Vatican Calls for a Central World Bank

Now enough about Jesus. Listen to my economic policies!

Enough about Jesus. Now listen to my economic policies!

On October 24th, the Pope officially gave his support to Occupy Wall Street and, like Gorbachev, proposed a solution that goes EXACTLY at the opposite of the protester’s demands: an international organization regulating economy. In other words, a Central World Bank. In other other words, a New World Order.

Thank you Vatican for your input. Jesus was indeed a big advocate of international banking. He also preached about a world financial system that would only benefit the elite. Yup, that’s what he did alright (sorry for the extreme sarcasm).

Here’s an article about the Vatican pushing for the same international system as the Rockefellers and others.

Vatican Calls for Oversight of the World’s Finances

The Vatican called on Monday for an overhaul of the world’s financial systems, and again proposed establishment of a supranational authority to oversee the global economy, calling it necessary to bring more democratic and ethical principles to a marketplace run amok.

In a report issued by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, the Vatican argued that “politics — which is responsible for the common good” must be given primacy over the economy and finance, and that existing institutions like the International Monetary Fund had not been responding adequately to global economic problems.

The document grows out of the Roman Catholic Church’s concerns about economic instability and widening inequality of income and wealth around the world, issues that transcend the power of national governments to address on their own.

“The time has come to conceive of institutions with universal competence, now that vital goods shared by the entire human family are at stake, goods which the individual states cannot promote and protect by themselves,” Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson, the president of the pontifical council, said as he presented the report on Monday. “That is what pushed us.”

The language in the document, which the Vatican refers to as a note, is distinctively strong. “We should not be afraid to propose new ideas, even if they might destabilize pre-existing balances of power that prevail over the weakest,” the document states.

The message prompted comparisons with the rallying cries of protest movements that have been challenging the financial world order, like the indignados in Madrid and the Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York City. Still, Vatican officials said the document was not a manifesto for disaffected dissidents.

“The document proposes ideas that seem to be in line with those proposed by the indignados, but really we are in line with the Magisterium of the church,” said Bishop Mario Toso, secretary to the pontifical council, referring to the church’s teaching authority. “It is a coincidence that we share some views. But after all, these are proposals that are based on reasonableness.”

The document is a reminder that the Catholic Church, without getting involved in policymaking, still seeks to shape its principles. “To function correctly the economy needs ethics; and not just of any kind, but one that is people-centered,” the document states, paraphrasing an encyclical that Pope Benedict XVI issued in 2009 calling for greater social responsibility in the economy.

In the United States, the report was embraced by politically liberal Catholics who are concerned about the widening gap between rich and poor. Vincent J. Miller, a professor of Catholic theology and culture at the University of Dayton, wrote, “It’s clear the Vatican stands with the Occupy Wall Street protesters and others struggling to return ethics and good governance to a financial sector grown out of control after 30 years of deregulation.”

John Gehring of Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group in Washington, said, “In the next Republican presidential debate, someone should ask Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, both proudly Catholic, whether they support the Vatican’s call for more robust financial reform.”

Politically conservative Catholics, meanwhile, hastened to assure their camp that the document does not carry the full force of church teaching, since it was produced by a Vatican office, not by the pope himself. And some dismissed the report as nothing new, or simply misinformed.

Writing in the National Review, Samuel Gregg of the Acton Institute, which promotes free-market economic policies, said of the document: “It reflects rather conventional contemporary economic thinking. Unfortunately, given the uselessness of much present-day economics, that’s not likely to make it especially helpful.”

– New York Times, Vatican Calls for Oversight of the World’s Finances



  1. Somehow the comments are not being logged in chronological order. My reply to truth-will-set-u-free and Edward (#s 82 & 85) ended up under #67!

  2. Thanks again truth-will set-u-free and Edward!

    I perused through sections of Walter Veith's Total Onslaught. He is interesting but makes the mistake of quoting catholic authors as though they are re-presenting Catholic teaching. Like one guy he quoted who said it is the priest who forgives sins. Priests do not forgive sins -only God. The Catechism of the Catholic Church actually has a 2 paragraph section titled "Only God Forgives Sin". I have a priest friend who says God is in process (of becoming more than He presently is). This friend is totally wrong and heretical on that point. He is a catholic priest and often published author, but his ideas are not only not Catholic (on many issues), they aren't even Christian! What he says is NOT Catholic teaching no matter what he or anybody else says.

    Regarding his point that the Catholic Church is in bed with the New World Order nuts, I refer people to read St Augustine's City of God which basically states there are two competing world views: God's and Satan's. This makes sense sice we only have 2 eternal options in life: heaven or hell. The City of God is made up of believers like ourselves and our cohesion comes from Jesus who is the head of the body of the Church. We are members of this mystical body of Christ which is the Church. So the Catholic Church does speak in universal terms which aim at uniting in 1 body the believers in Jesus on earth. Look at us talking right now -we are united in belief that Jesus is our only saviour. We have differences on details but profess the same general beliefs. This truth is well noted in Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis (who was not Catholic). That being said, there is infiltration and corruption in areas of the Catholic Church and some of these people are on the side of the New World Order nuttiness. That is also true of Protestantism.

    How many of you have read the actual document Vigilant Citizen comments on in his article? You may be surprised to see it is an indictment of fiat money, and many (if not all) aspects of the globalist's elitism. Newspapers such as the NYT always misrepresent Vatican documents to their agendas. So, the document by the Peace and Justice Commission out of Rome is one that i have many agreements with (read it so as to at least be properly informed on this issue) but i sorely disagree in an oversight authority that would have a worldwide scope. I'm positive the pope did not read it before it was published (he seldom to never does because he is ridiculously busy) but does at times even publicly comment against ideas that have been put out by a commission that has put out documents whose conclusions he disagrees with. I have no obligation, as a catholic, to agree with conclusions of documents of this type.

    p.s. I mean no disrespect to Viigilat Citizen -your articles are awesome and they bring a perspective that is unique; they have helped me and my wife very very much!

  3. I have a question, isn't God love? Isn't he the one who forgives? Should'nt we all try to love each other? I as a Catholic, has to make a stand, many Catholics don't believe that the Pope is infallible, I myself don't believe he does not commit sin, we, mankind are sinful. Don't you know Pope Benedict was a Nazi youth? However, though he is leading Catholics, He is not the head of the church, God is. Only God is the head of the church, and all of us believe that. Here is something contradictory of what some people refer to the Catholic Church as the "W***e of Babylon", the bible you have today was first originated from the scriptures right? However the Catholic Church actually assembled all the scriptures into one thick book, the bible.

    Then why would the Catholic Church refer themselves as the w***e of Babylon? Religion is soomething for us not to lead to sinful ways, not to be led astray. Since we all believed in One God and Jesus Christ, our redeemer, then why are you saying that the Catholic Church is evil? Isn't it better if we unify ourselves and throw down the elite? Even if we are jewish, muslim, Hindu, Christia or Catholic? We should not wait till the end times as we have have to play our part instead of comparing which religion is holier or is a "wrong" religion.

    We have to play our role!! Spread the love!!! Spread God's News! Destroy the Corruption! We must not depend on the elite! WE MUST FUFILL OUR PART AND THAT IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL PART OF OUR LIVES. GOD give us the strength to help this world to be a better place!

  4. I respect the varying religious viewpoints, but i dont feel much can happen over the internet with regards to persuasion or understanding of religious identity, it is too shallow of a form of communication. I am engaged by others concerns, but the rift between varying religions can not be bridged with written responses over the internet. It seems to be mostly a dead end.

  5. But isn't the Vatican's whole point that we need to bust the super-corporate banking model that is destroying ordinary people's lives, and causing massive housing crises etc?

  6. If you really read this with your heart, the Pope is calling on us to go to God for solutions. God's power is supranatural whereas the the devil's is supernatural, the difference is bigger than the one letter. Pray for the Pope because he's the current rock, he needs loving prayers since free masons hate him more than you could imagine. Plus if the Church was said "Harlot", the Pope wouldn't have instituted The Alliance Of the Two Hearts Holy Family International. Check out Fr. Bing Arellano on to see just how against The New World Order the Church really is.

  7. As a Roman Catholic, and a fan of Pope Benedict, and a fan of this site, I must say that I am disappointed by the pontiff's stance on a world bank. For the non-Catholic readers I feel obligated to inform you that Catholics don't have to believe or agree on everything the pope says. We only have to believe the official teachings of the Church – Dogms – which are proclaimed "ex cathedra" or "from the Chair (of St. Peter)," and the last time this happened was in the 1950s.

  8. I worship God almighty creator of heaven and earth and I will never worship any man or thing! I am and will always be a catholic .The bible says God will write His laws in our hearts, everyman will know wrong from right. Jesus is the only way to God not any church or ideology.

