quite blind at that point. Then she seems to struggle with the buttons this time, pressing randomly? Then instead of standing back and waiting for the door to close, she moves out quickly. Swipes her hair behind her ears. Now it gets bizarre; standing in front of the door, turns, hunches and contorts hands. Flails them about in a very strange way, almost like she's gone blind and can't see anything but tries to feel in front of her. Then she puts her hands together and bobs up and down a little, as if scared. Stands there as if not knowing what to do now… I suppose she thinks there's no escape/use trying the elevator, walks off. The only thing making this so strange is the creepy hand gestures. Obviously there is a second party, or at least she believes there is.

  113. soul says:

    Also, another option – she could be hiding from a person, who knows camera placement. Walks into an elevator, presses buttons (why?) then waits for the doors to close. They don't- someone could be holding the 'down' button? She looks out, then walks out and starts talking – her arms in this case would be nervous, weird gesturing. Someone could be stalking her, who has access to the roof, all the doors, etc?

  114. mnljh711986 says:

    it's as if they did this whole thing was done as a drill of some sort to test the level of intelligence the public possesses too many questions went unanswered and people aren't even questioning… not even addressing who were her family and friends and why they haven't come forward to demand answers? why did she come to L.A. alone without anyone's knowledge? why weren't the staff or the person who discovered the body interviewed? why were there no reports of a public ceremony or funeral service ?where is all the footage of family crying? then no following reports in the months after on the investigation itself, this has all the hallmarks of hokum, it was clearly contrived just to determine to what level society has lost it's ability to question and you know why they want to dumb down society don't you?

    • sticks says:

      also, if there were cameras in the elevator, wouldn't there be some other footage taken from another place in the hotel that would show where she went after she left the elevator???

      • sittingcoffin says:

        It sounds like the type of hotel where there arent too many cameras….or the cops dont ask for much evidence.

  115. Rob says:

    There is a circular mirror right in front of the elevator. I am so disturbed.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=553476401353

  116. Rissa says:

    Truth is stranger than fiction! Rest in Peace, Elisa

    Has anyone considered aliens?

    • hvns says:

      Aliens meaning demons? Look all the TV programs about paranormal alien visitors abductions and lost civilizations with puzzling secrets are directed by satanists. Any suggestions why?

  117. Nancy says:

    in the elevator after she walks back out I see dark matter leaning forward pressing buttons

  118. A.G. says:

    Maybe, because she is not smiling like in the many photographs online, but she does not look like the same female to me. This female in the elevator looks a little mature (I am not sure). Also, the Cecil Hotel building should be demolished completely; not just closed.

    • Mel~Ski says:

      Exactly…too many murders and the city should force it's closure. Who in their right mind would work there anyway? Another commenter mentioned the Cecil Hotel in Calgary, Alberta and how murders took place there…it's closed now. I googled "Hotel Cecil Austrailia" and there's one there too! Don't know the history. Whose idea was it to build these Cecil hotels and did they have a predetermined purpose?

  119. Jon says:

    The elevator video is the evidence! At 2:48 you can see how the elevator video's time in the bottom left corner changes from ??:24:04 to ??:25:00 and then jumps another 4-5 times until 25:15 minutes. Why? Because the hotel manager or the police itself cut the video so the public couldn't see the murderer in those cuts!

    Anyways this is one of the most creepy things I've ever seen…

  120. soul says:

    Also what's strange
    - In the video by Rob (link) made by a Chinese guy who walked around the hotel – its clear one can get on the roof through fire stairs in two places. A single person could climb up, not one carrying the other. Only one door has alarm exit to the roof.

    - The building design is really creepy, there are three corridors interlinked, and its disorientating. Can make for a really creepy chase.

    - The neighborhood is creepy as well, one guy who lives there posted for the Chinese video, that it could be that she was stalked by someone from outside. She seems like a nice girl and someone could clearly take advantage.

    - Overall, I think someone was stalking her, whether employee or not, I'm not sure. That hotel is really weird, look at the video, I'll repost.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=553476401353

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Reviews of the hotel (and its attached differently named Stay on Main hotel/hostel) say that they would request to withdraw their reservation, moved to the Stay on Main, and not realize they were using the same elevators and in the same area.

  121. Tink says:

    What they NEED to do is take down and dismantle that building so none of these creepy and suspicious deaths occur. The place is probably possessed by demons…….but what I find most strange is that the TB testing kit is Lam-Elisa. It's almost like her parents named her that name just for the purpose of meeting this end. I think there are both human and supernatural forces at work here – like they are working together. I just don't see what they are trying to get out of this. Definitely the most disturbing article I've read on this website since he posted that article on Rihanna's 'Umbrella' music video….

    • amaryllis says:

      I think that it is too obvious that part of this persona is contrived and/or fabricated. All that would not happen as a series of coincidences. Her social media postings are too ordinary too – almost contrived IMO. Every time a young person dies, the interested people go straight to their social media accounts and it seems to determine the course of the investigation moreso that the real facts. There is a general lack of questioning wrt who posted what and when & why. They are Ashkenazim colluders Mark Z and the rest.

    • scrier says:

      I wondered on this too. What do her parents do? are they like Aurora shooter James Holmes whose dad was high level military? how did she ever just happend to be named "elisa lam"? too weird unless the parents are generational satanist or into some kind of nefarious ring like JonBonet Ramsey w/ the beauty pageant pedophiles

  122. Lead Singer from Fun says:

    I saw a Gastly at timestamp 2:57, it clearly escaped its pokeball and possessed her.

  123. Abbie says:

    it doesn't look like she's actually pressing a floor number for the doors to close. It seems as if it's the panel of buttons that's below the numbers? Like she's bending down to press button. I don't think the regular floor buttons would be that Low? Not sure..

  124. Kidrough says:

    Clearly this woman was mentally ill. This is low cost housing. What kind of people live in low cost housing? The mentally ill. So that explains the "creepy" history of the Hotel. What should be addressed here is why weren't these involved in mental health services?

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Terrible logic work there.

    • D D d says:

      I wouldn't call all financially challenged people mentally ill if i were you. That sort of thing can happen to you too overnight.

    • Ray says:

      Way to slander the victim. You are so sure she was mentally ill? Did you know her personally? From the information we have she was a vacationing student and perhaps tight on cash hence she picked a place she could afford. So how is this her fault, genius?

    • MentallyStrong says:

      Kidrough, I think YOU ARE mentally ill. They live in low cost housing because they can not afford luxury housing, simple. I' was there on Jan 2nd 2014 not because I could not afford the better hotel, just because its very close to my daughter school housing. After more than 20 hrs driving, I felt so tired and did not have time to look around. I paid $159 for 2 nights through Hotwire.com. and they only tell me exact hotel after receiving payment and offered NO REFUND if I cancel. When I checked in, the Lobby looked great but soon as I went up to my room, I was scared. Even though they changed CECIL HOTEL to STAY ON MAIN, but my daughter had suspicious and she went online finding the truth. We ran down immediately and checked out knowing we're not getting back our money, I didn't even ask. In lobby there were lots of people from Europe, Asia and other countries, somewhere far, they were just like me, knew nothing about this hotel. didnt have chance to look for reviews before paying., didn't know they were scammed.

  125. Abbie says:

    and I also am a very firm believer in Jesus Christ, and believe the sadistic truths on this site, of what's happening in the world and entertainment industry but I don't see Satan in the elevator. It's the reflection of the door. She seems to be acting strange but I think she's talkin to someone in the hallway. I think towards end of video when doors are opening and shutting that they are going up or down the floors. I think she was murdered and I believe its def an inside job as for everything else that's goin on there. The owner or someone in owners family or an employee there is prob to blame for the crimes that happen there, probably involved in some sick stuff, and may like to commit crimes related to horror movies?

  126. Olka says:

    Believe it or not, but it seems like there is something standing in an elevator, after Eliza went out.

  127. sittingcoffin says:

    From Gary Heidnik to Richard Ramirez to Charles Manson to Otis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas…they all have military connections (Otis Toole and Lucas both pardoned by two separate Bushes in two separate states, hmm why?) and there are many that believe that serial killers dispatch both planned hits and unplanned hits. This hotel seems to have been a dispatch site friendly to crime and murder for years. CIA agents and Satanists were probably all over the place the night this poor woman was murdered…nude and jumped into a water tank, really?

  128. det says:

    At one point it almost looks like she's braiding someone's hair.

