The 25 Rules of Disinformation

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From Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) by H. Michael Sweeney. These 25 rules are everywhere in media, from political debates, to television shows, to comments on a blog.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such “arguable rumors”. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a “wild rumor” which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the “high road” and “confess” with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made — but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, “just isn’t so.” Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for “coming clean” and “owning up” to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

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When I was a child, I used to believe adults knew everything. Now I realise, adults are nothing more than grown children with all of the same traits and faults. Adults can be bullies, adults can be scared, adults can be naive, adults can be trusting, adults can be bitchy. I believe that the seven deadly sins are real and that the distraction they cause is what brings real sin in. Sloth, that is laziness….makes people passive and inactive to stand up against evil…thus it can come in. Jealousy means people cannot feel connected and believe that an evil is justly deserved to occur in the life of someone they know. Greed, driven either by a cruel, hard materialism, or by a fear of failure, means that we insecurely collect as much material wealth as we can to find a sense of security, all the while the £90 we spent… Read more »

A fantastic comment

Thanx vc, a great article as always… I suggest another disinfo tactic which has been very prevalent in my country: OPINION POLLS! they are so many and i believe they are being used to shape public opinion coz the results are always baffling to me. what do the other vc readers think?

You are 100% correct that almost all "opinion polls" are used in mass media to CREATE and SHAPE public opinion – not to measure what public opinion actually is. If you ever notice their little disclaimers, like "margin of error 3%" and crap like that – knowing anything about statistics you'd know it is nearly impossible to know that sort of thing if you're being intellectually honest about it – which they are not, of course – so they simply throw that in so that people will see it, and therefore believe "hey there's some scientific way they know this stuff, and they must be smarter than me, so I should just believe it". How many people have you ever known who told you that they were ever polled about anything? That's a big clue right there. Most "polling" is as much or more a lie than the actual news… Read more »

Certainly mate. They manipulate the polls to milsead the population. I don't trust them in any shape or form.

#26 claim racism and discrimination.

Thank you for the information – it has been helpful for me to understand the 'ploys' and thus more of what the persons particular agenda is, which in the areas that I make comments 'online' are 'spiritual Deceptions – and Delusions – and Deliberate Deceit' – using 'verbal semantics' – and dis-information – and propaganda – and outright lies – and personal attacks

A really good article. Our local talkback radio shock jocks have had all of this down to a fine art for years.

The real number one, which is obligatory in order to carry out all the rest: Be a soulless subhuman piece of s**t.

sounds like the job description of a lawyer

Like staying with family.

Wish you had a remedy for every one of these ploys!

A man testified in the Superior Court of Ontario, Canada. some 30 years ago. After testifying he left the court

room. The crown counsel for Canada (AECL) followed after him. They tried to bribe him. His lawyer had put

a listening device under the man'suit jacket. They had tried in the past. He had just given damaging testimony

against a large industry. The man's lawyer came out and removed the device. Both crown counsel returned,

towering over the man one said, " Mr. Paulson, we will disinform you and your family for the rest of their lives

for what you did today.." The man, B H Paulson. The industry: nuclear. The subject :Chalk River meltdown

1958, 210 cancer operations (plutonium). True danger of Low Level Radiation. FUN HEY

hi. the graphics at the beginning of this post looks very similar to the Fair Trade logo. was this on purpose? and if so, is the author of this post feel the Fair Trade non-profit organization is not legit? just curious.. sometimes, I can't tell if I'm paranoid, reading into something too far, or correct.

Most of these points are made by people who genuinely cannot understand what you are driving at. They are signs of their own confusion. The writer of this list should get used to the idea that he/she is much cleverer than most other people, and needs to tame his/her arguments, and present them in a *very simple and clear* format, to be better understood!

An interesting topic. my partner of 23 years, who never believes a word the 'alternative' press publishes, must have read this disnifo manual: He sometimes smiles in a most superior mannert at things that I tell him, or giggles (most irritating), or just avoids discussing certain topics when I bring them up. Our conversation is getting more and more limited as a result.