    • Hey, i long for the day when people will purely identify themselves as 'CHRISTIANS' and not qualified by such terms as 'forever catholic' *no offence btw*. I believe our faith should be defined by the fact that we are 'forever followers of Christ' and not confined to loyalty to a denomination etc…and we should be Vigilant since the Bible says that even the devil masquerades as an angel of light.

      We should therefore open ourselves FULLY to God's direction and be seekers of truth and He shall truly direct our paths. We shall be wise as serpents and we will be able to test the spirits as the Bible instructs. let us partake of rituals knowing full well what they mean and Research widely with an open mind. God will surely not let us down as He gives us what we ask for.

      Be blessed and please READ his WORD. its full of wisdom and totally liberating.

      PEACE 🙂

      • First of all I am a child of God and I am washed in d blood of Jesus and directed by the Holy spirt, therefore am fully liberated and d only lable I carry says God's annointed one! So don't judge me if u do not know me. I live by d words of God and I know d only church in heaven is that which God sits on its throne and regin supreme! I am fully aware of d evils in world an do not support any of them.

  9. THIS IS PROPHETIC STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like, seriously!! The Roman Catholic Church= Revelation's W***e of Babylon

  10. I don't think that pope was talking about the NWO, he's just concerned about the poverty and social problems of people, and he wants that someone supervises the elite and those who only care about money and power.

    People often say that they believe in Jesus, and don't believe in Church, but guess what: Jesus established Church for a reason, and Holy Spirit guides it (and God knows what he's doing, even if that has no sense to us.)

    • The church doesn't equal a church building or people who go to church or even people that work at a church. The church is the body of true believers who have put their faith in Christ. That's why Christ is described as the head of the church…

  11. Regarding LVB's assertions under comments from #30: None of the things you mentioned popes to have said and done were said or done in official of infallible ways. The popes you mentioned were scoundrels indeed and they reigned in times when there was little to no distinction between church and state, when corruption was sometimes rampant.

    But when a pope "solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal church" he can't just be talking or writing -even if he is talking or writing to a wide audience when he says something. I have never heard of an infallible teaching that was simply (or merely) verbal. Secondly, an infallible statement needs to be made in an official document that has serious weight. Encyclicals and universal meetings of bishops which the pope has jurisdiction over CAN fall under 'infallibility' but DO NOT necessarily, or even commonly, do so. In relation to the vast amount of information and documents put out by popes and bishops in communion with them over the centuries (and the amount of this stuff is truly vast) there is only a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction that is claimed as infallible by the church.

    It seems to me that the teaching on infallibility is one of the most commonly misunderstood teachings of the catholic church. I don't know a single catholic theologian (who is sincere, of course) who believes that any of the instances you cited are instances of infallible statements according to the catholic church.

  12. I am a catholic and want to say some things regarding this document. It is not what the church calls an infallible document, in any way. So no catholic is obliged to believe its conclusions OR even agree with them. Secondly, from what I have read, many of the articles relating to the document focus on the central bank idea which i have yet to see in the actual document (i have not been able to find the text online -it is supposedly 18 pages long). I think, from sundry articles i've read on it, that it suggests an oversight authority that would help regulate monetary/economic matters. I have yet to see an actual quote from the document itself enumerating an actual bank, much less a central world bank. I don't think that representation in the MSM is accurate at all.

    There are over 1 billion catholics in the world with thousands and thousands of bishops. We, like any large group, have been infiltrated by our enemies and enemies of Jesus; some of these enemies are bishops who live in Rome! I know, for I am friends with some good bishops who try to diminish the trouble caused by bishops who don't really know Christ!

    Even if the document does call for this type of world oversight authority, which it appears to, it does not follow that the catholic church is just simply evil. I certainly find it silly (and imprudent and naive and, even, dangerous!) that the Peace and Justice Commission suggested this. If you go to EWTN.COM and look under 'news' you will find an article on the document that states how it mentions in the text that the "principle of subsidiarity' would have to be followed regarding these monetary/economic issues. The principle of subsidiarity (simply put) states that any actions that can be done on a smaller, more local level should be done on a smaller and more local level so as to give authority and oversight to the people who are most immediately affected by any given actions in a particular area. This is a fundamentally catholic social teaching idea. But anyone who reads this document not knowing basic catholic social teaching terminology would miss the import of a word as significant as 'subsidiarity'. Understandably so: 5-6 out of every 7 people in this world are not catholic.

    This all being said, i am trying to get a hold of the actual document so i can begin to understand better whatever it is the Peace and Justice Commission is trying to convey. But i already have a call i have put in to a monsignor at our local chancery office asking him what the hell he thinks of media reports on the document in question. As things stand, i disagree with what seems to be many of the general conclusions the document makes.

    I love, but don't necessarily like, everybody on this planet including our enemies and, especially, our enemies who have a globalist bent. I pray for all of them and hope they will come to know God as He really IS. I have met bad, fake people from buddhist, catholic, protestant etc. traditions, and while it is difficult to swallow the way these people act, i have never had a terribly difficult time distinguishing them from the tradition they claim to adhere to. It is important to do so in order avoid calling a tree bad when the truth is an essentially good tree has some rotton fruit! In my own soul and body, i try to see God's image while remembering i have stained that body and soul with sins that were all my own doing. I try to remember to ask forgiveness for any sins i committed earlier that day each night before going to bed.

    I hope this helps some of you distinguish between the church i love and some of the ridiculousness i see coming out of it at certain times.

    p.s. if anyone can find a link that has the full text of this document, i would appreciate getting it.

    • Well written Dave…..maybe try the vatican website….I did find it yesterday but can't

      remember the link…I'll look again later.

      I think as Christians we need to be aware of the spiritual battle going on here….evil and corruption has infiltrated almost all aspects of human living….

      From all churches, governments, business, media, education, sport, music and the arts etc etc

      We should not be suprised by this….

      I believe especially the Christian churches arguing amongst each other is a major tool used by our enemy to distract us from fulfilling the plans God has for us individually and collectively.

      Arm yourself for battle (spirtual battle that is) Ephesians 6

      And may the peace that only God can give fill your mind, heart and soul

  13. This is why the Catholic religion along with all religions is complete bullshit. They are nothing but crooks, child monsters and false prophets. You can worship GOD without having a religion.

  14. Sometimes it's hard for me to interpret the bible, but once I read "Earth's Final Hours", I felt like there was no doubt in my mind. The book of Daniel and Revelations tells us all we need to know…as someone else said, it's time to "watch the throne." My eye will be on the Pope in the coming days, months, and years. Here's the link to the chapter in the book that spelled it all out for me:

  15. Hasnt anyone ever wondered who "Babylon the Great" is??? The Harlot who sits on many waters (people and nations) who commits fornications with the kings of the earth (governments)

    Babylon the Great with her "spiritistic practices" (religion)… The great harlot is The world empire of FALSE RELIGION.

    We are living in the last days my friends…

  16. There are so many things wrong with the Roman Catholic "religion", and so many un-biblical teachings that I wouldn't know where to start. However, I am sure there are plenty of Catholics out there that actually believe the truth – Jesus blood saves, invite him into your heart to live, believing by faith he died for sin and arose on the 3rd day, and that he is the true son of GOD. Believing that Jesus alone saves and no work of yourself, so that no man may boast.

  17. @VCfan3

    Laughter is the best medicine. Show no fear. Whatever will be, will be. When things turn nasty, I for one will carry on laughing at the pathetic attempts to defeat humanity. Love and peace is far more powerful than fear and hatred. I will go out laughing, rather than in fear of death. I have seen evil, being beaten so badly that my attackers left me for dead. I learned that fear is what these people feed and thrive off, like vampires. They want you to be fearful of what's around the corner, the fear of the unknown. So in that case, do the opposite!

    "Laughter in the face of adversity"

  18. Remember, Satan has only one directive… To destroy God's Church and to get as much souls to hate her as possible. He will have his agents, both seen and unseen, do everything they can both from the outside of the Church and from within, to destroy HER because he hates HIM.

  19. The inner dinamic of the Church is something you can't see or understand from the outside…I won't go into what I mean by that because it would take too long, but it's true…I am really sick and tired of Catholics being described as some stupid people who are simply listening to what the Vatican is saying…that is such a lie.

    There are a lot of young Catholics who know exactly what they believe in and why. And we all talk about this as well. I have shown this site to a lot of my friends. We are not ignorant fools. We understand the Church more than anyone on the outside can. Because we know the devil exists but we keep our eyes on God we are able to see the good and the bad in the Church. We don't deny that there is bad in it. The Church is both human and godly, both sinful and holy. And belive me…no one is more motivated to define the bad in the Church then us. But that doesn't mean the Church itself is bad…most of you don't think about the political, historical and social context of it all and that is sad

    • Jesus didn't get involve in politics…. so this political context you mentionned draws a red on you and your comment.

