The Esoteric Meaning of the Movie “Prisoners”

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Prisoners is a 2013 thriller about the abduction of two girls in Pennsylvania. Behind this crime story is an underlying spiritual subtext and subtle symbolism that gives the movie another layer of meaning – one that comments on religion, morality and the hidden forces at play in society. 

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Warning: Gigantic spoilers ahead!

Prisoners is the kind of movie that stays in your mind long after the ending credits roll. This is not only due to its gripping, dramatic story but to the spiritual subtext that underlies it all. As the film unfolds and the crime investigation progresses, esoteric concepts and symbolism are also introduced, giving the movie an entirely new dimension. What appears to be a story about the abduction of two little girls turns into a profound spiritual journey of humans facing adversity and finding themselves lost between good and evil, right and wrong, and morality and immorality.

Prisoners takes place in an average American town, Conyers, Pennsylvania during the time of Thanksgiving. The grey, gritty and unglamorous setting of the movie allows the characters to shine through, as the story is driven by their pains, struggles, and dilemmas. Through the background and evolution of each character, the movie comments (and sometimes condemns) some aspects of American society. Some items that are touched upon: Christianity, “preppers”, secret societies and mind control. Let’s look at the most important characters in the movie.

Keller Dover, the Father

Mr. Dover is really, really pissed.
Mr. Dover is really, really pissed.

Played by Hugh Jackman, Keller Dover is a family man, a devout Christian and a “prepper” – someone who maintains a massive stockpile of various goods in his house in case of a major disaster. He is also very patriotic, for example, his favorite song is Star Spangled Banner. While not specifically stated in the movie, Keller somewhat has the profile of a Libertarian or close to the Tea Party movement. However, we quickly realize that in the context of this movie, these traits are far from helpful. In fact, they pretty much lead him to his downfall.

In the very first scene of the movie, Keller Dover recites a prayer right before his son shoots a deer. This sets the tone to the movie where religion mixes with the death of an "innocent bystander".
In the very first scene of the movie, Keller Dover recites a prayer right before his son shoots a deer. This sets the awkward tone of the movie where religion is associated with the death of an “innocent animal”.

 

He's a "Jesus fish on the pickup" and "cross hanging from the mirror" kind of guy.
Keller Dover is a  “Jesus fish on the truck” and “cross hanging from the mirror” kind of guy. To make things more Jesus-related, Keller is a carpenter.

We also quickly learn that Keller is a “prepper”. On the way back from hunting, Keller gives his son the same advice his father gave him:

“Be ready. Hurricane, flood, whatever ends up being. No more food gets delivered to the grocery store. Gas stations dry up. People just turn on each other. All of a sudden, all that stands between you and being dead … is you.”

Mr Dover's basement is a well-organized stockpile of supplies of food, tools, weapons and even gas masks.
Keller’s basement is a well-organized stockpile of food, tools, weapons and even gas masks.

Although there is nothing wrong or illegal about stockpiling items in one’s  basement, people around Keller act weirdly about it. We get the feeling that it is a taboo subject. When the detective visits Keller’s basement and discovers his “prepper” secret, Keller immediately becomes a suspect. In short, the movie communicates the idea that this type of person is suspicious and not trustworthy.

Upon learning that his little girl has probably been abducted, Keller becomes distraught. As the movie progresses, his desperation turns into madness and Keller kidnaps a guy whom he believes is the culprit and proceeds to torture him.

Although he was considered innocent and released by the police, Keller is convinced that Alex Jones is the culprit. He kidnaps him and tortures him for days to get him to talk.
Keller Dover kidnaps a weird guy named Alex Jones because he appears to know his daughter’s whereabouts.

Although Alex Jones kind of looks and acts like a child molester, we find out that he is innocent. Even worse, it turns out that he himself was abducted as a child and his odd behavior is the result of years of mind control that impaired his intellectual development (he has the IQ of a ten-year-old boy). The name choice of Alex Jones is interesting because, as many of you might know, it is also the name of the “conspiracy” radio host who promotes the “prepper” movement, constitutionalism and other elements Keller Dover probably agrees with. However, in the movie, Alex Jone’s name is associated with a mentally deficient boy who gets beaten up by Keller. Is this a way to “diss” Alex Jones and the people who agree with him?

Whatever the case may be, by kidnapping and torturing Alex Jones, Keller only further traumatizes an already-damaged person.

Going further into madness, Keller builds a a custom torture chamber where Alex is confined in a little dark space and is showered with scolding hot water.
Going further into madness, Keller builds a custom torture chamber where Alex is confined in a little dark space and is occasionally showered with scolding hot water.
For the rest of the movie, all we see of Alex is his one eye, lighted by that one hole, perhaps a symbol of his perpetual state of mind control.
For the rest of the movie, all we see of Alex is one eye (perhaps representing his perpetual state of mind control), lighted by the hole in his chamber.

So, instead of helping authorities find his daughter or even comforting his family, Keller lashes out at an innocent person and becomes a kidnapper himself.

While Keller’s actions may have stemmed from a noble purpose, he distinctly crosses the boundary between right and wrong. This conflict is further emphasized when Keller turns to prayer to find strength and, perhaps, answers. At one point, during a torture session, Keller recites the Lord’s Prayer:

“…and forgive our trespasses as we forgive …”

But he stops at the point where he is supposed to say “those who trespass against us” –  indicating that he cannot live up the Christian ideals described in the prayer he is reciting.

In short, Keller reacted to his daughter’s abduction in a violent matter, stubbornly focusing on a sole (innocent) person. Instead of providing comfort or seeking actual facts about his daughter’s abduction, Keller relied on instinct mixed with ignorance and anger. Through Keller’s response to the family crisis, the movie does not shine a favorable light on the “religious, patriotic, prepper” profile. Far from being prepared for disaster, Keller became paranoid, irrational, and prone to madness. Furthermore, behind his “good Christian” surface hides an infinite “stockpile” of anger, hate and rage.

Luckily, the detective in charge of the investigation is the exact opposite of Keller.

Detective Loki

Unlike Keller Dover, Detective Loki is rational, methodical, and never strays away from the law. He does not appear to have any kind of family and is portrayed as a loner dedicated to his job. Despite receiving constant verbal abuse from Keller, Loki stays focused on his task and manages to save pretty much everyone involved in this drama.

Loki is the name of a Norse god known to be crafty, quick-witted and sometimes heroic. He is also known to be a trickster, a shape-shifter who eventually turns against the gods. Does Detective Loki share traits with the Norse god he’s named after? It does symbolically represent the antithesis of the monotheistic, Judeo-Christian beliefs of Keller Dover. Furthermore, Loki definitely uses his intellectual powers to achieve his aims.

While Keller is associated with Jesus fishes and crosses, Loki is covered in occult symbols:

Detective Loki's Masonic is clearly shown a few times during the movie, often when he is shown using his brain and researching clues regarding the investigation.
Detective Loki’s Masonic ring is clearly displayed throughout the movie. It is most visible during scenes where he is researching clues or reflecting on what is happening. Loki represents the Masonic ideal of obtaining truth through one’s own means and intellect.
Loki has astrological symbols tattooed on his right fingers, which are important symbols of occult mysteries.
On his right hand are tattooed astrological symbols which are also extremely important in occult Mysteries.
On his neck is tattooed an eight-pointed star. In occult symbolism, this is known as the Star of Ishtar, a babylonian goddess associated with the planet Venus.
On his neck is tattooed an eight-pointed star. In occult symbolism, this is known as the Star of Ishtar, a Babylonian goddess associated with the planet Venus.

In short, Loki is associated with the rationality and enlightenment claimed by occult secret societies. In this sense, he is the opposite of the irrational, emotion-based Keller.

Merely through the varied symbolism associated with the characters of Keller Dover and Detective Loki, the movie criticizes the “religious prepper” type while glorifying members of secret societies. But Keller is not the only negative representative of Christianity in the film. While going through a list of sex offenders living in the area, Detective Loki ends up visiting a local priest … and finds him passed out on the floor, drunk. Then Loki finds a dead body in his basement (although it’s the body of a child abductor).

Prisoners also features another poor representative of Christianity:  Holly Jones, the kidnapper.

Holly Jones the Child Abductor, Mind Control and the War on God

Holly Jones standing next to an ironic painting of an angel watching over two children.
Holly Jones stands next to an ironic painting of an angel watching over two children.

Toward the end of the movie, we learn that Holly Jones (Alex Jones’ “aunt”) is the one who kidnapped the two little girls. She claims that she and her late husband used to be devout Christians and that they used to drive around “spreading the good word”. However, since they lost their son to cancer, they turned against God. She tells Keller:

“Making children disappear is the war we wage on God. Makes people lose their faith. Turns them into demons like you”.

As we learn about the modus operandi of the Jones couple, we discover that they use basic mind control techniques on the children: They drug the captives, traumatize them by throwing them in dark holes and subject them to crazy mind games. This system is represented by one important symbol: The maze.

The Maze

Detective Loki observes a picture of Holly's husband wearing a maze pendant.
Detective Loki observes a picture of Holly’s late husband who is wearing a maze pendant.

The symbol of the maze is extremely important throughout the movie. It represents the system that abducts children and, more importantly, the state of mind control these children are forced to live in.

The kidnappers gave children maze books saying "Finish all of the mazes and you can go home". This innocent game can become a traumatizing ordeal for a victim of mind control.
On this maze book is written “Finish all the mazes and you can go home”. This is given to the abducted children to mess with their minds.

After days of torture, Alex Jones finally says to Keller: “I am not Alex Jones”, implying that he was abducted by Holly and that he was given an alter persona. When Keller asks him where the kidnapped children are, Jones replies: “They’re in the maze. That’s where you’ll find them.” Of course, Jones does not refer to an actual maze but to the state of mind control, the children are subjected to.

Later, Detective Loki finds a suspect named Bob Taylor who acts in a bizarre matter and who was also a victim of Holly Jones. He stayed at her house for three weeks and was drugged with an LSD/Ketamine drug cocktail, which is classic a mind control technique. Bob managed to escape from the house, but while Bob is free, his mind is definitely not. We quickly realize that he is still “stuck in the maze”.

Bob's house is fully covered in never-ending mazes.
Bob’s house is covered with never-ending mazes.
While being interrogated by the police, Bob obsessively draws mazes which he claims are "maps" to the kidnapped children.
While being interrogated by the police, Bob obsessively draws mazes which he claims are “maps” to the kidnapped children.

While Bob’s “maps” do not actually lead to the physical location of the children, it leads to their psychological state: Trapped in the mind control maze of their handler. In actual mind control, mazes are an important trigger image that accurately represents a slave’s mind state.  “Maze maps” are programmed into the victim’s internal world to keep them from accessing their core/true personality.

Bob tries to help the police, but his damaged mind does not allow him to give out actual information. When Loki gets aggressive during interrogation and asks for specific answers, Bob says “I can’t …” and kills himself. Actual MK slaves are often programmed to commit suicide in these types of situations.

As Loki examines Bob’s house, he discovers that Bob is completely obsessed with the child abductors and their tactics (he recreates child abductions using dummies as a hobby). While searching Bob’s stuff, Loki finds a book that appears to be written about the Jones.

At Bob's house, Loki examines a book called "Finding the Invisible Man" which was written by an ex-FBI agent.
At Bob’s house, Loki examines a book called “Finding the Invisible Man” which was written by an ex-FBI agent.

According to Loki’s colleague, the book is about a “theoretical suspect believed to be responsible for a bunch of child abductions”. He adds that the book was “totally discredited”. The last page of the book contains an unsolvable maze, which was used by the Jones’ as a sick game to traumatize children.

While the book was discredited, “The Invisible Man” appears to accurately describe the Jones and their system of mind control. However, one can ask: Do the Jones work for a higher organization? Is “The Invisible Man” actually the MK Ultra system of the occult elite? Does the fact that the book was discredited imply that powerful people covered up that story?

Whatever the case may be, the movie has a “happy” ending: The children are rescued and returned to their family. So who is the true prisoner?

The Prisoner

In his frantic search for his daughter, which leads him to kidnap and torture Alex Jones, Keller Dover crosses the line between good and evil. He tries to justify his actions by claiming:

“He’s not a person anymore. He stopped being a person when he took our daughters.”

But by dehumanizing his captive in that manner, Keller stooped to the same level as the child abductors. He became one of them.

Later, when Keller realized that his daughter was at Holly Jones’ house, he rushed there in order to torture her. However, Holly had a gun and forced him to jump into a dark hole.

Instead of saving his daughter, Dover found himself trapped in the same hole his daughter was previously trapped in.
Instead of saving his daughter, Keller is thrown into the same hole his daughter was previously trapped in.

Therefore, Keller himself turns into a captive. After a period of moral tribulation, his time in the dark hole can represent his spiritual death and can be compared to the three days spent by Jesus Christ in his tomb before being resurrected. In ancient occult secret societies, candidates for initiation were held in darkness for several days to represent the death of their “old self” before they were “spiritually reborn”.