    • Kailee says:

      In the movie, Dark Water, the ghost of a mother who died went into a malfunctioning elevator and started braiding her daughters hair….

  129. RIA says:

    at around 2.58…when the elevator door shuts..it looks like the video was edited…it happens too quickly…when you look at the other times when the door opens and closes, its smooth.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      signs of f a l s e f la g

    • amaryllis says:

      Don't read too much into every minute detail of that video. It is (obviously) doctored in places and not especially reliable. In our surveillance society, we come to regard unlikely-to-be-retouched digital images as objective truth. However, you would be surprised that in a court of law they are extremely wary of going there and more usually than not, cctv is seen as an excuse to disprove evidence rather than embrace it.

  130. Teresa says:

    That poor girl….can only imagine what must have been going through her mind. And I am never taking an elevator again…….

  131. Alvaiz Everrard says:

    A piece of trivia or not;

    The Cecil Hotel:
    'Cecil' from the Latin 'Caecilius' , from 'Caecus' meaning 'Blind; Secret, Dark.

    Make of it what you will.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      That's not only interesting it's super relevant especially when reading Sam's comment which is below yours currently when comments are sorted by rating. I will mirror it here.

      SAM

      Another weird thing about this story is that we also have a Cecil Hotel in Calgary, Alberta. It opened in 1912 or 1914, and it was also the epicentre of evil, death, and darkness,. People were murdered there every year. It was the seediest hotel around – home to protitution, drunks, drugs, and murders. It's closed now, but still standing.

      What is it about the Cecil that invites such darkness?

  132. Shrim79 says:

    I have watched this video several times in an attempt to understand just what is so unsettling about it, aside from the fact that these appear to be the last few minutes in which the girl was alive…

    She enters the elevator quickly, but takes her time to press the buttons. If somebody were after me, I'd be a little quicker about getting in there and mashing the buttons. She does nonetheless appear to be freaked out, peaking out from time to time and hiding in a corner.

    I agree that the elevator not closing COULD BE because she accidently hit the override button, but am not entirely sure about this, hard to see exactly which buttons were and were not pressed due to quality and camera distanceplacement. The doors seem to start closing, but stop (:12 – :15). I am not sure though, that this explains why the doors shut only after she is long gone and not any time before then.

    After cautiously and hesitantly leaving the elevator, why does it take her so long to get back in? (:40- 1:32)

    The second time she leaves the elevator, what I find most unnerving is that she appears to be talking and gesturing to some unseen figure on the right, then she walks to the left.

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Could have been playing hide and seek with someone. I used to do that in hotels with family when I was a kid.

  133. dozmen says:

    the most creepiest article I've ever read here.

  134. irishconnell says:

    So can anyone tell me at what point the devil makes his appearance. I mean using the timeline of the video at what time mark does he show. And where are the horns everyone says they keep seeing, again using the timeline on the video.

  135. SKEEEI says:

    So what's in the "Lam-Elisa" cure???? Yea I wouldn't have trusted that !

  136. Veronica says:

    i would love to read more articles like this

  137. frenzy says:

    what floor was she in? this is definitely the freakiest article I've read damn :0

  138. sittingcoffin says:

    She was on the 14th floor in this video (really, the 13th), and the 14 floor is all apartments. What was she doing up there?

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Oh and February 1st is Imbolc, a high holy day for planetary energy/witchcraft. Coincides with her disappearance date (last seen 1/31)

  139. Dee says:

    Question – Would soaking in a tank filled with water for 2 weeks flush out any possible drugs?

  140. Andiepoo says:

    Why at the end of the video clip did the elevator door start to "work", as though someone pushed the button to get in, but the door opened and closed with no one entering or leaving??

  141. Kristy says:

    When I read the story about Elisa Lam I knew it was very suspicious and plainly eerie. When the story first came out, I watched the footage and it made me uncomfortable and thoughts ran through my head. There's something behind all of this. Thanks VC!

  142. amaryllis says:

    I wish people would stop freaking out about demons. They cannot do anything to you if you purify your body and soul and have faith in God. My name was signed in blood as a child by an adult as a means of lessening a specific emotional burden on that adult (done in their own blood). Apparently, I was "signed over back to God" but this assertion poses obvious logical/spiritual difficulties from my adult point of view though I fully accept that It was purely motivated by love and it instantaneously had the desired effect as if by magic. Even I stubbornly reserve my right to believe in God and I have never let demons/drink/drugs into my life despite it being all around me right from the start. I have never lost control of my life/mind/body – not even for the duration of a good party. If I can do it then anyone can.

  143. gaybird says:

    There is a lot of research and speculation on the web about Elisa Lam's death and it bears investigation because this has been presented to the public for what I believe are specific reasons. My point is that many people die everyday in bizarre accidents, but we don't read or hear about this level of interest.

    My questions are : Why Elisa Lam? Why at The Cecil Hotel? Why did she behave the way she did just before her murder? How did she end up in the water tank, undetected for two weeks, naked and why didn't anyone notice she was gone or that the water was tainted by her body until the guests complained? Why the TB outbreak in the same exact vicinity and the Lam-Elisa "test" ? Why are the police going to such lengths to cover up what so obviously appears to be foul play? Why did the police release the security video which not only illustrates Elisa's bizarre behavior just prior to her death, but has been proven by researchers to have been tampered with – not by hotel security, but by the police themselves – prior to it's release. And finally, why the undeniably bizarre mirroring of the movie "Dark Water".

    1. Elisa Lam – She was a 21 yr. old college student from Canada. She had no history of mental illness of any kind. She had no history of drug or alcohol abuse. Her friends and family uniformly described her as well adjusted and happy. No knows why she went to LA. She had no plans to become and actress and was not moving there, only visiting,

    Though one strange note, she had just started a new job in Vancouver, had expressed how broke she was and no one close to her knows how she got the money or was given the time off to take a vacation to LA. which wasn't planned in advance or announced ahead of time. As far as anyone knew, she hadn't met a new boyfriend online from LA or anything like that and no investigation of her communications revealed anything. I can't remember the name of the company she had recently been employed by, but it didn't seem sinister or connected to all this. Lam is the name Aleister Crowley gave to his "spiritual guide" whom he claimed guided him in all his affairs. He drew a picture of Lam that some say looks like an alien grey. Lam is also pronounced exactly the same as lamb.

  144. gaybird says:

    2. The Cecil Hotel – Why Elisa Lam would choose The Cecil is anyone's guess. It's cheap. Young tourists commonly stay there, but it's in a really seedy part of LA where there is a lot of crime, prostitution, etc. (I know first hand where it's located and not many single women would feel at ease there.) and it has an unsavory reputation, what with all the suicides, serial killers and transients who have and currently stay there. The Cecil is what's called a residents hotel meaning some rooms are are permanently rented out and tenants live there and call it home, specifically the two top floors, the 14th and 15th. Many believe The Cecil is the hotel in the Eagles' song "Hotel California".

    3. The Tape – Elisa seems to be playing a game or a role rather than hiding in terror from a pursuer. She seems playful, though strange, as she peers around the corner of the elevator, hides in the corner and jumps in and out. Almost childlike. She obscures the buttons from the camera with her body the first time she presses them, but then repeats the pressing after apparently not seeing whoever it was she was expecting.

    She doesn't randomly press every button, but one specific row down the center of the panel and she repeats the pressing of these same buttons. She is on the 14th floor when we see her, which is actually the 13TH FLOOR, as the hotel has superstitiously omitted the number 13 which is common practice. The 14th (13TH) floor is a residents floor and why a short time guest like Elisa would even be on that floor is strange.

    The floor numbers she presses are : 10, 7 and 4 which added together = 21. Elisa's age was 21. She died on 2 /1 / 13 and was last seen on the 13th floor. Very strange.

    Why the door stayed open so long is another mystery, even with the door open button pushed repeatedly.

    Her strange hand movements directed toward the right side of the hallway are in the same direction she had previously peeked and when she hid, the corner in which she hid would have obscured her from someone coming from that same direction so obviously she was looking for someone she already knew would come from that direction.

    Her hand movements did not seem random. They seemed to follow a prescribed pattern, were unnatural and not at all spontaneous. Reminding me of ritual motions I've witnessed wiccans perform when casting a spell. After the hand motions she turns and disappears from camera in the opposite direction from where she had previously focused her attentions.