      Follow this:I am no part of the world from JOHN 17:14 I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.

      15 “I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. 17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth._NWT

      • Yeah, Jesus didin't get himself involved in politics but we humans do it all the time…that is what I mean by that and it actually goes perfectly with the other things I said (Chruch being human and godly) 🙂

    • We cannot understand your church from the outside?? Are you serious?? Do you think we are blind that we cannot see? Do you think we cannot read those Catholic made literature in the libraries which contain many blasphemies against the Most High God? We already know the rituals you guys do in there, you pray to statues and idols. God forbids it in the second commandment which your church removed in their version of the bible.

      If you see the despicable things happening in your church and you decide to sit there and not go to a church that follows the Bible and the Bible only then the Lord says in scripture that he will send strong delusion for you to continue believing lies. You will then accept willingly, the mark of the Beast. "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2Thess 2:9-12

      I pray you find a peace of mind and truth

      • How on earth, can anything be Human AND Godly??? The arrogance of ANYONE who claims to be Godly! Placing any human on a pedestal, above all others and claiming to be Godly, is the same as putting that person on God's throne. Condoning war and sexual abuse of children is far from Godly. Collecting masses of gold and wealth (a lot of which the Nazi's stole during WWII) is far from Godly.

        “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

  20. I am not surprised. I expected exactly the same from Vatican, who have named a telescope "LUCIFER" together with the… Jesuits ().

  21. Personally i Support Any Occupy Event Not Only Because i dont like capitalism… but also because these protests have not much to do with one opinion its a mix of opinions that has been suppressed true there are attempts to hijack it but nevertheless lets not forget those many of those are left wing anarchist in the streets which personally i show symthpathy with and support because perhaps they are the only movement which cannot be controlled ( and by controlled i mean politically …not support the vandalism of course:) )

    • Does the fact that figureheads of the elite giving the protests their backing and promoting them not make you think there's something very (very) fishy going on?

      It's the classic Hegelian dialectic. The elite create a big mess – The elite promote the Occupy movement – The elite provide the solution of the New World Order.

      • @Freetoday

        I am not saying the protesters are in support of the NWO. I am sure most, or all, are doing it for all the right reasons. What I find VERY suspect and sinister, is that the very people – the elite – are all giving the protests their backing. They are using the Occupy movement, duping them, into accepting the NWO as the solution to the problems, that the same elite have created.

  22. politics and economics vs. church..

    I thought they learned something about not being in politics anymore..

    it was one of the biggest steps of human kind..

    now we're even making a bigger step with OUR revolution.

    Im writing a paper at the moment about how consensus would be possible in really big groups, nations, countries of even world wide would be possible..

    so everyone can have a voice, and everyone can have a vote. and be active in the discussion.

    smart, dumm, rich, poor.. everyone a voice that is heard.

  23. To be fair and square, I want to point out that the Pope never asked himself for any of this nonsense about a world government, neither he spoke "ex-cathedra" or said it was an order or anything, in fact he didnt say a word about this. It is a document from a Vatican agency, and there are masons infiltrated everywhere, thats for sure, please keep an open mind, and read this article, it might give you another perspective on the issue, dont be too harsh to run and point a finger at the catholic church, In fact there are many prominent catholic priests who have warned a lot about the dangers of a new world order, among them father Michel Schooyans, and Father Juan Claudio Sanahuja.thanks a lot. Below, the site:

  24. If you watch on youtube: the devil in the vatican

    You will know that the vatican accepted secret societies into their ranks…theyve been major players in all the wars. even abrham lincoln and thomas jefferson stated that the jesuits, vatican etc are sinister and are what caused these wars. Hitler was influenced by jesuits to slaughter millions of jews same with stalin. just watch the vid on youtube and research on google about the vatican and the w***e of babylon and the black pope. Youll understand everything and how it correlates with the bible. Truth will spread!

    • I was reading up on the black pope, i`ve seen more than a few evil looking preists in churches around the world, you can tell the difference between someone who is unhappy at work and someone who hates Jesus Christ, we are not to judge, were not supposed to bow down before imposters either! Anyway the gesu church, home to the jesuits, is round the corner from the vittorio emanuele II monument, bares quite a resemblence to the throne of satan from pergamum, which is supposed to be in berlin, i wonder if the real ones in rome?

      • John, watch the film that Flanny mentions – "Devil in the Vatican" on youtube. (might be "NWO – Devil in the Vatican")

        It makes sense of what the Vatican is about and who really has the "power"… Revealing stuff!

  25. Im incredibly happy that so many ppl know about the vatican/roman catholicism/pope, and who they "really" are. I thot only SDA knew about this…but clearly the truth is getting to the public.

  26. I visited the vatican museum recently, it's opulence is sickening. I wish I hadn't pay the entry fee.

    It is no wonder God has promised to destroy this 'Babylon the Great'.

    Babylon the Great is depicted in the bible as a wealthy w***e riding upon a beast. A fitting picture of how the church rides the back of beastly governments trying to influence their decisions.

    God will soon cause these beastly governments to turn on the w***e of Babylon, she will be thrown down and devoured completely by the beast. They will strip her of her wealth and glory.

    Just as God himself used the ancient Medo-Persian empire to destroy ancient Babylon, he will use modern day governments to destroy this false religion. It's all Revelation 17:16-18

    "And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”


  27. I went to mass on good friday, in the vatican, they never closed the doors to the public, on the most important day of the year there was tourists walking around taking photos while the vicar of Christ celebrated mass! Money more important than mass, gime an excuse for that one? seminarians in ireland are being told not to kneel in front of the blessed sacrament, i`ve seen many catholic churches that look more like masonic temples, could all that child abuse have been something to do with satanism, instead of just dirty depraved old men? The john lateran church in rome is the seat of peter, most important church in catholic faith, dedication date :9/11 If you can`t beat them join them, could it be the romans swapped their swords and spears for bibles and crucifixes, they used to tax us now we just give it to them, i have also noticed in a few newly decorated churches the cross is being moved away from the center to the side of the alter, christ seems to be being removed, to make way for? one chuch has a huge sun rising above the tabernacle where the cross used to be, i have always got a lot from going to church , and think god rewards us for being faithful even if we are being deceived, the book of revelation says come out of her my people.W***e of babylon might be right.

    • Don't overlook the inverted cross on the Pope's travel "throne"… or the use of the Satanic "Bent" cross, which mocks Jesus on the cross.

  28. kinda late with this VC, this was announced a few years ago. these bastards used the media as there "cloak and dagger" during Micheal Jacksons funeral; so of course it wasnt noticed because of all the coverage. better late than never though!

  29. I don't think the Catholic church teaches about the rapture. I am no expert though. Although I was raised Catholic I have long ago broken away from that church. I see no need for them to teach it though. Why teach a theory invented in the 17th and 18th centuries based off of one verse by Paul (the man who never met Jesus)? I wish that Christian churches would stay away from anything close to Darby's dispensationalism. That kind of end times mumbo jumbo discourages activism (Why bother taking a stand against evil if Jesus is just around the corner to fix it all?) and takes a hacksaw to the Bible and scrambles the pieces to justify itself.

    • there is a difference between taking a stand, and working against God's will.

      however, you probably have to actually BELIEVE the Bible, believe in God's will,

      believe in God's Master Plan, and believe that God is in contol to understand this.

  30. Who would ever guess that the wealthiest tax-free corporation on earth (the Vatican) would be totally in favor of the UN (one world govt), a one world financial system and "ecumenical unity" – all the world religions coming together as one?? (Extreme sarcasm included, VC.)

    I try very hard not to offend my Catholic friends, who are very good people, but I really do wonder when their eyes will be opened to this blatant insanity.

    I mean, seriously, the "Papal infallibility doctrine" is still in effect as far as "the Church" is concerned – meaning that once a mere MAN is declared Pope (by other mere men, of course), then he can do no wrong or sin at all.

    REALLY??? I don't think most people (as individuals) raised in the Catholic faith actually believe this in their hearts, but it IS the official doctrine of the Vatican.

    And it is extremely dangerous…it is literally paving the way for the AC and his NWO to come.

    • Catholics do not believe that the pope can not sin or do wrong. They believe that the pope can not make an error when making decisions that affect the whole church regarding faith and/or morals. His personal life and choices are not included in infallibility, nor do catholics claim that it does. Any catholics who say the pope can not sin because of infallibility do not know the official church teaching on infallibility.

      • You are correct about this, which I really do appreciate. But actually, we are both correct, and you're probably not going to like the things that I am correct about.

        "Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error[1] when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith as being contained in

        divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This doctrine

        was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1870."

