The Esoteric Interpretation of the Movie “9”: Heralding the Age of Horus


Tim Burton’s “9” is a computer animated movie that was released on 9/9/09. While some critics claimed that the movie “lacked substance”, it nevertheless conveyed powerful messages through symbolism. It even defines a “new age” for humanity as seen by occult secret societies. We’ll look at the esoteric meaning of “9”.


Warning: Gigantic spoilers ahead!

9 takes place in a dark, post-apocalyptic world where intelligent, self-reproducing machines destroyed all life on Earth. In this desolate setting, a small relic of humanity remains: Nine rag dolls animated by a scientist’s soul. These dolls, however, are constantly targeted by the machines that are determined to eradicate anything resembling life on Earth. The dolls must therefore band together to fight and destroy these evil robots.

The above paragraph pretty much sums up the plot of 9 in its entirety – and that is probably what most viewers got out of the movie. However, like all works infused with an esoteric dimension, there is more to the movie than meets the eye. Through symbolism and references, the movie describes humanity as a whole and the transitional phase it is going through. More precisely, 9 describes the world as seen by occult secret societies and the “new age” they are all predicting: the Age of Horus or the Age the Aquarius.

Before we look at the movie, let’s look at the occult philosophy behind it.

The Age of Horus

The occult elite believes that humanity needs to go through a period of great tribulation in order for it to “purge its impurities”. According to occult writers, these “impurities” include traditional religions and governments as we know them. Manly P. Hall, a 33rd degree Freemason, describes what should happen in the next phase of humanity. We’ll later see how this fits perfectly with the vision portrayed in 9.

“The criers of the Mysteries speak again, bidding all men welcome to the House of Light. The great institution of materiality has failed. The false civilization built by man has turned, and like the monster of Frankenstein, is destroying its creator. Religion wanders aimlessly in the maze of theological speculation. Science batters itself impotently against the barriers of the unknown. Only transcendental philosophy knows the path. Only the illumined reason can carry the understanding part of man upward to the light. Only philosophy can teach man to be born well, to live well, to die well, and in perfect measure be born again.”
– Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages

The most prominent occultist of the 20th century, Aleister Crowley, stated that the last 2,000 years were the “Age of Osiris”. Osiris was the “king of the living and ruler of the dead” and his Age was characterized by strong governments and religions, notably Christianity’s “emphasis on death, suffering, sorrow and the denial of the body”. However, since the 20th century, Crowley claims that humanity entered the Age of Horus, who is the child of Osiris. In this phase, humans would learn to become their own gods.

“In plain language, the Aeon of Horus means that the Godhead is being passed down to the individual who needs to learn to activate and find the God-Within themselves. This latest Aeon sees the beginning of the end of Divine Power and authority being owned by kings, queens, religions, governments, big institutions and dictatorships, which will increasingly all begin to fail spectacularly. The individual will have the opportunity to become fully liberated, in charge of their own spiritual destiny. ”
– Paul Dunne, The Magic of the New Aquarian Age and the New Aeon of Horus

Through subtle symbolism, 9 describes the fall of authority (mainly the Christian Church) in an new era ruled by the Luciferian philosophy of obtaining godhood through one’s own powers. Using rag dolls and very little dialogue, 9 describes the basis of this occult philosophy and shows how it will prevail.

The heroes of the movie are themselves the product of an ancient occult concept: They are homunculi, “little men” artificially created through a magical process. They are the epitome of man playing God and giving life.


The scientist creating the 9, the last homnuclus bearing a part of his soul.

Scientist creating 9, the last of the 9 homunculi that remain on Earth.

Homunculi (Latin for “little men”) is a concept that can be found in several ancient alchemical documents. In Jewish folklore, the Golem, an animated anthropomorphic being created entirely from inanimate matter, is documented in the Talmud and the Sefer Yetzirah (there are even accounts of Kabbalist rabbis successfully animating such Golems).

For a brief moment, the movie acknowledges the occult roots of its premise:

Visible for about a half a second, the cover of this book explaining the origins of the rag dolls, indicates the occult and alchemical minding behind the entire movie. We can, of course, start with the ubiquitous symbol of the All-Seeing Eye inside a triangle.

Visible for about a half a second, the cover of this book explains the origins of the rag dolls and indicates the occult meaning behind the entire movie. You might recognize the ubiquitous symbol of the All-Seeing Eye inside a triangle. However, the title of the book is even more telling.

The title of the book, “Annuls of Percelsus”, basically tells the viewers: “This movie is based on hermetic philosophy and alchemy”. Paracelsus was one of the most renowned occultists of the Renaissance. His work in the field of Hermetism, alchemy and medicine are still thoroughly studied to this day, in practically all occult circles.

“In any matter of Realization and Ritual, Paracelsus is an imposing magical authority. No one has accomplished works greater than his, and for that very reason he conceals the virtue of ceremonies and merely teaches in his occult philosophy the existence of that magnetic agent which is omnipotence of will; he sums also the whole science of characters in two signs, the macrocosmic and microcosmic stars. It was sufficient for the adepts, and it was important not to initiate the vulgar. Paracelsus therefore did not teach the Ritual, but he practised, and his practice was a sequence of miracles.”
– Eliphas Levi, Rituel de la Haute Magie

Paracelsus’ work De natura rerum (1537) is the first alchemical work that mentions the creation of homunculi. It actually describes a technique to create a “little man” using horse dung and human sperm.

The concept of creating homunculi subsequently appeared in other seminal occult texts, such as the Rosicrucian work Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz (1616) and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s Faust, Part 2 (a German legend about a man making a pact with the Devil). More recently, Aleister Crowley and his followers were obsessed with the creation of a homunculus (Crowley used the term “Moonchild”). Crowley even added the creation of a homunculus as a “secret instruction” when one is initiated to the O.T.O’s (an occult secret society) 10th degree.

With this reference, 9 therefore taps into a crucial part of Western Occultism.

19th century engraving of Homunculus from Goethe's Faust part II

19th century engraving depicting the creation of a homunculus from Goethe’s “Faust part II”


This page from the book "Annuls of Peracelsus" found in the movie appears to be inspired by the above engraving.

In 9, the rag dolls read  “Annuls of Peracelsus” and find a drawing documenting their creation. That drawing was probably inspired by the Faust engraving above.

In addition to the creation of homunculi, the movie also includes other parts of Paracelsus’ research, such as the use of magically charged Talismans, a tool Paracelsus used to treat his patients.

Understanding that the backstory of 9 is steeped in ancient occultism gives the movie’s storyline a specific color: It describes the world as seen by members of occult secret societies. The evolution of the characters in 9 tells it all.

The Characters

The heroes of the movie are nine rag dolls created by a scientist who infused his soul into them in order to give them life. He then died, along with the rest of humanity. Each one of the rag dolls embodies a part of the scientist’s soul and personifies one of his traits. On a larger scale, each one of these rag dolls represents a group within humanity as a whole. The fate of each doll represents what occultists predict will happen in the Age of Horus.

1: The Pope

The rag dolls are named and numbered in the order they are created, so 1 is the oldest one of the bunch. His position of authority and his distinctive garments make him the leader of the group. Given his attire, it is quite clear that 1 represents the power and authority of the Catholic Church (and religions in general).

1 wears a cape and holds a scepter, symbols of power. On his hate is strap a 1 cent coin, symbolizing the wealth of the church.

1 wears a cape and holds a scepter, symbols of power. On his hat is strapped a coin, symbolizing the wealth of the Church.

1 is stubborn, fearful, dogmatic, cowardly, and close minded. In short, he represents all of the Church’s shortcomings as perceived by elite occult groups. In the first part of the movie, 1 forces all of the dolls to hide in a decrepit Cathedral, discouraging his followers to venture outside of it. He wants his followers to stay hidden and ignorant as he believes that it is the best way to stay alive.

As the movie progresses however, 1 loses his authority, his scepter and his cape. He even loses the coin on his hat. In this transitional period, 1 ultimately represents the fall of religions in the Age of Horus and their loss of power, wealth, and authority.

At one point, 1's Cathedral is attacked by one-eyed robots and burns down, forcing the group to hide in the library instead. Difficult to find a more telling image representing the fall of religions at the brink of this new era.

At one point, 1’s Cathedral is attacked by one-eyed robots and burns down, forcing the group to hide in the Library instead. It is difficult to find a more telling image representing the fall of religions at the brink of a new era.

After the Cathedral burns down, the group hides in the Library. There they discover “Annuls of Peracelsus”, an occult book describing the creation of the rag dolls. 1 is against the dolls reading this book.

When the dolls open up Peracelsus', 1 tears up the page describing their very creation.

When the dolls open up Peracelsus’ book, 1 tears up the page describing their creation.

At one point 1 says:

“Dark Science. What does this useless rubbish do for us? Forget it!”

To which 9 replies:

– You know something. What do you know?”

1 answers:

– I know enough to leave their ancient evil to moulder. Look what they left us with.”

Does this scene represent religious elites holding occult knowledge while forbidding their followers from seeking it? 1 is therefore exactly how secret societies perceive the Church and how they want the world to perceive the Church … in order to abandon it.

9: The Light Bearer

9 is the hero of the movie. Not unlike 1, he is also associated with an object that holds a heavy significance: A light-bulb on a stick.

The movie poster depicts 9 with his electric torch. Note that the release date of the movie was 09-09-09, a nod to occult numerology and one of the movie's many flirts with the number of the beast, 666.

The movie poster depicts 9 holding his electric torch. Note that the release date of the movie was 9-9-09, a nod to occult numerology and one of the movie’s flirts with the number of the beast, 666.

9 is pretty much the opposite of 1. He is the youngest of the group, adventurous, courageous, curious, and resolved to solve his problems by his own means. In short, he is how occult groups perceive themselves. 9 also holds the Mystery schools’ favorite emblem, a lighted torch – a nod to Prometheus, the bringer of fire (divine knowledge) to humanity.

"Prometheus Brings Fire" by Heinrich Friedrich Füger.

“Prometheus Brings Fire” by Heinrich Friedrich Füger.

The Judeo-Christian version of Prometheus is Lucifer, which is a Latin word meaning “light-bearer”. 9 represents the Mystery Schools’ interpretation of Lucifer: A savior who “initiated” humanity to divine knowledge and opened a path to godhood (Lucifer gave Adam and Eve knowledge of good and evil).

While 1 apparently awaits a divine intervention to save the world, 9 represents the Promethean/Luciferian concept of attaining godhood through one’s own means. In the end of the movie, 9 does just that and even brings life back on Earth.

In this movie that takes place in a transitional period of humanity – between the Age of Osiris and the Age of Horus – 9 symbolically represents the Luciferian principle overthrowing traditional religions … and saving the world.

Other Notable Characters

6 is visionnary obsessed with a symbol that turns out to be the talisman needed to save the gang. If you look closely at 6's sketches, you might notice that they contain the numbers 666...

6 is a visionary obsessed with a symbol that turns out to be the talisman needed to save the dolls. If you look closely at 6’s sketches, you might notice that they contain three 6s.

2 is an older character that lost one eye. He actually says at one point: "Actually I dont mind having one eye. It's easier for me. I can concentrate on one thing at a time. You know?" He is one of many nods to the one-eye signs in the movie. In fact, ALL of the evil robots in the movie also have one eye.

5 is an inventor who lost an eye. He actually says during the movie: “Actually I don’t mind having one eye. It’s easier for me. I can concentrate on one thing at a time., you know?” He is one of many nods to the one-eye signs throughout the movie. ALL of the evil robots in the movie also have one eye.

Here's one evil one-eyed robot.

Here’s an evil one-eyed robot.

Here's another one. In short, no matter what side you're looking at, there's some one-eyed action going on. Is it a way of saying that this movie is a message from the occult elite?

Here’s another evil one-eyed robot. In short, whether you’re looking at the rag dolls or the robots, there’s some one-eyed action going on. Is it a way of saying that the entire movie is a message from the occult elite?


3 and 4 are historians and archivists. 7 is the only female and a courageous warrior.

3 and 4 are twins who serve as historian and archivist. 7 is a fearless warrior and the only female of the group. These three characters rejected 1’s rule at the Cathedral and sought refuge at the Library, the place where all knowledge (including occult knowledge) is stored. When the Cathedral burns down, all of the dolls (including 1) hide in the Library. Once again, knowledge and courage are portrayed as the opposite of 1, the representative of religion.

A Purge to Save Humanity

The dolls flee the burning Cathedral and seek refuge in the Library, where 3, 4 (the historian and archivist) and 7 (the warrior) already live.

This part of the story is telling because it represents the “evolution” that occult secret societies want to see in the world. Ever since the time of the medieval Knight Templars, occult secret societies have accused the Church of stifling knowledge, science and progress. It is difficult to find an occult writer who doesn’t extensively denounce the Church’s role in censoring occult knowledge and punishing those who teach or practice it. The move from the Cathedral to the Library therefore represents the abandonment of religions for knowledge.

Moving to the Library is however not enough. The robots still find the dolls and attack them. In the end, sacrifices must be made and some elements must be “purged” in order for the group to survive.

The occult elite perceives the evolution of humanity as an ongoing alchemical process. The goal of alchemy is to turn crude metals into gold and it is believed that humanity needs to transform using the same process. The first phase of the alchemical Great Work is called Nigredo – blackening. This phase represents the process of burning, turning the base material into black ashes in order to break it down and remove its impurities. In 9, the world is definitely going through the Nigredo phase: It is dark, burnt down and in ruins.

The end of the movie is also extremely symbolic. 9 creates a bonfire in the shape of a five-pointed star to liberate the souls of the dolls who were killed by the robots.

In the new Aeon of humanity, some elements will be eliminated from it. While they were useful during the previous period, they are now outdated.

9 creates a bonfire that will release the souls of 1, 2, 5 and 8. In the New Age, occultists believe some elements of humanity must be “purged”. While they may have been useful during the previous period, they are now thought to be outdated.


The four dolls who remained alive to see the New Age are incidentally the four who defied 1's rule and went to the library.

The four dolls who remain alive to see the New Age are, 9, 7, 3, and 4 … coincidentally, the four who defied 1’s rule. This is pretty much up the message of the entire movie.

After the bonfire, 7 asks 9:

“What happens next?”

“I’m not sure exactly. But this world is ours now. It’s what we make of it”.

Then it starts raining and we see living organisms in the drops of water. The purge has allowed life to be brought back to Earth and only the representatives of the Luciferian principle have survived.

In Conclusion

When one takes a first, superficial look at 9 and its promotional material, one is inclined to think that it is a children’s movie, with a slightly darker feel. Critics summed up the movie as being “eye candy with little substance”They may have understood the in-your-face “too much technology is bad, m’kay” message, but its deeper, esoteric message was probably missed by most.

However, once one understands the background knowledge used to build the storyline, the occult references, and the movie’s overarching philosophy, it is easy to see an entirely different dimension to the movie. 9 is about humanity going through a transitional period, embracing a Promethean/Luciferian savior, and destroying the rule of traditional powers, such as religion.

Aleister Crowley believes that this transitional period is now. He called this new age the Aeon of Horus. Horus was the child of Osiris and Isis and, for this reason, it is believed that humanity is currently taking the traits of a child. After finding the “Stele of Revealing” in an Egyptian museum (it was exhibit #666), Crowley wrote this about the coming New Aeon:

“Horus rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bi-sexual or epicene, the childlike confidence in progress combined with nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions.

Consider the outcrop of dictatorships, only possible when moral growth is in its earliest stages, and the prevalence of infantile cults like Communism, Fascism, Pacifism, Health Crazes, Occultism in nearly all its forms, religions sentimentalized to the point of practical extinction.

Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless, the football pools and guessing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants, no seed of purpose in them.

Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys.

Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried.

We are children.”

– Aleister Crowley, Book of the Law on the New Aeon / Age of Horus

This is what 9 is about. But there is one question the movie doesn’t answer: Is humanity organically entering this phase of History or is it being forced and provoked by the powers that be in order for it to achieve its own “Great Work”?



    • i dont understand what's so bad about abolishing organised religion? isn't it time to get rid of outdated conservative institutions that impose their ideology on the masses? what's so wrong with humanity breaking free from spiritual and moral enslavement to ideological and religious authorities? if the goal of secret societies is to get rid of catholic church then i dont see anything wrong with that. my problem begins when they start replacing one ideology with another…luciferian ideology…so they end up in a totally different belief system ..yet nevertheless a beliefsystem…so its just an entrapment…the real solution would be the buddhistic meditative approach…freeing the mind of all preconceived ideas..and mental formations…and just fusing with universal energies…abandoning all Ego and becoming God by fusing with the universal Self…( only when a seed ceases to exist, shall a tree grow out of it)

      • "my problem begins when they start replacing one ideology with another.."

        You have completely contradicted yourself. If organized religion, as you say, is worthless and we should get rid of it, you are simply replacing organized religion with a "buddhistic meditative approach."

        You have substituted one ideology with another.

      • However, christianity and luciferianism are both ideologies that explore something beyond yourself in order to find yourself. Some of the concepts of Buddhism are to help you find and better yourself through your own self. And personally, I think people should do these practices, regardless of ideology. A lot of people say they find themselves through God, and they may, but as someone who grew up in a christian family and always attended christian based establishments, using my own energy and discovering myself has cured me from many of the problems I had within myself. So, I can see where Cara is coming from.

      • meditation is not an ideology, and not a i dont see where i have contradicted myself…we can even drop the link with buddhism if that confuses you…you can meditate regardless of ideology as pointed out by Kate..

      • Lost souls. VC gives the run down of the full book of Revelation .. We see it unfold before our eyes .. They look at the Christ as some normal human who died in vain yet no one ever wonders well of Christ was not the only way then why in all Hell does Lucifer want to parallel himself and why has this evil ..this spiritual battle we witness do everything to totally dismiss him! Sad to say we are entering the age of Aquarius where Satan will reign on this earth. Many people even Christians will deny Christ but surely he will come and EVERY knee shall bow! God bless the blind that their eyes will be open and they can see past this pagan gumbo that our own Government has replaced true Christianity with! It's not religious at all it is all personal! Free will is a gift and I suppose God wants the pleasure of our CHOICE to follow that narrow road that leads to our salvation.