  145. gaybird says:

    4. The Body in the Water Tank – How could she have gotten in that tank by herself and close the heavy lid behind her and why? If she was going to commit suicide why not just jump off the roof since she was already up there? Drowning in a tank would be a long and tortuous death. She would have been able to tread water for some time as it was impossible for the tank to be filled to the brim since it has a domed roof and if filled completely, would have gushed a good deal of water onto the roof as soon as it was opened, so any way you look at it there is an air pocket at the top.

    Where did she remove her clothes and what did she do with them? She was dressed in the tape. The clothes, if she removed them herself would have to be there somewhere. She could have thrown them off the roof, but why? If she was committing suicide why would she want to hide her clothes? If she was crazily "going for a swim" she would need her clothes after she finished swimming. Her being naked makes no sense unless someone else removed her clothes and disposed of them to get rid of some kind of incriminating evidence.

    How she got to the roof at all is a mystery. Only staff have keys to the access door and it has an alarm which apparently was working the night she died. The staff were all supposedly interrogated and cleared of involvement in her death. The only other way was to climb a fire escape from the 15th floor to the roof. How likely is it that she went through a room on the 15th floor and out the window then climbed the fire escape 150 feet in the air to the roof? Unseen by anyone?

    In the two weeks that followed prior to the discovery of her body in the tank, why did no one on the staff of The Cecil notice the foul smelling "black" water running from the tapes? No maid that cleaned rooms or another staff member using the employee bathroom or making coffee, etc. ever reported this. The guests brushed their teeth, bathed in and drank water that had the fluids from a deteriorating body in it for two weeks before it was investigated.

    5 The LAM-ELISA test – How anyone can think the outbreak of TB that followed within days of Elisa's death in the exact same area that is diagnosed using the LAM-ELISA test is pure coincidence is living in a fantasy world. It was a "test" alright, but a test of what? And for added punch, we have the mirroring of Elisa's name and the "test"'s name.

    6. The police released the tape of Elisa after they had examined it. I won't go into detail here, but there are many great researchers who have analyzed this tape and proven it has been edited. Why would the LAPD release a tape that can be proven to be tampered with? According to the researchers who have proven the tampering occurred, it would have been impossible for the hotel personnel to have performed the sophisticated editing prior to its release to the LAPD as evidence and if somehow the hotel personnel had managed the tampering, why wouldn't the police have made that public knowledge instead of presenting the tape as an accurate representation of exactly what had been recorded that night?

    Yes, the time stamp has been altered and there are missing fractions of recording. Why would the LAPD go to such trouble to falsify the tape if Elisa's death was an accident? And why release the eery tape at all? Especially with the very creepy ending of the empty elevator opening and closing at all the empty floors corresponding to the buttons Elisa had pressed.

    6. "Dark Water" movie – It's simply no accident that the movie so directly parallels the circumstances of Elisa's death. Watch the movie yourself and see.

    I think the reason this case has been thrust into the limelight is to cast a complex spell. It is worth thinking about, remembering and watching as events unfold to see if it worked and what it's meant to accomplish. It is a "test" for future evil.

    Thanks so much, VC for shedding the light on this poor girl's murder. God rest her soul. Whether she was complicit or not, she was still a child of God.

    Don't fear them. They are mean little satan worshiping psychopaths who will be destroyed. God promised that and hasn't broken a single promise he ever made. This is our covenant with Him. Love Christ. He's the answer.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      If you're looking for a response here's one. This comment is one of the Top 10 best comments of the 1200+ on here right now

      • gaybird says:

        Thank you. Unfortunately most don't want to examine the facts and would rather scare themselves with thoughts of the boogie-man under the bed.

        Maybe you'll come up with some answers.

      • Vivian says:

        This was great! I agree with Sanat Toma'.

    • KMS says:

      As you have pointed out MANY things…please notice the last time the door closes then opens the windows are red instead of black…

  146. Marc says:

    This is pure speculation on my part and I may be reaching for a connection but if anyone is familiar with Aleister Crowley and the 'extra-terrestrial' intelligence he communicated with in 1919; the name of the entity he communicated with was Lam. Also, if one rearranges the first 5 letters in Aleis-ter, one can spell elisa.

  147. Chelsea says:

    Anyone here seriously saying this was the work of the devil has never tried hallucinogens. This is a classic display of the symptoms of ingesting one of many kinds of hallucinogenic drugs. She's paranoid, but curious… Her depth perception is off, she's making weird movements as if she sees things she is trying to interact with around her. Do you know how many people have done drugs and then found themselves stripped down naked passed out somewhere odd? It's like, the classic "bad trip" story. Especially if this was her first time, or she was slipped something she wasn't prepared to experience, this is exactly the outcome you would expect.

    There are also reasonable explanations or all those other eerie details…

    The elevator doors stayed open because not only did she push ALL of the buttons, including the hold door button but she also stepped out several times tripping the hold door sensor. Notice it started to work fine as soon as she stepped out and stayed out for more than a few seconds.

    The doors to the roof were not locked. The employees lied about that one.

    She threw her clothes off the roof. Or possibly an employee found them and lied about that one too.

    She slipped in the opening at the top of the tank and couldn't find her way out.

    They couldn't find any drugs in her system because she had been floating in a tank of water for two weeks. It's difficult to test for these drugs in a living human… they can be out of the system in a day. Add to that the possibility that this could have been one of those experimental drugs that examiners don't even know what to test for.

    Either way, this doesn't look eerie, it's unfortunate yes, but it's pretty common behavior for someone who's on drugs.

    • La Brea says:

      It is believed that being under the influence of drugs or alcohol and especially hallucinogens causes the person to give up control of their body and therefore possibly give that control to an unseen force like a "demon." This is very common in all cultures and religions throughout history, including biblical times which warned about this. Also see voodoo etc. Science really has no explanation of why some people loose control of their body and do horrific or uncharacteristic things while others do not. Clearly there are other forces at work other than someone just being "high" or "tripping" Some recent examples are like the "Miami Cannibal" case last year. Not everyone that does drugs like hallucinogens becomes taken over but certainly this is a possibility.

      • gaybird says:

        It's not difficult to detect drugs in a dead body for years after the person died because a dead body cannot metabolize any longer. That's what happens in a living person's body and how the drugs are no longer in the living person's system, but a dead body has ceased all functions, including the ability to metabolize drugs and alcohol.

        There were no drugs or alcohol involved. She had no history of using either.

    • iti oj says:

      thank you for the voice of reason.

  148. DisturbingAnomalies says:

    The last night Elisa Lam was seen alive was January 31, the eve of Imbolc.

    Other events that have occurred on this date:

    -The execution of Guy Fawkes for his involvement in the Gunpowder Plot on January 31, 1606. The plot was organized by Jesuits and Lord Cecil (!).

    -On January 31, 1915, Germany becomes the first country to make large-scale use of poison gas.

    -Eddie Slovik becomes the first U.S. soldier executed for desertion since the Civil War on January 31, 1945.

    -On January 31, 1945, 3,000 inmates are marched into the sea by the Nazis at the Stutthof concentration camp.

    -On January 31, 1968, the Viet Cong launch the Tet Offensive.

    The eve of Imbolc is clearly closely associated with death rites. Though I suspect there may possibly be more going on here. Perhaps what we're looking at is a building known in elite circles to be the home of dark entities and then allowed to function as a hotel for the purposes of a portal to the darkness in a perfect location for sacrificial rites, with streams of people moving in and out every day. Recall that the building was a popular place for "transients," and a cultists could probably mix into the scene.

    I think there is a strong correlation between 'portals' connecting our reality to evil forces and the elite. Look at "Greystone Park," the new film by Sean Stone where a government psychiatric hospital that was involved in mind control programs (including psychic driving) is revealed to be filled with occult symbolism and even the home of a satanic chapel. Left unexplained but bare for all to see, this was an esoteric signal to the masses that psychiatry and government mind control programs are deeply connected with the occult. This was also hinted at in "Shutter Island," starring Leonardo DiCaprio (an active Freemason). Early on in the film, the director of the secret asylum for the criminally insane, admits to being a "consultant" for intelligence agencies and is shown to have a statue of Pan, a horned god representative of the "god of the witches" worshiped all over Europe by the cult underground. This was the model for Satan.