        However, prior to recent times, there were more than a few Popes who (being "infallible" at the time) made official declarations like:

        Pope Boniface VIII (1294 – 1303) – Catholic historians admit an example of his "offensive phraseology" included his statement that, "to enjoy oneself and to lie carnally with women or boys is no more a sin than rubbing one's hands together."

        And yet, THIS Pope is the very same one that in 1302 issued the well-known "Unam Sanctum", which officially declared that the Roman Catholic Church is "the only true church", outside of which no one can be saved, and says, "We, therefore, assert, define and pronounce that it is necessary to salvation to believe that every human being is subject to the pontiff of Rome."

        These are most certainly OFFICIAL declarations "affecting the whole church, regarding faith and/or morals" as you put it, correct?

        So, how much more do you really want or need to know?

        Bishop Liberius signed the Arian Sirmium Creed which denied the Deity of Christ. Pope Honorius contradicted so many Popes that he was accursed by Councils and Popes for centuries. According to the Catholic Bishop Luitprand of Cremona who lived at the time of Pope John XII 955 A.D., "No honest lady dared to show herself in public, for Pope John … (would) defile (them)…" Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503) lived in public incest with his two sisters and his own daughter, Lucretia, from whom, it is said, he had a child. In 1501, he conducted a sex orgy in the Vatican.

        In the ninth century, Pope Stephen VI brought former Pope Formosus to trial by digging up his corpse from the grave and placing the body upon a throne. Pope Formosus was judged guilty of heresy, his bright robes were ripped from his rotting flesh, his fingers were hacked off, and his body was dragged through the streets of Rome and thrown into the Tiber River.

        The second successor of Pope Stephen had the body of Formosus, which a monk had drawn from the Tiber River, reinterred with full honors. Formosus' official orders were then declared valid. Then a future Pope, Sergius III turned around and declared that Pope Stephen was correct and Pope Formosus was wrong.

        Pope Eugene IV condemned Joan of Arc to be burned alive as a witch. Then a future Pope turned around and declared her to be a saint. Pope Sixtus V had a version of the Bible prepared which he declared to be accurate. Just two years later, Pope Clement VIII declared that this version was full of errors. The Popes of Rome condemned the astronomer Galileo for his correct view of the Solar System and Universe.

        More recently, it is well established historically that various Popes and high-ranking clergy have committed and participated in horrendous crimes against humanity – supporting Nazi Croatian atrocities (primarily by Jesuit clergy) in Jasenovac – think Auschwitz and worse – as only one very horrific example of mass torture and murder, etc.

        It goes on and on, my friend. And the point of all this is not to harm or offend you or anyone else, but to help shine the light of truth in order to break it all down to one very simple message:

        Put your faith in God, the One and Only Creator – not in men. We are all seriously flawed, whether we are rich or poor, whether we are homeless and powerless or elected to a mighty and powerful position, like the President of the United States – or The Pope of Rome. We're all human, and all fall incredibly short of the Glory of God.

        I have this terrible awareness that one day, especially my dear friends who are Catholic by faith, will realize this deception, and thus because of having put their faith more in these humans in positions of great trust and power and the rituals of "the Church" rather than in God Himself, they will naturally feel betrayed and disillusioned and lose their faith altogether. Who could really blame them??

        This is the extreme danger I spoke of earlier, and I think reasonable people can easily see how that would happen when you study the history of the many insane practices and contradictions of various Popes – who in their time were each thought by the faithful to be "infallible", and probably destroyed the faith of many by their actions and the huge differences between what so many different Popes thought and said the "real truth of God" is.

        Does anyone really think that things were SO different back in those days, and that those kinds of atrocities cannot happen again – especially when these mere humans in powerful positions are promoting them and telling people that "this is what God wants us to do"??

        If so, I have some very bad news for you. But the good news is, God will reveal the entire truth to each of us, in our own time.

    • I find it fascinating to see how many "Christians" and the like make great mockery and condemnation of the Catholic Church often without seeking out true and correct information.

      I have opposition to exposing falsehoods…..only please people check your facts and re check them from several sources (especially if it is in relation to the specific teaching of a church or religion).

      Many people take "as gospel" from their own pastors or friends or internet websites information which is not based on truth!!!

      This website is supposed to be for people who are "thinkers" and who seek truth…for people who are attempting to not be swayed by popular culture, media or corrupt agendas.

      Yet all too often I see on this site people who then blindly accept and follow any document produced on these pages or theories put forward.

      Come on people….

      If you do your research LVB you will in fact discover that the Catholic church does not believe that the pope is infallible 24 hours a day or is incapable of sinning!

      This is an untruth spread commonly within many other Christian church teachings!! And ironically people who hear their pastor proclaim such teaching – believe he or she is infallible making such proclamtions!!! LOL

      Check this out –

      • Advocates of Untruth

        10 Did the clergy of Darwin’s time fight back against his God-dishonoring theory? Surprisingly, a Cambridge University professor writes: “At first much of the opposition to Darwin’s theory came from scientists on the grounds of evidence, not from the theologians on grounds of scripture.” Another learned doctor adds: “With but few exceptions the leading Christian thinkers in Great Britain and America came to terms quite readily with Darwinism and evolution.” In 1882, Darwin was even buried among kings in Westminster Abbey, by special arrangement with the Anglican dean of that abbey!—Compare Acts 20:30; 2 Timothy 4:3.

        11 Darwin’s atheistic theory is now accepted as ‘gospel truth’ by many of the clergy of Christendom. The Archbishop of York, second-ranking prelate in the Church of England, considers the theory of biological evolution to be so well established that it is “the only conceivable basis for modern biology.” Recently, at a Vatican meeting, 12 scholars representing the highest scientific body of the Catholic Church stated: “We are convinced that masses of evidence render the application of the concept of evolution to man and other primates beyond serious dispute.” And to this the New Catholic Encyclopedia adds: “General evolution, even of the body of man, seems the most probable scientific account of origins.” But is it truly scientific? Is evolution supported by reliable scientific proof? Your very life depends on determining the truth of this matter.—John 14:6; 16:13; 17:17.

        12 In recent times, some fundamentalist religions have put forward creationism as the answer to evolution. But in doing so, they make a claim that is both unscriptural and unbelievable. It is that the heavens, the earth, and everything on the earth were created by God in 6 days of 24 hours each—yes, in just 144 literal hours! This teaching has caused many to ridicule the Bible. But is a “day” in the Bible always 24 hours in length? Genesis 2:4 speaks of “the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.” This one day includes all six of the creative ‘days’ of Genesis chapter 1. According to Bible usage, a “day” is simply a measured period of time. A “day” with Jehovah can be a thousand years or several thousand years—as were the creative ‘days.’ On this point, therefore, the Bible account is reasonable and compatible with true science.—2 Peter 3:8.

        “Your word is truth.”—JOHN 17:17. _NWT

      • Actually, I did acknowledge above that the no name guy who commented is correct (as you are) in saying that you and other Catholics don't believe that the Pope is infallible 24/7, which is comforting – and I'm happy to stand corrected on that.

        However, as he also went on to say, correctly, the Catholic Church DOES believe that when making official declarations involving the whole church and involving faith and/or morality, the official doctrine IS that the Pope "is preserved from even the possibility of error[1] when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith".

        I then went on (see above) to provide a list of many historical events wherein various Popes when making such official declarations were not only absolutely wrong, but quite EVIL in their thoughts and official actions, not to mention each contradicting the next in their thoughts and actions as Popes.

        So, it is obvious that they cannot be "preserved from even the possibility of error" when so many Popes contradict one another and have advocated, supported and participated in the extreme violence and sinful acts (such as Pope Boniface VIII (1294 – 1303) – “to enjoy oneself and to lie carnally with women or boys is no more a sin than rubbing one’s hands together.”) throughout the history of the Catholic Church and its very human leaders.

        It doesn't make them any worse than the corrupt leaders of any other human organization throughout history, perhaps, which is really the point – they were and are simply corruptible human beings – the major difference being that they proclaimed themselves to be doing the Will of God as Popes while committing their atrocities, which is a whole different level of sin.

        You can do whatever you choose to with this information. I do not criticize individual people of of Catholic faith, because so many do so much good in this world. But I just cannot avoid wondering how anyone with any form of Christian faith or conscience could accept this infallibility doctrine in any way, when confronted with the facts of what so many of these mere human leaders have done while holding the office of Pope.

        If one has faith in Christ, why would you possibly think you need or want the intercession of a massively wealthy and powerful organization of humans that are as corrupt and sinful as any of the rest of us who are born into this flesh on earth?

        As we know, wealth and power corrupts the souls of men – the greater the wealth and power, the more absolute the corruption. There is great wisdom in being extremely cautious of any human organization with that much wealth and power – regardless of what it claims to be.