      • Humans need something to believe in. If we dont then we have no purpose and that leads to people trying to find a reason to live (aka chaos). And this leads to enslavement and another belief system. It's a pattern of destruction.

      • Every philosophy or "form" of spirituality is inherently a belief system whether you like that term or not. To practice meditation and believe in its benefits is a belief system. Even atheism is a belief system.

        You are simply saying you have a "better" belief system than, say, the Catholic church (though many great thinkers and philanthropists have been practitioners of the Catholic faith, so baby-with-the-bath-water as far as throwing the whole thing out goes…) and you've said that the belief system you believe in is what everyone should be practicing and that because someone believes their belief system to be superior to the Catholic church they have an inherent right to "get rid of catholic church".

        So, if I find your "buddhistic meditative approach" repugnant in some way, do I have a right to get rid of it?

      • oh no, dear Caravaggio! You gotta understand that nature abhors a vacuum, you get rid of something ( I agree with you about Rome religion btw) and something more evil will fill it, unless its replaced by a nobler, better morality. And as for buddhism, don't even get me started, it's pure Luciferianism at its head, haters of humanity and seekers of mind control, at its lowest level, like freemasonry etc, it's all "love, light and peace" to draw innocent, nice people like yourself in. They become the useful idiots for the New World Order under the headship of Madame Blavatski etc (google it, also the Nazi/vimanas connection in the Tibetan himalayas with the demoniac buddhist monks….talk about fascist!!) My friend, Jesus is against ALL these attempts to be gods-within-ourselves, He is also against Religion which we humans LOVE. He is the only answer, the true saviour of humanity from itself and from extra-terrestrial entities that sekk to blind and enslave us. Turn to Him for freedom, and truth, understanding while there is time.

      • 1. Whats so bad about Christianity? A belief system where people try not to be greedy, violent, lustful, vain, prideful, slothful, jealous, not just through actions but also on the inside, leads to a better society, one where people are truly self sacrificing and where family’s stick together. Look at our modern society where most people are atheistic hedonists, they’re completely selfish and atomized, alienated from their fellow man, only care about sucking as much fun out of life as they can before they die, and they’re still not happy. True happiness comes from living up to your best self, living up to the high standard of behavior set out in the Bible.

        2. Buddhism is not about becoming a god and “fusing with the universal energies” it’s completely the opposite, it’s about breaking all ties with all realities in the Hindu belief system, seeing everything as an illusion, love/hate, pleasure/pain, family/friends/gods, it’s all means nothing to a Buddhist so they seek to eliminate everything that ties them to the wheel of reincarnation, to truly escape reality and disappear from existence.

    • DoriThe Nemo0ne on

      Yes VC did it again………. Now people are still so simple minded they look at the movie as a regular Tim Burton movie :/ Tim's movie always have a hidden message … OVa people are still going to watch he's movies lol

    • pivoting platypus! on

      homunculi……weird. I watch a lot of anime and the the only one that I could relate to this article is Fullmetal Alchemist. The homunculi seen and observed in FMA gives a really good depiction of this article. IF you might be interested in this then you all may want to check it out. It's on netflix:

      Fullmetal Alchemist / Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood

      Hope this helps!

  1. These people sound silly with the God talk. A God does not have to wait to be a God ! Funny Alister is dead in a grave no where to be found. I thought the god in him and knowledge he acquired would have resurrected him by now. What's godly about that ? We have been studying knowledge ( illuminati, masons, numerology…..) for the last few years, and we are probably worst off than we have ever been before since it has become popular ! Give it a rest already. Show me one person in the history of the world that has become god like, or do the so called gods have to wait lol. Stop it !

      • Jesus became a god as well as others who aren't as prevalent. I'm no religious fanatic given the fact that worldly religions are just written by man but anyone can become a god, anyone can become anything, if this world has taught me something it's that facts change everyday so the facts of yesterday are practically the jokes of today

      • Jesus is not God.

        John 13:3- "Jesus knowing that the father had given all things into his hand and that he had come forth from God and was going back to God" How does God go back to himself ?

        John 6:37- " for I have came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me"

        Micah 5:2- "from you one will go forth for me. He will arise and Shepard his flock in the strength if the Lord in the majesty of the name of The Lord his God and " they " will remain". They equals TWO

        Colossians 1:15 " he is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creations. I have at Least 15 more verses I could quote making it clear Jesus is not God.

        The holy sprit is God's power that's all. That's what he calls his magic lol !

      • "I have at Least 15 more verses I could quote making it clear Jesus is not God."
        — Do you actively choose to dismiss the verses that make it clear Jesus IS God, or is that unintentional? lol

      • I'm still waiting on someone to post scriptures to back up such claims no lol ??

        It truly amazes me as to how many people don't know their God or his word. Denial is a powerful thing. The scriptures stand right before their eyes yet they still believe otherwise smh ! Not cool !

      • " I'm still waiting on someone to post scriptures to back up such claims no lol ??"

        Lol you waited around eleven hours. Some people do sleep and go to work, you know. 😉

        Anyway, you did some of the work for me…

        "How does God go back to himself ?" = He went back to the Father, who is also God. It sounds as if, from your question, you may not understand what the Godhead is? I recommend a video series by InspiringPhilosophy on youtube. Just search for the videos called "What is the Trinity?" and "The Trinity Explained (with Reason)."

        They wouldn't have wanted to stone Jesus for blaspheming unless He was CLEARLY saying that He's God in John 10:30-33 and John 8:56-59:

        " I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for BLASPHEMY; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST THYSELF GOD." (John 10:30-33, emphasis added by me)

        "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:56-59)

        Furthermore, Jesus wouldn't have said He's the 'good shepherd' (John 10:11) AND say "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Matt 19:17). John 1:1-5 is also clear enough, as are other verses.

        But you're right – the Scriptures can stand right before one's eyes and a person will still believe otherwise.

        By the way, I think you might be off on some of your quotes… I don't know if you copy/pasted them from somewhere, but they don't match up – some are off a few verses. I just wanted to let you know. I'm also not sure what translation you're direct quoting from (sounds like NASB to me)… but you might understand better if you stick with KJV.

      • FAIL- any one with sense can clearly see Jesus is not God ! You didn't really say any thing. You basically talked in circles !
        I'm using God's words and you are referencing videos ?? My first post was VERY clear. Now let's see what God's word clearly says again !

        John 10:29- " My father" ( if Jesus is God how or why is he saying my father ?) who has given them to me ( how can "me" and God be The same person ?) is greater than ALL and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand I AND the father are one ! Meaning like an unbreakabke bond. Noticed he said no one is able to snatch them out of the fathers hand. ( not my hand)

        Let's rewind to verse 27 my sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me 28, and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 MY FATHER WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME…." * drops mic*

      • "any one with sense can clearly see Jesus is not God ! You didn't really say any thing. You basically talked in circles !"

        Incorrect. I used verses from the Word of God and directed you to videos for ADDITIONAL information. I didn't spend two entire posts sending you ONLY videos.

        "if Jesus is God how or why is he saying my father ?" – Because the FATHER is another person within the GODHEAD.

        "how can "me" and God be The same person ?" – Pay attention to what you, yourself are saying, please. You're differentiating the "ME" in that sentence from the FATHER. Not between "GOD" and "ME." The FATHER and the SON are two different, separate people within the GODHEAD.

        "Noticed he said no one is able to ****** them out of the fathers hand. ( not my hand)" — You apparently missed the ME in verse 28, which YOU posted?

        How about we instead just post the entire section, shall we?
        "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of MY hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of MY FATHER'S hand. I and my Father are one." (John 10:28-30)

        WHY is Jesus' hand compared to the Father's? Because they both exist in the GODHEAD. WHY does Jesus have the power to give people eternal life?? Because He's part of the GODHEAD. Unless you honestly believe God would allow a normal human being the ability to forgive sins, give eternal life and act as the bridge between the Father and Man.

        Honestly, if you can compare my comments to yours, and still think I'm the one speaking in circles, sadly, I can completely understand how you're still missing the big picture. :/ The simple fact that you choose to ignore what "the Father and I are one" means in order to inject a meaning that, of course, aligns with your beliefs, is telling…

        "Meaning like an unbreakabke bond"??? Really? Because the verse says that's just an unbreakable bond or because you're trying to add another meaning to something that's otherwise clearly stated?

        I imagine, since you spoke down about them instead of watching them, that you ignored the videos I sent as well?

      • Correction. I posted: "You apparently missed the ME in verse 28, which YOU posted?"" – that was supposed to say "the MY in verse 28"

      • One more thing before I'm done with this.

        I think it's safe to say you made the claim " Jesus is God" without a chair to fall back on. Something a lot of people do. They respond based off traditions, what they heard someone else say, what they think they know…..not even knowing for themselves.

        I asked you to back up your claims and you couldn't. You even admitted I helped you "

        anyway you did some of the work for me"

        You had no clue of what you were saying. It was the verse I posted that even gave you a half of insight as to the scriptures. You had no scriptures to back up your claims. I think if you realized your claim was based without merit, and if you was to clear your mind, pray for understanding and go back and reread you would agree ! If I helped you out, probably because you didn't have a clue, what were your claims based on to begin with ?

        Ps I don't need videos when I have the Word of God ! I trust his word over all.

      • "I think it's safe to say you made the claim " Jesus is God" without a chair to fall back on."

        — You haven't been paying attention then.

        "Something a lot of people do. They respond based off traditions, what they heard someone else say, what they think they know…..not even knowing for themselves."

        — This is, quite obviously, psychological projection.

        "I asked you to back up your claims and you couldn't. You even admitted I helped you"

        — You did help me. By posting and expoudning on the first verse that you quoted, you proved by point because it was a verse you added subjective meaning to. So I cleared away that subjective meaning and spoke of it objectively, based on it's context and that shown in other parts of the Bible.

        You're free to believe what you wish though. God gives us free will, so that includes free will enough for you to ignore clear verses and inject ideas like: "see?? "the Father and I are one" means an unbreakable bond instead of what it's clearly saying otherwise!" Lol

        "Ps I don't need videos when I have the Word of God ! I trust his word over all."

        — P.S. It's a shame that you spend so much time twisting the Word of God for your roundabout interpretations then. By the way, those videos use Bible verses extensively. I only brought them up because they show more verses and give more explanation than I could typing out comments here.

        Not only that, but the videos represent a defense for the idea that Jesus is God – it PROVIDES VERSES – which is the EXACT thing you asked for. The videos, therefore, are NOT a replacement for the Word of God. They are direct responses to your request. Responses you'll continue to ignore because you prefer to rest on what you think you know and would like to believe.

        That's fine. I did my part and gave you all the resources needed to do further research – the same sort of research (though only a fraction of it) that I did when I used to believe as you do. If you're fine with your beliefs, I'm fine with you being fine. :)

        P. P. S. The Word of God does nothing in the hands and minds of those too clouded by, as you said, traditions, what they heard someone else say, and what they think you know. I just think it's sad that you can't realize you're one of those very people.

        I'm done speaking of this with you.
        Your comments and the Bible verses I quoted are more than enough to stand against you. They're crystal clear for anyone reading them. As are your poor attempts at clouding up The Bible's clarity with your own, personal beliefs.

      • goodness, I've laughed so much reading your claims "Jesus is God" — its in his head, he has a father– you nailed it — still laughing

      • Lol Sorry, one more comment. I was reading through our conversation and had to laugh.

        Riy, you read "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)…
        and say oh no, that's not meaning what it's saying! "I AND the father are one ! Meaning like an unbreakabke bond."

        The Jews HEARD from JESUS' MOUTH: "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)
        and the immediately take up stones to stone Him.

        Jesus asks them "Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?" (John 10:32)

        And they respond, saying "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (John 10:33) — Not A God. Not a god. but God. G. O. D. – as in THE ONE AND ONLY. THE MOST HIGH.

        But of course, Jesus, by saying those words, must not have meant anything near the idea that He's God. Not at all. Because Jesus, being God come in the flesh as a Jew Himself, would have thought those Jews would understand…. he just meant the Son and the Father have an unbreakable bond.

        The Bible – written during a time when equating oneself to one and only God – The Most High – was felt so strongly about that people were willing to kill over it.

        And in it, Jesus, being born in this culture and being capable of knowing the minds of men , knew they'd want to stone him, and yet says what He does anyway.

        And THEN asks very Jews who want to stone him to CLARIFY THE EXACT REASON WHY THEY WANT TO STONE HIM (for those readers who have no connection to the culture and may… perhaps, try to allegorize, or misconstrue Jesus' intention)…

        But surely, it's me who's reading and comprehending it wrong. xD
        Absolutely. Amazing. lol

      • "Because the FATHER is another person within the GODHEAD"

        Godhead lol. Where do people get this stuff from ?!Another person within the God head ! Come on people. Another person is two people. 1 plus one is two all day. I think a lot of people make things more complicated than it has to be smh !

        "Noticed he said no one is able to ****** them out of the fathers hand. ( not my hand)" — You apparently missed the ME in verse 28, which YOU posted? "

        * sigh* he said that in vs 28 but what did he say in vs 27

        "my sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me 28, and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will ****** them out of my hand. 29 MY FATHER WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME…."

        You missed 29. MY FATHER WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME.

        Go back to 11-18 he even say his flock becomes One !

        It's not that complicated !

        Basic math. 1( Jesus ) plus the other person in the God head lol is two right ? When did one plus another become 1 !

        You go on to say " the father and the son are two different people. There goes that one plus one thing again. Different is plural.

        " part of" a part is a half right ? " they " both" exist ? Both is two right ? It's basic and simple people. Read through the lines !!

      • Riy, I meant to also mention two more videos by that youtube channel that will help you out if you're in need of more verses proving what I said.

        Once on the channel called "InspiringPhilosophy" on youtube, please search for two videos – one is called "The Trinity in the Old Testament" and the other is called " The Trinity in the New Testament ." That 2nd video also touches on your beliefs concerning the Holy Spirit, if I understood your first comment; it seemed to be saying you think the Holy Spirit is just a power.

        I hope that benefits you as much as they did for me in the past (I used to think something similar to what you do).

      • You are correct by any standard that is referencing what is actually said in the Bible.

        Unfortunately, some people think they can"cherry pick" the parts of the Bible they like and ignore or deny the parts they don't like, which, to my understanding, is a kind of blasphemy in itself and God makes it clear that blasphemy (esp. in the form of denial of Jesus Christ) is unforgivable.

        Thanks for the youtube video titles. I'm going to watch them.

      • I just want to point out a few more things.

        John 3:16- For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whoever believe in him shall not perish, but have eternal life !
        ( important to remember- Jesus was sent to preach the word of God and to give man eternal life remember this )

        17- For God did not send the son into the world to judge the world but that the world might be saved through him.

        18- "He who believes in him is not judged; he who does not believe has been JUDGED already." One way to the Father and that's through the son. If you believe Jesus is God you don't believe in the son.

        Moving on to 31 which is John making it clear he is not the Christ but that the Christ is coming.

        31- He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth, and is from the earth speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.

        34- for he whom God has sent speaks the "words of God", for he gives the sprit without measure. The father loves the son and has given all things into his hand. He who believes in the son has eternal life but he who does not obey the son will not see life but the wrath of God abides on him.

        Moving on to John 5- 17- but he ( Jesus) answered them saying my Father is working till now , and I myself am working to now ( 16- they were mad Jesus was working on the sabbath)

        18- For this reason therefor the Jews were seeking all the more reason to kill him because not only was he breaking the sabbath but he was also calling God his own father making himself equal to God.

        19- therefor Jesus answered and was saying to them TRULY TRULY I SAY TO YOU THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF UNLESS ITS SOMETHING HE SEES THE FATHER DOING !!! For whatever the Father does, these things the son also does in a LIKE manner !

        20- for the Father loves his son and shows him all things that he himself is doing and the Father wil show him greater works than these so that you will marvel. ( the Father will show himself greater works ? So there are things God don't know ??)

        21- just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life even the son also gives life to whom he wishes 22- for not even the father judges anyone but he has GIVEN all judgement to the son so that all will honor the son even as they honor the father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the father who sent him……..

        26- Just as the Father has life in himself, even so he GAVE to the Son to also have life in himself 27, and he GAVE him authority to execute judgement because he is the Son of Man

        30- I can do NOTHING on my own initiative AS I "HEAR" I JUDGE ( preachh) and my judgement is just because I do not seek my own will, but the will of he who sent me. If I alone testify about myself my testimony is not true *Remember Jesus came to preach the word of God* He didn't send Jesus to testify about himself. Meaning he didn't send God to testify about God, and he sent John to testify of Jesus coming ). IF I ALONE TESTIFY ABOUT MYSELF MY TESTIMONY IS NOT TRUE.

        33- You have sent John and he has testified to the truth ( John 1: 24-29) but the testimony I receive is not from man ……….

        John 14- Do not let your heart be troubled, believe in God also believe in me.

        10- Do you not believe I am in the Father and the Father in me. The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own initiative but the Father abiding in me does his works

        28- you heard that I said to you " I will go away and I will come to you " if you love me you would have rejoiced for I go to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I." GREATER !!!!!!GREATER

        31- but so that the world may know that I love the Father I do exactly as the Father COMMANDED me !

        These are scriptures. No wishy washy math 1( me)x 1( you ) X ( her, me you and you is ONE) this is none of that, no video references…… These are Gods words. Get into your word people !

        Ps it took a while to type on my phone but I have more to post. See you in a few days . God bless in Jesus name !

      • This is the gist of it. The son of a horse is a horse. The son of a dog is a dog. the son of a human is human etc. The Son of God is God. See how simple it is?

      • @Riy 1 John 5:7 ''For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, the SON(aka The Word/ Yahuwshua (Hebrew name) Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE'' The Holy Trinity my friend….He who denies Jesus is the Christ, denies the Father also, and is the spirit of antichrist…Jesus was the word made flesh…YHWH(GOD) in the flesh.