While investigating Holly's house, Loki hears Dover blowing in a whistle found in the hole. The movie ends like this.
While investigating Holly’s house, Loki hears Keller blowing a whistle he found in the hole. The movie ends like this.

Guess who ultimately saves Keller from the hole? Detective Loki. In a sense, Loki is Keller’s savior, the one who frees him from spiritual death and toward a second life. Loki, a representative of Masonic-like occult secret societies, is therefore portrayed as the one who pulls Keller, along with his irrational and hypocritical fervor, out of the hell he put himself into.

While Loki probably saved his life, Keller will nevertheless have to go to prison for the crimes he committed. In the end, there’s only one true prisoner in the movie: Keller Dover.

In Conclusion

Through the characters of Keller Dover and Detective Loki, Prisoners comments on specific elements of society, casting them in either a favorable or unfavorable light. Keller is a family man that is religious, patriotic, and prepared for disaster. While at first, he appears to be the hero of the story, he somewhat turns into a “bad guy”. The attributes that positively defined him, in the beginning, turn into gigantic flaws causing him to become irrational, sadistic and paranoid. The one who saves the day is Detective Loki, a character literally covered in occult symbolism, hinting that the way of secret societies is the “true light”. Loki’s enlightened ways ultimately give Keller a chance to be reborn.

Prisoners’ narrative and treatment of its characters reflects the direction of mass media today. The Keller Dovers of this world, who are either openly religious, patriotic or prepared for disaster, are often deemed suspicious and prone to negative action. The values represented by Keller Dover are increasingly being frowned upon by mass media. Are these traits not desirable in the America of the New World Order? In an America where fundamental rights and freedoms are being slowly and steadily revoked, people like Keller Dover are the most likely to take action about it. And the elite does not want that. Perhaps that is why the Department of Homeland Security creates training videos portraying “constitutional, patriotic militias” as terrorist groups. Perhaps they want to find a way to turn them, like Keller, into prisoners.


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sevendaze
sevendaze

you are really trying hard to make a square peg fit into a trapezoidal hole here. i think you guys are kind of hit and miss with your analyses, this one especially. i feel like this movie is more christian than it is anti-christian. one of the prevailing themes is falling from grace and the presence of sin within man. he is falling away from christian values due to his stubbornness and pride, which is revealed as his major character flaw from very early on. when he was about to go kidnap alex, he turns on the car and the radio and a preacher is saying some very relevant things about the temptation to sin and vengeance in trying times and the value of patience, which he considers for a moment but chooses to ignore. he also fails to complete the lord’s prayer in the later scene as mentioned in your article, because he knows that he has fallen from grace. in fact, his wife is literally named grace and he spends more and more time absent from her, until he finally completely disappears into the dark hole. him being a prepper is more to demonstrate his character: that he… Read more »

Rodcket
Rodcket

Alex Jones was not innocent.
Holly Jones said Alex was the one who brought the missing children home, she was the one who decided they would stay. Therefore, Alex is a child abductor (although he probably didn't realise it).

nothing
nothing

realize*

Bollocks
Bollocks

realise*

Correctly Correctington
Correctly Correctington

Realise is English English. You know, how the people who invented it write it.

Eric
Eric

Incorrect. Alex Jones was captured and tortured to the point where he was incapable of knowing right from wrong. Singing and playing with the girls was innocence, and not knowing the morality of his actions to bring them home is a learned trait from his life history of being a captive. Holly Jones made the choice to keep them, repeating the guilty crime cycle of countless kids.

Rosa
Rosa

Thank you for this great review. What’s stuck in my mind is, would they have found the girls had Keller not kidnapped Alex?
Alex had apparently been keeping the girls company while he was home- would joy have had the chance to escape with an extra pair of eyes on her?
Also, the reason Loki visited Holly at that crucial moment was to inform her that Alex had been found, etc.. Perhaps the attention would have shifted from the Jones family by then had it not been for the kidnapping of Alex.
Any thoughts?

sevendaze
sevendaze

they would not have found the girls (alive) if keller had not kidnapped alex. holly explains to keller that she kept alex around the house to keep her company. after he disappeared, she began to get lonely and tried to move the girls into the house, which is when joy escaped, ultimately leading to her downfall.

and yea loki was only there in time to save anna because of being sent there to tell her about their discovery of alex. so keller did play a major positive role in this happy ending for the girls.

Eric
Eric

The breaking point was Loki’s superior’s unwillingness to charge Alex Jones after he told Keller that “they only cried when I left them”. He would have been charged and held in prison–leading Holly Jones to again become lonely and bring the girls into the house.

Toy
Toy

Kelly is being totally misunderstood. The only person who actually solved the mystery was Kelly Dover. He got something out of Alex that made him realize Holly was the kidnapper. The only reason Loki was at Holly’s at all was because Kelly had taken Alex in the first place. Ultimately, Loki and the other cops did nothing but 1) waste time chasing Kelly, 2) let Alex go (didn’t get through to the truth), 3) by chance stumbling upon Holly AND later upon the trapped Kelly. I’m sorry, but I believe it was the “super prepared man” who ultimately saved his family here, at the cost of going to jail, at the cost of alienating his grief stricken wife, and at cost of his eternal soul. The lesson is: do it yourself.

Polka
Polka

I agree wholeheartedly with all that you said except the last sentence. I don’t think that’s the lesson at all. I think it is an illustration of what horrors are capable of being unlocked by child kidnapping. Different people have different reactions, and isn’t it amazing what terror exists in the human soul. Even the mother of the other little girl, upon seeing the horrible effects of Keller’s anger, wants Keller to keep him prisoner until they learn more. I don’t think the movie endorses Keller’s actions at all; instead, I think it exposes the power we all have to do evil–even in the name of love!

Olivia
Olivia

Yes, Keller did ultimately solve the mystery, when it comes down to it. But the reason he did was not because of anything Alex said, but because of what Joy said to Keller after she awoke from her coma– “You were there.” Keller just puts two and two together and realizes that Joy heard him because he was in Holly’s house, not because of anything Alex tells Keller. So, yes, Keller kidnapping Alex does drive the story but Alex really gives Keller next to no information on the kidnapping itself. But the cops definitely do play a role in the story and I don’t think that the movie is necessarily endorsing the whole ‘do-it-yourself’ attitude either. If it had been, I doubt that it would have portrayed Keller in such an ambiguous and ultimately negative light. And because Keller’s DIY attitude ultimately fails him. As for Loki’s role in all of this he did 1) figure out that there was a gang of child-kidnappers working together (as we see from the confession he gets from the priest who killed Holly’s husband) and 2) connects that the maze symbol has something to do with said kidnapping gang. Loki’s chasing Keller ultimately… Read more »

Jawariah
Jawariah

These people know exactly what they're doing. In fact, they are very smart. they know very well what kind of agenda they are putting out there for the masses, and it's all put together very carefully and elaborately. It is no coincidence that we see so much symbolism and backwards messages in movies, its all part of the agenda they are creating. The thing that makes me really sad is that there are so many movies that demonstrate the police state, the government's plans, and the people opposing and fighting back YET no one seems to wake up to the reality. It's almost as if the elite are rubbing it in our faces and laughing at us for how stupid, blind, and fluoridated our brains have become to what is really going on. People, we shouldn't be afraid of the government. The government is afraid of our opposition. The government is AFRAID of the people actually standing up and standing against them. The power is in our hands. We are the ones giving the government so much power by being "afraid" and letting them dumb us down. They're afraid of us waking up and smelling the coffee (or should I… Read more »

Polka
Polka

Interesting analysis. Except it’s not as black and white as that. Keller’s religious madness and medieval brutal tactics do help lead Loki to the correct place. Similarly, Loki appears at the right place as a response to Keller’s prayers. When he asks God for help, Loki saves his daughter as a sort of guardian angel. God doesn’t necessarily work with Christian symbols only–He works with all symbols, and the solving of the maze comes through Loki’s response to Keller’s prayers. The savior that had to suffer innocently for people’s sins (including Keller’s) was Alex–innocent, raised by a father not his own, beaten and bloodied, etc. On the other hand, Loki’s dismissal of religious connections that are first alluded to by the priest delay his investigation–he was more interested in following the gun-toting, “prepper” Christian than he was in understanding the religious connections between the priest and the Joneses, and the serpents and the Joneses and Bob Taylor–obvious religious symbols from the Garden of Eden–symbols of Satan’s punishment and his war upon mankind (the power to bruise man’s heel). My point is, you can see a combination of pagan, Christian, and psychological symbols that aren’t easily separated into a “down with… Read more »

Michael
Michael

Very interesting that Jake Gyllenhaal is a detective with zodiac tattoos, and he also plays a detective in Zodiac. Two movies that combine detectives with astrology.

Why is it that actors always have similar themes running through their movies like that?

Another coincidence:

The actor who played Bob Taylor, also played an insane person in The Dark Knight (paranoid schizophrenic). He was the Joker's thug who got caught on purpose and was wearing a name tag of Rachel Dawes, which marked her for death (actress played by Jake Gyllenhaal's sister).

It's all a twisted circle that's so hard to make sense of.

TMAC30
TMAC30

Wow, I usually look at peppers at crazy people or hoarders, but now after seeing this it seems that they have the right idea, if you think about it the "powers that be" want to have control over everything and if they control over the food then they got us, so they don't want anyone to prepare so we can be fully dependent on them. Great Job! VC!

Marozia
Marozia

I have this movie at home. I noticed all of the symbolism. Very good movie. Love the dissection by VC.
The stress that Keller suffered with the abduction caused him to be the abductor and torturer. This, of course, as well all know, happens to traumatised people (in all stages of life), but especially in childhood.
Detective Loki – the Trickster or even Satan. Was he saving Keller from Christianity?
And we all know that Beyonce, Katy Perry, et al, were all 'saved' by Satan, don't we?

The duder
The duder

Not going to mention the cross tattooed on the hand of Loki???

L. Bogardus
L. Bogardus

The Symbols on Detective Lokis (Jake Gillenhaal) fingers are not astrological Symbols but letters written in Theban meaning “Kain”, the biblical Cain.
So later in the movie Loki gets his “mark of the cain” on his head by the bullet of Holly Jones (Melissa Leo).

knwr
knwr

The reason the girls were found was because Keller got Alex to say he wasn’t Alex, and that the kids were trapped in the maze. So he went to Jones house to probe this, and when he went to the hospital Joy said “you were there!” because they heard him questioning Holly. That is the only clue that lead back to Holly’s place, where the kids were stashed. Loki went back to Holly’s, only because he had to tell her about Alex, because Keller abducted him. Nobody would be back at Holly’s if Keller hadn’t done what he did. Lastly, Alex wasn’t truly innocent. He did abduct the kids to play with them in his camper, and brought them back to Holly’s. Sure, Holly was the one to force them to stay, however he also told the police that he never seen the girls in the pictures, when he in fact did. You can argue that he’s traumatized and brainwashed to the point of being a victim himself, but he still committed this act which makes him part of the problem. In the end, Keller had to torture him, and he successfully got his daughter back through this process. However,… Read more »

knwr
knwr

And– You conveniently missed the cross tattoo on Loki’s hand

Luciferian_Darkness
Luciferian_Darkness

Detective Loki: Loki the Norse figure has been compared to Lucifer (The bringer of Light) from Christianity & by Lucifer meaning Bringer of Light this relates to Masonry who say “Follow the Light”. Venus has commonly been associated with the figure Lucifer unlike Saturn which is associated with Satan. Clearly Loki being a detective seeks Enlightenment and admires the art of Theorizing. Keller: He appears to be a devout Christian from what this article says yet he has Wrath running through his system in which we can all understand from his Daughter being kidnapped and having clear knowledge of the apparent suspect, who wouldn’t be so vengeful. What confuses me though is he turns to a very dark and sinister way of reacting therefore Loki and Keller are complete opposites. One would imagine Loki with his interests to be the character of being dodgy and Keller being the good spirited man but what I sense is Loki tries to bring Keller out of the Darkness into the Light like a Mason would by using his Knowledge and Wisdom. Holly: Holly being faithful would question God as to why her son was took from her therefore it appears she decided to… Read more »

TheHuss
TheHuss

luciferians tricked into thinking that lucifer is the fallen angel and against satan ( removes himself from satanic fire form & gives himself angelic form of light instead) in fact the fallen angels are god believing harut & marut

gnear
gnear

Did you watch the movie?

roflcoptr
roflcoptr

loki is the fallen angel, anna is the morning star. Hugh Jack an plays the misguided human sesrching for redemtion and wanders into to flames of hell searching.