        I do know and accept, however, that many will be deceived by Rome and will have to realize these things for themselves in their own lives, not just by reading or hearing about them from someone as insignificant as I. But I also know that God works in mysterious ways, and we cannot yet begin to understand such things.

        As it should be.

      • i am a Christian. i believe, and my pastor says the same thing, that a person can know Jesus regardless of their "religion".

        why must we put God in a box???

        Jesus knows His sheep, they hear His voice, and follow Him. there are Mormons who love Jesus, Catholics who love Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses who love Jesus.

        we have to stop looking at what divides us, and look for who brings us together.

        <3 God is LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. <3

        why must people care about "proving" that someone else is "wrong"? that really isn't our job, after all.

        be a witness for Jesus, and He will do the rest.

        Praise the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords!!!

  31. The Vatican´s document is – as usual – more sophisticated and differentiated than it is reported in the media where an eye-catching headline is the most important thing. First of all, Prof. Becchetti is not "the Vatican", he is extraordinary Professor at Tor Vergata University. Secondly, global governance is but one of the issues that the paper addresses. Thirdly, the Vatican has been referring to the "New World Order" as a political fact and not as a political goal for a couple of decades already. The ideological basis of this reference is not the NWO as a concept for which everybody has his own interpretation but two millenia of "global operations" by the Vatican as a political actor. If you look at past comments of pontiffs you will find a whole array of issues that contradict usual NWO themes: Leo XIII. prasing non-intervention and national sovereignty; John Paul II. defending patriotism as opposed to nationalism; Benedict XVI. supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement and related initiatives of critics of globalism and (bankers´) capitalism.

    Clearly, the Vatican can and will not call for a revolution against the existing political and economic framework in which we operate. The document that was released on Monday, however, calls for a set of principles, predominantly based on Leo XIII´s epochal encyclical Rerum Novarum, "Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour" which is a manifest of common sense and measure. Not every reference to the word "global" is as Kissinger-infested as it might look at first sight…

  32. This pope is one of the scariest I've ever since. I swear he belongs in a Halloween movie or a Nightmare on Elm Street remake. I've never trusted Catholics and their church is even scary. I mean, have you seen Hellboy? That's someone's idea who was Catholic or used to be. Those people are just plain scary & are trying to lead all of us down the "garden path". They're sneaky & they know it.

    • Now what DO YOU DO? Sit down there, doing nothing and waiting to go down with them.

      21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness._NWT.

      Get yourself busy with this
      Best wishes with JOHN 17:3 NWT

  33. I'm not shocked at this. The bible pegs the Vatican as the Beast of revelation. America is the second beast that will make the whole world worship the first beast (vatican). These are the end times my people. Don't want to be lost? Search for Jesus Christ for only He can save you through these perilous times.

    • I am a Catholic, I go to Mass everyday. The Catholic Church is not the w***e of Babylon, someone is missing some very important books and guidance from the Holy Spirit. We do not worship idols, we do not worship saints or the Mother of God. We ask for their intercession to God and we are well aware there is but one mediator to God the Father that's why all things go straight through the hands of the Saints to Jesus on our behalf. Matthew 24 tells us even the elite will be decieved, the protesters want communism, so does Gorbechev and the Vatican, they have all been decieved. Prayer is so important, please pray, stop hating one another and ask God to help us in our tribulations we are about to embark on. Pray the Rosary (it is a prayer of the Gospels, where you contemplate the life of Jesus through the eyes of His mother, the only person who was with Him from the very beginning of His life on Earth to His death). Pray to God for help. Pray to the Saints to be your friend and ask the Most High to give you the graces you need to live through the coming trials we all are about to face. Asking those whom God has created and has called home to Heaven for help is just fine, you know why? Cause in beseeching them for intercession you are also glorifying the One who created them. Pray for the Pope! Pax Christi!

      • Dear fellow,

        You are lost ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE and here is why?

        Have you ever seen a person with a map in his hands, who is lost and need real directions to find his way?

        What would you do before that scene?

        KINDLY SHOW HIM THE WAY, right!

        In the same way my desire is to show the way with this link:….
        Blessing from THE MOST HIGH PSALM 83:18

    • Yes The Bible said that indeed

      Rev 12:12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”

      (Not for what you thought but for this)

      Rev12:17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus._NWT

  34. Too bad they didn't ask them about the Mafia banks, the p*******e scandals and support of other deviant causes. The biggest corporation on the Earth is run by the Vatican and I was born Catholic– still am minus the Vatican worship which I never had. I expect more such statements from a Vatican under a pope who was a former Nazi("yeah, he was a small boy, but most Mafia hitmen started capping guys as small boys"). We will sooner have World War 3 than one religion.

  35. One world govt, one world money system, one world religion.

    Where have I heard this all before?

    The only thing missing is the AC to rise from the seven hills of Rome to seize power.

  36. "Enough about Jesus. Now listen to my economic policies!" EPIC xD

    Can anyone shut this this old man's mouth?

    Seriously. It's annoying!

  37. Dear VC,

    Your sarcasm is Perfect!

    It´s very good to have a place|site that we can feel understood.


    • Silver is also good as the higher ups have most of the gold. Learn to live off of the land and network with like minded people.

      Teach the kids to think critically and figure out who is the winner in this SPIRITUAL BATTLE that we are watching unfold. And get on the winners side.

      IMHO 'aliens' are not our ancestors and the earth is not billions and kazillions of years old(as seen on PBS and edu-programming on cable)

      The enemy knows he lost and is depending on us to believe his lies.

      singing and dancing to-lies lies lies yea

  38. That's the bind, alright. The elite can benefit from a very free market, especially at the global level where they have have labor done in one place for next to nothing and purchases and consumers located in wealthier places and they can also benefit from a, or something like, a world government, which arguably might be necessary now to regulate global market policy. I think the protesters are probably more concerned with getting their countries to change their laws though. And the pope of course is still a major leader with millions of followers across the world.

    I definitely don't want to see the creepy, Orwellian police state that it looks like they might be wanting to put in place, but I guess in some ways some things could be good. No, I'm not illuminati! I just like things like the Declaration of human rights and international courts where warlords can be tried like any other guy. But then of course there's the concern for events being 'created' to make these things seem more necessary I guess.

  39. Wow! VC and the others who left comments are worth soo much to me. Everybody is on the same page here. Now trying to explain this to mom is the hard part. She doesn't believe this is really happening the we see it. I told her ok just wait until u go to the store and they say "we don't accept cash". This is like a bad dream. This too, I bet when the troops come home, they are going to have to go right back, unless there is a secret plan for them being back home. It just doesn't sound right.

    • It's even harder for me to tell it to my family. They don't believe anything unless they heard it on TV, which is stupid considering that television is one of the biggest liars ever. I hate media — they cover up too much. This is a notch closer to a New World Order…and clearly, this is the beginning. You know what's next.

      P.S. I saw an advertisement, 'Happy End of the World' from the new Axe 2012: Final Edition deospray. It's like they know it's gonna happen. #weirdsighting

      • I was being ironic. The NWO is inevitable. The Bible prophesied the NWO. To think otherwise, would be very dangerous. The question isn't "how can we stop the NWO?" – it is "How will YOU deal with the NWO when the proverbial s**t hits the fan?"

      • thanks blanco for the explanation, but I don't even like to hear joke about this issue 'cos this very serious. Yes it's inevitable, we will have to deal with it, but only under God's instructions even if we have to die fighting agaisnt it, and for this we have to be very brave my friend.

      • Yeh, sometimes we say things and then ask the others to enlighten us.

        All I can say is that, before I see your explanation about being ironic, I got a little surprise when I saw your comment saying "2012 NWO here we come!", that's why I asked "here we come who?", condition 1 God's fury

        or condition 2 NWO satanic government? That's just what I wanted to know.

        When I said "you missed the whole point" I was commenting about if you were opting the condition 2, which was what your comment was more understandable.

        Any way you were being ironic, ok…


  40. Liked a lot the review. I am learning a lot and this is just the patch the the NWO will take….Great work.

  41. Rather than taking to the streets in the centre of big cities to protest against government and banks (and end up being beaten up by riot police and have their message inevitably subverted by the media and twisted by their rulers) they should instead be taking to the streets of every neighbourhood and town and village with leaflets and DVDs and food and music and a 'cheerful but focused vibe' to help raise the awareness of others.

    If enough people were well informed enough then it would be the government, the banksters and the parasitic 'elite' who would be out on the streets begging for our help.

    It is all mind control, they rule us by our minds (our hearts, our beliefs, our attitudes and our subsequent behaviour).

    But mind control works both ways. If people could only regain control of their minds then their new minds would control the direction of society.