    The Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal, Canada was the major site of mind control programming outside of the U.S. It was led by Dr. Ewen Cameron, who was the undisputed leader of the psychiatric field during his day. The funding for the Institute came from the Rockefeller Foundation and the Human Ecology Fund, the latter a CIA front. The Institute was housed in a Gothic mansion (Ravenscrag) and within its walls highly advanced, electromagnetic mind control research was being conducted. Funding was officially cut the day that President Kennedy was assassinated. Montreal has seemingly become a site for strange ritual tragedies in Canada. The shooting at Dawson College, allegedly inspired by Columbine High, was, according to the official narrative, carried out by an amateur satanist named Kimveer Gill who made statements suggestive of mind control and surveillance (gang stalking) before his attack. Witnesses at the college maintain that there were four armed suspects in trench coats, and that two were found dead at the scene, not simply Gill. One was an older man in military fatigues. Montreal was also where Luka Magnotta filmed his gruesome murder of Lin Jun not long after speaking to Derek Mackinnon, who starred in an occult-themed horror film (Terror Train) as a deranged serial killer who cut up his victims. Mackinnon's father is the commander of an air force base in Nova Scotia, and Magnotta, who received strangely lax treatment from the police before his capture, retained Luc Leclair as his lead attorney. Leclair was formerly the organizer of campaigns for Defence Minister Peter MacKay. Another of his attorneys, Raphael J. Feldstein, recused himself from the case months ago for an undisclosed "conflict of interest" – what could this have been? What is known is that Feldstein has been involved with B'nai B'rith, the Masonic group for Jews that is behind the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Dicaprios a Freemason? Never heard that. Then again, I dont know many current celebrities in the club.

      • amaryllis says:

        Well, he enjoys a restricted range of it's PRACTICAL benefits in the form of young, bikini-clad chicks but they probably exhaust him too much to allow him time to grapple with masonic philosophies

    • Marlene says:

      Also remember that January ( 1st date of the month) , 31, 2013 = 1+3+1+2+1+3=11 /// which is an occult number ? Also the date her body was discovered also added up to the number 11 .. Pardon me if I'm wrong.

  149. Taedei says:

    Here's a thing Never Ever book a room in Cecil Hotel … That freaked the sh*t outta me esp when I saw her weird behavior in the elevator

  150. ashley says:

    at the 50 sec. mark when she is peeking out the door– it looks like she is pushed! no one steps forward like she did—– this is insane!

    • Brit says:

      No one steps forward like she did?? Uh, except people who are acting completely bizarrely. Did the thing that "pushed" her also force her to make strange hand movements and jump around as though she were having some sort of hallucination too?

  151. Ahma'd chihabi says:

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    oki and hope the admin. takes this serious ..since we all convinced that this is something that can be the best of all time of what's been given to us through this trusted website,we ask you if you please go ahead on this subject on more details and evidences about the creepy connection with the dark water film thing . This can be the best we've ever seen honestly .. and the Cecilia girl from the film and the name of the hotel .. god ..made me shiver again even now … The best of 2013 is this article .

  152. Andrew says:

    I stayed one night in that hotel in 2001. HORRIBLE! Mostly crack addicts and prostitutes.

  153. robbo says:

    the more these demons kill, the more power they have. the simple solution to this problem, is that it could have started with a little child that was just trying to reach out to someone, but got sick of trying to get help, and decided to start playing with people, and decided that was more fun. since he couldnt get into trouble for it, he kept going. wont say more cause some people might not sleep if i say my full version. but basic version, and most probably true, people died in that area where that building lies, in an horrific way and wanted to be heard instead of being buried and forgotten. a demon has to get his power from somewhere……….

  154. joestevens82 says:

    Is it just me or does it look like 2 different Elisa Lams in the above videos?

  155. Genivieve says:

    This reeks of Illuminati/NWO shit. Looks to me like an attempt to wipe LA clean of skid row… I mean, the tuberculosis outbreak and the test? It's like they are trying to send a message..

  156. Javaid says:

    I don't wanna comment on girls mental condition or supernatural stuff but the way elevator's door did not close (and close after) is bizarre, which makes me think that it was a murder!!

  157. Dean says:

    she's under the protection of God inside the elevator. It's very obvious that God doesnt want her to go up.

  158. nume says:

    The way she is looking out into the hallway, it's clear to me that she is seeing something that frightens her…perhaps a spirit. This reminds me of the Japanese cartoon "Spirited Away". Perhaps she can see something someone else might not. Of course it is a demon, or demons. I believe she is trying to hide from them then get panic and pressed multiple buttons, but of course the door doesn't close. When she is out in the hallway, if you look close, you can see that she is watching perhaps a parade of them go by. The way she is standing in front of the elevator door looks like she is observing something going by. But then, when she is out there towards the end, it seems like something have put her hands up or she put them up towards her head. Then she is twisting her fingers or trying to break free. It seems like something has grab hold of her and perhaps caused her death. This was a disturbing story and a very creepy video. What is creepy is that it is real. The demons are everywhere…

    • scrier says:

      so the demons dragged her up the ladder, ripped off her clothes and tossed her in?
      are you another CIA shill with garbage? demons my ass- she was abducted by aliens (Crowley's sons) and drowned. FAIL
      she was murdererd by an illuminati cult ritual. or maybe the demons produced "Dark Water" and then reconstructed it in real life yrs later. the demon crap is the stupidest trolling to cover up a MURDER i've encountered. Nope.

  159. nume says:

    when i looked at the news video of her in the hallway, it appears like she jumped into the hallway as if to scare something. Then it looks as if she was trying to talk to someone when she was waving her arms around. I believe she was seeing demons or a demon, panic a bit and when she could not escape it, tried to reason with it. What is strange still is that only employees had access to the roof and a alarm would have went off to open the door. Also, what do the medical examiner means there was no bio hazard? This is a great example of a BIG bio hazard when people was bathing and drinking water that a decompose body was in for weeks..

    And what is the detective doing? Why was she down here alone from Canada? Was she alone?
    l

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      These are not only the questions that remain to be answered, these are the questions hat having not been answered or addressed, implicate the Medical Examiner and the LAPD in participating in this operation, which puts them into an elite level of criminality, in which death is not even a suitable punishment

  160. nume says:

    I seen that movie Dark Water, and this is very similar. Perhaps the answer lies in the movie..

  161. gooliaj29 says:

    did you guys know that the name of the TB test is called the "LAM ELISA"? that's freaky too

  162. tiffany says:

    This is so incredible. i am from Pennsylvania and never heard of this story; but when i read this article, i instantly got the shivers. I researched Richard Ramirez and i found out that he was an avowed Satanist. When i saw the elevator servalliance tape, i felt like the devil was playing tricks on her! this was scarier than any scary movie! this is so disturbing that i don't think i will be able to sleep tonight! its so chilling, yet you want to learn more about this mystery!

    • amaryllis says:

      Exactly, story was deliberately kept under wraps. I only know about Richard Ramirez because the first time I noticed his face in an article, I thought that it must be an entertainment article as he naturally rocked a beautiful rock'n'roll vibe. So I googled him and was like 'Okaaaaaaay, I* think I need to sit down'.

  163. Carrie says:

    Wonder why it's dark outside through out the whole video and in the last opening of the elevator it's red outside?

    • Bernuga says:

      A different floor with different colours

      • Carrie says:

        Not sure I believe that unless they tiled the floor exactly the same way on every floor?

      • Phoenix says:

        You fool. I know – that you know – how elevators work. She pressed the buttons while inside the elevator. When she finally gets out, and the doors finally close, the elevator proceeds to go down to the floors which correspond to the buttons she pushed. You can see the lit up buttons going out one at a time, from the top down. Meaning she was on one of the top floors when she got in the elevator and was trying to go down. Is it really that inconceivable that each floor in the hotel would be tiled the same??

  164. Uri says:

    Pay attention to body language.at the beginning of the video she is hiding. she is constantly moving around. at minute 1:02 she steps inside the elevator for a quick second and comes back out(calmed as if she was spotted) at minute 1:30 she comes back into the elevator not the same. she is holding her head (she just lifted her hands) and looks disoriented(maybe someone was speaking to her) after that she goes on acting all wierd. i truely believe someone was speaking to her mind.

  165. Edith says:

    OMG, I definitely wont be sleeping tonight…this is like a true horror movie. I will not watch these kind of movies anymore.

  166. bri says:

    She is clearly counting to 3 with using her hands after she does a weird petting the invisible animal thing. Almost like she was playing hide and seek or something the way she jumped out of elevator.

  167. Randi says:

    I think there is more going on that no one is thinking about there was someone there with her in the elevator u can see the shadow of the figure i think its something that has to do with the murders there maybe its the ghosts of the people that were killed there im a believer in that kind of stuff i do think there are spirits around us

  168. Tejas says:

    Did anyone else catch that the reporter mentioned, paraphrasing, "3 weeks ago, investigators did a thorough search of the hotel, and they used search dogs."