Donny
Donny

That was a heavy and slowly movie for me, decided to watch it before redaing VC`s analysis, which is brilliant as always. Noticed many MK mind control triggers troughout and dont know why, but the most memorisable were the blue lights of Loki`s police car, while driving Anna to hospital, after which appears a scene of green, red and yellow lights in front of his dull vision – colour sequences are typical MK techniques. I cant be sure about that, more likely felt it like in intuition, but Im watching FRINGE series now and such things get more and more reconsable if you look for them. Also symbolically the girls can be seen as a duality of black(Joy) and white (Anna). Everythig starts at he day of Thanksgiving (November – mont !!! 11 !!!), when a doe ( = deer, symbol of Satan) or the two "doe"thers are being sacrifised. Too much symblism in the names of the characters, as expected. Something remained unclear for me and turned back with purpose the scene where Keller meets Joy at the hospital: there she states "You wera also there" and a memory appears how the two girls run away, Joy escapes, but… Read more »

Chig
Chig

Thing is there is nothing wrong with the occult…just like anything the application of what ever knowledge you have exoteric or esoteric is what matters…as we know Christianity can be used for evil and can create the same characteristics in a man as any occult philosophy and also Christianity was born from the amalgamated beliefs of several occult mystery schools…this government is corrupt and uses both side of the coin (any philosophy) needed to achieve their goal of absolute control. Dont let symbol confuse you or intimidate you from learning the truth about the world and its origins.

Better
Better

This was honestly the most nonsensical babbling I’ve mistakenly made myself read. What are you saying? Your assumption, that patriotism and prepping are the main factors leading to Keller’s decline into madness, is not only wrong, but it shows you completely lack basic analytical skills. Did you even finish the movie? Maybe next time have a peer review before posting something that was seemingly written by a seventeen year old trying to impress his washed up AP English teacher.

Mike
Mike

And by the way, to support your theme, Keller’s wife symbolically asks Loki in the hospital if he thinks that he will “find” her husband.
He says yes.
The fact that the movie ends before Keller is actually found – which he clearly will be PHYSICALLY found based on Loki’s third, final and convincing turn around when he hears the whistle – is perhaps the most substantial symbol of all. He won’t be SPIRITUALLY found. He is lost. He is forever a prisoner.
Which is the very objective of the movie, PRISONERS. The title does not reflect the two girls – it refers to Keller and those like him.

Mike
Mike

A few “holes”/thoughts:
(1) Keller parked his truck by his past, abandoned home in previous trips, but when Loki tailed him, he parked at the liquor store. Inconsistent. If he was tailed to the house, Loki would have found Alex sooner.
(2) Speaking of Alex, he was quick to speak of the girls when he was tackled without any threats in front of the police, but could endure tourture for days in solitude?
(3) Would the girls not have revealed when asked in the likely first question – where were you held – that they were beneath the car, which would lead to Keller?
(4) No background check on Alex Jones? Seriously? That would easily prove that he wasn’t a nephew.
(5) Loki recognized the maze necklace on the body in the priest’s basement when he found the body. The camera angle seemed to show that. Even if not, it was an identifying item when fingerprints and dental findings came up short. He would have put it together with the drawing earlier.

Gavin
Gavin

Watched this last night, noted that it’s heavy with symbolism, partucularly numbers.

The street number of the police station is 4916.. 491 being police code for kidnapping, and 6 being a ‘perfect number’ which, seeing as the jones’s had kidnapped 14 children over the years without being caught could allude to perfect kidnapping, or it could also reference Loki’s perfect record in solving his cases. 6 also has biblical connections.

The street number of the Jones’s home is 1634, which is the birth year of Mary Eastey, the Salem witch.

Akos
Akos

6 could also refer to ‘day six’ in the car conversation scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zooQSyenyE

Remo1000
Remo1000

Interesting take on the movie. I missed most all of that when I watched it. Only one daughter is found at the end. I think the other one is presumed dead.

Annurag
Annurag

Where did bobby get the girls’ clothes from?

Pat Jones
Pat Jones

Excellent, I am applauding you. Thank you

Bronwyn
Bronwyn

Interesting review. They certainly wouldn’t have bothered to put all that symbolism in it if it didn’t have a purpose. Do you have any thoughts about the tic from which Detective Loki suffers?

Liam Ramsey
Liam Ramsey

Loki says he had a rough past. I believe that his determination to the case, and that he has solved every case he has been given shows us that he may be able to relate to being kidnapped/abused as a kid. If this is true then his twitch may be something he developed while being abused. In a way, we know that many were victims of the aunt’s brainwashing. Both of her escaped victims were damaged. Loki is also damaged from a similar thing and that is seen through his dedication to his job.

Fatima
Fatima

Thank you for this. As soon as I saw that ring on Loki’s pinky, I knew there were other, underlying aspects of this movie, that are much deeper than the audience thinks they are.

Julie
Julie

It’s not possible to join the discussion if comments are not approved. I must have struck a nerve.

John
John

Wow! Nice analysis.

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Very good review. Saw the exact same context as I was watching it. Did you notice that Loki is shot in the head and bleeds into his right eye. His only good eye is his left eye – the same eye as the "all seeing" occultic eye on the dollar bill.

roflcoptr
roflcoptr

I M qa u cAnyone else caught up on how much alex jones looks like skrillex?

Bill
Bill

Trying to portray Dover as a Christian falls short. He never goes to church and is just a mean bully.

Žarko
Žarko

Excellent discerning of spirits!
Please do more newer movies more often.
God bless.

LWiebe
LWiebe

Except the author forgot a big one. What was the song playing in the very beginning when the RV was traveling down the Dover's road?

"put your hand in the hand of the man from galilee "

HKing
HKing

I don't normally give much credence to the things you mention in this article, but I couldn't help but pick up some of it. The one that nagged me and stood out for me, was the surname "Loki".

I wondered just why the name of a Norse God was applied to this character(I mean come on- it's a very uncommon surname) and then I began to see some of the meaning behind the film.

Awkward.

sena
sena

I would like to add something. At the end of the movie, detective drove car with his only one functional eye. Because the other one was injured and He couldn't see anywhere. And If Hugh Jackmen represent Christinanity , at the last scene he Blow the trumpet and according to All Holy Books such is Quran and Bible, Tevrat doomsday begins when the angel blow the trumpet. I think whistle represents the trumpet which will be blow end of the worl and beginning of the life after life.

kevinsterne
kevinsterne

This is a fantastic analysis. Brilliant work.

Bee
Bee

Loki has a cross on his hand, too. Maybe he stands for both: Christian and Masonry

Stephanie Walburn
Stephanie Walburn

Not all recent films are Illuminati-friendly. In the horror flick You're Next, the heroine was brought up in a survivalist camp in the Outback and she kicks her elitist boyfriend's butt-definitely worth checking out.

gm2
gm2

Makes sense if the nwo want patriots out of the picture. patriotic and national values are not wanted because they want a borderless new world. horrible!

todkopf
todkopf

alex jones is not the only media persona named, another is alluded to: the two mothers, who say each other's names when one daughter is found: nancy and grace.

and also on names- the two girls' names are said 3 times in succession in the 2nd scene of the movie by one of their parents.

alexas
alexas

"Making children disappear is the war we wage on God. Makes people lose their faith."

same thing happened to my neighbour. Their only daughter got abducted on her way to go to church.
after a week the parents found her in another city. Traumatic, lost minds and the visum said she got raped.
And the family stopped going to church.

now I join kickboxing class. Just learned that pray n faith only not really guarantees safeness on the road.

taskatan
taskatan

And here I thought the light bearers were the evil ones, with the Monarch programing and what not. The movie has reversed the rolls entirely, no doubt as a subterfuge to shift blame. In other words, the movie is a cover-up of the real perpetrators of mind control.

Watchful
Watchful

Thanks VC! Great minds think alike, lol. I saw this movie and hated it! I was saddened because I love Hugh Jackman, but this movie was creepy and offensive. I caught on to some of the manipulation that was being pushed, especially the Anti-Christian stuff. Just the idea that so called "sane and normal" people would justify the torture of that pitifully weird guy was shocking and repulsive. The movie industry is twisted and sick.

Rammliedsheil
Rammliedsheil

The actor who played Bob Taylor was also the same guy dressed as a Police Office that tried to assasinate the mayor in Dark Knight (2008). I remember when Harvey was trying to interrogate him, Bruce intervened informing the guy he caught had mental disorders. I'm intrigued to know why this actor played characters of similar personas for both films that are "related to the Occult".

Paul
Paul

A very interesting analysis of the Film… I would have added that the detective's attitude in general is a negative one that warrants disrespect from the Kellers as well as the neighbors, who are not mentioned in this article, but their daughter was captured as well…. these people's lives are torn apart through the abduction of their daughters and detective Loki doesn't present himself in the film like he's truely doing all he can. At least that is how it jived with me. For instance, the police let Alex Jones leave even after evidence of foul play was found in his RV. I'm not sure the Occult is promoted in this film either… Any red blooded American can find justice in the extreme actions of Keller and his neighbor. And although Keller ended up imprisoned in the end of the film, The Jones's were the ones truly suffering and this article failed to highlight that.

Angela
Angela

Your analysis is so much more interesting and compelling than the film. I should be refunded my rental fee.

Nancy636
Nancy636

I get so sick of Christians portrayed as nut cases that kill for God. I have not seen a good Christian portrayed in main stream tv. The good thing is God will be vindicated, He will expose it and them, He will ask why and they will answer

Tonny
Tonny

if you look clearly you will find that somehow keller dover face is resembling Jesus Christ

Skeptic Female
Skeptic Female

You are splendid! Yet again you never fail to scrutinize and point out the details… YOU, my dear, are the enlightened one lol… Who are you? I wish there were more intelligent, determined, confident and non-swayable (is that a word?) people like yourself. You are amazing–for this passage and all the ones written on this extraordinary site. Thank you. Thank you.

bill
bill

One of the most powerful movies that I ve ever seen mainly as you guys have stated it is representative of huge pillars in American society. what of the Radiohead song at the end CODEX

JoJo1183
JoJo1183

All you people that keep asking about the scene where Keller visits Joy at the hospital and question his innocence, did NOT pay close attention!.. She says she heard him there and says "IT put duct tape on our mouths", not "HIM"… So she Says he was there because she overheard him when he came to talk to Holly, she obviously only put the tape on because they were in that back room, and she didn't want Keller to hear the two girls ( same back room Loki found Holly injecting Anna at the end of the movie)..Also, the other person that questioned Alex's innocence did NOT pay attention well, either. The comment said blah blah blah why did they let Alex go when he was the one who abducted the girls, when Holly CLEARLY admitted to Keller in the end that he did not abduct them and just wanted to play, and that she herself took them. She said Alex had nothing to do with any of the crimes, other than being one of the first victims. Numerous comments asked these same questions over and over- pay attention people, then you wouldn't have to ask. Lol… That being said,… Read more »

Efra
Efra

Did you pay attention? When alex was shown the pictures of the two girls and asked if he had seen them, he blatantly lied to the detective. He also demonstrates he knew something was wrong wgen he said “they only cried after i left them.” So Alex WAS in on it. Now you can say he was mind-controlled and whatever bullshit stretch this VC review tries to sell you, but you cant say Alex was fully innocent.

RideorDie4Jesus
RideorDie4Jesus

Not to completely stray off-topic, but speaking of the 'actor' Jake Gyllenhaal..anyone remember his movie 'Donnie Darko' several years back? Featured him predominantly dressed as a big white rabbit..remember watching it with my then-boyfriend, & couldn't make any sense of it at all really..just thought of it as
a weird movie. However looking back on it now in hindsight..knowing all that I've learned from VC..the pieces fit together much easier to me. Much of it seemingly too obvious.

It would be AWESOME to have VC do an analysis of 'DONNIE DARKO'.

Johnathan
Johnathan

what fears me the most, regarding the film, is when Alex Jones said "I am not Alex".. the the thought comes to mind that "oh sht could it be her daughter inside the shower that he's been torturing all along?? (of course the voice may be proving otherwise, but still a possibility due to the damages done by the torture) maybe Taylor goes there and rescue Alex and replace it w/ Anna.. but thank goodness its not, darn I dont know what emotion will I bear if that is the case, what a sick twisted plot it will be, and what an impact on Dover's psychological being..

Kati3
Kati3

that's pretty funny for a plot, I wouldn't read too much into films, we write about what we know, you know

Sandra
Sandra

of course I see the main point of the story as their occult's age old trick of turning black into white and whit into black. Reverse image in the mirror. Good is evil and evil is good. They want to make Christianity and true Patriotism look bad, and occult look good. I do want to see this movie, more so now.

they're-heeeerre!
they're-heeeerre!

Nice catch on that Masonic ring. I would not have noticed that. Amazing!

M&Ms
M&Ms

Ughh this is sickening, I feel that what the lady says about turning people into devils is what has always been planned on a larger scale by the elite, don't you see how they are triggering people and kids through violent movies, medias and games? Desensitizing people gradually, making r**e & killing totally ok, this culture of death is giving birth to more psychos in our society, apparently the odds of meeting on are of 1 for every 3, so the chances you have met one are extremely high…freaky!
Some christians may seem a little hardcore but I'd rather see people clinging onto their faith at the cost of seeming insane than the opposite, we are being brainwashed into accepting a diluted version of spirituality, that God is all love and acceptance, that evil doesn't exist (what the new age trend is trying to convince you of) but that's not true, there will be a price to pay for all this heedlessness, the 3 religions of the book are giving the same warning, there's a spiritual war going on, so I urge you to strengthen your faith before it's too late.
Peace

apsara
apsara

1 in 3 … as low as that. In my city, most young people I encounter are mindless drones … they are uncultured, economically useless (of course not entirely their fault), godless in a new age sense but fluent in the language of drinking and partying. Whenever I encounter a single one who breaks the mould, they are such a rarity that I just wish I could hug them and tell them that they are a rarity.