    No amount of police or CCTV o laws or tanks on the street can stand up to A BIG IDEA WHO'S TIME HAS COME. If enough people change their minds and step out of the paradigms we have all been mind controlled and embrace then change will be inevitable.

    Do we need a small cabal of criminals to control society through the legalised monopoly to initiate violence on the rest of us in the 21st century? Do we need centralised power to control every aspect of our lives in the age of the internet? Does it serve us well to be handing over half our earnings to a small criminal cabal on the threat of violence so that they can hand it to their bankster friends and spend the rest on weapons to blow the arms and legs off children in Iraq? What are we doing allowing this!!!!????? What are we doing??!!!

    And is petitioning these criminals to help us really the way to get out of this situation? Isn't help, solutions, compassion, reason and fairness the very things we know they will never provide?!!! And why should they?? It's not their job to help us. And if they offer help after centuries of war and violence and theft and abuse and deception we should refuse it!!!!!

    It's our job to help ourselves. To grow up. Switch off the TV and become response- able and not dependent of our government 'parents'. Our government parents are dysfunctional, abusive and insane.

    We must grow up and leave home. Government is holding humanity back. Their age died long ago and they know it. That is why they are throwing everything at us (terrorism, crime, crashing economy, fear, war) to make us feel that we still need them to protect us. They know we hate them but they still want us to feel we can;t manage without them – so they must create chaos in the world. This is also why they are dumbing us down so that we never grow up and become able to leave home and be response- able. It is also why they divide us so that we never learn to get along, and don't believe a free society is possible. Of course it's possible! 🙂

    Come on people!

    Vacate these predictable paradigms of control and occupy a completely new timeline! A new mind! Mind control works both ways. If you can control your mind and your thoughts and your imagination then YOU have the control. No one ever talks about that kind of mind control.

    Any step towards increased freedom and selfhood can never be reversed. If you don't believe me try and persuade people to get African slavery re-introduced. Ain't gonna happen! 🙂

    Imagine if people started to 'get' that governments were simply …… immoral ….. and as such governments had to go, end of story, no excuses, no justifications, no arguments (just like African slavery it has to go).

    "Oh but we must have a government because who would look after the poor or build the roads?"

    "Doesn't matter, we'll find a way. It will be fun 🙂 (Better than living in a world of perpetual wars and taxation on future generations to fund those wars). And who says we can't look after the poor and eradicate poverty by creating a prosperous economy (a real one) without government interference? I'll tell you who says it can't be done: the government says it can't be done. But what do YOU think?"

    "We can't end African slavery. Where would the slaves live? How would they find work? How would they fit into society as free people? It would be chaos! Can't be done."

    Do you see how this is the same argument? And here is the same answer.

    "Doesn't matter. Slavery is immoral and has to be ended. We'll find a way. All that matters is that we do what is right! The rest will work itself out"

    And we did end slavery. And in the same way we can end government's violent rule and organise ourselves peacefully and voluntarily. Once enough people realise that governments are simply immoral and must go (just like slavery) then change is inevitable. Government IS another form of slavery. A government is not a voluntary contract, it is a monopoly of violence masquerading as a voluntary contract.

    This is why we are mind controlled 24/7 with never ending distractions. It is to stop us using the power of our minds to figure out what the root causes of societies ills are and then imagining a way out of them. Having a single group within society able to use violence to get what it wants is the problem. Every problem stems from this imbalance of power. In a voluntary society you can have voluntary contracts, property rights, an economy, free trade, organisation, insurance…. non of these things require a violent government. In fact a violent government prevents us from having free trade, or property rights (such as ownership of ALL of your earnings!), or a real economy….

    It's time we all stopped whining at our 'parents' to look after us. We need to grow up. The fact that society is structured to keep us as children (just look at the TV schedule) proves how much they need to keep us as children and keep us at home in order to stay in power (and have us as their slaves).

    Occupy YOUR OWN mind

    Occupy your own heart.

    Occupy your chosen timeline.

    And know what it is you stand for.

    That is all that is required.


    • King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

      And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    • Time to grow up; i salute you. I'm in awe of what you typed with goose bumps all over me. This has to be the best write up i've read in a long time about government control. Thank you!

      • Now I've got goose bumps hearing that my comment gave you goose bumps. Isn't this whole awakening thing amazing?!

        Anyway I must give credit to Stefan Molyneux for opening my mind to what government really is and how to *articulate* what government really is.

        Check him out on youtube (user/stefbot). He's got a website as well. On matters of government, freedom, society, social behaviour he's the man.

    • Just amazing!!! I feel the need to share this 🙂 I'm going to put it in a FB note and say it was written by Time to grow up!

  42. And they sais 2012 wouldnt be the year the upheveals and woes begin.

    Dont be duped into submission of the NWO once the "alien" invasion happens. For many will be deceived and will surrender all just for "peace" of mind.

    Dont be frightened and frantic once the dollar dies sending the economy into absolute shambles. You can see it coming now so you should have no excuse.


    And i pray once the False Anoited(antichrist) appears performing trickery and wonders formed from a lie you wont marvel as the millions will into the wine of her fornication(w***e of babylon).

    I pray you can stand once the Son of Man Yahuwshua the Son of Yahweh(YHWH) Returns and be blameless before Him. I LOVE YOU ALL

    • I'd recommend reading into this site:… or rather reading "the great controversy" by E.G white. By far, it gives the most accurate interpretation of the book of revelations. The mark of the beast is not the RFID chip, the RFID chip might be used to enforce the mark, but it is not the mark. God has a "seal" for his followers, and so to does satan – the beast – have a "mark" for his followers. God's seal is the Sabbath Exodus 31:13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.", the seal of God is on the forehead and is made through free choice . Satan's mark…well is sunday. Lucifer(now satan) is always associated to "sun" worship. Revelations 13:16-17 "16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.", satan's mark in contrast to God will be forced, while some will willingly abide to it. In a nutshell, it's a battle over worship, over righteousness or lawlessness. those who keep all of God's commandments will not compromise with the beast. In the very very VERY near future, as many believe and so do i, the devil will come impersonating Christ in the flesh ( he is the Antichrist himself, not some baby who's gonna be born, i can't stress that enough) along with his millions of demons masquerading as angels – deceiving millions to the billions of souls in the church and the world alike.

      Revelation 18:4 "Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues".

      Mark 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong–let the reader understand–then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." or in other words, when you see satan impersonating Jesus and standing inside the church, run up out of there.

      • Yeah, if you notice the events of the past, of our history, the Vatican hits every point of the revelations in the bible. type in youtube: The Devil in the Vatican. there is like 23 parts, incredibly mind blowing and sinister. Everything is linked to the bible. NWO, all this s**t happening is all leading to what the bible says.

    • The RFID IS not The Mark of the Beast! the Mark is literal and will be like a tattoo

      Read Revelation 20:4

      "received his mark "upon" their foreheads, or "in" their hands….a Tattoo goes IN the skin.The RFID goes under the skin and cannot be seen.The Mark will be taken in allegience to the Anti-christ and it Will be seen! Your RFID is nothing more that an Elite slave tag for the surfs.

      • I think you are right. I've always had a problem with the RFID chip being the mark. RFID chips are everywhere, and have been for a while. PLUS, it is a chip, not a mark. A mark, like you say, is a term for drawing, writing or design (logo) like a Trade Mark. The mark of the beast will be a brand or similar, Brand Mark.

  43. this is no joke right now, all of the world's leaders are speaking openly about it, and promoting it as some necessary solution to the world's problems, this is happening a lot sooner than i expected, if you thought things couldn't get any worse think again…. i hope people will finally be able to realize the NWO isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit, it's right before our eyes its our damn fate whether you believe it or not, this is the total opposite of democracy

    • It's exactly the time that it's been "predicted" (manipulated) – 2012 – the end of the world as we know it. Ah, but that's just "conspiracy theory" just as the NWO is? It becomes more and more blatant every day.

  44. "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the w***e, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

    –Revelation 17:16

    "And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

    "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

    –Revelation 18:2-4

    "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

    "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.'

    "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:"

    –Revelation 18:8-11

    "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, 'Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.'"

    –Revelation 18:21

    "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

    –Revelation 18:24

    • ive knew that its the roman catholic church (no offense) but i hope that pope bnedict will stay long in his throne because i believ in the "Last Pope Theory – where its gonna be war everywhere…something like taht

      • "watch the throne"

        "And call no man your father upon the earth." No man has a right to sit on God the Father's throne. Hence, the believer who addresses a clergyman as "father" is placing him upon a throne which he does not deserve and which is reserved only for God the Father

      • Yes.

        Rev. 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

        Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sat.

