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The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Prisoners is a 2013 thriller about the abduction of two girls in Pennsylvania. Behind this crime story is an underlying spiritual subtext and subtle symbolism that gives the movie another layer of meaning – one that comments on religion, morality and the hidden forces at play in society. 

Warning: Gigantic spoilers ahead!

Prisoners is the kind of movie that stays in your mind long after the ending credits roll. This is not only due to its gripping, dramatic story but to the spiritual subtext that underlies it all. As the film unfolds and the crime investigation progresses, esoteric concepts and symbolism are also introduced, giving the movie an entirely new dimension. What appears to be a story about the abduction of two little girls turns into a profound spiritual journey of humans facing adversity and finding themselves lost between good and evil, right and wrong, and morality and immorality.

Prisoners takes place in an average American town, Conyers, Pennsylvania during the time of Thanksgiving. The grey, gritty and unglamorous setting of the movie allows the characters to shine through, as the story is driven by their pains, struggles, and dilemmas. Through the background and evolution of each character, the movie comments (and sometimes condemns) some aspects of American society. Some items that are touched upon: Christianity, “preppers”, secret societies and mind control. Let’s look at the most important characters in the movie.

Keller Dover, the Father

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Mr. Dover is really, really pissed.

Played by Hugh Jackman, Keller Dover is a family man, a devout Christian and a “prepper” – someone who maintains a massive stockpile of various goods in his house in case of a major disaster. He is also very patriotic, for example, his favorite song is Star Spangled Banner. While not specifically stated in the movie, Keller somewhat has the profile of a Libertarian or close to the Tea Party movement. However, we quickly realize that in the context of this movie, these traits are far from helpful. In fact, they pretty much lead him to his downfall.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

In the very first scene of the movie, Keller Dover recites a prayer right before his son shoots a deer. This sets the awkward tone of the movie where religion is associated with the death of an “innocent animal”.

 

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Keller Dover is a  “Jesus fish on the truck” and “cross hanging from the mirror” kind of guy. To make things more Jesus-related, Keller is a carpenter.

We also quickly learn that Keller is a “prepper”. On the way back from hunting, Keller gives his son the same advice his father gave him:

“Be ready. Hurricane, flood, whatever ends up being. No more food gets delivered to the grocery store. Gas stations dry up. People just turn on each other. All of a sudden, all that stands between you and being dead … is you.”

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Keller’s basement is a well-organized stockpile of food, tools, weapons and even gas masks.

Although there is nothing wrong or illegal about stockpiling items in one’s  basement, people around Keller act weirdly about it. We get the feeling that it is a taboo subject. When the detective visits Keller’s basement and discovers his “prepper” secret, Keller immediately becomes a suspect. In short, the movie communicates the idea that this type of person is suspicious and not trustworthy.

Upon learning that his little girl has probably been abducted, Keller becomes distraught. As the movie progresses, his desperation turns into madness and Keller kidnaps a guy whom he believes is the culprit and proceeds to torture him.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Keller Dover kidnaps a weird guy named Alex Jones because he appears to know his daughter’s whereabouts.

Although Alex Jones kind of looks and acts like a child molester, we find out that he is innocent. Even worse, it turns out that he himself was abducted as a child and his odd behavior is the result of years of mind control that impaired his intellectual development (he has the IQ of a ten-year-old boy). The name choice of Alex Jones is interesting because, as many of you might know, it is also the name of the “conspiracy” radio host who promotes the “prepper” movement, constitutionalism and other elements Keller Dover probably agrees with. However, in the movie, Alex Jone’s name is associated with a mentally deficient boy who gets beaten up by Keller. Is this a way to “diss” Alex Jones and the people who agree with him?

Whatever the case may be, by kidnapping and torturing Alex Jones, Keller only further traumatizes an already-damaged person.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Going further into madness, Keller builds a custom torture chamber where Alex is confined in a little dark space and is occasionally showered with scolding hot water.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

For the rest of the movie, all we see of Alex is one eye (perhaps representing his perpetual state of mind control), lighted by the hole in his chamber.