      • The whole of scripture teaches that Jesus is God incarnate. See John: "in the beginning (that is, at Creation) was the Word…." and "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." (and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.) Also, Jesus claimed "before Moses was, I am." This is the reason they (the Jewish leaders) tried to stone Him. Jesus was equating Himself as "I am" and the Jewish leaders knew His inference of "I am" was calling Himself God. In Isaiah's prophecy about the birth of Christ –He is called Mighty God and Everlasting Father.

        "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

      • Hebrews 2:5

        For it is not to angels that have subjected the inhabited earth to come about which we are speaking 6 but a certain witness has given proof somewhere saying " what is man that you keep him in mind, or the son of man that you take care of him 7 YOU MADE HIM A LITTLE LOWER THAN ANGELS ; with glory and honor you crowned him and appointed him over the works of your hands 8 all things you subjected under his feet For in that he subjected all things to him God left nothing that is not subjected to him, now though we do not yet see all things subjected to him 9 but we behold Jesus who has been made a little LOWER than angels, crowned with the glory and honor for having suffered death that he by Gods UNDESERVED kindness might taste death for every man !!

        Rewind to Hebrews 1:1 God who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the phophets 2 has at the end of these days spoke to us by means of a son whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the system of things 3 he is the reflection of his Glory and the ex act representation of his very being ( representation ) and he sustaines all things by the word of his power and after he made a purification for our sins he sat down ON THE RIGHT HAND OF HIS MAJESTY in his lofty place 4 so he has become BETTER than the angels to the extent he has inherited a more excellent name than theirs 5 For example which one of the angels did he ever say " you are my son; I today have become your father and he himself will become my son " moving on to 13- but with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said " sit at my right hand " as I place your enemies as a stool for your feet .

        Ps there are so many verses stating Jesus is one with God and that anyone who is one with Jesus is one with God. We always hear the term being one with God. Even us as humans are able to be one with God through Jesus so I don't get how some are equating that with Jesus is God ?

        If Jesu is God why does it say he was made lower than the angels. How is he to sit at Gods right hand if he is God himself. Tomorrow or a few days from now I will post the verses where God talks Jesus being one with God along with talk of many others being one with God !

      • If anyone can become a God what's Godly about that ? The God I know created the heavens and the earth, etc etc etc infinity. He says things like I am the Alpha and the Omega, I am, the I am… when I hear people talking about becoming God I have ask like can you create a soul, can you so beautifully landscape a heaven and earth, can you raise souls from the dead……? What makes you God like I'll wait. Show me a God. Where is Alister Crowley still somewhere trying to power up ? Where are they and what can they do ? Judging over the last 2000 plus years nothing. I can't believe people actually buy into it. You have never met a single soul who have accomplished this but you believe it. Okay !

      • You're missing the point.

        The Godhead is within, each man and woman IS a God right now. You are simply veiled from this and it is your job to transcend the veils.

        Energy in spine=sexual energy=kundalini. This energy or light is your connection to the heavens — it's your role to remember this and use it accordingly.

        See this Zen koan : "You have to lose something to find it"

      • You are missing my point. They are making it seem more than what it is leading some down the wrong path. The path of destruction. Yes God created gods. Jesus, the devil, his angels are gods. I can see mankind, one of God's greatest creations as gods. BUT these are people appointed by God. He created us/them, so why is man kind giving the impression he can achieve such greatness on his own. I don't care how much knowledge you have it's not going to happen. That's my point ! God appoint Gods not man.

      • John 1:1-3
        King James Version (KJV)
        1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
        2 The same was in the beginning with God.
        3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

        John 1:14-16
        King James Version (KJV)
        14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
        15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
        16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

        Colossians 1:16
        King James Version (KJV)
        16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

        Ephesians 3:9
        King James Version (KJV)
        9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:


        2 Corinthians 5:19
        King James Version (KJV)
        19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

        John 5:39
        King James Version (KJV)
        39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

        Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. Colossians 2:9

        Acts 17:29
        King James Version (KJV)
        29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

        Romans 1:20
        King James Version (KJV)
        20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

        Colossians 2:9
        King James Version (KJV)
        9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        Genesis 1:26, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…” “Us” and “Our” are plural in the Hebrew.

        Deuteronomy 6:4
        King James Version (KJV)
        4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

        Matthew 28:19-20
        King James Version (KJV)
        19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
        20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


        Philippians 2:5-7
        King James Version (KJV)
        5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
        6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
        7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

        It's good that people go back and forth with the scriptures and we should always have an open heart as long as it's based on the word of God which is the bible so that we learn from one another and not be deceived by humanism for there is only one culture now(Ephesians 4:4-5), the word of God and none above that.

        I pray that the Holy Spirit(1 Corinthians 2:10;1 Corinthians 2:14) guide us and reveal the things of God unto each one of us and great Job to VG on showing the evil of the entertainment business, whether audio or visual.

        God bless and keep you.
        Blessed day

      • Riy, kundalini is wholly satanic. You are most likely a satanist/luciferian yourself.

        How many children did you sacrificed today, you vile satanist?

      • Story of Adam and Eve is still relevant today. The snake (Satan) told Adam and Eve they could be LIKE god if they ate from the tree they were not suppose to. It sounded good to them and they did it. Fast Forward 10000 years and what do we have, Satan still telling people through various 'fancy' words, religions, etc blah blah the SAME EXACT THING. "You can become LIKE god." Just follow these simple steps.

        There is good and their is evil. Evil is trying to do everything he can do make sure you don't know the TRUE God, Jesus. It's really not that complicated.

      • So God made Adam and Eve? They were born without 2 parents.Now coming to Jesus, he was born from a mother Why didn't he come to earth just like Adam and claimed he was God? Because was NOT.

      • Well that's a shame! The trinity is union. To deny the Christ is to deny the Holy Spirit which is connection to God for us sinners. You see God cannot dwell with sin so he sent his Son not only in perfection to gain human experience but also to perish as ransom for our sins! With that being said we can come to God in sin by way of Christ opposed to going to a prophet for direct answers from the father himself. It is clear to me that most of you do not know him and most of you are probably good people but the word doesn't return void and it says that no man shall enter the kingdom of he does not believe. It saddens my heart that all you know is all you know. I can see the stubborn intellect that builds a wall for connection to him. Not one has probably so much as tried to establish a relationship. If it sounds complicated to your carnal judgement than it can't be real but u look to a statue (idol) burn candles or whatever u do and pray to the universe when God created it all. I never thought I'd see it for myself. Babylon in modern times. FOOLS!!!!

      • I certainly don't worship the universe, I pray to God alone (probably not enough) , nor do I deny Jesus (or Abraham or Mohammed). The process you describe is mainstream Christian thinking that has been dictated down to you and you (and others) are decent repeaters. Has it ever occurred to you that people who are au fait with occult practice may well have clarified the validity of the rewritten scriptures for themselves, directly? Perhaps, I choose to see Jesus as a great prophet (but son of only Mary) despite being taught to say the Lord's Prayer at school every day, despite knowing all those hymns off by heart and despite many other factors because I am blessed with greater knowledge? Perhaps I actually know more than I am willing to share?
        Don't pass the buck to Jesus and believe you are off the hook – you alone are responsible for your actions, your sins, you will be held accountable in a stand alone capacity. Stop passing the buck and repeating.

      • I would doubt any God saying things such as "I am the Alpha and the Omega". Sounds more like the typical ego driven persona created by religion. No all are bound by the monotheistic indoctrinations created by religion. So there is plenty of room for more mind expanding alternatives.

        Personally I lean more towards the majority of ancient texts (far older than the bible) coming from all four corners of the world, all telling the same story. We have been genetically alterated by more advanced beings, genetically probably very close to us hence the reminder "God created man in His own image …" Pretty much what our science is already capable of doing today to a certain extent. Another 50 years from now we'll be doing the same thing elsewhere. They are already talking about human modifications for the adaptation of a future colony on Mars.

        This doesn't mean there isn't a 'God', but in the big scheme of things and in observation of the ever expanding galaxies and cosmos we are but a grain of sand in the desert, not that significant and maybe a tad bit arrogant to think we are.

      • "I would doubt any God saying things such as "I am the Alpha and the Omega"."
        — The rest of your comment's debatable, but what's quoted above was interesting. You'd doubt God saying such a thing, even though saying so simply provides humans with something of an understanding of what He is?

        Saying "I graduated first in my class" isn't an ego driven statement if you're simply explaining your placement in your graduating class. Objectively. Neutrally. To be bothered by something like that would, instead, speak more of status of the person being bothered by it.

        It doesn't make sense to be bothered by such a statement being made by the God of the universe (one has to take a moment for the entirety of the meaning of that label to actually sink in) to identify to you who and what He is, when you, as a person, end your statement by saying it's probably a little arrogant to think we're more significant than a grain of sand.

        After all, it's also probably a tad bit arrogant to be under the impression that you'd know what a 'God' (to the magnitude of that described in the Bible) would or wouldn't say.

        It's fine to feel as you do if you're leaving the Bible out of it, and only speaking about the other religions or lack thereof that exist in the world – which it's clear your comment does, to some degree. It's just inconsistent if you aren't (in regards to the first + last paragraphs being put side by side). Job 38 comes to mind.

      • When the dust settles those still around will know the ""Truth"" for sure. I just believe that there are tough times ahead for some and most and we all got to have faith in something and keep our senses about things through meditation and prayer. Things will happen to guide us in right path when we need it and well if we ask too. But too I have never heard of this movie. Thanks for sharing article. Interesting.

      • You couldn't have picked a better phrase than "I graduated first in my class" as a demonstration of the ego. I'm afraid you will have to revise your definition of the word.

        We have over 60 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way alone. Why would a god or gods be that concerned over making themselves somehow personally known to you or your understandings? Isn't all of THIS around you enough? Do you really need a Trademark or Copyright stamp on it?

        Greatness has no ego. It speaks for itself. It would be like Mozart having to justify his music sequencing or Michelangelo 'explaining' his work.

        And do you not think that believing we are superior over trillions of other potential planets (never mind species on this planet alone) isn't a bit arrogant?

        Nature doesn't operate in hierarchical supremacy. It's based on symbiotic cooperation. Even in Darwin's Origin of Species, Darwin mentioned “survival of the fittest,” only twice and love and cooperation 95 times.

        We are only one species among billions. If all insects on Earth disappeared, within 50 years all life on. Earth would end. If all human beings disappeared from the Earth, within 50 years all forms of life would flourish.

        So from a survival point of view it would make no sense for the gods to love us any more than they love spiders, whales or water lilies. The biggest problem with religion is that it indoctrinates somehow that humans' own Earth, rather than being part of it. And along with it a multitude of hierarchies, specisms and even racism.

        And why shouldn't the Bible be scrutinized? If we never reviewed our foundations and beliefs we would still be knocking stones against each other and the world would still be flat. Blind faith is just that, blind.

      • dear Lucilla – the milky way has over 60 billion habitable planets…? You've counted them have you? Been there, checked them out ? I think not! Pure speculation. There is only One habitable planet that's been observed and we are standing on it !
        But you are right. Why shouldn't the Bible be scrutinized? Well it has! Go to and look for the online video tab. Then look for the King James Code titles. Watch a couple or all of them – they're free – if you are not convinced that the Bible is the WORD OF GOD – you never will be. From there you can decide what you need to do about it. LoL Ray

      • its been more than 2000 years now, and people still have not understood why it is that Jesus is God, his teachings and his mission…. not even one bit people???

      • Look at the first picture posted…..behind him to the right..there are only two "towers" burning!!!! Things that make you go "hmmmmmmmmmmmm"

    • Obviously Jesus and Buddha are two examples of men who became as God or one with God. There can be no physical proof that someone ascended into godhood, because they would most likely leave this plane of existence. You might hear legends or stories about them, but no physical evidence would ever be found about these men/women ascending to godhood.

    • You are missing the entire message, the whole point to becoming God like is to never come back to this planet we call Earth. This is just a smear fraction to what our reality actually consists of. Sorry friend, but it looks like you are going to be here for a while.

      • Remember Satan's original lie. "Be ye not like God?" He has permeated this lie to all of those that follow him and the best way to identify who's side they are on. To be like God is the first lie and the death sentence we partook in…

    • If you think that being god-like and achieving Enlightenment means Immortality, then you are wrong. I don't support the illuminati, But I share a few of their occult views.

      • But the elite make very specific attempts to actually prolong their life – look at how many ridiculous vitamin potions the founder of Google takes on a daily basis. And it definitely prolongs their useful life as it improves the overall quality of their health for longer than if they were to live like the general population. No convincing a Pagan though, huh?

    • Interestingly enough the Bible prophesies about the destruction of all organized/false religion…

      The End of False Religion Is Near!

      How Will False Religion End?

      Picture the scene. A harlot is sitting on the back of a fearsome beast. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:1-4) Whom does the harlot represent? She exerts influence “over the kings of the earth.” She dresses in purple, uses incense, and is exceedingly wealthy. In addition, by means of her spiritistic practice, ‘all the nations are misled.’ (Revelation 17:18; 18:12, 13, 23) The Bible helps us to see that this harlot is a worldwide religious entity. She depicts, not any one religion, but all religions that produce rotten fruit.

      The beast that the harlot rides pictures the world’s political powers.* (Revelation 17:10-13) False religion straddles the back of this political beast, attempting to influence its decisions and to control its direction.

      Soon, though, an amazing event will take place. “The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” (Revelation 17:16) In a sudden, shocking move, the world’s political powers will turn on false religion and completely destroy her! What will prompt this action? The Bible book of Revelation answers: “God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought.” (Revelation 17:17) Yes, God will call false religion to account for all the despicable acts she has committed in his name. In a stroke of perfect justice, he will use her political paramours as his instrument of execution.

      What must you do if you do not want to share the fate of false religion? “Get out of her, my people,” urges God’s messenger. (Revelation 18:4) Indeed, now is the time to flee from false religion! But to where can you flee? Not into atheism, since its future is also bleak. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) The only haven is within true religion. How can you identify true religion?

      How to Identify True Religion

      What good fruit should true religion produce?—Matthew 7:17.

      True Religion . . . (details here www. )

    • I won't try and force my beliefs or interpretation of the bible on anyone, I will simply quote exactly what it says and let the reader(s) decide for themselves if Jesus was God (it's not difficult to understand)

      John 1
      King James Version (KJV)
      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      2 The same was in the beginning with God.

      3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
      14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
      John 14
      8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

      9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
      Matthew 1:23

      Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

      1 John 5:7
      For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

      Read the above, decide for yourself, it is very clear.

    • I totally agree with Unplugged: you are blinded and you have no respect for the Lord.
      You (like the idols) have eyes but do not see and ears but do not hear – therefore it is foolish to try open your eyes.
      But when a man wrestles with his life, that is when he calls out to one GOD – Jesus saves and he heals those who receive him in their heart.
      Only if they OPEN their heart.
      Only at the bitter end of his life does man realise who he rejected. I pray that you learn sooner than later.
      I shall not add anything else.

    • Funny Alister is dead in a grave no where to be found. I thought the god in him and knowledge he acquired would have resurrected him by now.

      I would do a little more research based on that statement. I think you might even surprise yourself. Oh, and don't expect him to be standing on a street corner talking about what comes next…

    • It's pretty obvious you don't know what "God" means. Maybe you're the one that should stop the ridiculous stereotyping. And what the heck do you mean by knowledge as "illuminati, masons, numerology…"? Is this some kind of joke?
      "A God does not have to wait to be a God."
      Is there any statement that has stated that we have to wait? Why don't you shut up and keep on reading now, my friend.

    • The problem with you is that you see "God" as one person and has the typical "godly" (powerful, whatever..) features. I think altogether we are part of God therefore we are also God. It's like generations of Jesus turning into God, creating another Jesus and becoming God and so on.
      I think that's the infinity though. But your ignorance is clearly making me scared to try to interfere.

  2. What is it with people thinking science, religion and knowledge cannot exist together?? I've never understood that. The more you learn about one the more you will understand of the other. Saying faith is keeping people ignorant, and that losing faith is the only way to knowledge, is asinine. Even Einstein understood this : "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" or something like that. But somehow its been drilled into peoples heads that these things dont coexist, which is why so many now mock people of all faiths as being stupid and backward. Smh

    • Faith and religion are two different things. There is nothing wrong with having faith. However religion is man-made and has been used in a way to divide people, and what is sad to me is that some people based their entire live and daily activities on religion, and they do think for themselves.

      • We'll while many believe that to be the case what's to say it's not? You have to understand it was society like your parents that raised you into Christianity like any child, they are your teachers and because of your youth and ignorance you'll believe what they believe to be the truth. I have nothing against religion or what you believe but people are not born of any religion, babies are not born Christians Hindus, Buddhists or Muslims. It's their parents, moral upbringing and their environment around them that made them that way. I for one believe that knowledge and faith should coexist with each other balancing the other.

      • Wrong my friend! Everyone is born Muslim (submitter to Gods will) look up the meaning. It is then the Parents influence and teaching that makes them something else.

      • God help us if we're all born Muslim and damned to hell. The Koran is false doctrine and responsible for leading millions into eternal damnation. Mohammed was a sick pedophile and should've had his balls cut off..

      • False. Explain why many atheist come from religious backgrounds then. Just because your parents believe something, doesn't mean you're predisposed to believe it also. I believe in Jesus because of what I've seen and experienced for myself.

      • "It's their parents, moral upbringing and their environment around them that made them that way."
        ~Blink Rules

      • It is often said that Unitarians are the only true Christians who are not committing blasphemy by associating partners with God. What if Jesus is NOT God but merely created by him – in terms of best odds, you could be committing blasphemy which is the only thing God will not be forgiving. Babies are born pure and unblemished in their belief in God. More often than note, it is grown ups and society which consciously or unwittingly corrupts their belief systems and denatures them for ever.

      • chrstmanservant on

        Well then all real christians are safe in our beliefs because this american/global SOCIETY certainly doesn't promote Jesus and is hostile towards true christians. regardless of what they've brain washed you to believe in these mind control camps called universities with pseudo "truths."