        Rev. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

        One city in the world is atop 7 mountains/hills; Rome. When Catholicism was formed, they adopted a great deal of Pagan ideals, this false 'Mary intercessor' deal being one of the many. Paganism formed from ancient Babylonian customs. What's Babylon in God's eyes 4000 years ago is always Babylon in God's eyes.

      • To Tristan Harrell's comment #75

        "…from henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed." (gospel of Luke, chapter 1, verse 48).

        This is what Mary said and it is inspired scripture. She is the one who said 'yes!' to the angel's invitation to be the human mother of the God who created her. Mary is also one of the only disciples of Jesus who was courageous enough to be present while Jesus was crucified. And in the middle, she asked Jesus (and persuaded Him!) to perform his first miracle, in the order of nature, at Cana. So Mary was there, faithfully, at Jesus' earthly beginning, at Cana, and also at his earthly end. Always there and always faithful.

        And yet, I never seem to hear Christians who are not Catholic (with the exception of the eastern Orthodox) say anything good about Mary…always something to the effect that we (Catholics) worship her. Seldom to never anything that comes close to what Luke 1. 48 says in obvious prophecy: -all generations shall call me blessed. Well, as for me and my house, we call her "blessed"! and "Jesus' mom"! and so many of the good things any good son would want people to say about his mom! etc.

        For just some basic information about Catholic teaching on the subject: we are not allowed, according to strict Catholic teaching, to EVER worship Mary. We even have a word for those who fall into the error and heresy of worshiping her: we call this erroneous form of Mary worship Mariolatry. Mariolatry is, and always has been, forbidden.

        I have many protestant friends who have asked me to pray for them and their families and friends. I have never accused them of improperly asking me to be an intercessor in place of Jesus, who is the only mediator! No, i pray for them because they ask me to. And Jesus takes those feeble prayers of mine and presents them to our Father in heaven. So i ask and Jesus mediates. That is the entire meaning of God becoming one of us. Now we go to the Father through Jesus in the Holy Spirit. I've never met a protestant parent who doesn't pray for their kids; but i never accuse them of replacing Jesus as the one mediator when they pray for their kids! So if Catholics say that some of those who have died and gone to heaven after leading exemplary lives (what we call saints) can be asked to pray for us because we believe they are more alive in Jesus now that they are in heaven (even though they don't have their bodies back yet because the final judgement has not yet taken place), why is this seen as such a great evil by so many non-Catholic Christians who ask sinful people like me to pray for them and their kids? I truly don't get it. If you simply don't believe that a person who died (in God's friendship and is therefore now in heaven) can pray for people still on earth, then we have a theological disagreement. Catholics simply believe that BOTH people who are alive and on earth AND people who are alive and in heaven can pray for us. You don't. Non-Catholics seem to think only those on earth can pray for others. But we both of us apparently believe in at least some form of intercessory prayer!

        I won't comment on the seven hills thing since it strikes me as a "proof text" taken out of context and could be interpreted a thousand ways. The book of Revelation uses symbolic language as a rule and it is not adequate to equate such symbols so concretely as if it is the only possible meaning. I am sure that just about none of your protestant brothers or sisters would say that is definitely what that text refers to.

        I am assuming Tristan, that you are a Christian who is not Catholic and in all sincerity I love and respect you as a fellow Christian. But it is difficult for us to fulfill the 17th chapter of the Gospel of John if we have biases and prejudices that preclude us from speaking clearly about our differing theologies. It is also difficult for me to see beliefs i hold dear to be so terribly misunderstood and spoken of in such a dismissive way. May the peace of Christ be between us.

      • Hi Dave, u sound like a very sincere catholic and i admire your devotion. one thing u need to understand is that the devil is a great deceiver; meaning that he will not come openly and tell you that he is misleading you. Another thing sincerity is not that which will take you to heaven; its total belief in Jesus Christ as your personal saviour, the rest are details *sorry* and sadly the devil is in the details. i feel compelled to share this with you because i have been there until the Almighty and ever-merciful God opened my eyes.

        Shake yourself off the burdens of being catholic and embrace the simplicity of being a Christian, Jesus says His yoke is light and it is. Read for yourself the Bible only, it's God's inspired word; and quit going by catechism etc remember God says you should not add or subtract from His Word. PLEASE don't trust fellow man. Ask God to send you the Holy Spirit and with your sincerity to Know the truth, He will reveal it to you.

        I am writing with a lot of love and would be guilty if i did not share the Good news with you. and sorry i did not quote the verses due to time constraints.

        I will be praying for you even if i don't know you. God's love and peace to you brother..

      • Thanks truth-will-set-u-free!

        I came out of the fog of agnosticism in college and studied many Christian faiths and chose Catholicism. My biggest difficulty with Protestantism is how it seems to separate faith from reason, reducing Christianity to a religion of the Bible only. For example, Kierkegaard's statement that faith must, ultimately, rest on a cloud (or to that effect). There are too many differences as to what God is saying in the bible, and, my understanding is that thousands of new Christian religions are formed each year in the US alone! This goes against Jesus' wishes expressed in John 17. Plus, it was regional conferences of Catholic bishops in northern Africa (Hippo 393 and Carthage 397) that sent a suggested list of books to the popes in Rome (Pope Damasus I 366-383 and Pope Siricius 384-399). These popes ratified the books those conferences found to be truly inspired. Then the Council of Carthage in 419 ratified again what those earlier councils and popes found to be the actual, inspiried books of the Bible. Before that time, there was much confusion as to what books went into the Bible. So the canon of the Bible you read today comes to us from the hands of Catholic bishops and Popes. This is a simple historical fact. St. Paul, the apostles, Mary, the disciples -none of these had the Bible as we know it. There were just a bunch of texts floating around and it was not yet figured out which were inspired by the Holy Spirit; there were hundreds and hundreds of them!

        So the Catholic Church teaches that God's revelation to us comes from 3 sources: Tradition, Sacred Scripture (the Bible) and the Magisterium (the Pope and all bishops in communion with the pope). It is through Tradition, for example, that we believe definitively that Trinity is 3 persons who are 1 God! The word Trinity is obviously not in the Bible. But we traditionally believe in the Trinity as Christians always have. Protestantism believes that revelation comes to us through the Bible only (1 source of revelation).

        A second problem i have with Protestantism is its lack of a defined moral code. For example, Catholic teaching forbids artificial contraception in all forms and has done so even since the time of Jesus -when a popular form of contraception in the Roman Empire was the eating of crocodile feces (no joke) to stimulate premature labor. The Church was against this in the Didache (an early teaching of the Apostles) and is still against it today (Encyclical letter of Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae of 1968) and was against it through all the intervening centuries. The science on artificial contraception is definitive that when the pills or devices do not stop conception, they stimulate embryonic expulsion (i.e. chemical abortion) as a backup. This is true of all forms of artificial contraception with the exception of condoms. Yet i know of no official teachings of Protestants that are against this chemical assault on embryonic life! Only some individual Prostestant Churches that reject contraception, but they are small in number. And even though 80-85% of Catholics do not follow this teaching, I can easily point out their error by showing them copious documents throughout Church history that tells them they are not following God's law on this issue to "be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth."

        If you can give me reasons to become Protestant that are more convincing than my reasons for being Catholic, I will convert. Frankly, I do not believe you can do so -i believe i have found the fullness of truth. I am part of a Church that has over 1 billion members and most of us don't follow our Church's teaching very well; we have seen and still see a lot of corruption among our members. But I love this Church and its actual teachings intensely, just as I love all fellow Christians intensely as the letter of Peter requires me to.

        So I thank you sincerely for your prayers and fellowship and hope you can see that Catholics, like Protestants, do believe EVERYTHING happens through Jesus. Only we think He likes to get intermediate cooperation from His friends before he presents His and their petitions to our Father in union with the Holy Spirit.

      • I am a protestant who believes in personal Revelation from God through his Holy Spirit to me. We also believe in the Spirit of Prophesy, so Faith is a huge deal and this personal relationship with Jesus (God) is very personal and grows as any friendship or relationship does. The Word and The Holy Bible are like maps to guide us and to test spirits and all things for guidance if they are from men, Satan, or God. I appreciate you sharing your testimony. I was once Catholic by tradition not Baptism and joined a cult for my lack of knowledge of the Bible so it's very dangerous not to know it! Now, I am free and doing wonderful in Christ teachings and love of His Word and Holy Spirit.


      • Very well said. and you are correct with your name the truth does set you free. i know what sheppards voice you are listening to. it speaks very loudly in the scattered fields.

      • Hi B,

        Here is a good teaching of the Babylon Rising and fun to listen to.