So, instead of helping authorities find his daughter or even comforting his family, Keller lashes out at an innocent person and becomes a kidnapper himself.

While Keller’s actions may have stemmed from a noble purpose, he distinctly crosses the boundary between right and wrong. This conflict is further emphasized when Keller turns to prayer to find strength and, perhaps, answers. At one point, during a torture session, Keller recites the Lord’s Prayer:

“…and forgive our trespasses as we forgive …”

But he stops at the point where he is supposed to say “those who trespass against us” –  indicating that he cannot live up the Christian ideals described in the prayer he is reciting.

In short, Keller reacted to his daughter’s abduction in a violent matter, stubbornly focusing on a sole (innocent) person. Instead of providing comfort or seeking actual facts about his daughter’s abduction, Keller relied on instinct mixed with ignorance and anger. Through Keller’s response to the family crisis, the movie does not shine a favorable light on the “religious, patriotic, prepper” profile. Far from being prepared for disaster, Keller became paranoid, irrational, and prone to madness. Furthermore, behind his “good Christian” surface hides an infinite “stockpile” of anger, hate and rage.

Luckily, the detective in charge of the investigation is the exact opposite of Keller.

Detective Loki

Unlike Keller Dover, Detective Loki is rational, methodical, and never strays away from the law. He does not appear to have any kind of family and is portrayed as a loner dedicated to his job. Despite receiving constant verbal abuse from Keller, Loki stays focused on his task and manages to save pretty much everyone involved in this drama.

Loki is the name of a Norse god known to be crafty, quick-witted and sometimes heroic. He is also known to be a trickster, a shape-shifter who eventually turns against the gods. Does Detective Loki share traits with the Norse god he’s named after? It does symbolically represent the antithesis of the monotheistic, Judeo-Christian beliefs of Keller Dover. Furthermore, Loki definitely uses his intellectual powers to achieve his aims.

While Keller is associated with Jesus fishes and crosses, Loki is covered in occult symbols:

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Detective Loki’s Masonic ring is clearly displayed throughout the movie. It is most visible during scenes where he is researching clues or reflecting on what is happening. Loki represents the Masonic ideal of obtaining truth through one’s own means and intellect.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

On his right hand are tattooed astrological symbols which are also extremely important in occult Mysteries.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

On his neck is tattooed an eight-pointed star. In occult symbolism, this is known as the Star of Ishtar, a Babylonian goddess associated with the planet Venus.

In short, Loki is associated with the rationality and enlightenment claimed by occult secret societies. In this sense, he is the opposite of the irrational, emotion-based Keller.

Merely through the varied symbolism associated with the characters of Keller Dover and Detective Loki, the movie criticizes the “religious prepper” type while glorifying members of secret societies. But Keller is not the only negative representative of Christianity in the film. While going through a list of sex offenders living in the area, Detective Loki ends up visiting a local priest … and finds him passed out on the floor, drunk. Then Loki finds a dead body in his basement (although it’s the body of a child abductor).

Prisoners also features another poor representative of Christianity:  Holly Jones, the kidnapper.

Holly Jones the Child Abductor, Mind Control and the War on God

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Holly Jones stands next to an ironic painting of an angel watching over two children.

Toward the end of the movie, we learn that Holly Jones (Alex Jones’ “aunt”) is the one who kidnapped the two little girls. She claims that she and her late husband used to be devout Christians and that they used to drive around “spreading the good word”. However, since they lost their son to cancer, they turned against God. She tells Keller:

“Making children disappear is the war we wage on God. Makes people lose their faith. Turns them into demons like you”.

As we learn about the modus operandi of the Jones couple, we discover that they use basic mind control techniques on the children: They drug the captives, traumatize them by throwing them in dark holes and subject them to crazy mind games. This system is represented by one important symbol: The maze.