    Was that 3 weeks prior to her death? Strange indeed..

  169. sydnee says:

    Very creepy and the first thing that popped in my mind during elevator scene was demons. It's almost as if a demonic entity was messing with her, think abt how the elevator suddenly comes back to life and starts working normally. How she looks around, waves her hands seems paranoid. Sorry this is not bipolar shit. This is the other realm trying to torment someone to death and it worked.

    And the illuminati/Hollywood thing makes it more creepy. I think that hotel harbors demonic spirits due to the drug use, murders, rapes, prostitution and host of sins that take place there.

  170. jagon says:

    That woman has not family? nobody care to made a deeper investigation about her death?

  171. daphne says:

    I think she is autistic

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Autistic and telekinetic….. the ability to shut tank hatches after falling in the water right?

    • tiffany says:

      She couldnt have been autistic, she graduated from the University Of Vancouver, a Prestigious school in Canada.

  172. Sanat Toma' says:

    I remember reading about this story 8 months ago and immediately realizing something was askew within the first few paragraphs. The story as it was portrayed in LA newspapers wasn't even about Elisa Lam it was instead centered around the unlucky hotel guests who were drinking funny tasting funny colored water. Apparently many people had been complaining about the Water flavor and this particular couple Michael Baugh and his wife were the straw that broke the Cecil Hotel's resistance to investigating the cause of the massive number of complaints. Amazingly the story only mentioned the girl in the water tank as a side note, barely even mentioning her name, as they explained her away as some suicide who had caused the Water pressure problems. It then went on to cover all the trivial ways it had affected this couple's vacation as if I were reading an article in Travel Magazine. It was a terrifying moment in journalistic obfuscation for me. It was clear they had decided to report on this girl's death without reporting on it at all.

    It took only moments more of research to discover the official story made no sense whatsoever. A picture of the rooftop alone provided enough information to know that she would have needed a ladder to get up to the top….. and then there was the details provided by the Cecil Hotel that the rooftop was always locked and had an alarm system to keep people off the roof. With the limited details that were available one could safely surmise that the Water Tank was a perfect dump site for a criminal who was limited to the confines of the hotel, as for bringing a body out of the hotel just wasn't a possibility in this day and age. In addition someone who worked in the Hotel would have had to assist the criminal, or have been the criminal themselves, in order to bypass Hotel standard security protocol. It appeared to be a Cecil Hotel inside job, or Cecil Hotel assistance with Organized Criminals in the Hotel. And with the added efforts of Local newspapers and Police Work that was vague, dismissive, incomplete, and on its face absurd, it appeared to involve High Powered Information suppression on par with Mafia, Military Black Ops, NWO, or Illuminati take your pick with this being Hollywood and all. And now Vigilant Citizen has picked this story up and gone to the next level we now have all we need to understand this to the ritual level.

    This was pure witchcraft black magic garbage. The Luciferians use Spells to amplify their cause. Spells are not fantasy silliness and are not herbs spices and weird brews either. Spells are exactly what they say they are; they are Spells; Spellings, letters, and words. The black magician understands that Words manifest and produce reality, First there was the Word, and the alteration of Words can change reality structures altogether, this is the concept that is obvious but you will not find this info in Witchcraft books in Barnes and Noble I assure you. In this situation we have Dark Water. A picture is worth a thousand words, and a Movie is frame by frame worth a million and more. This was the first part of the spell. The "Lam Elisa" Tuberculosis test was the next major part of the spell. The woman Elisa Lam was the final human sacrifice aspect of the spell. The question is was the name of the Tuberculosis Test chosen after they had chosen their target Elisa Lam, or did they find a woman named Elisa Lam from global-wide databases to complete their spell as it related to their MAIN GOAL OF THE RITUAL, which was to spread tuberculosis through the Skid Row community. This was the black magic Luciferian objective, to spread massive disease, and to amplify their cause with a Major Motion Picture, a Tuberculosis Test, and a Female Human Target; and the SPELL was to provide identical SPELLings for the test subject ELISA LAM and the test kit LAM ELISA. And the SPELL continued with mirroring the movie Dark Water with the Cecil Hotel ritual killing in every way possible. The SPELL was to amplify the intention of causing Tuberculosis in an innocent American community to manifest into full fruition. This is the only site in America who will discuss Elisa Lam in a meaningful context the rest of American Media is absolutely too braindead, this is one for VC and VC participants….. all credit goes to Vigilant Citizen for providing additional details that are crucial to understanding this operation.

    • mzprincessmz@mac.com says:

      Good comment

    • Marlene says:

      I agree with your statement but my question is how on earth do we connect the lone Canadian student to downtown LA?

      Also, the girl in the video doesn't look very Chinese maybe a different Asian ethnicity.. The girl in the photo however does look Chinese.. Watching the girl in the vid and then looking at her picture I didn't feel a connection to the picture and I always have a gut feeling if something is off.

      I'm sad about this story because it's a messed up way to die. And justice isn't been given for the young lady found in the tank.

    • hvns says:

      Sanat Toma'
      You are right on so many levels.

  173. Sanat Toma' says:

    By no means do we have this solved, but we are on the right track, all roads lead to Luciferian Hollywood and a Demented Satanic Power Machine that has the means and resources to pull off such a gigantic time span ritual, and cover up its meaningful context in American Media by trivializing it when it's obviously a front page style Mystery. This is absolute bollocks and the Cecil Hotel must be fully investigated by all types of researchers in every field. It is absolutely criminal, absolutely disgusting, and absolutely demonic. There is no doubt demons were used in this assault on a poor innocent young lady. The demonic activity was amplified by the messed up hellhole geopathic history of the Cecil Hotel. It's clear the Hotel must be destroyed or blessed with the animating cleansing spirit of Jesus Christ and God's highest angels. Death to the Cecil Hotel and all who have participated in it's dark ritual killings since it first went live. Park Avenue 666 ain't got nothing on this place. Bring in the wrecking crew this was an INSIDE JOB

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      It's another day and I'm rereading my posts and everyone else's. We need to hold the hotel responsible for their likely participation and get down there and start asking some real questions on camera and post it on You Tube if their responses are informative or telling. It's clear the LAPD will not, and will very likely take part in blocking any real investigations (they are the Worst most recently setting fire and burning Christopher Dorner alive and then saying the next day that it was an accident that Dorner set the blaze even though there is audio of them saying "We have a fire, now burn that motherfucker"). But they cannot stop us renting out rooms and conducting our own interviews and examinations. We need paranormal researchers, ambush journalists, psychics, professional detectives, and concerned intellectually developed citizens to converge on this place simultaneously. There is something demented going on there and more people are going to die or become psychologically damaged if nothing is done. The elevator behaviors need to be investigated as well. The detectives assigned to the case need to be identified and interviewed, and/or researched as to their history with being involved in faulty investigations. In Japan that elevator video got 3 million views….. that basically means that the American Youtube interest is 1 million but yet only a third of the Japanese interest online. We can deduce that the International interest in this case is through the roof and that all eyes are on this case, but due to the lack of media attention, we are compartmentalized and don't realize how many other people are concerned about this. This is a major American Story and the concept of a dead body being distributed through the drinking water and bathing water of a Major Hotel isn't just interesting…. it's fascinating and even enough to serve as an attractive premise for a fictional Major Movie Production as we have seen in the past with Dark Water, it is even interesting enough to go pay to see as a work of FICTION!!!!! But yet we are expected to believe that something this bizarre is just a back page story and disappeared as if it were no big deal. Tear that fucking Hotel Down and grab Cecil by the neck and Strangle his Ghost. LAPD deserves to rot in hell. Death to Cecil Hotel and all it's Serial Killer ghosts, all it's present day criminals, and anyone involved in this poor girls death. May God destroy them and their wicked ways or provide power to those who will be brave enough to do so. Like I said Bring in The Wrecking Ball and tear it Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • D D d says:

        Please don't mention a thing called wrecking ball.

      • Sanat Toma' says:

        Haha so true we need to take a wrecking ball to Miley Cyrus's Wrecking Ball and reclaim the term

      • gaybird says:

        It's very interesting that Elisa Lam is of Chinese descent and the original story for DARK WATER that her murder mimics is derived from a Japanese author's short story (which was made into a film) considering the long history of hatred between the Chinese and Japanese centering around the atrocities committed on the Chinese by the Japanese in WWII (if memory serves me correctly). This may have something to do with the nature of the "spell" and it's symbolic meaning. A harbinger of WWIII perhaps and how they are trying to start it?