Oh forgot. Here is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY

I wonder why Jay Rockefeller want to shut down Internet?

The truth is the most liberating of all things, but as that line in "A Few Good Men" goes…

"You can't handle the truth !"

A wise sage once commented…

"It doesn't matter what you think we will all know the truth and what is correct in the end !"

These are the primary tactics handed down by the rulers of the world and used by the leaders who have a face to show on tv (or choose to stay hidden). These tactics are not becoming of MANY of our leaders natural person. Obama for example is an extremely intelligent lawyer who happened to end up in the white house where he was given the "law" that he must follow "or else". Its pretty obvious that our president is not a criminal, nor a fraud, or any other derogatory term people use to show their disgust. He is a VICTIM of the circumstances of being president of the United States of America. WATCH: If Ron Paul makes it to the white house, you will not see him have the ability to carry out 90% of his campaign. The white house simply DOES NOT ALLOW for this to happen. I think… Read more »
this article describes very well the tactics of evil servants. Just see the comments of Concerned in article about olympics 2012, he was using exactly these tactics…unfortunately my last answers to him were not published and the comments to that article are closed, but anyway i was not going to waste more time answering his nonsense, they were too obviously "time wasting" and depisting from the truth…the smart people got that and there was no more need of my underlining this fact. usually the evil servants are obsessed on the comunities where even eventually is spoken about the good and bad, the dark entities evil work. We the normal people don't go on their virtual places to provoke them or to make them lose time with stupid questions. Cause we are not fanatics, we recognise the sense of limit and we leave to God those who are on the wrong… Read more »

Severalminds……but sound ones! I say bring it, you can 'smell' them a mile away! Nice post.

Sounds a lot like trying to have a discussion with my family. *facepalm*

Great post – these manipulative tactics should be exposed for everyone's benefit. Wish this was taught in school. Thanks VC!

Sarah Pail is NOTORIOUS for using almost all of these tactics. Fortunately, she is a moron and doesn't know what she's talking about more than half the time and doesn't know how to use these in a way to her benefit and smart people can see that. Unfortunately, there are people who are even stupider than she is and that's why she has such a large support group.

oops, I meant Palin (Failin) not Sarah Pail. How did I miss that? My apolgoies

VIGILANT you should do an article on college and how its all about the money and totally a business now. a lot of people like myself who have recently finished feel cheated and al ot younger than me about to go feel that it is useless. that would be a great thing to talk about thanks!

Tonight, I looked at a glaring tv for a few seconds, and instantly an eyeball opened, I reflexed away from the screen. It was a mazda commercial.

The basic tenets of global politics, PR, sales, journalism, religion, the list goes on. Sad but true.

The saddest part of all is that there are many people who people implement these rules on a daily basis at personal level as well.

This sounds like the MSNBC handbook! Ok, O' Reilly, America's "most trusted news source" uses all these tactics as well. But I can't help but point out Chris Matthews, Eliot Spitzer, etc., like these guys take courses in deception. But deception is fine, as long as you're a loving liberal working for Government Electric!

^^^ "mislead" the population

I think that this exactly the plan used for church leaders etc. The more intense the ridicule the less we believe…right? Or at least the majority will go with that.

I see you just described Bill O'Reilly.