        Here is the trailer… Babylon Rising Part 1… The Day of the Dragon Part 2… Mystery and Mayhem Part 3… The Writting on the Wall Part 4

        These above are a softer introduction but after this and maybe opening your Bible KJV or NKJV are better than other translations in English try the Onslaught Series By Dr. Walter Veith very intense series not for the preson who never reads the Bible or prays. If you never read the Bible start oin the New Testament The Gospel of John until Revelations. Free Bible classes… Onslaught Series

        Catholics, Protestants, Atheists, Agnostics and everything else. We can all agree we love our Catholic friends and many other friends from all kinds of different faiths. We are not picking on you Catholics, I personally find the Catholics to be the most wonderful people in this planet ok! 🙂 However, the Rev talks about a "system Power that is corrupted and it's anti-Christ nobody knows exactly who he is or will be but gives characteristics 666 is the number of man and a human power that is corrupted and is also a religious power and a political power combine. We here can all be friends and be civil without hurting people who in their masses are never taught prophesies of Daniel or Revelations. I have been in many masses and they never taught anything like this. They are not lying and don't boast for your knowledge, rather teach in love.

        This can really hurt if we are not sensitive to their faiths. We are not Jesus to judge final things on anyone. We can all agree that nobody here wants religion and political power over the banks! This is seriously dangerous control. We can all agree even Catholics on freedom of religion and separation of religon and state.

        Finally, I am Christian and know that our Lord is merciful and good. I pray directly to God in the name of Jesus this knowledge has been the most liberating and most empowering relationship ever. Catholics, I invite to try saying something like "Dear Lord ….anything you like…always end in the name of Jesus Amen. Catholics I will try some of your suggestions to pray for the world, people and even the Pope! Why not 🙂 Thanks! Many people will go to heaven including Catholics, Protestants, people in cults like Mormons and people who never heard the Gospel etc according to Jesus judgement and full wisdom. Jesus can to save not to condemn. I am no a Universalist, but trust in a loving God! People use the Holy Spirit and Bible to not be deceived or hateful towards others. God made us all including the Pope! Let's not forget that.

    • This is for the "B" who commented-

      The bible describes a guy all decked out in fancy clothing and "looked up to" as the guy closest to God. People will believe that this guy is really the top dog closest to God.

      From my studies the Pope isn't anything like God or close to him at all, in fact, from my studies the Vatican and Pope do vile disgusting things and only appear to be holy.

      The NWO will have a one world religion and that might be coming out of the vatican but in reality is false and God doesn't approve.

      Babylon is the place where they were building that tall building to try to get closer to God but of course that's not needed. God changed their languages instantly and they couldn't communicate anymore so they had to spread out. That's where we get the words 'babble' or 'babbling' as in making no sense. (Hope this helps because I feel like I'm babbling right now lol)

      I'd be surprised of the world actually believes that the vatican is the true Gods man on earth.

      Confess your faults to man and your sins to God. (catholics confess sins to a man in the booth…had to go to catholic church as a kid so I understand how they work)

      The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

      Fear no man…God already won.

      HaHaHa! Get this….spell check keeps telling me I misspelled vatican and catholics because I didn't capitalise them. I refuse to conform to society. Heh I'm a loner Dottie..a rebel. (Peewee)

      • Don't forget, only God sits on a throne. The Pope (and Royalty) sit on their false thrones, placing themselves as "God"… False idolatry

      • there's also a documentary, it's a little long but it historically correct from beginning to end.

        "the last pope" – youtube it

        the vatican is the modern day babylon in spirit because…

        babylon was invaded by medo-persia which then was invaded by greece which then was invaded by the roman empire which later divided themselves from within throughout europe splitting into 10 different sections (10 horns – last beast) AMONG the "10 horns" came a little horn with a face on it saying blasphemies. this is like a small dose of the whole history behind it. it's very informative (the documentary) highly recommend it if you like to learn with an open heart.

      • Actually, we verbally confess our sins to a priest (not necessarily in a booth) who then gives us absolution. The Church's teaching is very clear that it is not the preist but God who forgives sins. It is a heresy for a catholic to believe that the priest is the one who does the forgiving of sins in confession. You can easlily confirm what i'm saying by reading it in the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' (aka CCC for short).

        I am curious what non-catholics believe Jesus meant when he said "whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you hold bound are held bound"? As far as i understand theology, it is wrong for me personally to not forgive someone (like my wife or kids or a friend or co-worker) when they ask me to. By practice i try to forgive people who wrong me instantly, whether they ask for it or not! Do those of you who do not believe in confession (in the sense the catholic church does) hold your neighbors sins 'bound' at times? (I don't do that -ever).

        But i do believe that if a priest hears a penitent confess some sin and the priest ascertains that the penitent has no sincere intention of changing his or her life and no intention of trying to stop committing the sin or sins mentioned, the priest can tell the penitent to try to reform himself or herself interiorly so the outward sign of absolution is not given by the priest to a penitent who is insincere in his or her confession of sin. It happens with some regularity that when a priest does not give absolution to an insincere penitent, that that penitent has to go home, think about whether he or she really wants to try to be more like Jesus or not, and then returns to the priest to make a good confession and really changes his or her heart so as to be more like Jesus in the future.

        -by the way, the Catholic Church also teaches that sins CAN be forgiven by simply asking God, with a sincere love for Him and sorrow for having offended Him, for His forgiveness. This can always be done, especially regarding what we call smaller (or veniel) sins which are sins that hurt our relationship with God but do not kill that relationship. Bigger (or mortal) sins do always kill our relationship with Him. So confession is necessary when we (catholics) destroy our relationship with God through terrible (or big or mortal) sins. But even on that issue, if i were in a plane that is going to crash and know i have commited a mortal sin, could ask God for forgiveness and receive forgiveness as long as i was sincerely sorry for having sinned against Him. But, normally, the common way for a Catholic to have sins forgiven is through confession which, we believe, imparts to us special, undeserved, graces to overcome sin in the future.

      • there is a very healing aspect to the sacrament of reconciliation….to speak out loud ones wrongdoings to another to aknowledge our faults and failings is incredibly freeing (as long as that person doesn't then "shout it from the roof tops" – hence the wonderful nature of confidentiality with the preiest).

        there is something very powerful about the spoken words – and I don't mean this in a magical way….but emotionally, spiritually and physcologically – words can build us up or tear us down…free us or hold us captive. (why do you think the enemies tremble and flee at the spoken name of Jesus!!)

        Often a priest will counsel if they believe it needed if there is certain areas in the persons life that they are struggling with.

        To physically hear the words "go now you are forgiven" is also an incredibly freeing and healing moment for many Christian Catholics.

        Of course God does not need the sacrament of confession/reconciliation!!! But He knows that it is a wonderful tool to help guide and bring healing and peace to sinners who are struggling.

        James 5:16 "therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.."

        A priest once told me that he thought it interesting that fewer people go to recieve this wonderful healing theses days….but instead will happily pay all sorts of therapists bucket loads of money often to discuss the very same things 🙂

      • Your initially post made me cry when you asked for help because you "don't know the Bible too well". Its heart warming you can admit that and ask for help. My heart breaks for those who think they know everything and refuse to see the truth before them. Good for you, B.

    • I'm Catholic, I go to mass every Sunday…and I have no idea what you're talking about. So I'm going to guess no, or at least they don't teach that where I come from…

      • They are just talking about the ties of The Church, which is a corporation, to the Illuminati. That said, some of the commentary is probably anti-Catholic.

  45. "And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." Mark 10:21

  46. Not surprised by this…still, it is sad and gross when men that should be considered "of God" are doing propaganda for "the other side". Heads will always be corrupt, but men of faith do struggle in the anonymity, holding real faith and maybe for their sake, God still endures us on this earth.

    • It's all been prophesied in the inspired word of God, the Bible. Babylon the Great, the great Harlot herself (A.K.A. false religion) is going to fall as mentioned in Revelation. And that includes this idolterous religion..

  47. well then im afraid of the theory that the world chaos will begin after the late papacy of pope benedict XVI – according to malachi's theory….somewhat like that…

    • This is a serious report, lets gain wisdom from it and not throw stones at anyones religion, Im not catholic, but I am Christian, lets unite in knowledge and fight our enemies…

      • The Lord said, "Vengeance is Mine".

        So, He already has plans for the enemy.

        Cool, I didn't want to have to bust a cap because frankly I'm exhausted plus I'm out of caps.

    • Yes! Christianity is for the Bible as Catholic is for NWO…

      Just remember what Jesus Christ (Christianity) did here in the earth, and also remember in what Catholic was busy doing in the inquisition period. It's clear men changes century by century, but habits prevail.

    • I was raised Catholic, not a member, ever, of the literal Catholic Church, I don't worship idols or the dollar and I realize now that anything media-sponsered is not for the betterment of mankind.

      I'd like to try to see them try. I dare them try to create a central bank.

      We will always be one step ahead. This is a chess game people. Pull your money out of the bank TODAY. Don't be stupid.

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