KarmaKoma
KarmaKoma

Maybe its noteworthy that the number of Jones house is 1634.
It is visible cleary for quite some time (~23 seconds) when Loki enters Jones house.

It could be a hint for the year 1634, in which according to wikipedia Urbain Grandier, a catholic priest who was burned at the stake after being convicted of witchcraft, following the events of the so-called "Loudun Possessions"
The circumstances of Father Grandier's trial and execution have attracted the attention of writers Alexandre Dumas, père, Aldous Huxley and the playwright John Whiting, composers like Krzysztof Penderecki and Peter Maxwell Davies, as well as historian Jules Michelet and various scholars of European witchcraft.

Or is it the Number 14 (1+6+3+4) which has many meanings in the bible, numerology and occultism.

Btw, did you notice those owls in annas room ??

KarmaKoma
KarmaKoma

Forgot to mention the centipede in annas room… alice in wonderland anyone ?

Bill
Bill

Good analysis as always. Some random thoughts. 1) Very overtly obvious movie. Like being hit on the head. Is there a deeper meaning? The character names almost turn the movie into a joke. 2) I was struck by the similarity between the two main characters. One, a Christian believer: one, an occult worshiper (we could say an Egyptian believer). It doesn't really matter: they are both religious people. And, both can be violent. Have Christians heard of the Crusades? The Inquisition? Have Occultists heard of the World Wars they supposedly organized? How about the old Egyptian wars? Religion has been used as an excuse for violence from the beginning. So, it seems like this is a battle of religions, something that has been going on for millennia. But, substitute any one of these religions for any other in existence. 3) Using rational thought to legitimize one against the other? Each side could be blinded by their own belief system. So that technique come across as false. 4) The "Preppers" are more than just the doomsday sayers. The Mormon religion also stresses preparedness for disaster. And the other Christians are always calling them crazy. 5) It seems like the occultists are… Read more »

mr tv
mr tv

I would be interested to discuss these themes with the art department of this film. True Detective, too. The choices and placement are too meticulous to be accidental or casually done. Why not discuss the occult themes? The creators always seem to back off.

Joe
Joe

i just wanna say that i'm glad you try not to mention alex jones. it would be a bad association to have. he scares away the sheep with his gimmicks and style of doing things overall.

WWJD
WWJD

Wow you make some interesting points but then you start to go off the deep end a little. Alex jones isnt as innocent as you portray him. Yes he was brainwashed but with that alone he was no longer the innocent child that he once was. If he had enough sense to tell Dover that the girls didnt cry then he could have easily said "they are at my house" even a 10 yr old knows right from wrong but since he chose to keep quiet he was just as guilty as the "aunt", he had enough sense to remember their song and lastly he deliberately strangled that poor dog for his own enjoyment because he was alone and didnt think anyone was watching after he looked around before doing it. Dovers character was an example of how Christians too can fall from grace when faced with a devastating and desparate situation. However if you paid close attention every time he prayed a clue was given to him that brought him closer to his daughter. And his final prayer delivered him from his own situation. In the end it was he that saved his daughter because of he hadn't become… Read more »

Molotov
Molotov

Sooo I watched this movie a couple weeks back and I picked up nothing. Didn't see the ring, no signs nothing. This has me worried?!

Jon
Jon

I feel bad for Alex…

SamVuee
SamVuee

Talk about silencing the so-called "apocalyptic prophets" who are trying to spread the truth but yet many don't believe them. This is truly a classic example of that which shows the film and its symbolic names indicating the realities of the illuminati and how they plan to keep people in the dark about the truth.

But I'll admit, the film got my mind "mazed up" on its occult themes.

apsara
apsara

Loki = LOW KEY = hidden in plain sight = satan? Since I don't watch films, I can only guess.

har
har

the name isn't originally english, what are you blabbing about

whitney
whitney

I just watched this for the firsr time wednesday night, what a coincedence i decide to see what VC was talking about then i see this post.

haha
haha

If the satanists gets their way, the world will be a truly BORING place. More Rihanna nudes, no souls?
Yawn!

Anna
Anna

Great article.

But I would like to point out one more thing here….. Maybe, just maybe, some people in Hollywood are trying to expose the occult culture that's prevailing in America and throughout the world. You can take the example of Prisoners and also the TV series True Detective. Even in True Detective they show how crazy people are and what kind of occult stuff happens in America. I just hope that they are serious and not cosmetic with their intentions.

apsara
apsara

Yes, of course, because they are all so altruistic and non-materialistic and honorable?

Jawariah
Jawariah

haha lol…. truth is, they are very cosmetic with their intentions. The celebrities aren't trying to "inform" us on the truth. The celebrities are simply slaves to the elite, slaves in the mainstream media.

ZZZ
ZZZ

The whole premise is so transparent – hidden in plain sight.
Not even an attempt to make the plot deep or make one think.

I sense this is on purpose…not sure what that purpose is except perhaps to 'reveal' what is being planned before hand – as seems to be the modus operandi.

Viola
Viola

Good work VC !!!!! I LOVED this one !

TreeBudZ
TreeBudZ

Does nobody recognize the Holly Jones reference? Holly Jones was a girl in Toronto who was kidnapped, murdered and dismembered in 2003.

The irony is that Holly Jones becomes the captor in the film. It may be a clue as to why Holly Jones was initially kidnapped. I'm thinking it was a botched ritualistic kidnapping. That is really scary.

Jawariah
Jawariah

These people know exactly what they're doing. In fact, they are very smart. they know very well what kind of agenda they are putting out there for the masses, and it's all put together very carefully and elaborately. It is no coincidence that we see so much symbolism and backwards messages in movies, its all part of the agenda they are creating. The thing that makes me really sad is that there are so many movies that demonstrate the police state, the government's plans, and the people opposing and fighting back YET no one seems to wake up to the reality. It's almost as if the elite are rubbing it in our faces and laughing at us for how stupid, blind, and fluoridated our brains have become to what is really going on. People, we shouldn't be afraid of the government. The amount of power they have is actually the amount of power we GIVE them. The government is afraid of opposition, afraid of us waking up and smelling the coffee (or should I say, the chemicals all around us). We are the power, we are the opposition, and we are the RESISTANCE! If we wake up and start fighting… Read more »

afroditi
afroditi

Oh boy….How many occult meanings in a movie…VC keep up this great work!!

terri
terri

That is the craziest shiz I ever heard. Yet, now I want to see this movie. From the ads I saw on TV, I never would have wanted to see this movie. Now, it seems much more interesting. Thanks, VC!

mslonda1218
mslonda1218

Extremely insightful! Very well written!

Tim
Tim

"Keller" is german for "basement". Thanks VC for this great Review!

apsara
apsara

Don't know what to make of Mr Alex Jones, really. He blew a huge chance to promote his cause upon the basis that he presumed that he would be badly edited once it was aired. They way in which he conducted himself did himself a huge disservice. That was not the only occasion either. His random outbursts are almost terrifying. When he interviewed the Bohemian Grove author/ member, he wanted to bring it down to the level of a street brawl fairly rapidly. How on earth did he manage to get into Bohemian Grove anyway? I doubt he was inconspicuous even as an unknown? He also speaks of being invited to parties inside huge pyramid structures full of celebrities but he has never been an industry insider so what would he have been doing there?

michelle
michelle

Oh My word!! Alex Jones! I wonder what he thinks of the "coincidental" use of his name. I would be quite flattered, must be doing something right!

Willie
Willie

I can't participate this time. Didn't watch the movie, but i'll do it soon. The audience and critics are speaking very well about it.

Candice
Candice

The symbols on his hand are symbols for alchemy, not astrology as stated in the article, although two do resemble Virgo and Scorpio. Symbols related to the transformation of matter from one form to another.

JRS
JRS

I'm so sick of hollyWEIRD shoving these movies down our throats when they are complete flops compared to Passion Of The Christ, Courageous, Son Of God…etc.
Our country has a spiritual hunger for REAL truth, not occult bullcrap! The illuminati needs to cut that crap out!

casual observer
casual observer

Good summery of the movie but I think you missed one important element of Loki's character. He mentioned attending a "boys home" and hinted at abuse, which could explain his motivation for investigating those crimes. It could also mean he too has been subjected to mind control and is a masonic servant. As far as the eye twitching, I think it might be a symptom of OCD or PTSD.

Although a lot of Hollywood movies are rife with symbolism and the occult, I don't think we should assume they're all sinister and or propaganda. Some are most definitely blatant, some are whistle blowers, some are discreet but all in all they're mostly attempts at getting you to shell out 12.50.

ProtectYourself
ProtectYourself

Ok this year will be the year of the bible but i chose one movie in particular to point out!!! Look at the name of the production company and all the movies it has previously produced….be very careful even the slightest little change can change your beliefs!!! Stay strong!

Heaven is for Real — release date 4/16/14

If you’ve read the non-fiction true account of a Christian boy who saw a glimpse of Heaven after almost dying in a hospital, you might be surprised to learn that Hollywood has made a full-on major motion picture out of it, and it is featuring such beloved Hollywood veteran actors as Greg Kinnear (Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues, Little Miss Sunshine) and Thomas Haden Church (Spiderman 3, Wings). The production company behind it (Roth Films) is the Hollywood folks who produced such major films as Alice in Wonderland, Oz the Great and Powerful, Snow White and the Hunstman!

Panda
Panda

The book Heaven is for Real is massively false teaching. Please do research before promoting it. Test everything against the scriptures and pray for discernment.

Glenn
Glenn

A true Christian wouldn't kidnap and torture someone because he/she thought that person might be their daughters abductor but the movie (and Hollywood) wants to teach non believers to think Christians are a bunch of unstable nuts just ready to snap and do bad things.
When the time comes to round up Christians here like they have been doing around the world ( Egypt for recent example) brain washing movies like this one will have everyone ratting out their Christian neighbors without feeling a bit guilty.
I see this in almost all TV and movies now, whatever they want us to believe or be conditioned to accept next is right up there on the screen, Christians should use it as a tool to see whats coming next.

knwr
knwr

His “snapping” had nothing to do with being a Christian. It was entirely because of his daughters kidnapping. If you watch this and believe that all Christians are unstable nut jobs because one Christian was shown in a perturbed emotional state, then you clearly have an agenda you are trying to find in whatever you watch. You completely missed the point of the whole movie, and also generalized an entire religion.

I suppose you are one who thinks one bad apple means the bunch is rotten?

Konikk
Konikk

Please stop. We should “round” you up for being such a goddamn idiot.

Christina
Christina

Excellent article VC! You nailed this one on the head! Your analysis was spot on. I was also surprised that you knew about the reborn ritual. Not many people know about that. BTW do you remember when Bush Sr was asked if he was a Christian and his response was "If you mean am I reborn then yes". He never said yes, I'm a Christian, he said I'm reborn. Watch the interview on YouTube. You can see him struggling to answer the question.

RDT
RDT

When the daughter comments that Keller "was there" she is referring to his first visit to Mrs. Jones house. He was in the house and they stood by the car that covered the pit talking. She is saying that she heard his voice and recognized it.

That's how he knows where to find his daughter.

Rapid
Rapid

Just another Hollywood " Tribal " movie depicting Christians in a dark light ! The Hollywood " Tribe " has always projected this subject as far back as I can remember . Then , when a positive movie such as Mel Gibson's " the Passion of the Christ " , the Tribal members of Hollywood went BALLISTIC ! In Hollywood , as long as long as you portray Christ and or Christians in a negative way , you are accepted . Go off the reservation and your career is over http://www.wnd.com/2003/08/20486/
Anyone heard of Mel Gibson lately ?

Gabriel
Gabriel

Crazy fundamentalists ARE the bad people in this world. While Christ preached nothing but love and tolerance, fundamentalists (christians or otherwise) use religion to justify whatever they want (usually violence towards other people).

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

So, it's "fundamentalists" who are doling out the evil? What do you consider a "fundamentalist?"

I've known plenty of people who "cosmopolitan" folks would consider "fundamentalist," and they wouldn't hurt a fly. Never have. In fact, I can't think of a single person over the years, and I'm in my forties.

janet
janet

Just because you haven't encountered them doesn't mean they don't exist. Heck, they're everywhere on the internet. Ask Alex Jones and his followers. They'll tell you.

JP camel
JP camel

Matthew 10:34 for example… if you even own a bible

jj...
jj...

Good job taking that verse out of context.