I am a Las Vegas high school student.. When I go to school I can't help but think that I'm sitting in a mind control fascility. I feel like I have to go on living two lives everyday in a way , a false ignorant one and an enlightened one . @ the same time I feel like I would be stupid to not do my best in school because I know that's pretty much how you get anywhere in this world .. But as I listen to my history teaches feed me BS About our gov I can't help but roll my eyes . I DO educate myself @ school .. Most of the time I am reading VC articles on my phone . My faith is strong and I do try to enlighten my loved ones .. But it's hard to live in this world .. Especially being… Read more »
Kudos to you! When I was in HS many yrs ago, I didn't have a clue. Of course, a lot more has happened since then. I know several 30-somethings who were thoroughly indoctrinated in HS & college into the Marxist/Progressive philosophy, and they know NOTHING about the Constitution and couldn't care less about it. They DID learn the all-important lesson to blame Bush for everything (for mostly wrong reasons). I did a personal study into Social Security & Medicare as a 20-something, and decided they were ponzi schemes into which I'd pay for many years with NO HOPE of collecting a DIME, yet many people even now think there's a TRUST FUND with plenty of money waiting for them to collect. It's sad that most Americans are spoiled/blind/deaf/dumb sheeple who are easily manipulated. The PTB have the game rigged. If you question the official story, you're a "truther", "birther", or… Read more »
My son feels the same as you, i advised him to treat school as a game, play it well, do well, but remember half of what you are being taught is not true. I have explained to him as carefully as i can without causing too much fear, that we live in a controlled system of which has made many humans lose touch with what is actually real and what really matters. He is 14, but since early age i have taught him the truth about many issues, everything from what foods contains, to ignore advertising and block as best he can peer pressures, to understanding the creation of money (fractional reserve banking) I was really proud of him when i attended his school evening as his teachers remarked on how he asks about everything, good knowledge is power. His history teacher has given him some low grades when writing… Read more »

@ Joanna , thanks so much for the reply . I really like that idea of thinking of it as a game , doing my best but never forgetting the truth . Not that I could ever forget the knowledge that I have gained . That was my point of posting here , to hear some inspiring words from people more knowledgeable (spell check!) than I am . You really helped (:

The PR's tools of engagement.

It's so funny how easily I can see through people's BS tactics, but it's even funnier to see them spelled out

Thank you VC. I downloaded that book to my ebook reader, gonna read it tonight.

i really appreciate everything you do for us, VC.

Talk about controlled opposition…this is the one explanation of 911 that the "911 truth movement/911inside job" won't touch or allow consideration.

I think if we can't understand this 'event' then we might not understand any now or in the future.
http://www.septemberclues.info/
If you really want your mind blown then go through these guys research. Try to leave the emotional impact of the 'event' behind and consider everything within this site.

…you will not be disappointed…

Take Care~Have Fun

The new V (sci-fi) tv series is a great excample of all 25 rules in action. That show really is a must see. Thanks for your hard work VC.

Thanks Sara, there's a lot a scamming going on in the world, there're only some people who are hard headed like the elites puppets who want to come here and cause a huge confrontation would want to derail us in our effort to expose the real truth that lies beneath. @ suitecase kid i said wishful thinking, i leave that to the creator who can hurt both body and soul.

Agreed. There are many shills posting on many different sites, the London Telegraph newspaper has many in the comment/discuss section but so many people flag them up as they are just too plain obvious! They usually comment about how great Barry/Obama is doing, or how 'our' Queen is so wonderful……. oh please! these people are either happy too be 'slaves to the system' or are shills as discussed in a previous VC article. Please can VC cover Chemtrails soon, as the amount over London is just getting crazy – i have taken so many photo's of this crap filling OUR skies in OUR world – how dare they fill our skies with this stuff! (maybe post film from youtube 'What in the world are they spraying')

i thought to hide a truth one speaks 10 lies,but its 25

Ps. The above comment may contain some spelling mistake or grammatical errors!

Ok i just had an epiphany not long ago! I just realized that there's ''nothing as the absolute truth'' everybody misses truth with lies to look appealling, if u follow a relifion or a political party, u get use to it and believe everything they say focusing on the positives with confirms ya dogma! Simply put truths should be accumulated from many sources not just ONE! COS THERE'S NOTHING AS ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!