        It was also a huge story in China as well as Japan, with coverage all over the talk shows, etc. and even contests for people to try and solve Elisa's murder.

        I think you are right in many respects and the TB outbreak was an intentional precursor to something much larger in the works. An epidemic on the horizon?

        I also think the tainted water is important, otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed. I was important to have people unknowingly drinking this foul water. If not, some way, in the course of the several weeks prior to the discovery of Elisa's body, it would have been possible to secret her body from the hotel. Putting her body in the water tank was a sure way to have it discovered eventually and the gruesome reality of the guests having drank the black water, etc. to become public.

        I worked in the film business for years and Hollywood, of course, and it is not uncommon for a film or TV show to take years and years of planning prior to its production, so it's nothing for people in that business to plan this kind of thing for years. It's common practice.

        And yes, I think they sought out Elisa precisely for her name and ethnicity. She was perfectly "cast" in her role.

        Also the floor number she pressed on the panel. They were not random. They were 10, 7 and 4 which equals 21. Elisa was 31. She died in the early hours of 2/1.

        I wish commenters here would stop with the foolish and repetitive ideas of mental illness or drugs. It has been verified by many sources that she was not mentally ill and did not abuse drugs or alcohol and no drugs of any kind were found in her body.

        This is the work of high level satanists casting a spell on the world. by stating that, I'm not saying it worked. That remains to be seen. But it has certainly worked to end this poor girl's life and freak a lot of people out.

        This was some kind of major satanic "spell". I'm going to continue thinking about the puzzle pieces and how they fit together.

        I hope you do, too. Great work, ST.

      • gaybird says:

        Sorry, Elisa was "21", not "31". Damn typos…

  174. JC.Mer says:

    The reporter said that she was found naked at the bottom of the tank.. given her behavior in the elevator, we may say that she MIGHT be mentally ill……BUT if she did that to her self, why is she naked?, how did she accessed the roof top without activating the alarm? how did she get in the tank and turned the lid close again? and what the hell happened to the elevator??? whatever happened here, it's obvious that it's nothing usual.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Her clothes were most likely removed so they wouldn't clog up or get stuck in the water pipes…. far less soluble materials than Human bio-mass

    • Marlene says:

      I believe she was killed prior to being dumped into the tank.. Thus her being stripped beforehand. Being emersed in a great amount if water for a while will damage tissue, and other things that can determine influence of drugs, alcohol, wether she was raped or sexually assaulted.

      Messed up world we live in

  175. mark says:

    we don't know…

  176. ecognostic says:

    There is a website called whoiselisalam.org that might shed some answers to everyone's questions. Hope that helps.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Interesting website…… only because it's the only website that's named after a person that isn't even mentioned in the contents of the website

      • sittingcoffin says:

        check this one out – minddefense. wordpress . com . Author claims to be a Chinese Canadian on the inside of the mind control psy ops – a victim, blames everything on psychiatry and moral breakdowns. Elisa Lam takes up multiple posts, and can be seen at the links on the right.

  177. Issela Santina says:

    Dark Water is actually adapted from one of Kōji Suzuki's stories in the anthology of the same name, originally published under the title "仄暗い水の底から" [honogurai mizu no soko kara = from the depths of dark water]. The stories revolve more around human atrocities than supernatural forces (unlike his more famous saga, The Ring, which focuses more on demonic/ghostly forces in a modern setting).

    The 2002 (director: Hideo Nakata) and 2005 (mentioned; director: Walter Salles) films focus on one of its stories entitled "浮遊する水" [fuyū suru mizu = floating water]. If you've watched both, this might explain their similar story lines. However the water dripping from the ceiling was from another story in the book called Watercolors.

    The disturbing thing about reading this article with regards to this is that there's a possibility that the references of the 2005 film to Cecil Hotel's incidents may not be coincidental.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Super interesting comment providing Word play with the Directors name whose first name contains the word Water and whose last name contains the anagram for Elisa
      Walter Salles…..I and lower case l's interchangeable obviously just look at the abbreviation for Illinois (Ill.)

  178. celestial says:

    Somebody call the Winchester brothers!!!

  179. Kathy says:

    Idk if it was a trick of the light, but there appeared to be some type of mist in the elevator after the girl was gone, and maybe it was matrixing, but I did see what looked like a face in that mist. Whether this is the case or not, dark entities are drawn to places where there has been violence, sin, blood, murder, etc. There is no telling what happened to that poor girl!

  180. Mike says:

    what do you expect the police to come out and say ya, it was a paranormal death? she was being chased by a demon who helped her into a water tank on the roof.? The only thing they can do is say she had mental problems, which is not backed by anything or anyone.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Demons is a side story…. there was clear and evident human involvement as well…. LAPD cover up everything they are the worst…. she needed a key, a ladder, and telekinetic powers to close the Water Tank hatch…. that's what we expect the police to address

      • Mike W says:

        Whats with all the nut jobs posting about demons and spirits? She was clearly being told directions from someone standing in the hall, most likely a staff or former staff member who knew the security cam layout. That would explain why the elevator never closes (the person in the hall is pressing the button, telling her what to do to make it look as if she was on drugs or something IDK) , and also explains how the alarm did not go off when the roof was accessed, and how the water tank shut after her body entered… Someone in the previous comments mentioned that the video looks a little patched together aswell, give it a close look.

      • gaybird says:

        Demons can't lift bodies and put them in water tanks, but people can. Demons can reside inside of people and warp their thinking so they commit evil acts, but it takes the human's participation. Always. Period.

        All these folks going off about the demons or ghosts or whatever murdering this girl have watched too many movies and have fallen for the propaganda.

        The video is tampered with and there are some great researchers on youtube who have proven how. Give them a look if you're interested in what was done.

  181. Happ says:

    Reminds of "The Shining" and "666 Park Avenue". My sister was the victim of an LA serial killer in the early sixties. Luckily she survived a horrendous experience and her assailant didn't.

  182. Pinoy Gigs says:

    Very creepy…

  183. Sunny says:

    I don't get how she got in the water tank? they had to cut a hole in it to get her out? :S

    But i don't see the connection with the film Dark water. The movie you are referring to is a remake of a Japanese horror film, the names are not the same as the original so i do not see a connection more a coincidence :)

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      How can you not see such an obvious overt connection under an article which cleverly connects them for you? Third Eye Blind?

  184. Sceptical says:

    Firstly, the elevator door shuts abruptly the first time, almost like the recording skipped or was tampered with. It didn't shut smoothly as the others. Yes, the 'door hold' button could have easily been pressed. The 'door hold' button gets released moments later and that's when she presses the buttons again to ensure the 'door hold' remains on.

    Secondly, people forget that there is a fire escape that could have been accessed.

    Thirdly, there are assumptions that the hole in the top of the tank is what was cut away by the firefighters. This is not the case. There is a man hole on all the tanks. The tank would have been cut from a lower section of the tank to release the water. The release pipes were blocked by the body and the body would have been more easily accessible through the cut away rather than climbing in through the top with a full tank of water.

    My conclusion is that there is no paranormal activity present. She either had mental issues or foul play was in play by a living person and not some sort of evil presence.

    • StayCalm says:

      I've read all the comments on this post so far, and this is best. Most logical one I've seen by far.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Nevermind the paranormal theories then and spend more time analyzing the Earthly aspects….. what are your thoughts on some of the more hardcore coincidences and evidences it seems like you are more concerned with the easily dispelled aspects of the story, looks like you are throwing the Babies out with the Dark Bathwater. Boring Examination absolute FAIL. You didn't even spell Skeptical correctly looks like you meant Susceptible as in Susceptible to obvious lies as in Gullible try again brainiac

    • gaybird says:

      It's "skeptical", not "sceptical", which makes me a little skeptical considering several things besides your lack of spell check.

      First, the fire escape to the roof is only accessible through a window in an apartment, it doesn't just have general random access as that would be illegal and that's the actual case, so she would have had to go through someone's apartment on the 15th floor and then ascend 150 feet in the air to the roof undetected. Not likely.

      Secondly, it has been proven that Elisa Lam had no mental issues whatsoever at any point in her entire life nor was she using drugs of any kind.