Another passage from Matthew 10…
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

JPcamel
JPcamel

if you think Christ preached only "love and tolerance", you are not reading the same bible I am… or not reading the bible at all, more accurately.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The bible has many authors though and they are quoting what Christ said. A few of those authors lived during Christ's time and apparently knew him, while others came after and recorded words from witnesses and stuff like that. So its important to look at the bible just like you would any other historical source. It may be a religious text, but it is also a historical source with many authors. The validity of each author has to be looked at.

Think About It
Think About It

true the bible has many authors, but ALL of what made it into the Bible was written many years after Jesus " went to heaven", so it woulc be safe to say that non of the authors of these gospels was even alive when Jesus was.

also a committee of corrupt religious figures came together and vote/decided what stories should and should not go into the bible.. meaning it was a book created by the elite of that era in time… just let that sink in

danny
danny

once again VC gives another beautiful analysis the way Bill cooper would have..!!! And the Alex Jones character was NO mistake that's for sure… Hilarious nevertheless 🙂

apsara
apsara

It has not yet been mentioned how damaging this film is to the survivalist movement. I personally know families who have been stockpiling tinned foods and filling up chest freezers for over a decade. Cooking is not much fun for them but they would be the winners in the event of a nuclear attack. It is almost as though they would like people to stop stockpiling to maximise the number of hits first time round.

ParacelsusPontifex
ParacelsusPontifex

And also, you are to trust in Loki, that great God……………..LOL.

apsara
apsara

If you think that accurately repeating that prayer is a sign of strong faith, you should look into the origins of the prayer a little more. Maybe the misquotation was deliberate.

apsara
apsara

I immediately thought that Keller was a reference to Helen Keller who was heavily into theosophy as well as blind and deaf rather like the mindless drones that make up the majority of our population

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

I'm glad I never watched this movie

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

Not being able to recite a prayer word for word does not make someone any less a follower of Christ. Besides, it was probably just a typo

Snsanty
Snsanty

Just watched it. Kinda long tho. Also note the owls in the girl's bedroom, the use of the serpents, and the black and white checked floor in the bathroom where Alex Jones was captive.

Enchanted
Enchanted

Brilliant. Thank you yet again 🙂

ann
ann

So, Keller's mind and soul were reborn and saved indirectly (or directly) through Loki and their actions.
But, in the end – I thought you're saying he's a prisoner, reborn,saved. He's blowing the whistle from trapped inside a frozen ground. At a site they commented already they're stopping digging and search due to this freeze. Loki hears something, and shows no acknowledgement of it being a whistle, the search/dig is on hold for days… I don't understand how Keller is not or will not be dead?? How is a prisoner dead? He can't survive the frozen ground especially bleeding and without food or drink ?
I'm confused. He's blowing his daughter's toy whistle, detective walks away… I can't see how he's saved or a prisoner dead in a hole.
Can anyone explain this to help me understand?

L. B.
L. B.

Maybe redemption can only ultimately happen through actual death? Maybe Loki becomes an abuser as well and is a prisoner of his hatred as well? Did he know that Keller was torturing an seemingly innocent guy? Did he chose to kill him as a righteous act like the priest?

Krys
Krys

I'm sorry I have seen your comment only today so i decided to reply. Re-watch the movie ending and you will see that the detective actually acknowledge the whistle. Just before the screen goes off. At first he thought it was nothing, then he turned around seemed to be following the whistle with his eyes. I did not see him walk away.

Throughout the movie, not all actions were shown but they seemed to have happened based on talks later in the movie. E.g: When the afro-american guy (sorry I do not remember his name) told his wife about the kidnapping of Alex Jones, When Alex Jones was rescued by detective Loki (this one was only following the SOS he heard in some rooms.

Based on this, I assumed Keller was also rescued, but the scene was just not shown.

raquel pessamilio
raquel pessamilio

I really wanted to meet the people of VC who make these analyzes. Are amazing! Great job guys!

Bevin Chu
Bevin Chu

The film "Prisoners" is flagrant, in your face statist propaganda.
The moral is that private citizens who see through the Myth of Authority are wound too tight and ready to crack at any moment.
Government officials, on the other hand, are level headed "experts" who can be trusted to save the day, and even the misguided vigilantes from themselves.
Prisoners is by the numbers "leave justice to the experts" government propaganda.
For an antidote to the nonsense spouted in Prisoners, see "Death Wish," "Eye for an Eye," and "The Brave One."

ParacelsusPontifex
ParacelsusPontifex

Those movies are just as bad as the obvious propaganda of "Prisoners." Those are horrible anti-Christian movies, as well.

soundofthunder
soundofthunder

Really?
Care to explain?

illuminotme
illuminotme

Great article!

It's interesting that they used the name Alex Jones.. lol

But on a serious note..
In 2003 in Toronto, Canada there was a young girl named Holly Jones who was abducted; it was a huge case and it was a very big deal!
The fact that the writers chose to use that name is extremely unsettling and it is almost too creepy to just be a coincidence.

I wonder if they were aware that they were naming an abductor after an abductee..

Jeff
Jeff

interesting.. sort of ties in with the idea that they are part of a larger organization themselves

Master´s Emissar
Master´s Emissar

Very nice observation, That´s interesting since the movie plays with changings roles and values where the real victms (Christians / Abudected and their relatives) becames agressors (Extremists / Kidnapers) and wrong models to a "society" who actually is agressive against them and their values.

Marce
Marce

Your comment only made me think of the fact that handlers are usually mind control slaves too.

Sammi
Sammi

True Detective is similar and even worse.

jesusknight
jesusknight

Why is it that in movies they always make Christians, and now preppers and tea partiers the wack jobs in them?? It's getting old, I'm sooo over it. No Christian I know would ever torture another for ANY reason, and some of them have (myself included) have been through the wringer of life more times than I can count..

The movies and videos coming out lately are really disturbing and troubling to me. They are turning our youth away from Truth, and goodness, because evil looks so 'fine'…

John
John

Reality has a bias against them? I hate to tell you, but the more you study science the less certain aspects of religion make sense.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Scienve cannot and does not explain everything though. Don't get me wrong, I do like science, but its not going to solve everything. You can't find God or a soul with a telescope or theoretical equation. Humans have made a lot of intellectual progress over the years, but there is still an endless amount of questions that we can't answer right now. There are so many things humans don't know and may never know. We don't even know all of our own DNA or how big the Universe is. A lot of things are also based on theories, some that end up being discredited many years later. You know, just because you can't see something it doesn't mean its not there. There have been many human experiences that science has been unable to find a "logical" explanation for. Its unfair to assume that everything about religion or spirituality is wrong when the truth is that no one knows for certain until they're dead. Some people argue that there is no evidence that God exists, yet there is no evidence that he doesn't exist. Also religion doesn't force people to do crazy things. That's like saying science (through the idea of… Read more »

Think About It
Think About It

SO.. what your are saying is… If you can't scientifically come up with an answer.. turn to make believe and stories to fill the gaps? The major difference between religion and science is that religions act as if they KNOW all the answers; but science says it doesn't know all the answers and puts forth ideas, and theories that try to make sense of it all but never saying that any of its "answers" are set in stone. During the times of the gospel writings that make up the Bible we see today.. they thought the world was flat and that we were the center of all things, Any one that said otherwise was labeled a heretic and a nut job.. but hey guess what, that was proven wrong by what…? SCIENCE. People on this site wanna talk about "sheeple" all the time… Jesus refers to his followers as SHEEP and he is their SHEPARD… so yah, religion is just another form of control like all the others. stop being a sheep! I totally agree with most of the stuff on this site, until it gets into Jesus speak, it becomes hypocritical. How can ppl condemn one form of mass… Read more »

Christina
Christina

There are some things in this world that we cannot see or explain and maybe in the future science will be able to explain these things maybe even the reality of a consciousness known as God.

JRS
JRS

Actually the more i study science the more i realize how much it conforms to the bible. Ancient pagans believed that the earth was held up by a man (like atlas) or was riding on the back of some animal but if you read job 26:7 God "hangs the earth upon nothing". Now if the bible was just a bunch of ancient mumbo jumbo why didn't they say how the earth is riding on the back of an animal or something just as disprove be scientifically? Yet it is proven that the earth really does "hang upon nothing".

Rebekah Flanagan
Rebekah Flanagan

Exactly. And there are more things like that. It actually amazes me how much of the science and ancient pagan beliefs that conform just like you are saying. I wonder if the concept of the Greek Gods came from the Nephilim. Not sure, interesting though.

Yup
Yup

a lot of "pagan religions" are astrologically based, meaning they are ALOT closer to science that the Bible. The main thought at the time of the bible and its teachings was that the world was FLAT, and we were the center of all things….
But in all reality all Christianity is, is regurgitation of pagan teachings with a new face…

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

Because that's all evil knows how to do, they want to be superior, but everything it wants to do turns out bad.

7thDayEndTimes
7thDayEndTimes

Programming the masses to accept the occult secret societies and to regard Christian's as an enemy.

jks
jks

Ignore that. What is worrying that everyone will know all our mishaps in life in front of Christ and all the Angels during the Judgement day. That is sth to make you lose your sleep.

Think About It
Think About It

Doesn't Jesus refer to his follower as.. SHEEP? as in just a mass of unthinking entities that should question nothing and not think for themselves outside of the confines of what is "taught" via "religion" ? The very thing this website goes against.

Think About It
Think About It

… Christians.. torturing people… what.. that has NEVER happened.. EVER.. Oh wait… your argument is invalid because: Spanish Inquisition, persecution of Native Americans/Mexican Indians….

Ktt.
Ktt.

Maybe not all Christians agree, but enough endorsed the torture of detainees at Guantanamo Bay: for ~national security in an ~Islamic war raged against ~Christians.

pesho
pesho

I think we should focus on the idea of the war against God. In my opinion in some way the "real" demons in life are trying to justify their previous acts with this film, by portraying that life was not fair with them and because of that they became evil..
So in some sense they are angry and in their anger are trying to convert more people into them, as they did with Keller in the film.
And if we make a deeper analysis this film can be considered as a direct message to God and probably this film is not even meant for the general public.

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

pshaw! how was life not fair to them, they had it all! everything was PERFECT until they messed it all up. They should know that the only ones they have to blame are themselves! You know, for beings that are supposed to know a lot, they're idiots

turnkey
turnkey

create the problem, provide the solution. an elegant strategy of control.

i do wonder, though, of the timing Jake G's. meltdown around the filming of this movie?

Ann Onymouse
Ann Onymouse

Excellent Post… thinking of "the maze" and "the matrix"…

Lina
Lina

the one thing i would still like to know is in the scene where Keller goes and visits the girlfriend of his daughter in the hospital because she is found first, he walks into the room and the girl is frightened and talks about where she was kept and then looks at Keller and says "you were there!" … Wtf was that about??!!!! Was he also a kidnapper in his alter persona?? That was just weird… Answers, ANYONE? 🙂

Smooch
Smooch

He had been to visit Holly Jones before the girl was found, I believe. The little girl had seen (or heard him) and might have thought he was part of the kidnapping and thus was afraid. I thought it was this initial encounter that began to tip him off that Holly Jones was more than just an innocent "auntie."

Lina
Lina

Oh i didnt know he went over there.. If so then it all makes sense! Thank you 🙂 greetings from Belgium 😉

WWJD
WWJD

Yes I remeber she said she had to move the girls because the detective was poking around and dover came to apologize for attacking jones outside the jail.

LRF
LRF

The little girl heard Keller's voice when he stopped to visit Holly the first time. She would've been in the bedroom and the house is fairly small, so she was able to recognize Keller's voice through the wall. (the short scene when he went in for tea and apologized for scaring Alex at the police station.) Poor girl couldn't do anything then, since she was drugged and had her mouth duct taped shut.

Anaa
Anaa

She saw him when he visited the aunt. that's what triggered him to go back. Excellent movie that you have to pay attention to.

Cheyaneece Brown
Cheyaneece Brown

Hallelujah honey bear. All Praise to you VC for your reveal of dis deceit. My pastor tells me not to watch TV or MOVIES as this invites evils into your home and demons and from reading you I can c why. Im only alowed cell phone and internet so I am clean from evil sprites. I cry and weep for the world and all its wickedness but I c you are bringing the light of truth and inteligence to the world of evil. Im a black lady and I know your site welcomes all so I thank you and if you ever in Boulder just check in honey! That goes for all of yall. Praise be! xx x

turnkey
turnkey

others weep and pray with you, Sister C… keep the heart tender and pure and victory is ours, but be careful of the Internet, though, to keep your spirit high and leading others out and up–

God Bless to my fellow believers, and those who have yet to join us, but are coming!

aris
aris

another interesting "coincidences"

Dover — Dove (Holy Spirit)
Keller — Kell (Hell)
Holly Jones — Holy Jones

Pyrrho
Pyrrho

I was going to post something along those lines….the dove as the holy spirit or the church as a whole and keller sounding like killer, meaning that through his actions, the hero is actually killing the holy spirit…

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

so what's Holy Jones?