I hate it when some people start talking about not being patriotic when we talk about our government run by the elite

what is unpatriotic about loving our country wanting the best for it wanting to remove the people who want to use it for their own agenda and are ruining our country and stealing our money allowing our sodliers to die and kill other innocent people

Do you think its patriotic to act like everything is good and let everything go down in flames and not talk until its too late

Exactly. Being truly Patriotic means having the balls to say what needs to be said, and doing what needs to be done to rescue our beloved nation from those who wish to destroy it – and those people happen to be the ones who have all the power and $$$ at the present time. You won't find anything remotely patriotic in the thinking of the top 5% of the wealthiest and most powerful subhumans who make up the ruling elite. Their goals go beyond national borders and sovereignty, and those are things they want to do away with as soon as possible, so that their "one world" tyranny will be possible. But it cannot and will not happen as long as there are intelligent, dedicated real patriots who care very deeply about preserving this great nation that was handed down to us by our Founders, who all fought and suffered… Read more »

Rachel Maddow's Law(s).

A lot of this has its basis in the 60s radical communist ideas, mainly Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" comes to mind…see below. Rules for Radicals In 1971, Saul Alinsky wrote an entertaining classic on grassroots organizing titled Rules for Radicals. Those who prefer cooperative tactics describe the book as out-of-date. Nevertheless, it provides some of the best advice on confrontational tactics. Alinsky begins this way: What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away. His “rules” derive from many successful campaigns where he helped poor people fighting power and privilege For Alinsky, organizing is the process of highlighting what is wrong and convincing people they can actually do… Read more »

just take a logic class in college they are all just fallacies using valid and invalid arguments it shows you perfectly the bull media uses

I've seen a number of these tactics employed in politics and media in just the past few days, esp. around Medicare, the deficit and the debt ceiling. This is a sidebar that falls more into the realm of fabulism than disinformation, but I've become newly reinsterested in James Frey, the discredited memoirist. He has such powerful friends from his career as a screenwriter and producer and his connections to the downtown NYC media scene that he got right back up from the scandal over A Million Little Pieces and kept on going, when having Oprah on their case would have felled less socially greased individuals. Look at the second to last paragraph in his Wikipedia entry – his next book is called Illumination, and is a fabulized 'last book of the Bible.' It takes some cojones to rewrite the Bible – I'll be very interested to see if it reflects… Read more »

That Frey is quite douchey, never heard of him until I came across your comment. Why do people have no respect for Christianity, as if he didn't exist. I can kinda foresee more respect for Judas than for Jesus. Totally ass backwards.

All I have to say is thank you VC. I truly accept life and society for what it is now and I've learned to listen to the voice inside that says "that's wrong, look again". We must always double and trust the God-given instinct we have. "The Truth will set you free!"

I think it´s matter of getting used to it and people finding out about the desinformation agents , how they operate and under which , let´s call it agenda , I´m hoping people it´s smarter than this, and being able to spot the desinformer and what he does for a living, I actually think they are pathetic , you may have a couple already with an eye on you , watch out … 🙂

A similar situation is known as:

Controlled Opposition

Controlled opposition gives us amazing nuggets of information, get us follow them like heroes, then ultimately spin us off into la la land.

Everyone from Alex Jones to Webster Tarpley are controlled opposition.

We talk a lot about controlled opposition here:
http://bit.ly/truthchat

Hey Mark,

Which show talks about Alex Jones involvement in Masonry? I'm sure if I looked harder I would have found it, going back now actually. Thanks for the site.

so what do you think about ALex Jones, I have heard stories about him spreading misinformation, but so many times he says alot of things I agree with. I heard his wife and father were part of teh Zionist movement. I always wondered how he was allowed in Bohemian Grove and was allowed to video so close and around so many people the cremation of care ceremony. He and Jesse Ventura allowed to operate openly and talk about secret networks? what gives? Are they exposing old school organizations to take light away from the real culprits? what is your opinion on him? Why is he allowed to spread so much against NWO if he is perpetuated as working for them? Also what about Ron Paul? same deal? I know one thing for sure, Jesus came and died for all the sins that our wicked hearts do here on earth. I… Read more »

I had no IDEA, I know what I'm researching for the next week now. Thanks again man. Just bookmarked your site.