The Maze

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Detective Loki observes a picture of Holly’s late husband who is wearing a maze pendant.

The symbol of the maze is extremely important throughout the movie. It represents the system that abducts children and, more importantly, the state of mind control these children are forced to live in.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

On this maze book is written “Finish all the mazes and you can go home”. This is given to the abducted children to mess with their minds.

After days of torture, Alex Jones finally says to Keller: “I am not Alex Jones”, implying that he was abducted by Holly and that he was given an alter persona. When Keller asks him where the kidnapped children are, Jones replies: “They’re in the maze. That’s where you’ll find them.” Of course, Jones does not refer to an actual maze but to the state of mind control, the children are subjected to.

Later, Detective Loki finds a suspect named Bob Taylor who acts in a bizarre matter and who was also a victim of Holly Jones. He stayed at her house for three weeks and was drugged with an LSD/Ketamine drug cocktail, which is classic a mind control technique. Bob managed to escape from the house, but while Bob is free, his mind is definitely not. We quickly realize that he is still “stuck in the maze”.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Bob’s house is covered with never-ending mazes.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

While being interrogated by the police, Bob obsessively draws mazes which he claims are “maps” to the kidnapped children.

While Bob’s “maps” do not actually lead to the physical location of the children, it leads to their psychological state: Trapped in the mind control maze of their handler. In actual mind control, mazes are an important trigger image that accurately represents a slave’s mind state.  “Maze maps” are programmed into the victim’s internal world to keep them from accessing their core/true personality.

Bob tries to help the police, but his damaged mind does not allow him to give out actual information. When Loki gets aggressive during interrogation and asks for specific answers, Bob says “I can’t …” and kills himself. Actual MK slaves are often programmed to commit suicide in these types of situations.

As Loki examines Bob’s house, he discovers that Bob is completely obsessed with the child abductors and their tactics (he recreates child abductions using dummies as a hobby). While searching Bob’s stuff, Loki finds a book that appears to be written about the Jones.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

At Bob’s house, Loki examines a book called “Finding the Invisible Man” which was written by an ex-FBI agent.

According to Loki’s colleague, the book is about a “theoretical suspect believed to be responsible for a bunch of child abductions”. He adds that the book was “totally discredited”. The last page of the book contains an unsolvable maze, which was used by the Jones’ as a sick game to traumatize children.

While the book was discredited, “The Invisible Man” appears to accurately describe the Jones and their system of mind control. However, one can ask: Do the Jones work for a higher organization? Is “The Invisible Man” actually the MK Ultra system of the occult elite? Does the fact that the book was discredited imply that powerful people covered up that story?

Whatever the case may be, the movie has a “happy” ending: The children are rescued and returned to their family. So who is the true prisoner?

The Prisoner

In his frantic search for his daughter, which leads him to kidnap and torture Alex Jones, Keller Dover crosses the line between good and evil. He tries to justify his actions by claiming:

“He’s not a person anymore. He stopped being a person when he took our daughters.”

But by dehumanizing his captive in that manner, Keller stooped to the same level as the child abductors. He became one of them.

Later, when Keller realized that his daughter was at Holly Jones’ house, he rushed there in order to torture her. However, Holly had a gun and forced him to jump into a dark hole.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

Instead of saving his daughter, Keller is thrown into the same hole his daughter was previously trapped in.

Therefore, Keller himself turns into a captive. After a period of moral tribulation, his time in the dark hole can represent his spiritual death and can be compared to the three days spent by Jesus Christ in his tomb before being resurrected. In ancient occult secret societies, candidates for initiation were held in darkness for several days to represent the death of their “old self” before they were “spiritually reborn”.

The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie "Prisoners"

While investigating Holly’s house, Loki hears Keller blowing a whistle he found in the hole. The movie ends like this.