KarmaKoma
KarmaKoma

Keller is also the german word for "cellar" or "basement" …

KD = JC
KD = JC

Also the letters K&D.. If you go back one letter each you get J&C for Jesus Christ.

steven8
steven8

There is a spirit in man as the bible points out… And this spirit is subject to corruption, or to goodness… But from the beginning of our lives we have to be taught what is right… Interesting we already know how to do wrong, even when as children we do not understand until taught the difference… Thus what is going on in our society the lines have been blurred between right and wrong, ying, and yang, black, and white ect… Eventually we are lead down a path leading to destruction as wickedness is no longer considered as such, and hedonism becomes the norm… Sin becoming a "normal" part of our society, and thus redefining what liberty is actually intended for… The freedom to practice what is right, and just opposed to the evil as our Creator defines it… We truly live in a world filled with Babylon… Realizing this is a spiritual battle, and that those entities we do not see are the ones who are truly controlling the world at large is of extreme importance… Our Creator wants us to choose what is just, and right in accordance to His will… Lucifer wants to enforce his mindset that is… Read more »

Rafael
Rafael

Fantastic analysis!

tetelle
tetelle

l'elite veut tt simplement faire passer le chrétien pr 1 abruti, et se promouvoir de tt connaitre tt voir et de toujurs trouver ttes les solutions
tout se paie, un jour nous aurons tous a rendre des comptes….

Megan
Megan

"tt" c'est quoi????

Haramyah
Haramyah

tout

Master´s Emissar
Master´s Emissar

Hey Guys,

Thanks again VC for the excelents insights, this sh** movie is just a propaganda to blame those who cares about traditional values (patriotism, liberty, christianism, family) and to deify others who are enemies of the first, finally loki personage, a man without family or fatih is the ultimate goal for the ditatorial ocult elites, this kind of "superman" is present in diferent cultures who shares the same goal, such as platonians, spartans, nazis and communists.

Karen O
Karen O

Hurray for secret societies! They are teaching us to love confusion & think its enlightenment! I'm being sarcastic, of course

They Live
They Live

*Their

They Live
They Live

Loki is, as described in the article, the Norse version of Lucifer who conveniently is the god of most of these occultic societies. They're ultimate goal is to have one and all worship Lucifer. Another movie that has the Luciferian doctrine is "I, Frankenstein," oh do check that one out, it's similar to the movie "9."

MoJo
MoJo

Yes, exactly – pike said after the Third World War in his purported letter to Italian masonic leader Giuseppe Mazzini (who also predicted they would take over the Vatican and put their man in the chair as 'pope' – see Bill Strojie's piece called Popes of the Revolution: a Council for All Believers) that the world would embrace the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. David Spangler, another luciferian, said at Findhorn that no one would enter the New Age (old name of the magazine of the Scottish Rite – Pike had been the 'pope' in his day of all world wide Scottish Rite masonry) without swearing an oath to Lucifer. This is why Katy Perry has the goat legs after kissing the robotic "Adam" figure in her ET video where he morphs into an albino negro – the 'lightbearer" Luciferian figure/aka Perry, has 'set him free" – not Jesus Christ, mind you. A total inversion of the Truth.

Delahunte
Delahunte

This was actually one of the hardest movies I've ever had to sit through. I remember leaving the theater thinking, "That was one of the best movies I won't watch again for a very long time." Extremely well done but absolutely brutal.

Great article VC.

Eve
Eve

After watching the movie, I felt something wasn't right, like, it was a very dark movie. Thanks VC for the article.
Now, I have a question: his friend's daughter claimed "he was there" and that he also put duck tape (is it correct?) to them". I didn't understand that, can someone explain?
Sorry for my enlglish, it's not my language (I do what I can).

Believa
Believa

When she said that she was referring to the first time Keller Dover went to the Jones house, not knowing the children were there.

BluBoy
BluBoy

Good article VC……I also thought the choice of the names of the characters (Loki/ Alex Jones) were interesting, the Duality connection and also the concept of the maze, which is the main feature in the 1986 film Labyrinth, Katy Perry's Wide awake video amongst others……..What about SPOTM?

Awake
Awake

The Holly Jones character is not a true Christian. A true Christian would never abduct and torture children. These are false representations of Christians in film and are created to control minds (mind control) masses to view Christians as bad people. The occultists are BAD and EVIL people and do abduct, torture and kill children for their sick purposes. Don't be deceived.

Awake TC
Awake TC

The Bible teaches us that it is fine to kill children if they are from another religion though. Perhaps Holly Jones is a good Christian?

turnkey
turnkey

new covenant broke the old–much Christian bashing is really an attack on old Jewish traditions ("old testament.) catch up and join the Peace Train, ATC.

Awake
Awake

In Mathew, Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
youre a bad Christian if you don't kill the 'bad fruit'. Peace is reserved for conforming Christians. Please don't try to mould it for your convenience or to your received morals.

john
john

Wrong. You're knowledge puffs you up but you clearly don't understand.

Awake
Awake

I don't get what you are saying. The article says the women was a Christian and then lost her child and because of her anger towards God she decided to get back at other Christians by torturing their children. A true Christian doesn't think this way. Forgiveness is what we believe not getting revenge towards other Christian's by stealing their happiness. I strongly believe that occultist think this way but are painting Christians in bad light in this movie.

Awake
Awake

And to the person who said that you are a bad Christian if you don't kill the bad fruit…what bible are you reading? Thou shalt not kill is a commandment that ALL people should abide. Stop stealing other people's identity. I originally posted under AWAKE.

Hope
Hope

what happened to scripture 'love mercy and righteousness' Jesus summed up the old law with love thy god with all thy heart and mind and love thy neighbor. Killing goes against that.
Whenever God killed others of other religions ref. Canaanites they had nephilim DNA and were corrupted.

I don't see God killing Muslims etc. no I see Him saving them and delivering them. If you have this mentality of kill those who don't think like u, shows you are no better and are a phony.

Think you should go read 1 john. Also God is the judge not you. Walk as Jesus walked bro. Don't be deceived murderers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But Umm
But Umm

…. Spanish Inquisition…. mass murders of those that didn't believe in the word of god.. THIS is the foundation of what current Christianity is build on. Look how intolerant "Christians" are today.. they feel everything is an attach on them.

Christina
Christina

Well, we have allowed bad fruit to ripen and look what has happened! Just sayin'.

Awake
Awake

God – the real living God in Heaven will judge the bad fruit. Matthew 13:29-30

HiddenNHim
HiddenNHim

Awake you must have been half sleep when you reached Matthew 5:38-47 which says, 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them… Read more »

Death2Elite
Death2Elite

Where does it say that?!?! yeah, what bible "are" you reading?

mart
mart

You should have put your quotation marks around the word 'reading' instead, implying that nothing was read in the first place..

JRS
JRS

The bible never says that. Please point out the scripture passage.

Awake
Awake

OK acording to my reading and backed up by my pastor, Luke 19:27 tells us to kill non-believers. Don't forget that many greater men have been spurred to action to kill or maim non-christians before us. We are also told that women are made for us and it is feminism that has ruined this world. Dont forget Isis an her worship. Hecate, the Magna Marta, Kali, Hel. There are so many. If we where more poactive in our faith then we wouldnt be in the predicament we are. We need to literaly beat the devil from this world and our right to bear arms is the God given way to do this. I am a true American in the strongest possible way and VC has shown me that I can trust NO ONE. My family comes first right alongside God and my Country.

Brads
Brads

Dude – you are so far off it's comical. Jesus gave us two commands to live by when the pharisees asked him which of the ten commandments was the greatest. He superseded the ten commandments with (1) love me with all your heart, soul and mind (2) love your neighbor as yourself. NOWHERE does Jesus advocate killing others for ANY reason. This Bible is NOT the Quran. Nice try.

Now quit spreading shill propaganda. God clearly says, "vengeance is mine". That means its not our responsibility to 'beat the devil out of this world'. That is his job as described in Revelation when he returns on his white horse and throws him into the lack of fire.

However, we do have the right to defend what we own and our family.

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

Um, nice try. Here are the preceding verses of Luke 19: 11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ 14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ 15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. 16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ 17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ 18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ 19… Read more »

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

Oh, and "Awake," could you please name some of the "greater men [who] have been spurred to action to kill or maim non-christians before us?"

Just ONE name?

Noname
Noname

I coudn`t live with the thought that so many people have to burn for all enternity for waht the Bible teaches about damnation, i just can`t, may they (The Sinners) been bad and flawed, but the thought of burning for all eternity is too much for me to handle.
I don`t wish that for anybody even for the most worse of all Humans.
May God judge it is his job , but i will pray for all of us, especially for the ones that wish others to burn and the ones who think they are above Sin.
Who throws the first stone?

Anon
Anon

I wonder what you'll think about this. You see I found a site of a dude who read the bible in Greek and Hebrew and apparently he got to the conclusion that the bible is like everything from this site: a hidden messages inside a more literal ones(it uses lots of shenanigans, anagrammatic and mirror writing that happen to disappear in any translation) One message type is about teaching math. Literally, there are hidden math problems inside the parables. The other type is about the Occult faith. From that guys words the faith is dualistic and gnostic in origin: there is a good God of darkness, blind to evil(he saw light as good), and the light god referred as The Lord God(best description self-serving, machiavellic, and blind to good) , who did most of the God speaking in the bible, and he's the one that refers to himself as the jealous god and the one who made the covenant with the jews. They seem to represent abstract things btw: the dark one represents nature or things that come untouched by men, while the light represents things made out of human intelligence or the Logos. Then there's Kain and Abel….the story… Read more »

ThisWorldIsMessedUp
ThisWorldIsMessedUp

I'd just like to point out that VC wrote that the film is intentionally portraying Christians as bad, they're on your side…

mary
mary

Catholics are Christians and many priests sexually abuse kids…they are not true Christians either…I grew up a Christian and the people from my church weren't great either…just because you call yourself a Christian doesn't make you a good person, and that's what we see here

dogg
dogg

If this doesn't convince people that the movie industry is controlled by the OTO/illuminati, nothing will. Filled with bashing Christians, patriots, normal families, and exalting the occult.

And I can't understand the use of Jake in so many movies. He's such a twerpy little guy and unbelievable in the parts he plays.

apsaara
apsaara

Alex Jones has been uncharacteristically quiet about the deliberate use of his name! I guess that it also references his show Prison Planet as well as alluding to the theory about him being controlled opposition

James Knows
James Knows

Is there only one Alex Jones in the world?

Smooch
Smooch

Still, Alex never misses an opportunity to turn anything he remotely thinks is about himself into a huge controversy. I just knew if I went to his Youtube I would find a week's worth of videos going on and on about this movie but nope, there is nothing. Oh wait, all he does is advertise his empty vitamins now. I forgot, Nevermind!

Smooch_my_posterior
Smooch_my_posterior

Alex Jones has mentioned the use of his name in Prisoners more than once. Alex broadcasts for 3 hours a day. 6 days a week, and you couldn't find him addressing this one topic on youtube?
There is an article about it on infowars, it took me all of 2 minutes of searching to find it.
http://www.infowars.com/child-torturing-villain-i

I guess you are like a small child that believes that he disappears when he covers his eyes.

You should admit you are wrong.

apsara
apsara

No, more than one in THE world, but there is only one in THIS world we are dealing with. I think that they were hoping for an exaggerated reaction to bolster publicity for the movie and in not giving them this, he has managed to show admirable restraint given that it is against his nature. He probably has a completed sticker chart up on his fridge.

WWJD
WWJD

He probably got a cut of the earnings for using his name. Anything for money.

cyrbis
cyrbis

very disturbing to say the least!

Nikolo
Nikolo

Mind = BLOOOOWN

haha once again, amazing and insightful read VC.

Will
Will

How is Alex Jones innocent? Wasn't it he that kidnapped the girls in his camper and took them to his moms? And to top it off he taunted Jackman when he was released from jail? Why do you keep reffering to him as innocent?

meg
meg

In the movie, he was a child when he was tortured. He's been brainwashed so many times that he has no concept that what he's doing is wrong. In the movie he says to Hugh Jackson "they didnt start crying till I brought them home." Also, his truck, there wasnt any DNA. That leads us to believe that the girls came willing but the mother attacked them when they got to the house.

James Knows
James Knows

It is OK to drive children you don't know to your house and there is no law against it. Michael Jackson, killed by Illuminati, took children to his home and they felt threatened by it. Alex Jones was only doing this and so was innocent. Also, if you are brainwashed by people or persons or society then you can not be held responsible for your actions.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I don't think its ok to drive children in your car unless you have parental/guardian permission. The kids can't make those decisions themselves. Im not saying Alex Jones wasn't a victim himself though.

Frank White
Frank White

Lol there is most definitely a law against putting someone else's children in your car and taking them to your home. Smh.

SunshineMama777
SunshineMama777

No, he said "they didn't cry until I left them alone." I took that to mean that he was, in his own childish way, trying to comfort them. He said that to the father because he thought it would make him feel better, like he was looking out for them.