I don't remember which date is was…

… But here's Anson Jones' gravestone – complete with Freemasonic "G":
http://texasheritagesociety.org/images/anson%20jo

And here's more:

Alex Jones is a descendant of the wealthy politician Anson Jones (born in 1798, died in 1858 in Houston, Texas). Anson was a doctor (dentist), a congressman, and the last president of the Republic of Texas from 1844 till 1846. Anson Jones was the son of Solomon Jones and Sarah (Strong) Jones. He was a member of the masonic Grand Logde of Texas, a member of the Holland Lodge (Grand Master), a member of the Harmony Lodge of Philadelphia (Past Master Mason)and an Odd Fellow (Washington Lodge, 1858). Jones County was named in his honor.

Can you say HOLY COW?

These are the tactics of fox news

I have seen these tactics heavily used by Americans who oppose Fox news and call themselves left and liberal. It is about time that this spectrum thinking is dropped. It becomes most obvious if you look at which parties implement which aspects cross country. You find out that it does not matter if they are left right, conservative, liberal or whatever. I find the whole party system very limiting to democracy and their task is even openly stated as "to help form the political opinion of the people".

The whole Shwarzeneger-Shriver thing was played out nicely to side track everyones focus real issues, wonder which famous celebrity is going to have an affair or have a drug problem, seems to be an effective way to catch everyone's attention

"I think there should be a mainstream media created by us the truth seekers to counter and expose the techniques and tactics used by the elite to spread “false(or in disinfo terms true) lies” perfect examples of which are: the war for oil in iraq and libya, afganistan, 9/11 and countless others. We should create a court that can convict world leaders who are in freemasonary as well as the illuminati, they should be convicted and charged for their crimes against humanity with their sentence being death by execution(with a guillotine of course). I wish i could say more my friends but it’s too much. For me this is just wishfull thinking nothing more. Thank the lord for this site(web not included)and for the person who created it(with good intentions i hope) and for the people who take time out to visit it. Without this and similar sites we the… Read more »

Please translate.

I understand your point. But the student loans now coming from the government have a twist. Once the student graduates, they can take a 'government' job with a portion of the debt forgiven in return. Obama talked about this quite a bit during his 08 campaigning so it alwasy surprises me more people do not know. OR…the kids can go to into the private sector owing the entire amount…..hmmm? Govt jobs also tend to be a bit higher paying (with all the benefits of course) than your entry level private sector. I do not like this set up, I do not like it at all! I do not like this goverment ponzi scheme, to which the college kids they call. Sorry my dork is on and I just read Cat in the Hat. Have a good one.

@sarah

if people weren't getting loans from the feds they were getting loans mainly from banks. so it doesnt make much of a difference.

sallie mae was giving out college loans so they can get you early. start your loans with college and then just heap it on top of your mortgage later on lol. how convenient xD

PS – this documentary is really good!!!!! College scandal…..

vcadvocate – another one of my unpopular posts, but here it goes bud – just cause I'm on your side!!!!
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/nia-why-americas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE – College education is the largest scam in U.S. history!

I particularly took offense to the rule in healthcare reform that if I had to get loans for tuition, it HAD to be from the Feds….but then the boys could pay it back by service to the government. Look it up!!! Sick

My SIL just graduated and said everything she learned in 5 years at $50K – she could have picked up in 1 year for free on the internet – but that wouldn't give her the 'piece of paper'.

I would suggest you take your question/s to the creator.

it may be that, no man (on earth) can answer without the purest knowledge and actions of the truth.

Your right with the understanding that things are going to change, we are defiantly on that road, we are currently heading there at an increasingly faster pace each year.

Take care of your life, its a gift.