    • If God created the world around us and the galaxy and universes, then he created science as well. I completely agree with you. It is the attachment of Evolution or the new concepts that make it incompatible. The line to divide the camps and blur the meaning was done on purpose to keep the "divide and conquer" tactic going, as well as in other areas of our society.

      • Who's to say that god didn't have evolution in mind? Maybe god just got it all started. Who knows anything for certain? All this argument and war over a question that nobody can answer. The sad part is, we will never come together as a humanity to even try to answer it. To many, the answer is black or white, but there is grey that we can not even fathom. Let's all sit back and let the answer come to us.

  3. Good flick and a Great writeup VC!

    "9 is about humanity going through a transitional period, embracing a Promethean/Luciferian savior, and destroying the rule of traditional powers, such as religion."

    The purpose of < Illumination/ Gnosis/ the Great Work > Is becoming your own savior not trading one savior for another… Prometheus, Lucifer, Faust.. etc are not Saviors, but Models. It's about transforming your base self to a Higher You. Which is how it all connects to Alchemy.

    • Could it be that this Lucifer being really sacrificed himself in the macrocosm for humankind in order to bring the light of the principle of mind? And that man can use his mind according to this "model" in this microcosm to transform himself into his higher Self – by initiation into the mysteries of the various Saviors, or Drying Gods- and whereby "mind has to destroy itself that which is greater than mind may endure"?

      "In the secret teachings it is written that mind itself is the Savior-God… mind, the Universal Savior, dies at the gate of Nirvana while the souls he has redeemed pass on to perfection." – Manly P. Hall

      “Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age. “ – David Spangler

      Could it be that to get Lucifer back into his throne we must "accept" his gift of spiritual evolution so we are free in him and he is free in us? Its like Lucifer needs us, and it looks like it answers the big question: "Why does the devil collect souls?" It all makes sense this way.
      As above, so below…

      • Because Lucifer hates the human race and the Creator of it. And how can you upset someone? By hurting his children. Lucifer despises God and shows it by hurting His children.

      • Satan and Lucifer are two different beings

        That being said, If we are regarding the Bible as the authority >>
        It is God who set up the system, including Hell, not satan.
        You go for two reasons depending on your interpretation
        1. Not following the rules ~ OT
        2. Not having faith ~ NT

      • No, satan and lucifer are the same…lucifer was the name given to the devil before his fall from heaven. It was after his fall that the name satan was given to him…but those two names describe the same being.

      • Fall from what heaven? Satan was created by God from the beginning. He was not and angel. Stop this madness, read the bible properly people.

      • Lucifer is Satan and he does NOT hate God – where does it say that? He is rejected and rebellious but if he were able to undo his downfall, he would.

      • Yes, he is against God because he defied God and wanted to be above God. Satan also represents everything that is the opposite of what God is. God is love, the opposite of love is hate. So yes, Satan is full of hate because he seeks to kill, steal, and destroy.

      • Opposition and defiance does not equate to hate. You then quote from your religion 'God is love' but God is obviously so much more than just that.

      • I prefer the Moslem interpretation giving God 99 names (if I remember correctly) otherwise He sounds a bit uni-dimensional. I firmly believe that people can get frustrated with God but carry on following him because that is the right thing to do in the long run. Likewise, from having listened to Zena LaVey speak on this a fair amount, I fully believe that human beings can have a visceral relationship with satan where they relate to him as lover or parent and love him but do not believe in him and ultimately know that he is doomed to fail.

      • Read the bible and you will understand better the devil's origin and how he stands in opposition to God. God is a just and fair God and does not accept sin, but at the same time is forgiving of sins. The devil is everything representative of sin and evil in this world. Therefore he was banished from heaven. Don't be so deceived, and trust in what the bible says.

      • I also wanted to add that even though God forgives us of our sins we also have to repent of sins committed here on earth and accept Jesus as our savior.

      • God of love does not create a "hell" You would have to be awfully hateful person to put someone in lake of burning fire for all of eternity. Pretty shitty place to reside.

      • Maybe satan isn't one person, creator or demon. Maybe it represents us. Human beings, who think we are above God, and want to be greater than God, so he put us here for all of eternity. What is at the core of this planet? A great lake of burning fire. I think Lucifer, Satan, Human beings, are all one in the same. We have to crucify our own ego's, and realize we will never be better than the creator. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Maybe until we get it right, we are stuck here. From what I can see, we still have a really really long ways to go.

      • "Could it be that this Lucifer being really sacrificed himself in the macrocosm"
        What instance are you referring to? When did he do this?

        At the core of the occult it isn't about worshiping anyone, Its not trading Yahweh for Satan.. or placing anyone else on the throne.

        Its about self realization and actualization

      • Sounds like you are fooling yourself. Man is imperfect. The only hope for man is to follow God, the God in heaven and no other. I do not mean Lucifier, he is the same as Satan, one and the same.

        To anyone else reading the comments: Please think critically about what people are saying. Some people on here have extreme opinions. If you believe the comment thread to which I have replied, then you have the same opinion as the occult elitists. Not everyone here in the comments or even in some of the articles is of the same mind and opinion on all things.

      • The occult is about elevating self to godhood. That is spelled out fairly clearly, imo, in everything from Freemasonry to LaVeyen satanism. Perhaps "self realization and actualization" sounds less "self glorifying" to some, but as Dylan said "you gotta serve somebody." I think of that in terms of either God or Satan, but if one don't believe in them, then who is one serving? Him/herself, right? So there is gonna be "someone on the throne" one way or another.

      • Lucifer is not a being existing outside of you, it's a symbol. According to GA Gaskell, Prometheus (aka Lucifer) is a symbol of the individuality seated in the causal-body on the plane of the higher mind (fore-thought).

        While I don't understand this myself, I do can tell that (a) it's all symbolic and (b) it's not bad or evil.

      • Why are the adherents of these beliefs so explicitly evil? Maybe in their delusional minds they feel that they are superior and the "Great Work" involves involves great atrocities such as war to kill off the "unwanted chaff" and sheep. Maybe the sheep should wake up and overthrow these sociopaths! Just saying.

  4. This is a great break down of this movie. I have not seen it cuz deep down I knew it was a nod to the "mysteries" and I don't play for their team. If anyone thinks the golem story is too much to believe well there is other stories that hit at the use of golems. I am, among other things, an "Otaku" so I have seen an anime called "Full Metal Alchemist" it has two versions. if anyone hasn't seen it the "Brotherhood" version is the best cuz it removes the long story building and just gets to the action and adventure. So I'm convinced that this breakdown of nine the movie is on point with the real occult and slowly we are being "brainwashed" to think the occult is a force for good!

    • He posted a picture of six. and also stated this:

      "6 is a visionary obsessed with a symbol that turns out to be the talisman needed to save the dolls. If you look closely at 6′s sketches, you might notice that they contain three 6s"

    • For what it's worth, GA Gaskell defines the number six as a symbol of accomplishment of growth or purpose;– the number which limits and serves to usher in the seventh, that of perfection. It signifies completion of a period of activity,– as six days, six hours, six signs, six months, six seasons, six years.

      The number nine: The number three is the number of perfection and completeness. Nine, which is three squared, refers to the attainment of perfection on the three lower planes.

    • You're question perfectly elucidates why the Illuminati stranglehold grows wider, stronger, and tighter everyday – halfwits who fancy themselves as keen observers , but are actually not really paying attention to anything more than the flash.

    • #6 shows the image that is their key. Sure you can argue that it looks like three 6's thus the number of the beast, but I would point more clearly that the image is actually the face of dolls and their master (e.g. two eyes and a mouth) and that this is more of a tip of the hat to the old Hebraic diagrams of Adam Qadmon who was the 'first man' through which his face are created all of the worlds metaphorically speaking.

    • ~Malpherian~ on

      6 was the one in the Asylum costume always drawing talismans, he is also what you would consider the "Prophet" which is left out of the description. The for-teller, the seer, the knower, the one who knows all without explanation.

      He is also the one who is not purged, but left immaterial and metaphysical in state, complete, evolved and ascended. He is the one of all of the characters that reaches "Godhood" as it's stated, or in terms I prefer, he simply became a metaphysical entity.

      In answer to someone else question about oposites, religion as portrayed by man, and corrupted, has no place in this world. Man himself can not even follow there own doctrines. The excuse no one is perfect and the concept of sin is simply that, an excuse.

      Life is about choices. You are responsible for yourself and all of your actions. If you choose to be part of a society and yet do not follow that societies laws, or only follow the ones you deem you should personally, there are consequences for breaking the law.

      Yet in religion it is the norm and the excuse for any crime is sin, and sin is forgiven by whatever deity you worship. Religion encourages excuses, being hypocritical, and insanity in general. Religion says love thy neighbor and in the next breath, gives you an excuse to murder them in cold blood.

      Actions have Reactions, and Effects for their Cause, whether they are viewed as good or evil, right or wrong (Which in truth neither exist and are simply perceptions of reality based on an individual or societies collective viewpoint).

      On Godhood, you ask where is Crowley and others? Their physical bodies are dead and they show no evidence of being around, but let me ask you this:

      If you became a metaphysical entity, or a god, or whatever you choose to define it as, would you really care about some insignificant backwater planet which is one of an infinite number that supports life, on the edge of a spiral galaxy, part of an infinite number of galaxies in an infinite number of physical universes, in an infinite Universe?

      I wouldn't. But then I am the aspect of Chaos and Change itself. So I care naught for anything save the change and knowledge itself.

      Aspect of Chaos

    • ObeyUrRepublic on

      Probably by design. Maybe 9 is Six as well, As above so below, Six is Nine inverted, good & evil, Yin & Yang.

  5. Great, I've been waiting for you to make an analysis of this film… always knew it had a deep, occult meaning. I went to see it on screen with some friends, who just sat there and enjoyed the "cartoon" ; saying afterwards "it's a bit weird but guess what ? Nevermind… Let's eat fast food and stuff". I was, on the other side, astouned by the profliferation of symbols (and I wasn't aware, back then… So you can tell it's pretty obvious). They said to me "naah, don't think too much…" Well sorry, it's what keeping me vigilant…

    Thanks for all we can learn from you, VC.

    • Too many people either din't want to know (stay ignorant) or are ignorant. We can choose to focus on the 'everything is good' part or get ourselves informed and learn how to discern rightly. Stay vigilant!

  6. Excellent article, one of your best in a while. I saw this on TV a couple of weeks ago and instantly recognized the themes and symbolism. Very underrated film. Keep up the great work.

  7. Fabulous article Mr VC, you are a well-read and clever boy! Unfortunately, it seems that the atheists will use it as a means for justifying their thinking. I would urge readers to find time to read the whole texts mentioned in the article (most of the biggies).
    Tim Burton along with his clique … wish I could say but you can probably hazard a guess……
    I do agree that codification has been the undoing of monotheistic religion and rendered it increasingly palatable. Occult thinking has been marketed insidiously and highly successfully to fill the void (we all need to believe in something). It has been hugely successful to the extent that most of it's adherents neither know nor would accept that they are Luciferian. There are a multitude of labels, counter-religions and de-labels they would throw back your way but they refuse to be classified correctly. In this age, It is hard for anyone to run with a label and earnestly stick with it; something which was so much a given in previous ages that it was understood implicitly.
    The main failings of the church have been representing satan as horrid and ugly (as I have said previously) and most memorably, ridiculous efforts made by ministries to present themselves as cool and relevant. The mindset of most organized monotheistic religions is highly exclusionary,didactic and misinformed and we have all suffered for it terribly.
    Go back to the beginning. Teach your children to pray at home and teach them about your faith and beliefs within your own home so that you are absolutely sure they are being taught what you would hope. You wont be able to control most external influences in their lives but why delegate out the parts you can help them with best? Let them explore/convert/revert/screw up and encourage them to consciously treat their spiritual journey as a learning experience which they should value and you value. Don't set yourself up as perfect examples of anything as you will crash sooner or later and they will end up all the more screwed up for it. Let them love you as your imperfect self.

    • InaccessibleRail on

      Excellent response, couldn't agree more.

      We need an army of good to fight against the powers of evil. That army is our children and what we teach them. Knowledge gives us strength!!
      This article hits the nail on the head.

    • If God made man in his image, isn't it a logical deduction that we have the ability to become gods? What parent would deprive their child of any of his/her riches? Perhaps we should pray that we are worthy to become vessels of the divine and see what happens? The divine has many faces, after all, and one of them is Tim Burton.

      • God is love and humility. You can see how gifted were all the Saints who had love for everyone and more humility than any of us. God gives you abilities that are only there for a good cause not to use them for ulterior motives.

      • OnlymenarefromGod on

        Sorry, Gwynned, but only MEN are God's image. Women were created by Satan and thus all women will go to Hell, as is written in Quran. Only men will inherit the eternal life, women will just die and cease to exist.

        Which is what you and your vile gender deserve.

    • Amaryllis, jsut shut the eff up. You have already proved you are with the elites with your bashing of men and men's rights, to not to mention have you contemptuously called VC as "boy". He is a MAN, not a boy.

      Are you so stupid you don't know the difference?

      Oh, and i hope you will be burn in hell, you vile, disgusting worm.

  8. Interesting to note that the surviving homunculi (9,7,4 & 3) when added equal 23! An important symbol in esoteric numerology.

    • Four is a number significant of system and order; and so there are to be found in the universe and soul many arrangements in sets of fours, which sets have relation in correspondence with each other and binding them together.

      …the number four applies rather to the natural order of things, the quaternary, and does not include the spiritual.

      Four is symbolic of the world, and nature, and of man by nature.

      (GA Gaskell)

    • Reminds me of that movie that Jim Carey was in "23" and the number was also featured prominently in the TV series LOST which contained much hidden occult "knowledge".

  9. WOW. I saw this movie awhile ago and took it at face value. I didn't even realize the depth of this film until now. Talk about Eyes Wide Shut! Thanks VC, you're always blowing my mind!

  10. I just started to download this movie online so I could watch it before I read this article. So while we are waiting, anyone see the trsagic news that Paul Walker died in a Fast and Furious car wreck

    • Totally off subject of this article but since you brought it up…I just watched one of Paul's last movies called Pawn Shop Chronicles. I was speechless at all of the symbolism. Not to spoil it for anyone but… there's a scene with a car that has red wings painted on the hood (I think it's actually a phoenix), he's sitting on the hood right in the middle of it when then the wings catch fire. There's another scene with him riding in the passenger seat of a pickup and there's a small skull sticker on the window behind him with devil horns and fire burning on it. They nearly crash after swerving off road and stop right next to a bow and arrows leaning up against a tree. Not sure what the occult meaning behind those are, but I've seen bow and arrows in a ton of these symbolic movies, i'e Hunger Games. Anyway, he ends up dying by an explosion while wearing a clown mask later in the movie. He plays a white supremacist and has a spider web tattoo on his neck (which symbolizes murder) but it's actually in the shape of a pyramid, not to mention the pyramid shirt he's got on the whole time. I'm sure I missed a ton of other things but I had to turn it off, it was just getting a little ridiculous so I'll finish it when my mind isn't so blown LOL.

      VC you should definitely do a breakdown of that movie. Normally I don't put too much thought into things like that, tho I know movies so like to drop hints from time to time. This one, however was a little too close…

    • Yes, his death seemed very suspicious to me. How can crashing into a pole and or small tree cause the car to explode into a pile of metal. I've seen videos of cars crashing into poles and trees and did not cause that much destruction. Also, the driver, Paul's friend was a professional driver who had the experience to handle driving sports cars. There are so many inconsistencies to believe the main story of what's being reported by the "media". His friends and family said they were not speeding. However police said speed was a factor, and later the media said it was steering fluid. So many things that don't match up.

  11. i dont understand what's so bad about abolishing organised religion? isn't it time to get rid of outdated conservative institutions that impose their ideology on the masses? what's so wrong with humanity breaking free from spiritual and moral enslavement to ideological and religious authorities? if the goal of secret societies is to get rid of catholic church then i dont see anything wrong with that. my problem begins when they start replacing one ideology with another…luciferian ideology…so they end up in a totally different belief system ..yet nevertheless a beliefsystem…so its just an entrapment…the real solution would be the buddhistic meditative approach…freeing the mind of all preconceived ideas..and mental formations…and just fusing with universal energies…abandoning all Ego and becoming God by fusing with the universal Self…( only when a seed ceases to exist, shall a tree grow out of it)

    • Well for one thing we live in a free country and each and every one of us should and do have a right to believe and practice what we chose this one world rule is working on stripping us of all our rights as it stands now the church is not forcing any one to believe or attend a church at all we all get to make our own choices as it should be its called freedom and no I am not Catholic.

    • Buddhism is Luciferian as well… I encourage you to do more research into it. I know on the surface it looks peaceful and just, but it's really not. Look at the symbolism used in Buddhism and what they mean and refer to.. You may make a startling discovery. The whole concept of "you are you're own GOD" is Luciferian. Christ is the only way.

      • lol – I usually switch it off two minutes before the end as every video ends with an on-the-spot opportunity to convert ….. on the back of a video clip, as you do……..The presenter has a very unique style of delivering her analysis as though she is hooked up to electrodes under her clothes. I can just see her minister sitting in a little cctv room with his zapper at the ready.

      • Anomaly – stop embarrassing yourself, please. Are you a scholar? Have you read the Buddhist Canons? The Vedas? Upanishads? You are talking out of your arse and sound like a buffoon.

        "Better be thought of as a fool then speak and remove all doubt." Remember this next time you interject your unfounded opinion about a beautiful philosophy of life. SMH.

      • Actually, Anomaly is correct. I have researched it as well, and though there are different teaching or sects of Bhuddhism, they teach to worship the self or 'free your mind'. Freeing of the mind is a practice in satanism and voodoo, allowing demons to enter and assume control. He has done his research. You seem to be protected your own belief and that is fine, but don't call him a buffoon or liar if you cannot say why yourself.

    • Abolish the institution of religion? … Why, just because you don't agree with it?