Symbology and subliminal messages aside, I thought it was a good movie. JG, HJ and Terence Howard are all phenomenal actors, and they made a (scarily) believeable story. Having witnessed similar situations in real life, I can say that the background, the relationships and the family members' reactions to the kidnapping were realistically portrayed. People turn inward, lash out, self-medicate, or go numb. Marriages crumble, the other kids slip into a kind of limbo, a gigantic hole is left in everyone's lives.

Despite Jake G's abilities, the only thing that didn't ring true was the "doggedly determined detective who will stop at nothing to find the truth." Cops are just as lazy and self-serving in child abductions as they are in every other case. Why do you think the Ills. and their creatures get away with it THOUSANDS (if not millions!) of times EVERY YEAR.

Guest
Guest

He also hung his dog by his neck when taking him for a walk. A cruel guy..

mart
mart

Quite right Will, he took the children in the first place, he also had some of the answers that Jackman was looking for and as for the illuminati cop solving the case, it was pot luck.. he got sent to her house by his fat superior to tell her about her son that had been kidnapped again (once by her!)

mary
mary

Plus… Detective Loki didn't save him…the movie left us wondering and I really think all us parents would go crazy and evil if somebody taunted us the way Alex did to Keller…Plus if Alex was so innocent why didn't he say something from the beginning?

falseflag
falseflag

I agree Alex Jones is a victim but still not innocent!!

maciej
maciej

I'm glad i never watched Prisoners, I am reccomend many Europen/Asian movies like Tokyo Sonata. They are not as so much mainstreem as these movies.

Define Mania
Define Mania

TV is created to consume the mind so be careful who you trust…

maciej
maciej

Do not worry. I do not watching TV all the time ( I spend <1h per day in front of the TV i do not need this), If I found something interesing (in TV) I began to look into this stuff on the Internet, in books about my problems ( like healthy lifestyle, foods, cooking, vaccine, GMO etc.). I'm not brainwashed like many people in the whole World 🙂

dogg
dogg

If this doesn't convince people that the movie industry is controlled by the OTO/illuminati, nothing will. Filled with bashing Christians, patriots, normal families, and exalting the occult.

I quit movies years ago as opened my eyes to the mindwashing going on, and the fog was lifted from my mind.

turnkey
turnkey

the Enemy was giving dominion over the air. pretty much covers all forms of communication/media. limit the sources, and the veil is lifted!

Aquinix
Aquinix

yeah….with the "eye twitch" what's with that? and he did it at very odd times too…made it easy to point out.

meg
meg

It does seem odd but Jake G actually has that impediment. If you ever see him in interviews he always does that.

EveryoneWillBow
EveryoneWillBow

Well this is a turn off. I guess they have to speed up the process in paving the way for the anti-Christ.

As much as people like the idea of not believing in the Holy Father or Anti-Christ, I must say that signs are starring at us every day. It does not matter if we choose to believe or not.

I would like to remind people of Saul's journey and experience to Damascus.

I wish I can do a screenplay movie on Apostle Paul's life. I am certain the truth cannot be told in Hollywood.

Oh, what about the religious movies coming out: Noah, God is NOT Dead and Heaven is real.

What is up with that? I am suspicious.

Jamestown
Jamestown

i find your user name suspicious. Everyone will now to who? This sounds sinister and I suspect you are Illuminati. VC teaches us to spot these things hidden in plain sight.

LOL
LOL

"Every knee will bow" is a reference to scripture when Jesus Christ returns all will bow down.

Think you're being paranoid mate and f that's what you get from this stuff I reccomend u take a break and go outside.

Free-thinker
Free-thinker

Not everyone will Bow.

LoveisLove
LoveisLove

too bad for those that wont bow

Bekah
Bekah

That's just it, everyone WILL bow as it will have revealed himself and his power. In a joyful manner, not sinister. Lol.

D D d
D D d

Even benders?
Because some ( read : a lot) make a difference between groups of people.

Yes, pun intended.

Illuminated
Illuminated

Which god are you referring to? There are so many.

Michael
Michael

Obviously a Biblical Hollywood movie will be blasphemous; either subtly or blatantly.

I think the story of Noah has strong NWO connotations to it. It's a story of the purging of the majority of people on the planet, with only the 'chosen ones' surviving. But with the Illuminati/Satanists inverted philosophy, the "good" people who will survive the Flood are actually the evilest people.

Nancy636
Nancy636

The director is egotistical creep. What you are expecting is not what you F___ING get. That is what the director said. Noah is cold, dark and uncaring, Methusila is a witch whom Noah looks up too. Noah is also a staunch evironmentalist. That his Noah, not God's. Hollywood will never give God glory, never. I don't watch many movies so this is just 1 less. I agree God is not dead but I think if people can stop everyone from believing then some how God will go away, like positive thinking. I hate to say it but they are thinking themselves into hell. That is so scary, they better be 100% sure, no errors. Good points you made.

Justtoomuch
Justtoomuch

Wow, looks like I got another movie to add to my, "Not gonna watch" list. Another insightful article as always, VC. No wonder Jake G. and Hugh J. was in this.

jellified skunk
jellified skunk

Yeah… Me too! I was gonna watch it, but I didn't know what it was… Not watching it now!

Uvm
Uvm

If you also watch the film les misérables that also featuring hugh j , there's this scene where he sings.. At the building behind him there's this drawing of a giant eye…. Preety creepy….

Frank White
Frank White

You could still watch the movies, and form your own opinions…

Johnny O
Johnny O

If you can appreciate a very good flick, do yourself a favor and reconsider your "not gonna watch" decision. Great story and script, but the players are fantastic, especially Jake as the detective and Jackman as the absolutely desperate, frantic, heart-broken father. Loki is now my all-time favorite film detective, having supplanted "Dirty" Harry Callahan. Good luck.

DJB
DJB

Very interesting. I thought the movie was absolutely terrible but now I see why.

Marq
Marq

who's Alex Jones?

john
john

Conspiracy theorist/ Whistle Blower

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

The most popular of his kind in America, and the only one invited on corporate media outlets for interviews. Huge radio show and website, and a youtube channel that garners tens of thousands per clip, up to seven figures depending.
If you'd like to see how he makes truth-seekers look like unhinged lunatics (his M.O.), search Piers Morgan/Alex Jones on youtube.

JoJoWorking
JoJoWorking

Don't forget Jessi Ventura who is also invited on mainstream shows.

ChloeBlue
ChloeBlue

Hoi polloi — So you think he's damaging the credibility of fall truth seekers? You don't think he's offered anything of value in all these years?

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

Yes, I do, and no, I never said he hasn't offered "anything of value." But, along with quite a bit of truth comes fear-mongering, outlandish prognostications (which damage credibility when they don't come to fruition), and intent to incite a riot (what with all the "1776 WILL COMMENCE!!!" dreck).
Most folks outside the truth movement who were to view (or, did view) that "interview" with Piers Morgan would surely recoil in horror, having a visceral rather than intellectual reaction. Then they come away thinking of anyone sharing views remotely similar as crazies. I saw plenty of evidence of this phenomenon in the comments on youtube. Sure, some could have been plants, but I doubt all of them were. That particular clip didn't need help from the paid trolls/shills.

Charles
Charles

He's really Bill Hicks, the comedian. Hicks death was faked. Hicks was reinvented as Alex Jones to create a false leader of the 'revolution'. Ventura is another fake as is Ron Paul. The list is endless in the 'truth' movement.

Toronto Gal
Toronto Gal

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but that detective Loki had a weird eye twitching thing going on.

Smooch
Smooch

Jake Gyllenhaal has always had that twitch. I noticed it more so in this movie though. Maybe they told him to just let it rip!

ChloeBlue
ChloeBlue

"Maybe they told him to just let it rip!" LOL Could be!

George
George

they said that the eye twitching u wrote about was gylenhal's idea… he improvised that by his own will

ATL
ATL

omg it bothered me so much. the whole movie he kept blinking super hard and whatnot. it really bothered me.

Jessica
Jessica

Jake Gyllenhaal has turrets.

Prisoners2433
Prisoners2433

His character went through an assault when he was a child so his eye twitching could symbolize his haunting memory of his experience coming back

Doctor B
Doctor B

Blinking a lot symbolizes stress.

BeanHead
BeanHead

Oh I Love the Last Paragraph!!! We Are Hated But We Are Strong and With The Truth We Are Winnnnnnning!!

moving on
moving on

very disturbing. i gave up on movies. they're just not worth watching anymore.

talya2312
talya2312

What a way to generalize. There are very good movies out there. Maybe if you looked into things instead of looking at things you might discover more than just judging films. Films, cinema, is still a great art form.

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

Meh. Name some of these "very good movies," if you would.

Perhaps there are some from overseas, but I really can't think of one courtesy of the Follywood machine in quite some time.

boutmyself
boutmyself

Not all the People working on Music or Movies are part of "the Machine"
Subtext, learn to read it (subtext is not per se part of the machine, sometimes it is against it.

apsara
apsara

Maybe not but they make life very hard for themselves on a daily basis by surrounding themselves with those people who are like a contagious disease. Same applies to those unfortunate enough to have been born into that world. It is a burdensome challenge to spiritually survive because they leech a lot of positive things out of you via simple association.

Pixel
Pixel

It's interesting how people are so quick to take offense when someone turns their back on a form of pop culture. It's almost like we are programmed to defend it. I mean really, what do you care if he stops watching movies? It's just one of many, many forms of entertainment.

Dana
Dana

Could you elaborate on why you think they used the name Alex Jones?

They Live
They Live

I think it's because Alex Jones is portrayed, in real life of course, to have the same characteristics the Dover character has and he also tells people to have these same characteristics i.e. Christian morals, preparing one self for the worse, etc. However, is Alex Jones(who has the same last name as the abductors wink wink) really that way or is he really a mind controlled slave/ prisoner of the elite who performs these horrid torture techniques on others. Some food for thought.

Sonya7811
Sonya7811

I can tell you a good reason why they used his name . Alex Jones appeared on the Piers Morgan show on CNN to debate Piers about gun control . Guess what ? Time Warner somehow controls CNN search their list of assets to find out what they own , and Time Warner Produced the Movie " Prisoners " can we say they made this movie to get revenge ?

sonya7811
sonya7811

search for the article titled " Child torturing Villian in New Warner Brothers Movie named Alex jones "

oh yeah …It’s all too coincidental.

Warner Bros. Entertainment is a subsidiary of Time Warner, the company that “blocked access” to Jones’ website and is led by CEO Jeffrey Bewkes, a current member of the Council on Foreign Relations — that evil invite-only think-tank that, as Jones has repeatedly claimed, secretly influences American foreign policy on behalf of the globalists.

Those “one-worlders,” Jones will tell you, would love to shut him down before he pulls the wool off the eyes of “sheeple” everywhere. They’ll stop at nothing — even subtly naming a hideous movie character after him.

What’s more? The movie is called Prisoners. What’s Jones’ website called? PrisonPlanet.

Whoa.

And there you have it. I just pulled a conspiracy theory out of my rear-end. Because that’s how easy it is. You’re welcome, Alex.

Dan
Dan

WTF?! Are you this idiotic, or paid to be. This is no coincidence, at some level ( possibly just marketing) the name chosen is deliberate.

sonya7811
sonya7811

Warner brothers is owned by Time Warner.
Time Warner owns CNN.
CNN has a horrible show with a Redcoats called "Piers Morgan Tonight."
Alex jones appeared on the Piers Morgan show on gun control.
Alex Jones ripped Piers apart before one of the highest audiences the show ever had.
It was so powerful that the segment producer was seen crying hysterically.
Alex jones was physically escorted off the set and the rest of his appearance cancelled.
The video of the segment went viral with 20 million views, backfiring on CNN, time Warner.
TimeWarner's philosophy is corporate synergy.

Charles
Charles

Uh.. Alex Jones is really Bill Hicks. What you referred to there was a publicity stunt…

ElleBee
ElleBee

He did elaborate. right under the picture of "Alex Jones" being all handcuffed and duct taped

Rte
Rte

haha Jones is very kinky.

Citizen Pariah
Citizen Pariah

Excellent summary as usual. When I watched this movie I pointed out to my spouse all the tricks and mind bending going on (after the film). We are getting better at spotting subtext, it's like one of those "Magic Eye" drawings popular in the 90's, once you learn to see past the jumbled surface the truth emerges.

Megan
Megan

Speaking of Magic Eye. Do you remember what their logo is? 😉

Jim
Jim

Enjoyed the article. Just more proof positive that Hollywood is working with the elites to turn people like myself, a veteran, former police officer, former small business owner, Christian, gun loving, gardening, livestock rearing, canned food in my basement because I don't want to be dependent on the government, conservative constitution loving white male into the enemy of this country. Oh I left out global warming denier and only high school educated. I couldn't be more proud of who I am and what I believe.

notsureaboutanything
notsureaboutanything

"There must be some kind of way out of here,"
Said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion,
I can't get no relief.
Businessman they drink my wine,
Plowman dig my earth
None will level on the line, nobody offered his word, hey"

apsara
apsara

Hmm, unfortunately Mr Zimmerman also toes their line, said so himself.

apsara
apsara

Mind you, I often recall ". and the Princess and the Prince discuss what's real and what is not' when I am on VC.

ready or not
ready or not

Are you kidding me with the Alex Jones name?!