I think there should be a mainstream media created by us the truth seekers to counter and expose the techniques and tactics used by the elite to spread "false(or in disinfo terms true) lies" perfect examples of which are: the war for oil in iraq and libya, afganistan, 9/11 and countless others. We should create a court that can convict world leaders who are in freemasonary as well as the illuminati, they should be convicted and charged for their crimes against humanity with their sentence being death by execution(with a guillotine of course). I wish i could say more my friends but it's too much. For me this is just wishfull thinking nothing more. Thank the lord for this site(web not included)and for the person who created it(with good intentions i hope) and for the people who take time out to visit it. Without this and similar sites we the… Read more »

I hope you were joking about the execution part. "Thou shalt not kill."

Suitcase Kid,

This is a widely-held misconception. The original language & context in the Bible means "You shall not MURDER". According to the Bible (OT & NT), the state was assumed to have the right & duty to execute murderers. Also, God told the Israelites on several occasions to KILL their enemies.

I was in a fundamentalist church many years ago, and some of its elders taught this erroneous idea that you seem to hold. My father came away with the impression that he must not defend his family if attacked. Of course, that was NOT Biblical at all.

I love coming to the comments to see people sparking ideas, and knowledge off of each other. I knew a very tiny bit about the topics here, sometimes its complete news to me,(I sometimes do take some of this with a grain of salt) and to come to the comment section and to see people connect the dots is just a really amazing thing to see, I really enjoy this "underground" news broadcast where 40 percent of the news is from the comments people write in. Links to other sites on the topic at hand etc. Now imagine if they censored this site and the internet as a whole… where would we meet up to talk about this kind of news? Maybe its time to start talking about a plan b? Anyway if I could recommend anything to Patriot, it would be to read the "Read This First" part of… Read more »

@vcadvocate

Rules #2, 5, and 19. You're a waste of time.

Goodbye.

@American Patriot

I have read some of your other posts and there is a lot of truth in what you say and there is truth in what others also say. This is a forum for exchanging ideas. Everyone should be welcome to express their thoughts. Those with an open mind will look at both sides and hopefully come to a informed decision about what is said. It is obvious that you are educated and well informed like some others on this site. Don't give up. Not everyone will agree with you.

@Sarah Conner I agree, just want everyone to know 'AMERICAN PATRIOT" is not to be taken seriously, he just sits behind a screen enjoying engaging people in meaningless debates, on topics of which he has no true knowlegde. Everyone knows what your up to from the previous articles PATRIOT you can give up now.

American Patriot already outed himself a week ago – in 'total' denial, or on payroll. The least he could have done was come back with a new handle and try again before going on the attack.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/10-ways-the

i know sarah connor. he's in denial. why is it so hard for some people to understand that people with money and power like having money and power and want more no matter how it affects other people? you would think it would be an easy concept to understand… there's examples of it everyday WITHOUT going into conspiracies lol

I just don't understand this. Why can't people just have a normal discussion. We don't have to agree with each other but we can at least be civil. There's no reason for name calling and the like. Let's discuss the issues and maybe we'll all learn something.

Don't be fooled, American is no Patriot.

dude you just did at least 2,4,7,9, and 18 :

whats the point of calling people out when you're doing the same thing they are????

You're statements are totally irrational and unobjective. It is obvious that you feel that your "truths" are the only truths. According to your statements you want to "convict and then charge" people with alleged crimes. This is totally the reverse of how it should be. It seems that you want to be in charge and execute people with a guillotine that belong to organizations (Freemasons, etc.) that you are not a part of or that disagree with your thoughts. It seems that you want to be the judge, jury, and executioner. I can only guess you don't believe in "Freedom of Speech" either. I truly hope that you never reach a position of power. That would be truly frightening. Oh and by the way there is a court that can convict world leaders for crimes against humanity. It's call the "World Court".

Mr. Patriot I have no argument with you and whatever you say will have no effect on me whatsoever, it must be a pleasure for you coming here trying to spread confusion. The facts are there for all to see. Use your knowledge for something good and please don't be stupid. And as for a position of power I don't need it. I'm humble and as free as a bird. Your an educated fool.

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