      Most people who consider themselves religious do so out of their own free will and most of them are normal people. I have religious friends and they're still open-minded and easy to talk to. They have the right to go to church or visit their temple of worship if that's what they want to do. Its ridiculous when people blame everything on religion. Not all wars were started due to religion. In fact some world problems were started by those who are atheist or not religious. Religion and money are not the root of all evil. They are just things that people assign their own meaning too. All individuals react differently. Some have a positive approach to religion and money, while others have a negative approach. I would say the root of all evil is greed – because when people act out of greed and selfishness, thats when we have serious problems in human relationships and in society. Abolishing religion won't abolish human greed.

      • you should not confuse religion and God…religion is dead…its pure lawfullness..its being correct by law in front of God..its pure hypocritical…God is love and compassion and dont have to do anything to earn Gods already have it..thats all..just rejoice and celebrate and dont take anything seriously…and let Gods will work through you..just go with the vibe…
        those who start building their theories around it and start to build expectations and strategies and control and bla bla bla are only dwelling away from God…which is just pure essense of light and bliss…its a gift..just take it and be gratefull..and be thankfull..and cry and laugh and enjoy it..and bless the universe for it…thats humble…you are nothing…God is everything…

      • Well, happily, you don't take anything seriously and you are nothing. According to your statements, of course, not mine.

        Unless you mean everyone except for you should take nothing seriously and everyone except for you is nothing?

        I do take what is serious seriously and I am sure I'm not nothing, but am someone.

        You sound like some kind of leftover hippy or Shirley McClain with a fascist bent, but as you take nothing seriously and are nothing, I guess it doesn't matter.

        Oh, and people are free to confuse anything they want to. It's called free will and I don't think there is a damn thing you can do to alter that.

      • Just my opinion, but it seems to me that all wars are started over money, or some other type of wealth. Religion just seems to be the reason the combatants give to seem righteous.

    • I don't think he means "abolish" religion, but remove its power in government. I am classified as an "atheist" and grew up in a secular household. I was lucky enough to have parents who instilled in me good manners and morals. I seek no comfort from death, and I require no system off of which to base my morals. The United States is largely secular, but religious beliefs do tend to affect non-destructive social liberties. Like if something is completely innocuous, besides the fact that it defies your religious beliefs, I don't think you should have the right to tell other people how to live their lives. I respect people of faith. As long as they're not hurting anybody, they can do or think whatever they want. I don't think it's evil nor immoral for me to believe that there's a floating ball of rock and gas on which an unlikely set of circumstances occurred that allowed beings to exist, and then their control mechanisms (brains) grew so complex that they were capable of autonomy, and then those brains evolved to allow a highly sophisticated capability of expression and thought, and nothing really makes sense so those brains attempt to justify it. Science, religion, it's all the same. It's meant to explain the unknown. Unfortunately in a secular society, beliefs will clash. If we could just learn to accept EVERYTHING as theory, and not fact, we could all be a bit happier. Life means eating, pooping, procreating, and dying. Everything else is is an artificial construct, and thus should be treated lightly.

      • Have you ever studied metaphysics? Electromagnetic energy is very much the same as "serpent energy" and resides in every human body as kundalini energy.

    • I agree with you on some things. But I think the Luciferians are behind most deceptions in society today! They keep "knowledge" or gnosis to themselves and keep the masses under control with the use of religion. They are far from being good people. They believe in order out of chaos and the ends justify the means. They have maintained a choke hold on society for centuries. They practice dark occult rituals in secret to gain this knowledge and power. They are not like the Hindu or Buddhist priests who only practice the positive parts of kundalini. They invoke the shadow side of Malkuth and Lilith.

      • yea i know what you mean sister, but in the end if you see Upanishads or Bhadavad ghita they all confirm that the universe goes in circles..iron age, bronze age, silver age and golden age (the yugas), so its basically like weather seasons…keep changing with the rotating of the planets around the sun…so do the yugas come and go like the weather…so although we are in a Kali Yuga right now…after this…we will die and get reborn as spiritual beings in a spiritual golden age…those illuminati are only fooling themselves thinking they can change the course of the history…i mean maybe to some extent on the material plane they can rig the elections or drop some drones in the middle east…but in the end…who are they to stand against GOD???? everything comes from God and everything returns to God…even Lucifer…or Malkuth..or Lilith…they all come from God…and they will return to God.

      • Alex vandenBerg on


        Thank you for what you are trying to do. Whether I agree with everything you say or not is superfluous. What is relevant is that I feel your heart is pure- as do I feel the same of all involved in this contentious colloquy.

        On some of your comments—I encourage you to keep in mind that we can never completely rid ourselves of the ego: The Self contains it. In addition, I think it's important to draw a clear line of delineation between organized religion and true religion. Organized/Institutional is pomp, pazazz, ritual, ceremony, dogma, persons, history, ethics, literalism; True is a way of life– True is "God". And so True can never be "dead". It is always boiling within waiting to be rediscovered.

        With regard to "abolishment"– do you like the sound of that word? How does it make you feel? It's demanding, domineering — isn't it? But the bigger point is that would this not be the equivalent of replacing one form of tyranny with another?

        Speaking of replacing you wrote that to replace religions with a Luciferian ideology would be tantamount to the same problem in a new robe. Excellent point. However, you then advocate the buddhistic meditative approach. Is this not another belief system? Is not that the original problem you highlighted?

        In addition, you wrote: "those who start building their theories around it and start to build expectations and strategies and control and bla bla bla are only dwelling away from God…"– there is something huge here. For behind thought is — awareness. Excellent observation. However, sometimes books and theories can be means to that very end. In this sense — they are useful. But if they are clung to or imprison us- they are clearly not. It has also been said that a man that can't read or write his name can attain salvation while a man with all the libraries in his head may not reach it. This is true and conveys a subtle, but I feel, important point.

        Lastly, "its a gift..just take it and be gratefull..and be thankfull..and cry and laugh and enjoy it..and bless the universe for it…thats humble"— Extremely powerful and absolutely beautiful!

        In sum, I find it intriguing that we are all speaking the language of our hearts which are pure, and yet there is also this discord and contention. I only ask everyone to remember the following quote from the movie "They Live":

        “Maybe they’ve always been with us. Those things out there. Maybe they love it. Seeing us hate each other, watching us kill each other off, feeding on our own cold (expletive) hearts.”


      • Dear Alex,

        Thank you for such an indepth analysis of my not so well organized mostly improvised comments on God, the universe and the organised religion.
        One thing you have to bear in mind concerning the organised religion is that those who are now trying to abolish it are the ones who put it in power in the first place, it is no secret that Vatican is full of secrets, some members of their high priests or even the pope are nazis, occult masters and black priests…Vatican has always had connections with the Illuminati, has always performed occult evocations of evil spirits and even opened a portal to another dimensions.
        yet at the same time these so called servants of God (who are purely devilworshippers in reality) have done nothing all these years but twist and turn the true teachings of Jesus, diform them in everyway, and turn around his message.
        Jesus came with a spiritual message to humanity…he sacrificed himself for the humanity, at the same time his sacrifice was a symbolic message 'meaning that you have to abandon your Ego if you want to find God' so in a way the path to God is a self sacrifice, you have to Die be reborn in God. but what the church has done all these years is rather the opposite…they started worshipping the image of Jesus on the cross…the very thing that he himself has sacrificed..his Ego…is now being worshipped like an Idol…the same thing happened to Buddha…he was never a Buddhist…he never stuck to any particular teaching…he turned his back on the Ego…he just sat there under the Bodhi tree and meditated…observing the thoughts as they arose and vanished…observing natural phenomena..sensual hallucinations…whatever arises…he even got tempted by Mara the demon of all illusions…but Buddha saw through all those illusions…purely with the penetrating light of his conscious awareness…yet what do we know of Buddha now?? just a statue, an idol, an empty doll….
        how come..all these great enlightened beings come to our world to spread the light…how come their message is always overturned, distorted by the ignorant masses???
        you know I am starting to think the Illuminati never really kept the knowledge secret…and if they did they overestimated the masses …cause there is no need to keep the knowledge in secret at all…even if you go around the streets screaming the message to the people…nobody cares…humans are just idiots lets face it…they que up in km long lines on a black friday just to get an xbox or a playstation…yet they dont really care about universal issues…
        thats why the spiritual path is not for many…thats why it always has been esoteric…only for those who really search for the truth…and this esoteric tradition of passing the knowledge in closed circles has existed in every religion…including Islam…they were Sufis who grew out of mainstream islam…and who passed the message in the form of poems and stories usually with animals playing the roles of vices or virtues…
        the thing is…whe a Sufi teacher would start a teaching…in a room full of students…it was sooo boring and long that students would disappear one by one….and only when 2 or 3 most devoted pupils remained did the Sufi master start his teaching….
        anyways…you were saying you felt eventhough you disagree with me on some points you still feel my message comes from a pure heart…well that's just the answer to all our questions regarding religion and god…God lives in our hearts…if we would listen to our hearts..God would live and religion would die…or to say it in otherwords…if we would truely listen to the God in our hearts..then our lives would be Godly, our words, ourselves..we would be a living religion…not a dead book, corrupted and twisted and turned, like an Msdos file full of viruses…real god lives in us…not in the vatican.
        so to me personally i think..that if the awareness of the masses rises, if we awaken more and more to our true nature, our godly inner nature, our connectedness to everything in this universe, then there will be no need for organised religion…to me they are just like cops , thought police, there is no freedom in religion only slavery. you think God is happy from seeing you go to church every sunday and pull a hypocrit face pretending you are having a good time?
        nope. God is only happy when he can express himself through you. and you are only happy when you let God express himself through you :)) thats all there is.

        as for “Maybe they’ve always been with us. Those things out there. Maybe they love it. Seeing us hate each other, watching us kill each other off, feeding on our own cold (expletive) hearts.”

        have you ever read Carlos Castaneda? the teachings of Don Juan??? give it a try…even if in the end you decide to write it off as a work of fiction …you would still have had a nice exciting book to read ))) there were 12 books in total…i read them all in 3 days ..i just couldnt stop reading…

        thanks again for your kind loving words…sincerely hope that you and i and Christina…and other people on this forum..find our way to God and God finds his way to us…God bless you all…

      • Alex vandenBerg on

        Hi Caravaggio,

        No problem. I try to read everyone's comments and apply an even hand. Just wanted to address a couple of points. You wrote:

        "even if you go around the streets screaming the message to the people…nobody cares…humans are just idiots lets face it…"

        OK, this is big. Let me first say that I hear and feel you. In fact, I might have been at one point filled with more hatred towards the "herd" than anyone else. It was insane! However, thankfully for me and others, things changed. If you would, take a look at an excerpt from a recent essay I wrote reflecting that change:

        "Eventually, this nausea will evolve into a visceral, hideous hatred. The relentless pin pricks of the petty can leave a lasting mark; knowledge is bitter-sweet. You shine and so you stick out like a sore thumb. And as the saying goes “The nail that sticks out the furthest is the first to get hit.” But don’t capitulate- don’t become the monster you claim to be fighting. Heal yourself with the light of understanding. This is the disinfectant that will eradicate the insidious infection that possesses you. Understand that it is a false sense of self, a foreign installation that mercilessly feeds off them (the herd); that who they present themselves as is not who they are. With this revelation you begin to look through the ugliness of the Ego and recognize it for what it is: an alien force. As a result, the need to forgive evaporates; hatred, like the skin of a snake, is shed. No more reacting because to do so would only increase the strength of the same malignant force within you. It would be like throwing gas on a fire.

        Once this stage of development has been attained love of the mob will be soon to follow. Eventually they will morph into a chisel that will allow you to sculpt your rough ashlar into a Perfect Stone. You will even embrace their half-hearted conciliatory overtures born by way of pity. Inexorably you will discover that everything “out there”, including the masses, are symbolic parts of yourself; that, as alluded to earlier, we only meet ourselves along the way. Your homework now is to figure out which aspect of yourself they are reflecting and correct the imbalance so as to dissolve the unconscious projections. This being the equivalent of eliminating what Levy-Bruhl refers to as participation mystique. To stray away from this would be to deprive oneself of the opportunity to grow."

        Two other points with regard to the "herd". Firstly, as I'm sure you're well aware of, everyone is on a spiritual path– whether they realize it or not. This should appeal to your affinity for shamanism– an affinity which I share. From the shamanic perspective, all persons represent points on a medicine wheel circumambulating back to the Center (God is a circle whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere). The points reflect where a person is at any given time in relation to their Spirit Self. No spot, however, is better than any other spot– just different. Therefore, all people are equal in the sense of eventually discovering their Spirit Self.

        On the other hand, there are higher and lower types. And this is as it should be. But higher is not better. Translation: the herd and the higher types are equivalent. Both are necessary.
        The rare use the herd as a foundation upon which to raise themselves to the supernal heights. For without opposition, there can be no strength. And the herd is led to higher principalities by the lead of the rare. The evolution of the species is just as dependent upon the herd as the rare. They forge together a mutually beneficial relationship even though there will always be misunderstanding and enmity between the two. In the end, without a Dragon there can be no Hero; without the herd, no Master of the Temple. For as Nietzsche noted: mankind is the means, the Overman the end.

        Last point on "the herd": to get people to change we need to stop trying to change people. Through my experience here's how we can facilitate the awakening:

        1. Change yourself

        2. Eliminate doubt and trust yourself

        3. Go your own way without looking back


        "have you ever read Carlos Castaneda? the teachings of Don Juan??? give it a try…even if in the end you decide to write it off as a work of fiction"

        I made reference to Castaneda in the article "The War Behind All Wars". I too read all of them. Although I'm a little jealous you completed them in such an expeditious manner! It took me a lot longer to get though them! Anyway, those books changed my life. To this day I think they are some of the best, if not the best, books I have ever read. And I would never dream of writing them off as fiction…

        In sum, thank YOU Caravaggio for your kindness. And as noted above, we all will find it– whether we want to or not. Individuation is an unconscious irrational life process. And God bless you.


      • Alex vandenBerg on

        Hi Caravaggio,

        Just wrote a long response to you (probably too long). Hope it gets posted. But if not, I just wanted to say thank YOU for your kind words and loving devotion to the truth. I wrote a lot in reference to the "herd" and other tantalizing tidbits but I'm too tired now to write it again and break it up. Anyway, you mentioned Castaneda. I referenced him in the article "The War Behind All Wars". I too read all the books though not as fast as you (I'm a little jealous)! Bottom line: those books changed my life. Period. They are some of the best, if not the best books, I have ever read. I use them in a lot of my work. They have helped me immensely.

        Thanks again and we'll touch base again soon.


    • Ian Castillo on

      Yea wasn't it said and encouraged by the founding fathers of USA that it is necessary for revolution every so often. Why not break tradition and really question stuff. Change it up. Maybe the power the people hold is like the ring in LOTR. can't give it up. The religious people in charge are just ppl after all. They have their own agendas just as everyone else

    • Actually Revelation prophesies that this exact thing will happen. The beast (governments and those behind them) will attack and destroy the Harlot (false religion), bringing on the great tribulation. Armegeddon happens when God steps in to protect his faithful followers from the demonic forces behind the government's, and establishes his Kingdom.

  12. Raquel Pessamilio on

    Really amazing interpretation of the film. I remember when I saw the movie, they talked clearly about Occult Science.

  13. I did not see 6s in 6's scroll, but the picture is a stylized triquetra and pentagram. It is customary for Wiccans to place candles each of the five points of a pentagram during their ceremonies, and consequently, the picture of the bon fire at the end could also be showing a stylized version of that concept.

    Could it be that the movie is saying we are currently in the Age of Horus/a new Renaissance since the historical Renaissance saw a resurgence in culture, science, and medicine (and was the age Paracelsus lived) and came right after the Medieval period, a time when the Catholic church dominated everything.

    It is interesting to me also, that the scientist who created the dolls died, i.e. "God is dead". Nietzsche, the author who wrote that, was also a German author and philosopher like Goethe. Nietzsche was famous for, among other things, writing about the "Ubermensch" ("super man"), the perfect human. Check out his book, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".

    "Rango" is another Tim Burton animated film that has a lot of esoteric references as well.

    • And you may also notice the talisman's drawing also look like a triskelion. It's a ancient Celtic symbol that symbolizes trinities.

      We are a race of trinities.

      Childhood, Adulthood, Elderhood.
      Maiden,Mother, Crone.
      Vishnu, Brahma, and Shiva.
      Jesus, Holy Spirit and God.

      There are so many trinities, and these are a few examples.

      Have you ever realized that 9's rejection of 1's rule may be an allusion to the rejection of autocratic theocracy, and how meaning is dictated by religious authorities, and the rest following blindly?

      Herd mentality is a hard thing to break away from, but I've always thought that many religious people follow their leader without understanding the consequences it may wreak on them. And this lead them to join dangerous, charismatic people who trap them like wolves traps sheep.

      Just my own little thoughts on 9

  14. That is not 2 that is 5 with the one eye missing. 2 was the first doll 9 ran into in the beginning of the movie is the inventor and kind open minded one….. 9 showed him how to light the electric torch. Now, the survivors of the store are 9+7+4+3 which equal 23. Is there anything to this number as well??

    • Some believe a lot of events are directly connected to the number 23. They call it the 23 enigma. Others say it's silly superstition, coincidence or if you look for something hard enough you'll eventually see it. Lots of interesting facts surrounding the number 23. VC should do a topic on that if they already haven't. Remember that movie a long time ago with Jim Carrey, called the Number 23? Its also an occult number 2÷3 = .666

      • Wow thank you for shedding light on my question. Very interesting i will look more into the 23 enigma :) I do remember that Jam Carey Movie, but did not finish it.

      • It's also the no. of chromesomes when divided to become a new cell. I.e. 46 in a complete cell. The occult world sees it to do with evolving into the next phase, as in the age of Horus. Like in Genesis 6 when the sons of God- the demon spirits- mated with the daughters of men to produce god-like offspring .the mythical gods. Just what VC says the movie is about, mankind evolving thought secret imparted knowledge into the age of Horus, also called lucifer, the fallen angel who rebelled against God and was chucked out of heaven. And as satan lied to Eve in the garden of Eden, "Ye shall be as gods". It's a con job, don't believe it for a minute. You can be as God ONLY by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. It is the freegift of God to ALL who believe.Someone is coming soon who will offer potential god hood if you will just take this little mark on your forehead or right hand. This little mark will somehow combine with your DNA. This is why so much media time and money is being spent on 666 and other occult imagery, it's called preconditioning. The process is almost complete. Run for your lives – run to Jesus the only Saviour.

  15. Gods? Maybe this is the meaning of it:
    Regenerative medicine, cloning, cyborgs, robots, "children" farming etc. They all on the way.

    Why relgions fall? Perhaps this:
    Yes, of course it is because of scientific advances. Religion will dissapear, truth will take over. Christianity will become less and less religious. Same thing will happen with Islam. People will begin to realize that scriptures such as Quran and perhaps Gospel contain many metaphors — but not all of them are accepted as metaphors. Some of them are:
    Demons = selfish desires, negative emotions etc.
    Angels = God's laws in nature.
    Soul = ego/"self".
    Hell — not a place where people will just burn or dwell eternally.
    People will stop praying and realize that they actually should have just followed God's laws with understanding written in their scriptures in order to succed in their lives and establish Paradise on Earth.
    So why did God use metaphorps? Perhaps because you can't exactly describe e.g. what paradise and hell are.
    I think believe in God, afterlife and permament values will be the end products of todays big religions.

    • hmm…I'm afraid I have to totally disagree with what you just said. In the Bible, there's a story where Jesus exorcised demons from a man and put them in pigs nearby. And then the pigs drowned themselves. How is that a metaphor for selfish desires/negative emotions? Are pigs even complex enough to have negative emotions? That's only one example but I'm sure I can find others to prove your theory false according to Christianity.
      Oh yeah, and when the Bible says that Lucifer was once an angel. So he was a law? Sorry, it doesn't add up.

      • Dear Terri,

        I want to note that Bible must be corrupted because it contains unscientific statements. How do you know which statements are man-made and which are not? Maybe those statements you mentioned could be fabricated and maybe somewhere else in Bible you could find metaphoric statements. In addition, what good would it make to believe in exorcism if you can't use it or prove it?


  16. I completely missed this all in the movie; probably because it wasn't of interest to me in the first place. But after reading this article, I've realized I should of paid attention. This was an interesting read and very thought provoking. Well done, V.C.! It's a shame that we really can't watch movies, shows, cartoons, without worry of some sort of reference to occults. Another reason why I'm choosing to not have children.

  17. Taylor Martinez on

    Wow great job VC! I have never even heard of this movie, but all of Tim buttons movies and movies like his freak me out…and always have. Especially Coraline…the only one that I was ok with was Corpse bride, but even then…. I'm sure there are esoteric messages in all of his movies…hope you can feature others! I also hope to e reading another article from you very soon!

  18. The New Age seems to be the New World Religion for the future. The Elite frontmen H.G Wells prophecised the coming New world religion. Wells was an elite frontmen and predicted many things.

  19. And to think, my step Dad actually worked on the mechanical frame for the "stay puffed" marsh mellow man… Great article VC. Keep um comin'.

  20. V C — hits the Nail on the head again . This movie has the same message as the will smith movie — after earth—–Tom cruise —- oblivion — some people prefer the devil , complete darkness , evil . This is one more way to , subtle way to lead people to think we are To claim or god hood . Just what lucifer told Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden . Eat from the tree of knowledge and become like the most high —God the Father — read the holy bible , pray the rosary , and you will find the way to eternal life—- Jesus Christ — is King of Kings —Merry Christmas

    • focusedpurpose on

      Messiah reigns!!!

      this post seems to advocate the dark defeated lucifer/satan side;(

      your occult knowledge is fascinating;) there's always an upside.

      do you think you will ever look closer at Kim Kardashion 2013 holiday card?

      • focusedpurpose on

        worshipping/following defeated lucifer IS a religion. a practice if you will. why do people not see that?

        with the KK holiday card, i mean specifically, if you will address the Blessed Blacks depicted in the ancient scenes?

        has anyone ever told you your site is quite triggering?

        keep up the great work.

    • No. You didn't read the Bible properly.
      God wasn't against Satan nor was Satan is to him.
      Satan was against humanity, making him fall from from his status. And it is impossible for God to hate because Satan is the image of hate. There is no competition. There is no winner. No loser.

      • But Lucifer kind of hated God, because he wanted to be worshipped like God and take his throne I guess. But yes this is no competition/war.

  21. For all that don't know, one of the main goals of the "elite" is to blend all races and cultures into one (permanently destroying them). Just though you should know.

      • Perhaps the point he was trying to make was along the same lines as that made by David Icke except that it came out sounding KKK. In any case, the point is a bit redundant to the extent that most people are mixed in some way. Most people I know in Anglo-US have some kind of mix thrown in, even if it is not visually obvious. Some we have say, the third generation of mixed people breeding with other mixed people producing many different permutations and combinations – more than you could ever keep up with. Nothing can stop that ball rolling.
        All I'd say is that I was married to a definitely "un-mixed" blue-eyed, blond haired Aryan – a proper WASP. They have doors flung open for them everywhere they go and there credibility is always assumed rather than earned. Behind closed doors, he could be shockingly and disgustingly fascist but on the surface he was the loveliest, personable charmer imaginable so I could never actually confide in others about his dreadful behavior as they would never have believed it. I would never marry another WASP. Ever.
        They might want to turn the sheeple into a big, inter racial melting pot but they don't actually mix their own bloodlines as far as they can avoid it.

      • I mostly agree with what you have stated, but some of the top 'elite' families have married persons from Africa and Asia. For example, Winston Lord, one of the Lictenstein princes, a Hapsburg prince married a Sudanese woman, one of the Queen E2's close cousins married a Nigerian and a Belgium prince married a half Asian woman. These are royals who rank higher than the WASPs of America.

        Also, race is a modern social construct created to support white supremacy. Human is human. Therefore, we can mixed free with no problem as all races are descendants of Noah and his three sons. But if you mate a human with an animal, there is no reproduction because the genetic material doesn't match.

        With that said, who cares about all this meaningless bloodline hierarchy and race mixing. When you really understand and know how the world is really organized and know why certain families rule, you are da*m happy to not be a part of it and to have a truly clean genetic line.

      • Yes, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule, honestly and usually relates to having been fully immersed in other cultures for long periods of time. I can assure you that in most cases, they would have a world full of beautiful fair-skinned people if they were given the choice with regular, not-too-long breaks to 'exotic' places like Anguilla from which they come away with no better cultural understanding.
        For example, yesterday, I observed my exH at length, treating staff at a sushi restaurant as though they were sub-human – a kind of pitiful affection you would reserve for a rescue pet.

  22. Thanks V.C. for shedding light on what the elites are slipping to the sheeple in guise of entertainment. I am no fan of Crowley, but in the last quote of his describing the current state of Western culture, I am in agreement with him.

  23. It makes sense that we are in the transitional age of Horus (The childish age) Notice how the system we live in is based on managing us like children. Most of us are kept in prepetual childhood through the global fabian socialist agenda. It is showing in many differnent ways. We are in the age of "experts" who give us our topics to discuss. Keep playing and dont ask questions children. Lets the experts rule you.

  24. We are well aware that there is 666, supposedly the "mark of the beast". The beast in its essence has not been revealed. If you think it has, then you are being sold the same ancient hoary stories over and over until you believe them.

    6 is the only single digit number that can be flipped and still be a number. The 3 factors of man's existence – material, conscious and spirit are all still at that beast level, or not of God. Flip the switch, and those three factors become 999, or above beast, and therefore self governing, self aware, and self blessed.

    Total conjecture, I know. My mind is plastic and ever seeking new answers.

    If yours is calcified, and petrified, and you want to wax ad nausea about your hotel book and bearded blue eyed white guy on the sticks, stow it; I've been there, I've read it, I've seen it, I've heard it. Nothing you offer can ever possibly be proven as truth or fact, outside of your insistent belief. Nothing on paper is real. Paper is dead.

    • Chewy bees, – Jesus admitted Satan's predominance in all the kingdoms of This. Earth by thrice calling him '"prince of this world" in – John X Ii , 31 Xiv 30, XVI 11.
      Google padre pio and continue to read the bible , Peace

    • Flip the 3 and it's still a 3, flip 1, flip 8, flip 0 (debatable as a proper number, yet can't live without it in the sequence, so…).

      Maybe, ChewyBees, your mind really is plastic, as in its physical properties.

      Have you actually read the Bible? I mean really read it, with your eyes and your brain not plastic-read it. Somehow your belittling of paper makes me think you haven't?

      I'm just fooling around. Hope you do read the Bible. It's a great book (and mainly made of paper).

    • Reality check:

      The elites have it right, we are very, very stupid and gullible sheeple, most of us anyway, and it's folly of the worst kind to assume that any reader of this or similar sites actually knows anything about the occult, magic, dvinity, spirits and elites and their plans. We don't really "know" anything; "they" don't allow it.

      If the future beings that replaces us are better than the Homo Ignoramus, then i'd just call it evolution or something. Because i don't see any hope for us, we will never know the secrets of the elite, magic, occult, divine realms (assuming there is any, which i doubt), and enlightenment, if you want to call it that, no matter how much we might wish otherwise.

      "My people will perish for the lack of knowledge".

      How painfully accurate.

  25. This movie seems to be very much connected to numerology and is truly sending kids or ignorant enemies wrong message about the number 9. In numerology, 9 represents cattle like mindset, the feeling that one needs to follow the society without questioning the decisions that elite group takes for him. In other words, there is power in being a sheeple because it allows people to stay "united culturally". Number 1 is taken as most powerful. Someone who gets it through his name or birth has potential to become an inventor, leader and most influencial. Kabalists believe such a person is individualistic, brave and can fight the injustice in the system patiently. I guess thats why they want their enemies to hate the number. 1 is said to have the power to take advantage of the law of the universe in a good way.

    By the way, did anyone read the article "Android founder Andy Rubin's secret Google project: building real robots"? Looks like they are thinking of replacing human workers with "efficient" moving tins.

  26. This movie was a brilliant simplified timeline of humanity and the birth of its death, due to man wanting to be his own God, ruled by pride, greed, and other animal appetites. Everything we do comes down to a very basic drive or desire. We deny it because its embarrassing, to be subject to such common persuasions, but its true nonetheless. We want what we want, from food and love and sex, to obsessions, perversions, and compulsions. We are equal with all, just varied ambitions and appetites, ….basics. Hormones and Egos-we have ours and our ancestors and destroyers have theirs. We have our opportunities and ideas as did they. Its disgusting tho. Half the planet is dead, and been sucking the rest dry to survive, when we have the most debt but also the most resources??? but our citizens charged more for natural food than fast food???
    Generations killing those who speak against them. Hierarchy of Mobsters…..if you're the guys telling it right you're still gonna stay in your box, compromise, or die>>>>>SELF DESTRUCT IN T- how many seconds
    ….too bad there isn't a like button for the above comments. I adore the evolution of human awareness and thought. ive observed myself and others for as long as I can remember. I've investigated religions and government and illuminati. I've looked into alchemy and its roots, as well as the roots of the illuminati in alchemy, the British, Greek, and Italian governments. The Catholic Church and their dominion…..the industrial revolution and America giving birth to a land of creating a demand and creating a supply……the lethal art of consumerism, our perversion of capitalism. **
    ** I say all this to say that I see love as a little bit of God in each of us, seeking itself or Himself, everywhere.**

  27. hothouseflower on

    Fascinating! If only more people were aware how prevalent occultism is in all of the 'entertain' that's put out. Turn off the TV, radio, skip the movies, and avoid pop culture related internet sites, and be prepared to wake up and have a clear mind.

  28. And maybe the machines that kill man in the movie are representing TV's and computers and android phones slowly killing humanity?

    • He may have meant radio waves which are wireless. There was also the wireless telegraph in those days which was commonly known as "the wireless".

    • My grandfather used to go on about it a lot apparently. It had some other great significance but I can't remember because he died when I was two. That and the green and gold tins of tobacco is all I can remember about him in this side of his life.

  29. You know, just for once, it would be great if one of the actually powerful and important people would make an public appearance, and talk about the elites goals and their plans for humanity. I mean, these people have a complete control over the governments, militaries, religions, intelligence agencies/community and pretty much everything else, so there's nothing we could do about it anyway.

    Even if we live in an tyranny (we DO), i'd appreciate if the tyrants themselves were at least visible, instead of hiding behind their public mouthpieces.

    For example, Stalin was pretty much an textbook example of a tyrant, and he was not exactly evadind the publicity. So why are the real elites so afraid to come out? Are they that spineless and cowardly?

    • Staying the shadows has created doubt and Confusion about their existence. Even now, Truthfully, we don't have a 100% proof of their current existence. Declaring their presence might have provoked open rebellion.

  30. VC, when did you learn all what you know? I want some of that.

    I didn't watch this movie when it was screened because I thought it was a silly, boring movie. Guess what I am watching tonight…

      • No, I guess I can find it on Netflix or Crackle.

        I'm definitely NOT into movies… it's not my thing, but I like to watch movies after I read VC's analysis on them. It makes it more interesting to watch and see all the occult elements once you know where they are.

        I did that with 2012, Eyes Wide Shut and now it's time for 9 :-)

  31. Very interesting writeup. I've not seen this film, nor do I want to, but it sounds like a typical Tim Burton movie. It has so many elements and themes that have been done before, hashed and re-hashed over and over again:

    Post-apocalyptic setting
    Good guys vs. powerful bad guys
    Rules vs. freedom
    A few characters die

    Goes to show you how pervasive and repetitive Hollywood's "programming" can be. It's almost tiresome, but it's important not to become desensitized or susceptible to it.

    If it's any consolation, at least we're halfway done with the Age of Horus….

    • 100 is not half of 2000. Also 3 of the 5 things you listed don't occur in any of Tim Burton's movies at all. Ever. The other 2 occur in every movie ever made. This is silly.

      • Not dumb, but I tend to get ahead of myself sometimes! My bad. OK, so we are in the *earlier* stages of the Age of Horus, but only IF you believe in that. Much has been written about the times in which we live, but we have the choice to take it as "gospel" or as individual tidbits of subjective information. Throughout time, narrative stories have guided our worldview, whether those stories were written by Matthew, Mark, A. Crowley, T. Burton, or anyone who impacts culture and gets a lot of press. How seriously we take those words, and how or if we act on them, depends on each of us. The beauty of it all is that, just like the aforementioned writers/scribes (some may even call them shills depending on POV), WE too have the power to write and rewrite and act and re-enact our individual and collective stories. Cheers!

  32. I am very glad there are people with such wisdom as shown on this site and that they are able to connect it in such a way it makes a lot of things clear. Even with some knowledge of occult and so called history of the world it is uhmm enlightning.
    It seems to become harder and harder to find 'neutral art'. I mean without hidden agenda's, be it masonic or heavily organized religions, just for the sake of art, making the viewer think about stuff, or beauty or entertainment. Has there ever been such a thing, or is my imagination fading in and out of focus.?.

  33. Religion is no better than the elite. Both are evil, both have their own agendas, both create war and suffering yet, I bet I will be the one that is accused of being a sheep or not awake to this stuff. We all need to wake up and realise that no one will save us but ourselves!

  34. Stating the obvious on

    There is only one thing more farcical than occultism, and that is religion. The old two sides paradigm that is used to divide and conquer. Good vs evil, Democrat vs Republican, et al.

    It's quite juvenile.

    • Occult belief IS religious belief. Do you think the term religion only refers to Christianity? Atheism is a religion, too. Anything that informs or describes a person's worldview is their religion. And just to state the obvious– since occultists masquerading as acceptable religious figures have dominated the direction of public policy in the world since time immemorial, perhaps the only farce here is that you continue to think that Democrats and Republicans are our biggest problems. Whether you believe in the occult or not is irrelevant. Powerful people DO, and they control many aspects of our lives. They seek more control every day. Thinking anything else is juvenile.

  35. Nice article! Reading your analysis, almost instantly I had to think of the Major Arcana of a Tarot deck (which traditionally is used for divination, but its design in itself is based on western mystery school(s)). With most of the ragdoll characters, the parallels to their Tarot counterparts are more or less subtle, but they are especially blatant (up to the visuals) with the main character; just compare the movie's poster with the 9th trump of the Tarot (
    For me yet another clear indication that in the movie, there's a hidden ("occult") story behind the story… and by whom it's told.

  36. Great review. But I just want to say that, to the best of my knowledge, in the East, the philosophy of God being inside is common and not evil or occult or magick or whatever. At least, this used to be the case. In the West, the belief that God is outside yourself is deeply ingrained in the fabric of society, and because of dogma (religion) any other notion is considered "evil".

    If you are religious, that is fine, but it is your duty to grow and to evolve by your own volition. You owe it to yourself. Find out more about the history of religions in the West. As you read and learn, do not quench (as in extinguish) your inquisitive mind. You may encounter stuff that contradicts your beliefs, but look at it this way: If you're faith is strong enough, you'll be fine.

    I underwent this process, and my faith was strong enough, until it wasn't. Now I'm on my personal alchemical path.

    • I don't think Jesus was saying God is without.
      "The body is the temple of the Lord"
      "The Kingdom of God is Within"
      Maybe it got all twisted down the line like at at the Council of Nicea or something…

  37. Part 2 – Continuation

    And… since we're doing math, go back to what I said above and add… GOOD + GOOD = ….GOOD? Good x Good = Good too. So if Jesus says only GOD is GOOD and identifies HIMSELF as the GOOD SHEPHERD, he's CLEARLY saying He's GOD.

    But again, you apparently believe that God would give His glory to a normal human being – giving them, again, as I pointed out, the ability to forgive sins, provide man with everlasting life AND bridge the gap between man and the Father (something only God would be capable of), feel free to continue on in your ignorance.