Guess who ultimately saves Keller from the hole? Detective Loki. In a sense, Loki is Keller’s savior, the one who frees him from spiritual death and toward a second life. Loki, a representative of Masonic-like occult secret societies, is therefore portrayed as the one who pulls Keller, along with his irrational and hypocritical fervor, out of the hell he put himself into.

While Loki probably saved his life, Keller will nevertheless have to go to prison for the crimes he committed. In the end, there’s only one true prisoner in the movie: Keller Dover.

In Conclusion

Through the characters of Keller Dover and Detective Loki, Prisoners comments on specific elements of society, casting them in either a favorable or unfavorable light. Keller is a family man that is religious, patriotic, and prepared for disaster. While at first, he appears to be the hero of the story, he somewhat turns into a “bad guy”. The attributes that positively defined him, in the beginning, turn into gigantic flaws causing him to become irrational, sadistic and paranoid. The one who saves the day is Detective Loki, a character literally covered in occult symbolism, hinting that the way of secret societies is the “true light”. Loki’s enlightened ways ultimately give Keller a chance to be reborn.

Prisoners’ narrative and treatment of its characters reflects the direction of mass media today. The Keller Dovers of this world, who are either openly religious, patriotic or prepared for disaster, are often deemed suspicious and prone to negative action. The values represented by Keller Dover are increasingly being frowned upon by mass media. Are these traits not desirable in the America of the New World Order? In an America where fundamental rights and freedoms are being slowly and steadily revoked, people like Keller Dover are the most likely to take action about it. And the elite does not want that. Perhaps that is why the Department of Homeland Security creates training videos portraying “constitutional, patriotic militias” as terrorist groups. Perhaps they want to find a way to turn them, like Keller, into prisoners.



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Rodcket

Alex Jones was not innocent.
Holly Jones said Alex was the one who brought the missing children home, she was the one who decided they would stay. Therefore, Alex is a child abductor (although he probably didn't realise it).

nothing

realize*

Bollocks

realise*

Correctly Correctington

Realise is English English. You know, how the people who invented it write it.

Eric

Incorrect. Alex Jones was captured and tortured to the point where he was incapable of knowing right from wrong. Singing and playing with the girls was innocence, and not knowing the morality of his actions to bring them home is a learned trait from his life history of being a captive. Holly Jones made the choice to keep them, repeating the guilty crime cycle of countless kids.

Rosa

Thank you for this great review. What’s stuck in my mind is, would they have found the girls had Keller not kidnapped Alex?
Alex had apparently been keeping the girls company while he was home- would joy have had the chance to escape with an extra pair of eyes on her?
Also, the reason Loki visited Holly at that crucial moment was to inform her that Alex had been found, etc.. Perhaps the attention would have shifted from the Jones family by then had it not been for the kidnapping of Alex.
Any thoughts?

sevendaze

they would not have found the girls (alive) if keller had not kidnapped alex. holly explains to keller that she kept alex around the house to keep her company. after he disappeared, she began to get lonely and tried to move the girls into the house, which is when joy escaped, ultimately leading to her downfall.

and yea loki was only there in time to save anna because of being sent there to tell her about their discovery of alex. so keller did play a major positive role in this happy ending for the girls.

Eric

The breaking point was Loki’s superior’s unwillingness to charge Alex Jones after he told Keller that “they only cried when I left them”. He would have been charged and held in prison–leading Holly Jones to again become lonely and bring the girls into the house.

Toy

Kelly is being totally misunderstood. The only person who actually solved the mystery was Kelly Dover. He got something out of Alex that made him realize Holly was the kidnapper. The only reason Loki was at Holly’s at all was because Kelly had taken Alex in the first place. Ultimately, Loki and the other cops did nothing but 1) waste time chasing Kelly, 2) let Alex go (didn’t get through to the truth), 3) by chance stumbling upon Holly AND later upon the trapped Kelly. I’m sorry, but I believe it was the “super prepared man” who ultimately saved his family here, at the cost of going to jail, at the cost of alienating his grief stricken wife, and at cost of his eternal soul. The lesson is: do it yourself.