Eve
Eve

Uhm, I'm sorry, could you explain this to me? Why is the name an 'interesting' choice? (PS: I'm not from the US and this is not my mother language so I apologize in advance for my ignorance).

Candice
Candice

Alex Jones operates InfoWars, a site on the internet that strongly supports prepping and reports conspiracy oriented news. The site is extremely popular.

Hail to the KING
Hail to the KING

He also tells many lies and is a deceiver. Could this be significant? I also Goggled the name and it comes up with an Irish 'celebrity' woman of the same name. Does he represent the sinister trickster hermaphrodite?

Chilling
Chilling

She's Welsh. I watch her everyday on The One Show.

apsara
apsara

Other than the Fake Bake, I can't see anything in common between those two! I doubt that they morph into one another alternately to cover two different time zones.

Megan
Megan

Alex Jones is the man who runs the InfoWars site. Just do a search for his name. Depending on who you ask, he is either a loony conspiracy theorist, a guy who speaks the truth, or controlled opposition. He's pretty mainstream for a conspiracy theorist. Personally, I don't trust him.

Sanat Toma'
Sanat Toma'

No ones asking you to trust anybody, quit acting so afraid of everything and just trust yourself. He just has conversations that are relevant, and everyone acts like he is some scary cult member because his brain is quicker than your own….. oooooh scary

Brady
Brady

What happened to expressing one's opinions? I personally don't find AJ scary but he has hurt the truth movement in a number of ways. He has misinformed on some conspiracies. Not forgetting his rant on Piers Morgan that made him look like a complete looney. A lot of what he says is information that is out there already, nothing new to reveal. The fear-mongering…I remember when he swore there would be race-riots during the Zimm trial, or the foodstamp debacle. All encouraging comments on his website that the world is out to get white people so they should arm themselves! Really! I stopped listening to the guy after that. He is a product-pushing, self-promoter and part of the divide and conquer agenda.

Pavlov'sBitch
Pavlov'sBitch

Alex Jones runs a very well supported platform called INFOWARS which is a psychoplogical warfare operation specifically targetting 'preppers and patriots', the many damaged ex-vets and anyone content to endure his diatribe. AJ has done much to damage the resistance to 2nd Amendment Right To Bear Arms through appearing with his chum Piers Morgan as 'the' voice of the American People against gun controls. AJ is accused of being a Jesuit frontman with some justification and has done individuals who trusted him, much damage. Yes, he broadcasts much truth but it's authorised (and usually someone else's research) as it's old news and his fake 'shock horror outrage'' at anything to do with pederasty (the correct term for p********a) is specifically tailored to appeal to 'red-blooded Americans' on the purely gut and emotional level, attempting to rouse them into civil war. Methinks he doth protest too much and for too long.

Chris
Chris

Yes, William Garner an author who seems credible said in some podcasts that he thought that AJ could be linked to the Jesuits. Garner himself was offered a show on the same network that broadcasts Jones' show on condition that he would not say anything about the Jesuits.

Bevin Chu
Bevin Chu

Dear Eve,

Dear Eve,

Alex Jones is a high profile talk show host on radio and the Internet. Depending on whom you talk to, Jones is either a comrade in arms in our struggle against the NWO, or an NWO shill who serves as "controlled opposition."

My take?

I urge fellow opponents of the NWO not to fling the "controlled opposition" charge around too freely. Accusing anyone who rubs one the wrong way of being "controlled opposition" may seem like "erring on the side of caution." But it overlooks the possibility that the NWO could be using the "controlled opposition" label to sow dissension among its opponents.

They Live
They Live

Alex Jones is a mind control, movies tell all!

Jack
Jack

this one is properly right.. I agree with you

jamie
jamie

wow..thanks. i watched that movie and it made me very uncomfortable, for obvious reasons. however, this break down made me realize why i was so over the top uncomfortable. thanks for looking deeper.

Truth_B_Told
Truth_B_Told

If the character of Dover is meant to demonize patriot, tea party, prepper types, then isn't it logical to assume that choosing the name "Alex Jones" (the same exact name of a popular radio host who happens to be a self-identified patriot, tea party, prepper) for a character who is a low grade moron is somehow significant, and also meant to demean?
For those that are disparaging Alex Jones (the talk show host), why don't you focus on errors on what he has actually said rather than just simply making ad hominem attacks?
The Illuminati's best strategy has always been "divide and conquer". Most of us just make it SO DAMN EASY for them.
So go ahead, take your shot at Alex Jones. Do you feel better? Then ask yourself what have you done for liberty?

ChloeBlue
ChloeBlue

Truth_B_Told — I tend to believe Alex is genuine as well. It's so easy for the actual opposition to run a smear campaign against him. They have the money, resources and PR connections to send any rumor they create around their media machine and make it viral.

Alex is a very high strung guy, so that doesn't lend to his credibility, but even if he were more even-keeled, all those who are obsessed with control and maintaining the status-quo would find a way to bash him.

Watch the interviews online that he does with Joe Rogan……
I just think he's a genuinely good guy frantically bucking the system.

Of course, if someone has some actual evidence that Alex is a shill or CIA operative etc, I'd really be disappointed, since I feel he has a lot to offer with his passion and tenacity.

Unfortunately, there is no way to prove it either way, but I choose to listen to my heart.

Phil
Phil

Okay for starters go listen to Alex Jones's Y2K broadcasts where he reported that 14 nuclear power plants were down and Russia had launched missiles at the US. Then move on to researching people who worked for him. I've also seen videos on YouTube where he disturbed legitimate protests in Austin TX for attention so he could report that he led the cause.

I'm not saying he hasn't served to help some people wake up, but he has done a lot of harm as well. I think he cares more about fame than truth.

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

He also bragged on an ep of Opie & Anthony's show about his whole family being ex-CIA…it's posted on youtube. Could just be it makes it easier for him to get info, or it could be he's admitting in not-so-many-words he is indeed cointel.
The way his outlet (infowars) twisted and claimed to "debunk" the FF theories surrounding the Woolwich beheading, for instance, tend to point towards the latter.
I'm with Megan and Pavlov's whatever on this one. I think his stock and trade is to marginalize the truth movement.

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

OH, and Phil too…my mistake. "I think he cares more about fame than truth." Agreed.

will
will

i concur.
he got on the boat way late , his initial reaction was dramatic over-reaction
he seems less interested in knowledge to see the entire situation
and act's or judges too hastily, he does appear to be very ego-centered as well

that doesn't make him fake it makes him ambitious IMHO (in my humble opinion)

that said… my caution is … one thing to remember about ambition…

history shows ambitious men beak things more often then they fix them
because of their lack of understanding, they serve two masters one being ego
historically ambitious men are easily bribed or tricked, once in a position of power

will
will

my point being i don't really know his history ,
but i can see aspects of his personality

john
john

Here is one of the problems I found in your article. Loki is clearly not always rational. In the scene with the guy who stole kids clothing he acts very irrational and police brutality level.

Johhny Utah
Johhny Utah

Nor is Keller acting irrationally, after all the police are the ones who found Alex Jones driving around in the motorhome, and thought he had the girls as well. It was only after the police mistakenly let Jones walk that Keller abducted him later and tortured him in hopes of finding out some information about his missing girl. He didn't just pick him randomly off the street. He also witnessed him acting strangely while walking the dog. [He almost killed it by hanging it w/ the leesh]. He did what any father would do, because it was all he could do. Christian, Jewish, or Buddist most parents brains would put finding their children as priority in front of any faith they may believe or practice. I think we all might have made that same choice. To VC's credit, he did spot the symbolism of Loki, which I found odd when I noticed myself, but never thought twice about it. Shame on me. In short, Keller reacted to his daughter’s abduction in a violent matter, stubbornly focusing on a sole (innocent) person. — agree to disagree, at no time did Keller think Alex was innocent until the very end.

KrackSmack
KrackSmack

I agree, any good father would have done the same. Between what Alex Jones said to Keller as he was being released, to the other disturbing things he witnessed that you mentioned….. To a desperate father it might as well be indisputable proof. He KNEW he could lead him to his daughter. When it seems time is running out, you've hit a dead end, and your faced with a choice: Child vs Prime Suspect… I feel that what Keller did was a no brainer. Even if in the end it was for nothing when Loki took care of it. That's my take on the situation anyway.

This movie was refreshing. It was a break from the typical portrayal of the politically correct "lets cower behind the system, follow the rules" mindset. I think there's a time and a place for everything, including breaking the rules and brutally taking matters into your own hands. Sucks for Alex Jones, but I would have done the same. Nothing is more important to me than my family.

ann
ann

Keep in mind – the people who reply and comment are merely expressing their own opinion. They speak for themselves only. Take all with a grain of salt.
The best idea may be to find out your answers sought on your own, and make your own opinions… rather than listen to strangers' ideas.

.

darby blair
darby blair

Here’s something to think about.. First off, Keller doesn’t lose his faith.. When he is thrown down in the hole he makes a prayer asking that his daughter be safe. that’s the last thing we hear from him. secondly, the person who is portrayed as the overall antagonist of the film is the crazy lady and she is, to me, represents occult stuff. her and the husband were total warriors against christianity, think about how the husband brags and boasts to the priest about killing children! if anything this movie is about struggling with the christian faith. Keller does what a lot of christians and non christian would do in the situation but he tries to maintain a christian standard.

gnear
gnear

They were not warriors against Christianity, they tested people’s faith.

carson
carson

So Christianity isn't a cult of belief? The idea that Christianity is under attack by occult is saying an occult is under attack by occult. Also how do devil worshippers work? Don't you need to believe the Bible is true in order to worship anything in it?

carson
carson

And if the Bible is true why root for the loser?

Rex
Rex

Because satanists believe that the Bible is wrong about satan and that he’s not such a bad guy lol

Rex
Rex

Occult means secret knowledge. Christianity and its doctrines are not secret. They are for everyone to who is willing to learn it.

sam
sam

This shows whats in store for us christians in the future. WE will be seen as the monsters and villians when the real monsters will be taking over the world. Sadly, the majority doesnt realize it. Come to Christ people! He is not dead, but alive! He is not an evil God that the media portrays Him!

talya2312
talya2312

I am sick of people bashing films on this page. As a film maker I find some of these comment very childish and ignorant. Films are not bad, nor evil in themselves. Films are just another form of art, and Art in itself is not bad. If people could look past things and enjoy art and creativity then maybe they would have a better experience. If a film offends you then you should ask yourself why it offends you. Maybe there is a part of you that YOU need to explore.

janet
janet

Do you even know what the purpose of this site is? It is not to "bash" films, it is to analyze them for their symbolism. The author is not criticizing film as an art form as you call it. There are just as many good films out there as there are bad ones. You're ranting like this was an attack on you personally? You're a filmmaker, great! Go out there and make us a good film that we can recommend to others!

Lily
Lily

People on here are right wing, tea party religious zealots. 'Nuff said.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I've never bashed a film on this site. This site doesn't analyse the artistic quality of a film, it looks at the symbolism and meaning. Some people may find that symbolism/meaning offensive, just like you are offended by the idea of people bashing films…

Balder
Balder

Very interesting article–I gotta give VC respect for at least the stuff not including Loki.

VC is profoundly uninformed and has zero authority to speak on Masonry– enlightenment and rationality do not go together at all.

The intellect and reason are tools that are utterly transcended even at the first level of solar enlightenment which is still below the Abyss.

You don't just say "BLANK is extremely important to the Masons" unless you are ignorant and don't know the application of the art.

apssara
apssara

Could you elaborate seeing that you are so knowledgeable?

JRS
JRS

Please enlighten us, what DO the masons find very important?

hoi polloi
hoi polloi

I think VC has a pretty strong hold on the "application of the 'art'." A quick peek at the "Sinister Sites" section of this website will prove that.

O.r.c.u.s.
O.r.c.u.s.

Intellectual narcissism:

ever at play
never at rest
minds that think they know everything
fail their own subject test

fiddle-de-fee
fiddle-de-fee

What you MASONS don't realize is that your enlightenment stems form demons, and demons LIE. You think you know what its all about, but you're not even close. Keep playing on your checkered floor and thinking you know what's really going on with reality. And remember, there's many many dimensions to this game.

nkiru
nkiru

thank u VC for this well analyzed movie. i thank God africans have started resisting the western govt and their trick.
Grace of God is sufficient for us all.

Sarahnp
Sarahnp

Thanks for the analysis VC, you spared me from making the mistake and watching this piece of oh-so-obvious PROPAGANDA! The left has always taken cheap shots at Christians, because there is no perfect "Christian". The name Alex Jones is intended. Making preppers and patriots out to be evil just points to who financially produced the movie, the progressive elitists.