    You talk many high and might words about what you believe I do and don't do, but sadly end up being the hypocrite when your own comments overlook Scriptural details in verses you quote. What respect you have, for the Word of God when even your direct quotations don't match with the right verses. :/

    My heart aches for you…because you just don't get it and refuse to see it. I pray the Lord eventually removes the scales from your eyes because you're right… it honestly ISN'T (and shouldn't be, for those who love the Lord) that complicated.

      • I don't doubt that all of the holy books published by large companies have been subject to manipulation to varying degrees. Even the omission or addition of a line or a single word can drastically alter meaning. Only recently have a small minority of people been pedantic enough to try and unravel it. Anyone noticing anything untoward in the past would probably have been six feet under before they spread the word.

  38. pff the root of all evil is narrow mindedness…cant you see?? that any religion? be that luciferian or catholic or islamic or whatever is doing the same thing? uniformization of your thinking…did it ever occur to you that the only reason why religion and state work together the only reason why church exists? is to shape order out of chaos?? be that illuminati or vatican or mekka or buddha..they all just do one thing to your brain..shape a certain pattern of thinking..why cant you just be a free thinker?? why is it so hard to be a free thinker??? i will tell you why…because of the herd mentality…because deep down inside you are all sheep…and you just wanna belong to a group…no matter what that group stands for…as long as you belong somewhere..and you will die to defend the habitual patterns of your ritualistic traditions…because you are so addicted to them will just feel lost ..suddenly in a big wide horizon oppening in front of you…

    • Good Lord, you're a fascist bossy little thing, aren't ya?

      Oh, you may want to work on the construction of complete sentences, punctuation, etc., if you actually intend to dominate the world.

      Oh, and it's spelled "mecca", not "mekka".

      Good luck, budding dictator.

    • But I have NEVER belonged to a religious group . Ever. I have never even felt that kind of belonging whether religiously or socially or ethnically. I have explored anything and everything but I have still always believed there is a right way, a moral way and I have always believed in God. Given the doubts surrounding recordings and drafting of the key holy documents, you should actually treat them as working copies and absolutely extract the truth thereof in order to formulate the blueprint for your own life.

      • More reading and understanding and less pontificating. Read the obviously good stuff as well as the bad stuff because you wont be sure what is bad until you explore the occult philosophies and reading is about figuring things out, not blind adherence.

      • Probably Morals & Dogma. The problem is that every time you read one, you lose the fear and innocence and moral absolutism. In every one of those books, there are elements which make sense when you don't really want them too and coherency where you would rather see the reverse. Once you demystify Satan INC, your original faith cannot remain unaltered by what you read. It is a faustian pact.

  39. When it comes to esoteric material, you could start a whole website on the works of Tim Burton alone! Literally EVERYTHING this man has done contains some element of Masonry or Illuminati symbolism. At this point, I find it impossible to watch his movies at face value.

    • Right. He is a magician. He has so many unusual erm. objects in his home that his wife has to live in the house next door and get his permission to open the hole in the dividing wall to allow his children into 'his house'. Even then, many rooms are out of access.

      • And he is one of many in the British film industry who have esoteric affiliations. Your basic premise should be just that.

      • This is rather interesting.. do you have any links that present this information? I'm curious to see what.

      • MakeMyOwnMovies on

        REALLY??? Like Kakumei, I'd love to see your info on that. It sure would explain my extremely long time suspicions of him.

  40. Are the dolls supposed to represent the creation of mk ultra monarchs? The Catholic religion and the Vatican has been infiltrated by evil, but how does this make Luciferian religion better? They want a one world religion, but where do they get to decide what that religion will be? How does the creation of monarch slaves give us Luciferian power to the self? The NWO does not give us power, as Promethius gave fire and knowledge to man. It just turns us into a bunch of mind controlled dolls.
    I also get the impression that in order to get funding to make a movie, you have to have a script with symbols to help bring in the Luciferian NWO.

  41. The elite want to rid the world of " traditional antiquated" Christianity. Yet their religion is REALLY antiquated, going back to Egypt and Babylon. Talk about antiquated! I can't believe these masons still believe in these old barbaric religions with no scientific basis. Since when does an animal or human sacrifice give you more power? It gives you no power.There is nothing scientific about this! They just waste lives.

    • All power comes from transmuting one form of energy into another. Gasoline is burned to give your car engine power. Food is burned (heated), thermally on the stove and chemically in your body, to give your body power. These are examples of "sacrificing" a substance to derive power.

      The ultimate goal of the Elites is to globally mainstream human (child) sacrifice to gain the power of biological immortality. Despite all of their money and worldly possessions, living forever still evades them. The Elites view themselves as gods, but are not the gods immortal? The Elites see this as the greatest crime.

      As above so below. A thousand points of light. Heard of those sayings? That is the Elite vision for our world. Like the night sky they will see the world shrouded in darkness, save for a thousand points of light. Up in the sky these are the stars. Sources of life, burning brightly like oasis in the black sea for eternity. On Earth these lights will be the sacrificial ovens burning our children to the Elite's god Moloch forever.

      How does burning children lead to biological immortalty? I don't know, but it is a form alchemy. Distilling their tortured bodies into higher dimensional (5D?) radioactive energy, perhaps? Like uranium is put through centrifuges to distill it into a purer form that power can be derived.

      • If this is the TRUE meaning for their appalling actions, and it HASN'T given them biological immortality yet, they should give it up and try to use this "alchemy" for other more constructive purposes. Whether or not they are "different" from the "rest of us," they need to face the fact that we're ALL going to die, and NONE of us have the right to determine when that will be for someone else.

    • Yeah, and the whore of Babylon (Semiramis) was a lying whore who cheated on her husband and had him killed. Then she falsely claimed her and her child as divine.

    • Alex vandenBerg on

      Those murals are truly terrifying. Because you know they are part and parcel of their sick little game plan. The horse with red eyes out front is just icing on the cake.

    • Check out VC's article (if you haven't already) in the sinister sites section on the Denver airport murals. Excellent read!

  42. The image found in the book of Peracelsus is based on a woodcut illustration by Albrecht Durer, a german painter, mathematician, etc. in his Four Books on Measurement (search for Underweysung der Messung). There are several of these and they are part of a discussion on perspective drawings. The one in "9" has been manipulated, of course, but the connection is unmistakable.

  43. Modern Prophet on

    This movie, from a biblical interpretation, is about the tribulation period after the believers in Christ have been gathered up together in the air. During this time, the lights of the world have been risen, leaving only darkness upon the earth. (The believers never suffer through the age of tribulation on earth). This is when the antiChrist (#9 in the movie) will finally come into manifestation. This person, who is the devil in full manifestation in the flesh (complete opposition to Jesus Christ, the son of God who 'always did the will of the Father'). This person is suppose to overthrow the remaining traditions of religion upon the earth, and produce lying signs, wonders, and miracles, to the point where people worship him. There will be people remaining on earth who were not part of the gathering of believers, who will be saved in the time of tribulation, but all of these people will have to die first (think of dolls 1, 2, 5, and 8 giving up their souls). This is known in Revelation as the blood of the martyrs.

    • Remember the cartoon Mighty Mouse?
      There would be some calamity like a flood, or the cats coming to kill the mice in or some form of tribulation, some threat to all the other mice. Then comes Mighty Mouse, flying down from the heavens to save the day!
      Matrix had Neo.

  44. There is also another reason why the Elites chose the number 1 to represent the antagonistic portrayal of religion as evil and selfish. In fact, the number 1 in the movie not only represents religion but also God Almighty. If we look back to the Abrahamic religious scriptures, we know that there is only ONE God:

    "Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God! The Lord is One!" [Deuteronomy 6:4]

    And also in Islam, Muslims also hold to strict monotheism and associating equals to God is one of the biggest sins, if not, the biggest.

    "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him. [Al-Quran 112:1-4]

    In conclusion, these Elites are not just trying to constrict American freedom (which is kinda petty if you ask me) but more seriously, they are actually trying to wage against God and His faithful believers. These Elites may say to you that they want nothing but peace and freedom but what kind of peace and freedom are they asking for? The unnerving silent peace of the dead and broken? The freedom to indulge in evil sins and vices? All this time, the reason why God Almighty gave all of us free will, the ability to do good or to do evil, is to prove ourselves to our Lord that we can resist evil and choose the path of righteousness, to atone for our wrongdoings. To come back to Him. God gave you the ability to do whatever you want and He has never compelled any of you to His Divine Will and Rule so don't ever say that God is an evil, selfish monarch or that He is unfair. Such thoughts are only whisperings of Satan, the accursed, and Satan only wishes you to despair and rebel against God like the same way he did. So don't think it is too late because it is never too late. We can still get to come back and seek refuge with God, the Lord Almighty. We can still choose to do good.

  45. Great analysis, VC. As usual.

    But i just wanna say one thing. I think VC knows that, religion as we know it nowadays [and for too long now] is a scam. Western religions are about money, power and control. Of course we know that, right? Religion is used as a branch of secret societies, an instrument to control the masses by the occult elite. The symbolism used in religion have occult patterns, carry hidden hermetic knowledge – concealed from the eyes of the common men.

    Religion is business and power accumulation, nothing more. We must not mistake RELIGION with RELIGIOSITY. Two things diametrically opposite. If you use religion in a positive way, if it serves you well, good! It's because you are good, you are righteous – it independs of religion. It's your conciousness. Religion [as we know it] isn't what is preached. Get informed, knowledge is everywhere.

    A system can't be good if it has masters and servants. It can't be good if struck fear. Simply doesn't work in that way. Is that simple. Think about it.

  46. One thing VC missed is the Occult numbering that 1,2,5,8 = 16 were released by fire and the four remaining are
    9,7,3,4 = 23. Here we have a total of 39 or 13+13+13 =39 But where is '6'? again another significant occult number.

    Purged by fire relates to the sun 864/16 = 54 or 9 x 6. The protector and the '9" and after bonfire 7 asks 9 what happens next? Well 9+7 =16 the same number as the souls purged, so 16 is resurrected.

    Hidden with in the numbers of 9x7x3x4 = 756 (is the Base of the Great Pyramid in feet) the 4 bringing in the new age as the uncapped Pyramid.

    Numbers 1 thru' to 9 multiplied = 362880÷756 = 480 (within 1 foot of the notional height of the GP)

    362880÷(purged souls1x2x5x8) =4536 ÷ 6 the protector = back to 756.

    • As above, so below :

      ''..Other Notable Characters…
      6 is a visionary obsessed with a symbol that turns out to be the talisman needed to save the dolls. If you look closely at 6′s sketches, you might notice that they contain three 6s….''

  47. If the scientist infused his soul into all of the dolls, how is it that different souls came out of the dolls?? This scientist had 9 different souls?????? I gotta see this movie to understamd this more! Sorry I keep posting..I can't seem to edit my own comments and elongate it..

  48. Thanks vc tim burtons weird anyway…I wonder if the dajjal is here in person or in hiding I am sure he is here for them all to praise n glorify the one eyed devil monster.

  49. I gave you almost 2 days and that's the best you could come up with, not to mention no one else came up with anything either. Omg " Good is God X 1+1x 1 " * falls out* it's not that complicated for Christ sake !

    Honestly I don't know where to begin to respond. All I asked for was what was your claim based on to begin with and for one simple verse and you couldn't . You'd be surprised how simple things really are. With that being said I rest my case ! I'll try back in a week !

    • Its sad you going off into videos and whatnot confusing yourself and others when the word of God is all you need. Even he says don't buy into that other bull smh ! You tried though !

      • I agree with a lot of that but would point out once again that unitarian christians do not believe in the Trinity

      • To Riy:

        "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." (2nd Corinthians 5:19) I repeat, God was in Christ. Meaning God entered the human body. To bring us back to him. Pretty self explanatory. Open up your eyes.

      • Chrstmanservant on

        i have read most of these comments that you've made in this debate with "unplugged" and you are mighty arrogant to be in a position in which you have not proven your point. i want no parts of this debate because you seem to be less interested in the truth than you are for arguing that you are right. ( My post wont change that im certain) but your comments/views and opinions are blasphemous at best. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they should be supported with clear and precise contextual reasonings and proof for these beliefs. in a court of law, this presentation would not have succeeded. the premise of the logic is terrible, and a lack of proof (scripture) for the idea presented does no favors for the argument either. you need more than one or two scriptures to present the idea as the resounding truth for a book that spans more that 4 thousand years (bible). most of your argument is based in mockery and opinionated verbiage and not contextual proof. i desperately hope that you will commit to more objective profound study of this topic before making these types of accusations. There should be more proof from the old and new testament esp. the prophets concerning the theme of argument, and also hebrew word studies on the original semantics of the text for example "Immanuel" meaning God with us from the Old Testament embodied in Jesus. Israel awaited a "Mashiach Nagid" who they knew was God's reigning redeemer (see the entire book of Ruth) etc. The view that you hold is inconsistent with the over all message of the Scriptures and the patterns of the jewish scriptures. If you want to present your case as truth you need more than taunting words of opinion. you need proof from scripture first, and then religious and cultural aspects should be able to support. In essence, ask God for the Holy Spirit to guide your understanding of His Word. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" Jesus is Lord. second, repent for the blasphemous views of Yeshua HaMashiach. also, i noticed that you made a mathematical argument of 1+ 1 = 2 is always true…as in relation to the Godhead. the burden of proof is upon you as Jesus in resurrected body has proven that the laws of physics are different in other dimensions. According to the Scripture, Jesus defied death, walked through walls with a physical body, changed His physical appearance, appeared and disappeared at will in this physical body, levitated etc. In the realm in which Jesus now operates, we have been given ample information that the laws and dimensions and furthermore mathematics are seemingly different. You would need to prove that the math has remained the same in that realm……btw physics, mass, dimensions, math are all interwoven. likely that when one of any of these change then the entire equation has changed. (p.s. please do not respond to this post with more blasphemous opinions….supported truth only please as you will not receive a response. Thank You. Peace and Blessings.)

  50. Very good article on the occult meaning behind this movie. Its all on the suffice for those who choose to look.

  51. Where have i been? Ive never even heard of this movie. I find a lot of these so called children movies to be odd and adult like with a deeper meaning.

  52. "Despite others' attempts to identify a certain number with Satan, it will be known that 9 is his number. Nine is the number of the ego for it always returns to itself. No matter what is done through the most complex multiplication of 9 by any other number, in the end, 9 alone will stand forth."

    -Anton LeVay
    Founder and High Priest of The Church of Satan
    from his book on Satanic Rituals.

    When ego (9) is added,
    nothing changes
    1+9=10 (1+0=1)
    2+9=11 (1+1=2)
    3+9=12 (1+2=3)
    4+9=13 (1+3=4)
    5+9=14 (1+4=5)
    6+9=15 (1+5=6)
    7+9=16 (1+6=7)
    8+9=17 (1+7=8)
    9+9=18 (1+8=9)

    When ego multiplies,
    more ego is made.
    2×9=18 (1+8=9)
    3×9=27 (2+7=9)
    4×9=36 (3+6=9)
    5×9=45 (4+5=9)
    6×9=54 (5+4=9)
    7×9=63 (6+3=9)
    8×9=72 (7+2=9)
    9×9=81 (8+1=9)

  53. *The Ennead – a group of nine deities in Egyptian mythology.

    *The N9NE Group – is a partnership that owns and operates restaurants and nightclubs at the Palms Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, and formerly in Chicago and Dallas.

    *itunes, ipad, ipod etc. Consider that the 9th letter in the alphabet is I, again, representative of The Self. 666 reduces to 9 (6+6+6=18 and 1+8=9)

    *The magic square using the first nine numbers is associated to the planet Saturn and always has the sum of 15(up, down, across, diagonally). Sometimes, it is also called the square of Solomon.

    4 9 2
    3 5 7
    8 1 6

  54. Thank you for sharing the deeper esoteric meanings inside a movie that I love. It's nice to know that the age of horus is here and we will all be renewed and awakened. No one can stop the occult elite so you can only follow the teachings of knowledge.

  55. The Beatles : another esoteric band pretending to be happy go lucky liverpudlian reptilians are actually evil monsters and i am not talking about Paul Mccartney who died in 66 in a carcrash and got replaced by a canadian cop who still rocks to this day…but i am talking about their song number 9….and it goes like this: number 9, number 9, number 9…and when you play it backwards it says turn me on dead man

    • I put the vinyl record on a turntable, played it backwards and sure enough it definitely says "turn me on deadman!" Not sure about the rest of all that though…



    See also:

    The Nine Satanic Statements

    The Nine Satanic Sins

  57. In the 4th screenshot (Where the rag doll is reading from the “Annuls of Peracelsus”) the ragdoll's hand forms a masonic compass and square.

  58. Alex vandenBerg on

    Hi VC,

    Thanks for all you do. You hit on something monumental at the very end:

    "This is what 9 is about. But there is one question the movie doesn’t answer: Is humanity organically entering this phase of History or is it being forced and provoked by the powers that be in order for it to achieve its own “Great Work"?"

    The question I have is: What if it's both?

  59. Great article, but there are some flaws. One is the constantly touted myth that the elite agenda is about the coming age of Horus. The earthly elite HATES Horus. Horus is the equivalent of Jesus, at least symbolically. The one they worship is the equal to Lucifer/Satan. his name is SET. Look up information regarding the war between Horus and Set. They do not believe that their idol Set will be the "savior" of the world, and as such, it's wrong to characterize their belief that Set is bent on saving the world. Their only concern is having Set save *them* from the law of Karma (Justice).

    Also, if you add 6 + 6 + 6, you get 18. 1 + 8 = 9. It's an "odd" number which represents asymmetry and inequality. It's inferior to the perfect 10. They don't want the actual perfection of 10 because they would have to embrace righteousness and defer to the true Creator God. They want to defeat God with their "perfect wrongness". They believe that their "pure wrong" has to ability to overcome the "pure right".

  60. Also, in this film, only 9, 7, 3, and 4 have survived. In reality, # 1 will be among the survivors and things will look very different from what this grotesque movie depicts.

  61. By the way, the lightbulb of Lucifer represents the "false light", or more accurately, the stolen or "harnessed" light. The symbol of the "true light", of course, is the candle flame. The trapped light within the light bulb would like nothing more than to be freed in order to join the light of the candle flame.

    Our entire society is based on the harnessing of light, which empowers the industrial age. That's what is behind the name "Illuminati". It's about stealing the natural resource of Light (in the form of electricity) and using it against its own desire in order to steal dominance over the earth and eventually Heaven itself. But it will not fulfill its final goal.

  62. vc`s very astute analysis ends with the question: "Is humanity organically entering this phase of History or is it being forced and provoked by the powers that be in order for it to achieve its own “Great Work”?"

    I believe that the answer is simple and that it lies in the fact that tim burton actually made "9". humanity is indeed being forced ever more deeply into this "blackening" – and it is magical rituals such as that performed on 9/11, as well as films like "9" (and many, many others like it) that are doing this (not so) "great work".

    • Black is not evil, it's another of those things elite want you to think as bad. Was Lucifer black? He was the LIGHT bearer, white, he was illuminated and was very wise.
      Energy can turned to bad, even white energy, don't be fooled.

      • btw, I don't mean "black" and "white" as in skin colour but energy/magic/power/whatever you believe in to.

    • Many rituals specifically require participants to have white-blonde hair and paper white skin at different levels of The Progress. That is why Gaga looks the way she does right now, Madonna has also gone through that phase at least once etc. Also, most children are born looking that way naturally so they are particularly vulnerable to being used in ritual.

      • It is also the reason why many iconic blondes are kept that way for so long that most of their adoring fans never knew for years that they were actually dark haired to begin with (e.g. Monroe). There is also a more covert form where natural blondes dye their hair black and create the same confusion (Winona, Uma etc). The dark to light duality or vice versa.

  63. Meh. She sheep are scared because they know they'll be the first ones. If you're awake, you're not afraid, and you know what's up, you know what's happening IS biological, inevitable, necessary, and in the end… beautiful. Yes, humanity is going through a spiritual evolution, yes it is necessary for the cosmic order to keep going as it has, and yes every single soul will at some point have to face it. The more they struggle to accept the truth, the harder it will be to face. The longer and deeper someone will try to sleep, the more painful it will be to wake up.
    "So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep"
    "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you"
    " Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love"

    People don't understand what the Bible is. God, Satan, Hell, and Heaven are all psychological and emotional states that one individual can experience/be in. The Bible is a dramatization of one's mind, every character is a symbol of a struggle, idea, opinion, etc. When Jacom wrestles with the Angel, he is wrestling with his mind, for if God is within us, and Angels are messengers of God, then the purest ideas within the subconscious are our Angels.

    Once you wake up from this deep material slumber, you see just how perfect everything really is… Once you fall in love with Self and Source, you see Source within everything… And fear, fear of death, fear of loss, fear of anything… Well, it has no place.

    Unfortunately the masses, even sheepie here, do not understand the beauty in it. Its as though in order for them to see the truth, you have to show it in a language they understand – through death, disease, and gore. People like it. Its the 3 "F"s of advertising: fear, food, fornication… or newscasters… "If it bleeds, it leads…"

    Meh. Go on, bash me people… I am at peace because I know that God is me and I am God and Love is the foundation.

    • Kristina is speaking the truth. To people who's mind is held captive by dogma or religion, what she has to say may hurt you. I know, I've been there. But though it hurts, you have to question your beliefs, challenge your faith, if only to see if it's as strong as you think it is. This isn't something that you must do for someone else, this you have to do for yourself, for your own spiritual evolution.

      • Well, she is and she isn't – our earthly experience is a complete journey in many ways and gives us the intelligence and transferable skills to deal with the challenges we face and every joy and struggle can be couched in terms of self discovery which is beautiful … BUT we did not create ourselves and we did not simply come about due to evolution. A higher force must have done done it and granted us the faculties to become what we are. The three Fs are for animals, man is a more privileged creature (I really don't want to hear the 'my dog/god is cleverer than yours' line at this stage).

        The Hermetic idea of 'As above, so Below' makes us aware that the life of this world is merely a reflection and that a higher force is holding up the mirror. Every member of the Illu minati is completely aware that God exists and intent upon sending the goyim down the new-age path of 'We are all gods' or 'We can all achieve godhood'. Our inability to control life and death in general and the golden proportions found in nature is further evidence that we can never be clever enough to control this world whilst retaining the natural harmony.

        The release of holy books in their uncorrupted format coincided with the slow growth in the knowledge base of mankind. Now that man has been clever enough to control technology, our ability to gain knowledge has grown at a disproportionately fast rate in the space of 2 decades BUT people are becoming increasingly dumb in general as they substitute out of spirituality and into technology. Worshipping the fruits of man's labor rather than the giver of the privilege can only go so far.

        I study Sufism, I have tried many religions on both sides at different stages of my life. I cannot say what is my concrete set of beliefs as I keep that fluid and reactive to my life's circumstances. However, I can say that I will need God's help going forward, it is one of the few certainties.

  64. Great article VC! You really "get it" don't you……. I've never seen this movie but not surprising to say the least in regards to the occult meaning behind the film and what it actually represents. The Title of the film alone says it all, that's if you understand the concept of numerology that "They" use & even the date is was released – Add all the numbers you get 27 ~ 2+7= 9….taking you back to the one of the main "occult" numbers for the "Elite". Remember the Freemasons encode hidden information in their architecture and monumental structures they build, that's just one example…. Like I always love saying the dots always connect and VC, you do most of the work lol & I liked and understood the connections you made. Some really good comments guys. Keep 'em comin :-)

  65. I find the use of the song 'somewhere over the rainbow' from the wizard of oz very interesting in this film. If I remember correctly it was when the dolls were feeling a false sense of security, believing that they were safe and had destroyed the robots.

    I can recognize the use of these symbols, but I do not agree with all of the interpretations. I know that there's the idea of hiding in plain sight and double think, but couldn't the evil one eyed robots in this film be a warning against the evils of technology (and perhaps by extension authority, tyranny)?

  66. To rage against traditional authority is infantile, as Crowley notes in the paragraph quoted above. This is the great weakness of an alternative path.

    But the truth is: we *are* children. Our dreams *are* childish. We *act* like children, towards ourselves and towards each other, for all the reasons Crowley mentions, and the writer acknowledges.

    The other truth is we are all our own *great work*, the apocalypse is daily and ongoing — for everyone, collectively and individually — and that we all need to grow the hell up.

    And I had avoided this movie because its advertising didn't strike a chord in me. I'll have to give it a watch and see if I can follow along at home.

    Thank you, OP, for writing the site and story. Bookmarked!

  67. Violet – You are insane. No one ever said anything about the things you are arguing against. It's nothing to do with 'antiquated'. The age of the religions is not what people are on about. Please think. Also, Christianity is possibly the least scientific and most barbaric of currently practiced religions. If not, then it's tied. Most Masons are Christians, how's that for 'old and barbaric'! Practice what you preach.

    • I am well aware that many masons are Christian and they may be unaware of what some masons are involved in, but I feel that the mystery religions of the 33rd degree elite are in contradiction to Christianity. I refer you to Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma as he refers to Adonay (God) and Lucifer the light bearer. I also ask you to google the 33rd degree and their financial contribution to the cruel MKUltra monarch program. This program was not a very Christian program. In Eyes Wide Shut, Kubrick makes many references to 33rd degree masons being involved in the sex rituals with mind controlled slaves..Ziegler is a name for masons. Look at Red Cloak's throne. Look at the building next door to Rainbow Costumes. Look at the symbol of Ishtar in the Christmas party. These masons are not very Christian.
      Number 1 represents Christianity and number 9 represents the Luciferian occult elite. As VC states, this movie represents the idea that the occult elite wish to eliminate the old TRADITIONAL religions which are in the dark through the new age of Horus.They seem to think that they are bringing man into a NEW age. But these ideas are not new. They go back to Babylon and Egypt and these mystery religions were created by old civilizations. Why would a new spiritual evolution of man go backward to these old mystery religions? And yes, they are barbaric. Christians today do not sacrifice living things, but the occult elite do.

    • you are false. Most christians arent christians. That is the flaw. A true Christian is harmless to you, it is their God you should be afraid of.

  68. MakeMyOwnMovies on

    Part 1 (got to love text limits!) Just saw this movie for the first time 11/26/2013. It's getting so any time I see "unusual" symbols in a media production, I immediately think: what occult theme is this visual vomit presenting today? Elite control, make-yourself-God-through-the-depravity-of-your-choice, or the more popular, You create the chaos, We'll make it all good after (see first item).

    Is there some biased of showing "happy" movies with good endings, for kids or adults? Why is it the only "good" movies are the ones where all the characters have to debase themselves and grovel through the muck?

  69. MakeMyOwnMovies on

    Part 2 I'm not really refering to the audience on this site, but this movie is yet another example of the depressing fad that more and more movies are taking. It's not serious, or expressive of an actor's ability unless you want to take an anti-suicide pill after you finish watching it (wouldn't recommend those either unless absolutely necessary).

    Yes I get the predictive programming point of view, as well as yet another post apocalyptic purging (where there are not even humans this time around). But I also know that the actual greek meaning of the word apocalypse is Unveiling. So back to my original question: what does it say, excuse me, unveil about human where we only think things worth considering is when everything about a plot is clearly BAD, WRONG, OMNIOUS and UGLY? Sure this movie may have bombed at the box office, but many others of its ilk aimed at adults are wildly sucessful.

  70. The 'play by play' to what is occurring and what will occur, at least in the now plans, was written in a letter by Alexander Pike to a man named Mazzini. In this letter, the wars of future generations are outlined and the results are shocking. The 3rd war has yet to come but there is NO question that the clowns are trying to think of a way to get it rolling as we speak. The more mystical metaphoric version is in Revelation to John, but that is nearly impossible to make sense of unless you have knowledge of ALL the surrounding criteria and a STRONG grasp of biblical knowledge. They've taken a few hits recently, some of their "prophesies" have not come true, the 3 generals that were supposed to lite off the nukes didn't do what they were told and the window closed for that little evil ceremony.

  71. My daughter's birthday is 9/9/09 at 9:00. no it wasn't planned that was just when she was ready to come into the world. We saw the previews for this movie, and my oldest daughter of only eight at the time caught the occult symbols. It scared her for her sister that her birthday was the release date and title of the movie.

  72. I found the cover interesting. I immediately spotted an inverted cross (broken down fence), the burning train that resembles the twin towers on 9/11, not to mention the opening date being close. The enormous doll on the ground that symbolizes how these dolls are standing on top of predetermined ideas, not even there own since they were created and parts of their creators mentalities were embedded into them. Seriously what kind of children's movie cover has an apocalyptic scary feature….. this was aimed to the older, yet oblivious generation. There's no path, only a mess guided by some archaic book. They want us to believe they have the answers and the true knowledge, but they don't know crap either. What is this artificial light he carries, for it is not one that shines. What is religion? Loosely it can be anything we habitually practice… brushing our teeth can be a religion. It is not something evil that people associate it with. It was an idea created by man. Man are the ones who should be held accountable, we are responsible for the corruption. Not religion. Our ideologies don't make us God, or gods. We are mere beings, walking amongst this Earth, living amongst life. We don't need to dabble in such debauchery to discover truth. If it's truth we want, it's a journey we will seek. Abandoning faith, is not the way. I am not a Catholic and I don't go to Church. I believe in Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God as one. I know the Church has done evil in the name of good, I know the blood bank it consists of and the hidden works. But that's not my fault, I will continue to grow my spirituality. Hatred is such a poisonous act to oneself. You wouldn't swallow poison and expect the other person to die… so you should not hold hate in your heart. Radiate positivity and be aware. It's scary to think how these symbols are now being embedded into our subconsciousness.

  73. I think it's really crazy that even kids movies have these esoteric meanings. What happen to those days when people weren't brainwashed? Oh it never been days like that. People have been brainwashed since before Christ.

  74. In the nag hammadi texts, the Gnostics describe three types of man that are currently existent on Earth today. There is the tulpa, or homunculi, like this article says, the material man, which is essentially soulless animated matter, matter being the physical human body. Then there is ensouled man, or psychic man, which reincarnates, has a spiritual destiny, and was created by the creator of Earth. Then there is the great men and woman with more pure souls, who come for one life here and there, throughout history, whom have a soul that originated in a higher, more perfect form (even more perfected than the soul of the creator god of earth) that come to show humanity a more perfected way of being. I think that the first, material man, represents the vast majority of humans on Earth, especially since the world population has drastically increased over the past few hundred years. They have been conjured in vast numbers by the dark occultists to best fit the machinations of the dark "great work", to supplement their plan for global dominance. The number of psychic men has remained the same for ages, about 500 million, and then of course the very small number of men with perfected souls greater than the creator of Earth god, the biblical god, is always extremely low, but has perhaps increased in contemporary times to help humanity in its great time of shadow and change, our current time. Which one are you?

  75. "…1 is stubborn, fearful, dogmatic, cowardly, and close minded…in the first part of the movie, 1 forces all of the dolls to hide in a decrepit Cathedral, discouraging his followers to venture outside of it. He wants his followers to stay hidden and ignorant as he believes that it is the best way to stay alive…."
    On this point I side with the occultists.
    The "Church" will tell you to stay in a deep dark cave, don't venture out into the light, don't develop your intuition, and certainly don't open your third eye! Meanwhile you were designed with a large brain, you were designed to have Kundalini flowing through your body. You have a large pituitary gland and a straight spine – giving that Kundalini an opportunity to reach your higher chakras. You have intuitive potentials.
    Did satan design you with all that or did God? Who's image are we in again?
    Of course "they" have all the tech to reach those potentials, but the congregation? The Riffraff? All of you please stay in your dark little cave, venturing out into the sunshine is dangerous! Get back in there! Whack! Whack!

  76. L. Ron Hubbard and rocket scientist Jack Parsons attempted to make a Gollum in the Mohave Desert, just a stones throw from what later bacame Area 51…

    • Very true. In the 50's and 60's, the California desert was a hotbed of occult activity and MKUltra. With Area 51, Scotty's castle, and China Lake Naval Base, the Mojave desert was a horrible Satanic playground.

  77. Liked the article, and the following comments that were made about it !
    Personally I'd like to keep an open mind, and heart to it all…
    Otherwise I believe you'll never arrive at the truth of the matter.

  78. AmberlySFisher on

    just before I saw the draft 4 $6860, I have faith that my brother realie taking home money in their spare time at their laptop.. there neighbour had bean doing this less than seven months and as of now took care of the loans on their place and bought a great Honda NSX. official websit……..


  79. The last part of this article – the quote from the "Book of the Law" had me absolutely astonished! How accurate a description of the mindless obsessions the crazy "trends" we see in society today – a society lost in a wilderness of self-glorification and total hedonism… The blind leading the blind indeed.
    Thank you VC – your work is priceless and always eye-opening!

  80. Human Self Indulgence. And our natural curiosity for things will be the end of us. Ever heard of the Greek Myth Pandora's Box? Somethings should just be left untouched. I, a fellow christian believes in the just & Almighty. For some, This may well, indeed ruin my credibility, But its not really about that. I'm a humble person whom would like to say that everyone has their own way of seeing things. We mustn't over think to much, If we allow ourselves, to do so, we will stray from the path of the good, virtue & righteousness. Stay strong and love eachother.

    Thank you all for taking your precious time,reading what i wrote.

  81. Here we go again. Another retreat into darkness in hopes of finding the ugly other, while playing cheerleader for the church. I wonder if Friday – Sunday is 3 days or was Christ joking when he said he would be 3 days in the grave. LOL What is funny is that the same Egypt that you all seem to despise as anti-faith is never mentioned as wicked only its Pharaoh. Last do you all realize that your christian bible is stolen off the walls of Kemet (Egypt). No you probably don't. There is an Illuminati or a network of sick people that run the world. Yes they are using all aspects of society to control us in an evil way. But the instruments and symbols that they use are ours and can be used for good as well as evil intent. So when I see a site such as this that only sees the world through the closed mind of the church, it is well disheartening. We need this information without the B.S. church position but we need you all to understand that the power they utilize is there for al of us to use. The church doesn't want you to know that, its power is diminished when you become a free-thinker. Of course the church does not want to admit that it is stolen mythology historicalized and literalized into human history. The only sin the Kemetians (Egyptians) were guilty of is knowing that what christians believe that was stolen from Egyptian myths is that none of the teachings could ever take place in the domain of man, or the physical world. Stop scaring the easily misled followers that you have and teach them first the truth of the church, judaism and islam three false religions all based on the same ancient myths, each one using the other two as evidence of its own validity, while at the same time denying the truth of the others. They are all in cahoots together, wake V.C. and keep exposing the Illuminati but fight on the side of truth without any regrets as to where the truth may lead you…

  82. For sometime now, I've been seeing the number three and nine pop up all over the place. Its incredible how much I've noticed them in movies as well. Has anyone else noticed this and is there anymore information on the symbolism and movies where it occurs? Especially 3's.

  83. I have not seen this movie, so I'm not sure, but it seems to me yet another in a long line of films that show a future in which humanity will only exist in avatar or cyborg bodies.

    I don't know how you keep going at this VC. I find it totally overwhelming at this point.

  84. interesting, because when I saw this movie I came to very similar conclusions. the occult references are some of them obvious and some not so obvious. the idea that man can merge with machine is also part of the new world order's transhumanist viewport.

  85. I'm not surprised Burton is into this and not just because of the general, macabre nature of his work. Johnny Depp seems deeply submerged in it and they've worked together almost as an inseparable team for over a decade.

  86. Wow, amazing how far you blundered down the wrong path due to one reference to a book (the occult reference offers a small insight into how the scientist may have brought life to the stitchpunks, nothing more nothing less). Looking for a meaning? 9 is a metaphor for the holocaust. Simple.

  87. 9 = 333 = 3 : the most mystical number on this life station ( earth ), symbols & numbers – magicK, only because we have yet to understand the inner-workings ,so, what they do is practice inversion, backwardness, counterfeit masters, they defame and soil the almighty " trinity " ( 3 ) — the movie revolves around this numerical digit for that reason alone – ( a mocking of Christ )

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