      Thirdly, there is no reason they couldn't have cut the hole at water level to remove the body rather than at the bottom of the tank, spilling all that foul tainted water (1000's of gallons) onto the roof to run off down the side of the building to the ground below and possibly losing some forensic evidence in the process.

      • Dubio says:

        Jesus, I know I'm late to the party, but I have to point this out because I see it EVERYWHERE: Sceptical is the British-English spelling of the word. It is not incorrect.

  185. m. curran says:

    someone, possibly a concierge, was preventing the elevator door from closing, from the control room.

    • scrier says:

      Agreed. Even if she had pushed the 'door open' button along with the others- it would not have taken so very long for the door to close. even when she got outside- it took forever to close. only if she had NOT pushed any other floors (nor anyone else on other floors trying to bring lift down) would elevator have just sat there so long. in fact, usually requests for that many floors would have hurried the doors closed. which is probably why she pushed so many buttons.
      Centrally controlled as you say- or more likely- the assailant holding button outside of view in the hall (someone who is very acquainted with where the cameras reach). She is pleading with him it seems. then she gives up, goes to stairwell. perp waits for doors to close and then follows her to stairs. the rest is ugly history.
      seems she didnt scream? no signs of struggle? did her clothes ever show up? THAT is nail in the coffin for the suicide theory. this was a homocide all the way, with collusion by masonic network

      • Traditional Girl says:

        She looks like she is hypnotized. Someone had a dark motive and did have control of the elevators or possibly a way to broadcast sounds to her. I agree this was probably an inside job – I wouldn't put it past the CIA. Why, I have no idea. But I have read about their mind control antics before – and yes they have led innocent people to suicide.

        I also think your take on it could be right on. Either way, the bad guys were manipulating things. She obviously was disturbed and heard something.

  186. kentdelacruz says:

    I hate elevators…….

  187. A.R.Ridge says:

    I watched this video repeatedly, studied it closely. The building being as old as it is. I wouldn't doubt that the buttons all being pushed, as they were. Would cause it to jam. As many elevators do.

    What I recognized easily is she was spooked. When she hid in the corner. She heard something or someone. Either by her own mind and or possibly a entity as suggested. Though I think it unlikely it was anything people here are suggesting.
    Her antics seem that of someone in the middle of a bi-polar moment.
    Which they and It can look, feel, and seem as though the person is drunk. The person dealing with it is unaware of it when its happening. And or will question, openly and out loud. As it appeared she did with her hand gestures and arm movement. She reached out as if to question. Or questioning motion. with her arms reaching out. "what am I doing?!?" "Why isn't the elevator moving fast enough"? Over all, she was VERY spooked. This is very evident to me. Which sure some old spirits can do that. But the power to physically do anything via a spirit simply isn't there. Death means dead. If there are spirits about there. They have no idea they are dead. & are simply re-enacting all they ever last knew. & now know no better. I just don't believe there is strength enough for a live body or other wise to be affected by a dead spirit as people suggest here.
    Many bi-polar's question them selves in the middle of a episode. If not on meds. She may very well had induced herself, into a bi polar episode. due to not taking the meds. Or in dyer need of them.
    She seemed frustrated at one point. She also seemed scared. As if she heard someone coming.
    And if your in a bi-polar moment. Your gonna hide. For fear of discovery and humiliation. it;s often far more damaging and the very fear some hide from. is fear to be discovered as a bi polar.
    In regards to how she got in the water tank.
    Not to be terribly cold an callused. But we human beings are the real true cock roaches of this rock we are on. We are proof as we breath daily, that where there is a will, there is a way. What ever may had spooked her, may had fallowed her either in her own minds eye, or a very real individual. I suspect if it was in her minds eye. She put herself in that tank. Her mind taking her further in being spooked, as it had to of been dark in that tank. It isn't hard to use leverage to pull a tank lid like that shut. Gravity and leverage is a best friend in equipment like that. Rituals do not consist of water tanks and all the extra's people tossed in here. Common sense and having been around hoards of people should tell you this was all more over about this gal's mind state then anything evil or menacing.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Actually the door closes when floor buttons are pressed, especially when pressing more of them, havent you done that as a child?

      And when was the last time you have seen a bi-polar diagnosis be the explanation for bypassing locked doors, slipping past Security alarm systems, and climbing large Water tanks with no ladder, and closing Tank hatches after diving in….. you seriously wrote that long of a comment without knowing anything? Come on dude you are trying to throw the Baby out with the Dark Bath Water

      • Reenie says:

        Exactly- inside job and sadly murder

      • scrier says:

        elisa lam looks more japanese than chinese.

      • meowl says:

        Actually the girl in the pics.. she looks Chinese.. i know, i'm Asian..Lam is also a Chinese surname and the girl in the video looks nothing like the one in the pics.

      • Traditional Girl says:

        She looks like she is hypnotized. Someone had a dark motive and did have control of the elevators or possibly a way to broadcast sounds to her. I agree this was probably an inside job – I wouldn't put it past the CIA. Why, I have no idea. But I have read about their mind control antics before – and yes they have led innocent people to suicide.

  188. Erik says:

    This post sends such chills through my body.
    I actually went on an open job interview once for a front desk position at this hotel!
    Never got any creepy vibes but it is a really shoddy run down place, so the history behind it is unsurprising. The woman who interviewed me was kind of out of it and rude come to think of it :-p
    I am never going near this place again!

  189. qsr786 says:

    She knew defenetely that she pressed the "HOLD" button. She was waiting for someone and she wanted to scare this person. At 1:50 you see in the video that she stepps out of the elevator, that means that she did know that the elevator will not close.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      I'm assuming you watched the elevator video and otherwise have no idea of other details…. read up on the case and come back and try again

      • qsr786 says:

        Believe me I have read more than you, everyone is thinking that the eleveator had a problem, but the real thing is, that she pressed the HOLD button. When she saw that the door is not closing why she didnt pressed the button to close the door?

      • scrier says:

        you dont know that she didnt press it.
        it is impossible for you or anyone to be certain exactly what she pushed.
        unless you continue to keep your finger on the door open button- it never stays open that long. i have many many black & blu marks to prove it- from closing elevators, around the world.
        the hotel may be old, but the elevators had just been redone along with the 20+ M $$ renovation of the facility.

  190. Nick says:

    this is truly some freaky disturbing shit
    those hand movements, the fear, i really feel sorry for her.
    she was trying to runaway from something.

    just another young woman made into a sacrifice.
    what was she doing there anyway

    may her soul R.I.P.

  191. Giusi says:

    When a body is found in a water tank or a well it is always ritual sacrifice, wells are a constant element in freemasonic/rusicrucian ritual murders

  192. bernard says:

    My spooky meter went off the chart!

  193. Asdfghjkl says:

    What if she also pressed th hold button on the elevator and that's why it wasn't closing?

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      That's possible but less likely when you consider all the other massive levels of weirdness in this case

    • amaryllis says:

      or had pressed the alarm at the start (though not shown in this section of footage). No audio so who knows?

      • D D d says:

        Might explain why she hides in the corner at first , and later when an alarmed personel could be expected she comes out , carefully. Don't know, still interpreting.

  194. the net says:

    if you look at the screen wjile the doors are.opening and shutting you can see an eye around the edge of the screen.

  195. amaryllis says:

    If she took anything, I would say PMA

    • scrier says:

      she didnt do drugs and NO substances were found in the autopsy. if they had been – you can bet that fact would have been played up to the hilt by the hotel; because it would reduce the hotel's culpability for her death and lawsuits
      NO DRUGS.
      what about NO do you not understand?

  196. checker99 says:

    In the video she is high looks drunk. It looks like she's hiding from someone in the elevator. If you press or hold the elevator call button outside the elevator, the doors will usually not close. I suspect her murderer is there just off camera, and knows about the location of the cameras in that hotel. He convinces her to use the stairs. After soaking 2 weeks in a water tank, no traces of alcohol nor many other water-soluble drugs would still be present. How did she get in the water tank? — Someone put her in there.

  197. John Gault III says:

    Check out the reflection on the elevator wall in the bottom left……

  198. BabyVigilant says:

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :( This has freaked me out big time.

    Could anybody explain to me what a ritualistic murder actually is?

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      I want to answer your question but I think I already have in my previous comment it's a long one further up this same page- Page 4….. ritualistic murders will always show organization with seemingly forced coincidences which amplify the intention of the cause

  199. Marlene says:

    Hi vigilant citizen and readers!