Polka

I agree wholeheartedly with all that you said except the last sentence. I don’t think that’s the lesson at all. I think it is an illustration of what horrors are capable of being unlocked by child kidnapping. Different people have different reactions, and isn’t it amazing what terror exists in the human soul. Even the mother of the other little girl, upon seeing the horrible effects of Keller’s anger, wants Keller to keep him prisoner until they learn more. I don’t think the movie endorses Keller’s actions at all; instead, I think it exposes the power we all have to do evil–even in the name of love!

Olivia

Yes, Keller did ultimately solve the mystery, when it comes down to it. But the reason he did was not because of anything Alex said, but because of what Joy said to Keller after she awoke from her coma– “You were there.” Keller just puts two and two together and realizes that Joy heard him because he was in Holly’s house, not because of anything Alex tells Keller. So, yes, Keller kidnapping Alex does drive the story but Alex really gives Keller next to no information on the kidnapping itself. But the cops definitely do play a role in the story and I don’t think that the movie is necessarily endorsing the whole ‘do-it-yourself’ attitude either. If it had been, I doubt that it would have portrayed Keller in such an ambiguous and ultimately negative light. And because Keller’s DIY attitude ultimately fails him. As for Loki’s role in all of this he did 1) figure out that there was a gang of child-kidnappers working together (as we see from the confession he gets from the priest who killed Holly’s husband) and 2) connects that the maze symbol has something to do with said kidnapping gang. Loki’s chasing Keller ultimately… Read more »

Jawariah

These people know exactly what they're doing. In fact, they are very smart. they know very well what kind of agenda they are putting out there for the masses, and it's all put together very carefully and elaborately. It is no coincidence that we see so much symbolism and backwards messages in movies, its all part of the agenda they are creating. The thing that makes me really sad is that there are so many movies that demonstrate the police state, the government's plans, and the people opposing and fighting back YET no one seems to wake up to the reality. It's almost as if the elite are rubbing it in our faces and laughing at us for how stupid, blind, and fluoridated our brains have become to what is really going on. People, we shouldn't be afraid of the government. The government is afraid of our opposition. The government is AFRAID of the people actually standing up and standing against them. The power is in our hands. We are the ones giving the government so much power by being "afraid" and letting them dumb us down. They're afraid of us waking up and smelling the coffee (or should I… Read more »

Polka

Interesting analysis. Except it’s not as black and white as that. Keller’s religious madness and medieval brutal tactics do help lead Loki to the correct place. Similarly, Loki appears at the right place as a response to Keller’s prayers. When he asks God for help, Loki saves his daughter as a sort of guardian angel. God doesn’t necessarily work with Christian symbols only–He works with all symbols, and the solving of the maze comes through Loki’s response to Keller’s prayers. The savior that had to suffer innocently for people’s sins (including Keller’s) was Alex–innocent, raised by a father not his own, beaten and bloodied, etc. On the other hand, Loki’s dismissal of religious connections that are first alluded to by the priest delay his investigation–he was more interested in following the gun-toting, “prepper” Christian than he was in understanding the religious connections between the priest and the Joneses, and the serpents and the Joneses and Bob Taylor–obvious religious symbols from the Garden of Eden–symbols of Satan’s punishment and his war upon mankind (the power to bruise man’s heel). My point is, you can see a combination of pagan, Christian, and psychological symbols that aren’t easily separated into a “down with… Read more »

Michael

Very interesting that Jake Gyllenhaal is a detective with zodiac tattoos, and he also plays a detective in Zodiac. Two movies that combine detectives with astrology.

Why is it that actors always have similar themes running through their movies like that?

Another coincidence:

The actor who played Bob Taylor, also played an insane person in The Dark Knight (paranoid schizophrenic). He was the Joker's thug who got caught on purpose and was wearing a name tag of Rachel Dawes, which marked her for death (actress played by Jake Gyllenhaal's sister).

It's all a twisted circle that's so hard to make sense of.

TMAC30

Wow, I usually look at peppers at crazy people or hoarders, but now after seeing this it seems that they have the right idea, if you think about it the "powers that be" want to have control over everything and if they control over the food then they got us, so they don't want anyone to prepare so we can be fully dependent on them. Great Job! VC!

Marozia

I have this movie at home. I noticed all of the symbolism. Very good movie. Love the dissection by VC.
The stress that Keller suffered with the abduction caused him to be the abductor and torturer. This, of course, as well all know, happens to traumatised people (in all stages of life), but especially in childhood.
Detective Loki – the Trickster or even Satan. Was he saving Keller from Christianity?
And we all know that Beyonce, Katy Perry, et al, were all 'saved' by Satan, don't we?

The duder

Not going to mention the cross tattooed on the hand of Loki???

L. Bogardus

The Symbols on Detective Lokis (Jake Gillenhaal) fingers are not astrological Symbols but letters written in Theban meaning “Kain”, the biblical Cain.
So later in the movie Loki gets his “mark of the cain” on his head by the bullet of Holly Jones (Melissa Leo).

knwr

The reason the girls were found was because Keller got Alex to say he wasn’t Alex, and that the kids were trapped in the maze. So he went to Jones house to probe this, and when he went to the hospital Joy said “you were there!” because they heard him questioning Holly. That is the only clue that lead back to Holly’s place, where the kids were stashed. Loki went back to Holly’s, only because he had to tell her about Alex, because Keller abducted him. Nobody would be back at Holly’s if Keller hadn’t done what he did. Lastly, Alex wasn’t truly innocent. He did abduct the kids to play with them in his camper, and brought them back to Holly’s. Sure, Holly was the one to force them to stay, however he also told the police that he never seen the girls in the pictures, when he in fact did. You can argue that he’s traumatized and brainwashed to the point of being a victim himself, but he still committed this act which makes him part of the problem. In the end, Keller had to torture him, and he successfully got his daughter back through this process. However,… Read more »

knwr

And– You conveniently missed the cross tattoo on Loki’s hand

Luciferian_Darkness

Detective Loki: Loki the Norse figure has been compared to Lucifer (The bringer of Light) from Christianity & by Lucifer meaning Bringer of Light this relates to Masonry who say “Follow the Light”. Venus has commonly been associated with the figure Lucifer unlike Saturn which is associated with Satan. Clearly Loki being a detective seeks Enlightenment and admires the art of Theorizing. Keller: He appears to be a devout Christian from what this article says yet he has Wrath running through his system in which we can all understand from his Daughter being kidnapped and having clear knowledge of the apparent suspect, who wouldn’t be so vengeful. What confuses me though is he turns to a very dark and sinister way of reacting therefore Loki and Keller are complete opposites. One would imagine Loki with his interests to be the character of being dodgy and Keller being the good spirited man but what I sense is Loki tries to bring Keller out of the Darkness into the Light like a Mason would by using his Knowledge and Wisdom. Holly: Holly being faithful would question God as to why her son was took from her therefore it appears she decided to… Read more »

TheHuss

luciferians tricked into thinking that lucifer is the fallen angel and against satan ( removes himself from satanic fire form & gives himself angelic form of light instead) in fact the fallen angels are god believing harut & marut

gnear

Did you watch the movie?

roflcoptr

loki is the fallen angel, anna is the morning star. Hugh Jack an plays the misguided human sesrching for redemtion and wanders into to flames of hell searching.

Donny

That was a heavy and slowly movie for me, decided to watch it before redaing VC`s analysis, which is brilliant as always. Noticed many MK mind control triggers troughout and dont know why, but the most memorisable were the blue lights of Loki`s police car, while driving Anna to hospital, after which appears a scene of green, red and yellow lights in front of his dull vision – colour sequences are typical MK techniques. I cant be sure about that, more likely felt it like in intuition, but Im watching FRINGE series now and such things get more and more reconsable if you look for them. Also symbolically the girls can be seen as a duality of black(Joy) and white (Anna). Everythig starts at he day of Thanksgiving (November – mont !!! 11 !!!), when a doe ( = deer, symbol of Satan) or the two "doe"thers are being sacrifised. Too much symblism in the names of the characters, as expected. Something remained unclear for me and turned back with purpose the scene where Keller meets Joy at the hospital: there she states "You wera also there" and a memory appears how the two girls run away, Joy escapes, but… Read more »

Chig

Thing is there is nothing wrong with the occult…just like anything the application of what ever knowledge you have exoteric or esoteric is what matters…as we know Christianity can be used for evil and can create the same characteristics in a man as any occult philosophy and also Christianity was born from the amalgamated beliefs of several occult mystery schools…this government is corrupt and uses both side of the coin (any philosophy) needed to achieve their goal of absolute control. Dont let symbol confuse you or intimidate you from learning the truth about the world and its origins.

Awake

The Holly Jones character is not a true Christian. A true Christian would never abduct and torture children. These are false representations of Christians in film and are created to control minds (mind control) masses to view Christians as bad people. The occultists are BAD and EVIL people and do abduct, torture and kill children for their sick purposes. Don't be deceived.

Awake TC

The Bible teaches us that it is fine to kill children if they are from another religion though. Perhaps Holly Jones is a good Christian?

turnkey

new covenant broke the old–much Christian bashing is really an attack on old Jewish traditions ("old testament.) catch up and join the Peace Train, ATC.

Awake

In Mathew, Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
youre a bad Christian if you don't kill the 'bad fruit'. Peace is reserved for conforming Christians. Please don't try to mould it for your convenience or to your received morals.

john

Wrong. You're knowledge puffs you up but you clearly don't understand.

Awake

I don't get what you are saying. The article says the women was a Christian and then lost her child and because of her anger towards God she decided to get back at other Christians by torturing their children. A true Christian doesn't think this way. Forgiveness is what we believe not getting revenge towards other Christian's by stealing their happiness. I strongly believe that occultist think this way but are painting Christians in bad light in this movie.

Awake

And to the person who said that you are a bad Christian if you don't kill the bad fruit…what bible are you reading? Thou shalt not kill is a commandment that ALL people should abide. Stop stealing other people's identity. I originally posted under AWAKE.

Hope

what happened to scripture 'love mercy and righteousness' Jesus summed up the old law with love thy god with all thy heart and mind and love thy neighbor. Killing goes against that.
Whenever God killed others of other religions ref. Canaanites they had nephilim DNA and were corrupted.

I don't see God killing Muslims etc. no I see Him saving them and delivering them. If you have this mentality of kill those who don't think like u, shows you are no better and are a phony.

Think you should go read 1 john. Also God is the judge not you. Walk as Jesus walked bro. Don't be deceived murderers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But Umm

…. Spanish Inquisition…. mass murders of those that didn't believe in the word of god.. THIS is the foundation of what current Christianity is build on. Look how intolerant "Christians" are today.. they feel everything is an attach on them.

Christina

Well, we have allowed bad fruit to ripen and look what has happened! Just sayin'.

Awake

God – the real living God in Heaven will judge the bad fruit. Matthew 13:29-30

HiddenNHim

Awake you must have been half sleep when you reached Matthew 5:38-47 which says, 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them… Read more »

Death2Elite

Where does it say that?!?! yeah, what bible "are" you reading?

mart

You should have put your quotation marks around the word 'reading' instead, implying that nothing was read in the first place..

JRS

The bible never says that. Please point out the scripture passage.

Awake

OK acording to my reading and backed up by my pastor, Luke 19:27 tells us to kill non-believers. Don't forget that many greater men have been spurred to action to kill or maim non-christians before us. We are also told that women are made for us and it is feminism that has ruined this world. Dont forget Isis an her worship. Hecate, the Magna Marta, Kali, Hel. There are so many. If we where more poactive in our faith then we wouldnt be in the predicament we are. We need to literaly beat the devil from this world and our right to bear arms is the God given way to do this. I am a true American in the strongest possible way and VC has shown me that I can trust NO ONE. My family comes first right alongside God and my Country.

Brads

Dude – you are so far off it's comical. Jesus gave us two commands to live by when the pharisees asked him which of the ten commandments was the greatest. He superseded the ten commandments with (1) love me with all your heart, soul and mind (2) love your neighbor as yourself. NOWHERE does Jesus advocate killing others for ANY reason. This Bible is NOT the Quran. Nice try.

Now quit spreading shill propaganda. God clearly says, "vengeance is mine". That means its not our responsibility to 'beat the devil out of this world'. That is his job as described in Revelation when he returns on his white horse and throws him into the lack of fire.

However, we do have the right to defend what we own and our family.

hoi polloi

Um, nice try. Here are the preceding verses of Luke 19: 11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ 14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ 15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. 16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ 17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ 18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ 19… Read more »

hoi polloi

Oh, and "Awake," could you please name some of the "greater men [who] have been spurred to action to kill or maim non-christians before us?"

Just ONE name?

Noname

I coudn`t live with the thought that so many people have to burn for all enternity for waht the Bible teaches about damnation, i just can`t, may they (The Sinners) been bad and flawed, but the thought of burning for all eternity is too much for me to handle.
I don`t wish that for anybody even for the most worse of all Humans.
May God judge it is his job , but i will pray for all of us, especially for the ones that wish others to burn and the ones who think they are above Sin.
Who throws the first stone?

Anon

I wonder what you'll think about this. You see I found a site of a dude who read the bible in Greek and Hebrew and apparently he got to the conclusion that the bible is like everything from this site: a hidden messages inside a more literal ones(it uses lots of shenanigans, anagrammatic and mirror writing that happen to disappear in any translation) One message type is about teaching math. Literally, there are hidden math problems inside the parables. The other type is about the Occult faith. From that guys words the faith is dualistic and gnostic in origin: there is a good God of darkness, blind to evil(he saw light as good), and the light god referred as The Lord God(best description self-serving, machiavellic, and blind to good) , who did most of the God speaking in the bible, and he's the one that refers to himself as the jealous god and the one who made the covenant with the jews. They seem to represent abstract things btw: the dark one represents nature or things that come untouched by men, while the light represents things made out of human intelligence or the Logos. Then there's Kain and Abel….the story… Read more »

ThisWorldIsMessedUp

I'd just like to point out that VC wrote that the film is intentionally portraying Christians as bad, they're on your side…

mary

Catholics are Christians and many priests sexually abuse kids…they are not true Christians either…I grew up a Christian and the people from my church weren't great either…just because you call yourself a Christian doesn't make you a good person, and that's what we see here

dogg

If this doesn't convince people that the movie industry is controlled by the OTO/illuminati, nothing will. Filled with bashing Christians, patriots, normal families, and exalting the occult.

And I can't understand the use of Jake in so many movies. He's such a twerpy little guy and unbelievable in the parts he plays.

dogg

If this doesn't convince people that the movie industry is controlled by the OTO/illuminati, nothing will. Filled with bashing Christians, patriots, normal families, and exalting the occult.

I quit movies years ago as opened my eyes to the mindwashing going on, and the fog was lifted from my mind.

turnkey

the Enemy was giving dominion over the air. pretty much covers all forms of communication/media. limit the sources, and the veil is lifted!

Aquinix

yeah….with the "eye twitch" what's with that? and he did it at very odd times too…made it easy to point out.

meg

It does seem odd but Jake G actually has that impediment. If you ever see him in interviews he always does that.

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