    I have been following your site for probably a year plus and would like to say thanks for bringing issues to normal folks out there who are seeking light in a world full of darkness. This act of courage and fight has inspired me to share information and thoughts on matters affecting regular people and things that the sick illuminati cult members are plotting for the absolute destruction on this world god created. Hopefully by the time your next article is published I will have some posts of my own on my new blog and I would encourage everyone on this site to work together, remember knowledge is power, tell your friends, partner, family, colleagues, neighbours because I believe the end is nigh.

    On the article itself:
    I have read the article and have done a bit of my own research (as truth seekers usually do).

    I watched the video a few times, I have also looked at other articles written about her mysterious death and there doesn't seem to be any sense made from article to article. I personally believe Elisa Lam was a MK ultra victim and she was experiencing a glitch (her hands were almost robotic, which is very non human like even if one is on drugs they just seemed to flop about…weird huh) .. Also the date she went missing January which is the first month of the year… On the 31..2013 (think about it 1+3+1+2+1+3= 11, isn't the number 11 meant to be a number that occultist love.. There was also a date when her body was discovered this day too added up to the number 11 ..a coincidence.. Who knows? I don't think it is) I believe Lam was a MK ultra victim, who was sent out to California to be some sort of guinea pig for whatever medical mass product they wanted to release into the world to kill and harm people. The fact no one is asking for answers is to shady. Any death that is quickly covered up and mismatched is always shady even ones that are thoroughly investigated. I believe elisa was a sacrificial LAMb and I believe her family and the people who are behind the scenes should be through,y investigated.

    The cops and judges and coroners are all involved so no use saying they need to do their job. REMEMBER people that the illuminati workmen and women work in ALL industry sectors and will cover things up to block your path to them.. They are policemen, doctors, lawyers, judges etc that are occultists..so don't for one minute think that it's down to the poor girl being on drugs. Remember it's their word against the next person. I believe no justice will be made for her because elisa was just a mere pawn in a very sick sick game but I want to raise awareness about these sick people!

    Also anybody with kids who are thinking bout letting their kids go trick or treating this year, please be vigilant. Loads of kids go missing at Halloween. And end up as sacrifices to these sick bastards. Please keep your kids safe. Thankyou and God bless.

    • Sanat Toma' says:

      Definitely Sacrificial LAMb good one absolutely correct no doubt

    • hvns says:

      Marlene please go further..
      Even the thought that celebrating or buying halloween staff is somewhat normal gives me goosebumps. Greatest celebration of spirits. H sacrifices included. Sheesh…

    • nobodysfool says:

      The Eucharist is human sacrifice

  200. ADSA says:

    Aside from all the speculation; Are there any residents still living there? How could those residents/guest just accept that it was an accident, watch the surveillence footage and news article, still get on that same elevator everyday, still bath from water running through those same pipes, and go about as if nothing had happend. Just numb and unaffected. That is just F'ed up. I guess there is really no need for demons/illuminatti to persue/attack what is already theirs eating out of the palm of their hands. Ugh this is just so disturbing on so many levels.

  201. kkk says:

    If Elisa was bi polar she probably was under mind control… And her name… It's no coincidence that it's the same as test kits.. I think it was all planned since the day she was born.

  202. SamVuee says:

    Halfway through the article I thought, "MK ultra" but then after I finished reading it I felt like certain "entities" were taking over and took hold of these unfortunate victims.

    But at the same time, it helped refresh my memory about Crowley dubbed, "The most Sinful Man in the World" and his strong interest in magic and the supernatural.

    This article just takes the cake as the most spookiest one out of all the other articles in this site since it just hinted to me the possibility of dark entities and black magic occurring here, not to mention satanic rituals perhaps.

    • amaryllis says:

      Crowley was a second rate occultist – he just worked well as a poster-boy for the really damned luciferians

  203. ?!. says:

    She looks possessed. My guess is that it was Jinn

  204. Jack says:

    In another really bizarre co-incidence, all of the victims throughout the years breathed air and likely drank water. The last statement is only speculative as we have no proof they ever drank water.
    It has to be the air. It's the only thing the victims have in common.

    Really people? Demonic possession? Paranormal influence?? Time to return to the land of the rational where, even if it doesn't add up, that doesn't mean it's spectral.

    • hvns says:

      Jack,
      Have you already convinced yourself on the belief in nothingness?
      If not yet then I urge you not to try to make us believe such a scum as most folks listen it for 10-14 years straight through school and college. Indoctrination is but part of the plan

  205. Pao says:

    Can somebody please give a non-supernatural explanation? Everybody here says demonic possession or some other superstitious nonsense.

    • gwen says:

      She was murdered, perhaps being stalked. Hence her odd behavior. Commenters have said that the video has been edited to hide the identification of whoever may have been stalking her outside the elevator. There is a strong possibility that the hotel staff was involved or knew about it, because of the manner she was found (rooftop, tank, alarm, only employees could access and she had to be 'cut out' of the tank, and her clothes were missing). Hotel staff could have easily come to help her if they saw her struggling (through the surveillance) to get the elevator to work, but they didn't. Lastly, authorities called no foul play without doing a thorough investigation. They just called her crazy. Leading me to think that more than one person was involved/knew about it.

      • integral says:

        Very thorough explanation, if that is the case, then her parents were probably involved as they gave their permission to let her travel alone. The fact that they called-in the police is just an alliby, also regarding the fathers reply on her autopsy, he mentioned that her daughter, as he have known her, is not suffering from a mental problem. That could be a big error on their side if what you said is true.
        Either way, it is lacking in evidence, threfore not accepted… or a cover by higher ups.

      • amaryllis says:

        Permission to travel? But she was a grown adult, not 10 years old???

    • amaryllis says:

      Can somebody please give a non-supernatural explanation?
      Umm .. NYPD? If you are happy with the official story then what is the point of looking beyond it?

  206. Jan says:

    @1:07.. she dropped her arms and I think she no longer have control of herself.

    • ADSA says:

      You are right I commented on that same thing in an earlier comment. The way it just dangles was almost as if some she had been lifted up and her limbs were hanging down. UGHHH

  207. ADSA says:

    Lets just say she was mentally ill and or taking some kind of drugs or both and in fact did accidentally drown in the water tank. If that is true and that is what happend, then I can suspect a few things about this woman. 1) she was pretty familiar with the hotel, had been there long enough to know exactly how to get to the top and on to the roof. 2) she was used to city and urban life to even register, especially under the influence of drugs(if she was), that that was even a water tanks. I am from a rural community never having been to a large city didn't even know water tanks were on top of buildings. This sounds like something I might would try to do if I was drunk if someone dared me but otherwise I would never get the idea to something like that on my own. It just seems a little premeditated for whoever was responsible herself or someone else.

  208. MCHans84 says:

    I don't know about what the others might say but to my eyes, there's DEFINITELY something else moving in the elevator other than Elisa – and whatever it is, it doesn't look like it's up to any good at all. However, I remain steadfast in my faith that the Lord will protect me for He is greater than all evil spirits.

    My thoughts on this video are: More than likely she was at first, unsettled because she may have seen 'something' she wouldn't have normally seen. Seeking exit from the floor she was on, she pressed a few buttons – anywhere other than the floor she was on, just to get away.

    Then the moment the door would not close, she realised that whatever she may have seen or heard, was probably nearer than she thought, and began to panic. As her fear grew… so did the presence of the evil entity, and likely by 1:57 in the video, it had wrested at least some control of her body, if not all. Beyond there… the empty elevator continues to move, but I can still see faint movement in it. Whatever's in there – may the good Lord protect anyone else who braves that foul hotel.

  209. Jaz says:

    Her blog was called ether fields, interesting/disturbing read. She wrote a lot about her depression which would leave her bed/couch ridden for days on end, all based around a fear that her life meant nothing… Honestly, her committing suicide wouldn't surprise me based on her blog, at the same time I don't see how or why she would choose to take all her clothes off and drown in a water tank :S. The whole nakedness thing seems to be someone humiliating her, or rape… Would they actually be able to eliminate the possibility of rape after her body sat in water for 2 weeks? Just speculation and thoughts. The elevator video does not seem so crazy to me and I'm not believing it was a demon attack, but I definately think it could have been a murder..

    • sittingcoffin says:

      Her blog as opposed to her last instagram written entries (some seem to be posted after her death according to how im reading the timestamps, I am not familiar with instagram) seem to be written by two different people or one person that's consistently high/drunk while making entries.

    • Marlene says: