BBC’s Disinfo Piece: “Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?”

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Due to the exposure brought by alternative media, the Bilderberg group stopped enjoying the media blackout it once had. David Rockefeller said during the 1991 Bilderberg meeting held in Baden, Germany:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”

It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
– David Rockefeller, Bilderberg meeting 1991

Now that the cat is out of the bag, mass media have no choice but to report these meetings which, after all, include the world’s most powerful businessmen, politicians and intellectuals. However, instead of accurately reporting the activities of the event (i.e. the attendees, the topics discussed, etc.) the only articles referring to the meeting are condescending, borderline insulting, disinfo pieces such as this one from the BBC. The overall tone of the article screams out “non-objective propaganda”. Compare this article with the “25 Rules of Disinformation” described in this article and judge for yourself.

Some of the article’s features:

  1. Repeated use of the term “conspiracy theorist”
  2. Associating people who question the Bilderberg with terrorists groups such as the Hamas
  3. Repeated use of the term “anti-semitism”
  4. Associating people who question the Bilderberg with David Icke’s repitilian shape-shifters
  5. Those who believe in “wacky cabals” (yes the word “wacky” was used) have psychological problems: they don’t even “trust their neighbours”

So enjoy what is nowadays called “journalism”.

Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?

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Ordinary people can only guess at the goings-on at the meetings of the secretive Bilderberg Group, which is bringing together the world’s financial and political elite this week. Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?

The belief in secret cabals running the world is a hardy perennial. And on Thursday perhaps the most controversial clandestine organisation of our times – the Bilderberg Group – is meeting behind closed doors.

In the manner of a James Bond plot, up to 150 leading politicians and business people are to gather in a ski resort in Switzerland for four days of discussion about the future of the world.

Previous attendees of the group, which meets once a year in a five-star hotel, are said to have included Bill Clinton, Prince Charles and Peter Mandelson, as well as dozens of company CEOs.

First meeting in 1954, the aim was to shore up US-European relations and prevent another world war. Now under the group’s leadership of former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and one-time EU vice president, Viscount Davignon, the aim is purportedly to allow Western elites to share ideas.

But conspiracy theorists have accused it of everything from deliberately engineering the credit crunch to planning to kill 80% of the world population. Longtime opponent and US radio host Alex Jones, heckled one meeting through a megaphone: “We know you are ruthless. We know you are evil. We respect your dark power.”

Part of the reason for alarm is the group’s secretive working methods. Names of attendees are not usually released before the conference, meetings are closed to the public and the media, and no press releases are issued.

The gnashing of teeth over Bilderberg is ridiculous, says Times columnist David Aaronovitch. “It’s really an occasional supper club for the rich and powerful,” he argues.

Denis Healey, co-founder of the group, told the journalist Jon Ronson in his book Them that people overlook the practical benefits of informal networking. “Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended,” he told him. “The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.”

So why do groups like this cause so much alarm? Aaronovitch, who wrote the 2009 book Voodoo Histories, says plots to install a new world order have traditionally been a conspiracy fantasy. “They tend to believe that everything true, local and national is under threat from cosmopolitan, international forces often linked to financial capitalism and therefore, also often, to Jewish interests.”

Secret cabals extend beyond the Bilderberg Group. The Illuminati, which derives from a 16th Century Bavarian secret society, is alleged to be an all powerful secret society, including US presidents, that has controlled major world events. The Freemasons – famous for their peculiar handshakes – is a secret fraternity society that has become more open in recent years after extensive criticism.

The charter of Hamas – the Islamist party governing Gaza – asserts that the Freemasons are in league with the Jews and those unlikely bully boys – the Rotary Club – to undermine Palestine.

John Hamill, spokesman for freemasonry’s governing body in England and Wales says the organisation is aware of Hamas’s allegation.

“There’s no truth in it, freemasonry is apolitical. It probably arises because one of our ceremonies is about the story of King Solomon’s Temple. For some reason Islamic governments translate that into Zionism.”

In fact, many conspiracy theories surrounding cabals hint at an anti-Semitic worldview. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a forged document, probably created by agents of Tsarist Russia, which appeared to show a Jewish plot to take over the world.

Despite being proved to be a fraud, the idea has been kept alive by anti-Semites and has spawned later versions. One of those, the Zionist Occupational Government, argues that countries have puppet governments but that the real power is held by Jewish interests.

More recently, former sports journalist David Icke has proclaimed that the world is governed by alien, reptilian shape shifters. In other words, giant lizards.

There is obviously no right-wing monopoly on conspiracy theories. During the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Hilary Clinton blamed a “vast right-wing conspiracy” for her husband’s predicament. And more recently, some on the left have argued that the 9/11 attacks were organised by President Bush’s inner circle in order to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

The politics of cabals has always been pretty muddled, says James McConnachie, co-author of the Rough Guide to Conspiracy Theories. These groups allow protesters to project their own fears onto them.

In the US, the most extreme fear over Bilderberg is of a hidden cabal run by the European Union and threatening American freedoms. In Europe, the view is often of a free market elite trying to push through a right-wing agenda.

“Conspiracy theories are quite blind to conventional notions of left and right,” says McConnachie. “The left is organising an international government. Meanwhile, global capitalism on the right may be doing the same thing by different means.”

For Aaronovitch what often triggers widespread cabal theories are moments of great upheaval.

“It happens a lot when times are changing significantly. Whether, oddly, they are changing for better as well as for the worse. Why did McCarthyism happen at the time when US economy was growing faster than at any time in history?”

Society was in flux, the economy expanding rapidly and millions of servicemen were coming back from the war.

It’s not just the about social context. Some people are more susceptible than others to believing in wacky cabals, says Prof Chris French, of Goldsmith College’s psychology department. “It’s people who tend to be alienated by the mainstream, who feel powerless. They have a need to have a sense of control.”

Not only do they not trust the government, they tend not to trust their neighbours either. And in the need for control, there may be links to the roots of religious belief, he says.

The conspiracy theorists may get overexcited but they have a point, says Prof Andrew Kakabadse, co-author of new book Bilderberg People.

The group has genuine power that far outranks the World Economic Forum, which meets in Davos, he argues. And with no transparency, it is easy to see why people are worried about its influence.

“It’s much smarter than conspiracy,” says Prof Kakabadse. “This is moulding the way people think so that it seems like there’s no alternative to what is happening.”

The agenda the group has is to bring together the political elites on both right and left, let them mix in relaxed, luxurious surroundings with business leaders, and let the ideas fizz.

It may seem like a glorified dinner party but that is to miss the point. “When you’ve been to enough dinner parties you see a theme emerging,” he says. The theme at Bilderberg is to bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe, he says.

“Is this all leading to the start of the ruling the world idea? In one sense yes. There’s a very strong move to have a One World government in the mould of free market Western capitalism.”

Degree of nefariousness

Conventional critiques of alienated people seeking order in a chaotic world may well be true. But there’s more to it than that, McConnachie argues.

“The other explanation is more dangerous. That they are precisely right – they just over-egg the way they articulate it.”

The Bilderberg Group matches up to how a global conspiracy would work – a secretive body attempting to shape the direction of the world, he suggests.

“The only difference is the degree of nefariousness,” he says. “They tend to see this cabal as outright evil. When things are more nuanced than that.”

For all the tales of lizards running the world, we all owe a debt to conspiracy theorists, McConnachie argues.

“Occasionally you have to give credit to conspiracy theorists who raise issues that the mainstream press has ignored. It’s only recently that the media has picked up on the Bilderbergers. Would the media be running stories if there weren’t these wild allegations flying around?”

But Aaronovitch disagrees. Believing in cabals leads to certain groups being victimised and obstructs a rational view of the world.

“To have a strong belief in the Bilderberg Group means believing in a fantasy,” he says. “It suggests that there are people – like God – acting as a higher power. And it replaces the intolerable thought that there’s nothing at work at all, that the world is chaotic. It may be a form of therapy but it has people believing in an anti-scientific message.”


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What about JFK? Was he a "conspiracy nutter" too?

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match."

– John F. Kennedy; April 1961

The answer to all of this is simple. but carrying out what must be done may be the single hardest feet all of humanity has faced. There is no denying the Bilderberg group if very powerful. and if you truly believe and fear they will dominate and rule the world unjustly then you must revolt against there power. Where does the Bilderberg group get its power? The answer is money. All this religious talk in these comments is interesting but i wish not to dispute credit and fact or even citations of scriptures. If you want to talk of religion then talk of spirituality. The Hindus of India knew thousands of years ago that what people want first in life is what they desire. In the world these desires become known as wealth, fame and power. Then as you grow even older the mature and wise tell us to be… Read more »
The Bible flat-out says that there is a conspiracy, but it's all about how you frame it. Satan controls the world and its system. God has entered into the system to restore man to himself out of love. The conspiracy is actually the Kingdom of God brought to Earth. The reality is the World System, which is based on fear and control. People are deceived if they think they live outside of this system. The king of the Earth is Satan, and the leaders and people of influence worship him. Think about what all these pop artists represent – getting something for yourself, worshipping yourself, fear about what people want to take from you, how people want to label you, how to fight against the world. Everything to keep you trapped in the system. The only way to get free is through Jesus Christ – he's the way out.

and the very first secret society dates all the way back to Nimrod, so evil men have been at this for a very long time! There is also a verse in the Bible which speaks about God gifting men with the ability to amass wealth, which He will then take away to further HIS kingdom. This makes me think of the banks (and the Rothchilds specifically). Honestly, I'm more excited than nervous about the future in regards to the NWO, because I know the battle is already won, and I can't wait to see what God does.

"The theme at Bilderberg is to bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe," Prof Kakabadse says. I do not know why these types of statements always amaze me, but they continually do. Free market capitalism as Adam Smith envisioned it, has not existed in this country, the West, or the world in general for a very long time. The system that does exist is 'Crony Capitalism' or more accurately, 'Corporatism', where the corporations lobby to make laws that favor themselves and eliminate competition. After all, "Competition is a sin." The most succinct name for 'Crony Capitalism' or 'Corporatism' is Fascism, where the gov't and corporations have a symbiotic relationship; the politicians do the will of the corporations; and the corporations enrich the politicians and at the same time make sure that the ones who do their bidding continually get reelected. Of course, the… Read more »

ca·bal (k-bl, -bäl)

NOUN:

A conspiratorial group of plotters or intriguers: "Espionage is quite precisely a cabal of powerful men, working secretly" (Frank Conroy).

A secret scheme or plot.

A small group of people meeting in secret to manipulate an outcome is by any definition a cabal.

I am thinking that everyone should know something about Bilderger group by now. Just like they should know about the Committee of 300, Council on Foreign Relatuins; all having to do with getting rid of civilization as we know it……

ok ok what i dont get is vigilant citizen has sooo many cool articles:) and is a threat to the elite

the why dont they take this website down??are they scared??#

also who knew that the elite have tea parties awww bless(NOT)

If, as the conspiracy theorists believe, you are the group printing the money, why would you start a war for more money?

I cannot believe the FIRST sentence of your "endoftheworld" post is this…sorry i need to use my language:

cagata pazzesca

I ll let you the pleasure of translating from italian (my God, if this is the level there is no hope)

I find it hilarious that the writer ACTUALLY used term "gnashing of teeth" in this article, since: THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOON! (not to mention "wailing"). LOL…If I deserve hell I cannot IMAGINE what they are going to get.

Rich and powerful people working with other rich and powerful people to get more power and riches? Yeah that could NEVER, ever happen…

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New American Standard Bible

2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

http://www.practicalspiritualwarfare.com/signs-of

gonna quote Biggie Smalls " Picture me being scared of a n***a that breaths the same air as me"

Skulls&Bones, Bilderbergs, Illuminati, Freemasons.

There just people like you, and theres only 150, and your gonna tell me 7 billion are afraid.

cmon guys, why not storm the building there meeting is in, theres not enough of them to stop us.

We are the government, we are the police, we are the secret society that hasnt awaken yet.

Watch the movie its " A Bugs Life" the whole point if that movie is to say "we outnumber them 100 to 1"

so really are they that scary, no, there that much scared of us.

Rich people coming together to develop plans on how they can make themselves richer and more powerful? Preposterous!

Problem is, this has been allowed to go on for millennia, but evidently it goes much further than that: There’s a spiritual aspect to it, and a psychological. They even use subliminal messaging in mass media now. The reports of Monarch mind control and SRA are sadly probably also true.

So, not only is this wealth-hoarding wrong, the evils of this goes way, way beyond just money.

Jonathan Kay is an imbecile. I think I pretty aptly tear him apart in these two articles:
http://endthelie.com/2011/06/08/talking-about-irrhttp://endthelie.com/2011/05/09/if-you-believe-in

The latter is about the same guy who was in that BBC radio interview calling Jim Corr an anti-Semite for thinking 9/11 was an inside job.

What would happen if we totally disregard money, give it no value. The whole world. Every one is at the same level. No material posession would hold any value. The mindset would be that you can find a piece of gravel and a diamond together, look at them both, and not worry about the value. It wouldnt matter. That way of thinking was totally gone. How would the world be? Obviously people wouldnt have to work, but would they? Would people sacrifice their time if there was no reward at the end. Would people still be as motivated?

Who would be in charge? Who would hold the power if money didnt exist? Would it be every man for himself? grow/hunt your own food. How safe would the world be? Would there still be wars? What would happen?

Hello. We're the ones who control your lives. We make the decisions that affect all of you.

Isn't it interesting to know that those who run your lives would have the nerve to tell you about it in this manner?

Suffer, you fools. We know everything you do, and we know where you go. What do you think the cameras are for? And the global-positioning satellites? And the Social Security numbers? You belong to us. And it can't be changed.

Sign your petitions, walk your picket lines, bring your lawsuits, cast your votes, and write those stupid letters to whomever you please; you won't change a thing. Because we control your lives. And we have plans for you. Go back to sleep. – George Carlin

I cant believe how many times that article mentioned the elite meeting, in terms of not just political powers but people are are just filthy rich business owners, and sees nothign strange about this.

kinda crazy how noone mentions William Cooper nowadays, this man completely exposed everything we see not 20 years ago. Its as if people are scared to mention his name. Rest in peace mr Cooper. I will keep your memory alive. Research ppl, dont only rely on the media, ( altetnative). Cooper-Jfk, A sacrificed King. Cooper- Parapsychology.

We all have power no matter what anyone says. Boycott the shitty brands that give these people so much power and autonomy. Use more natural (nonGMO)foods opposed to buying the nutrient deficient waste they sell in grocery stores. Support local farmers do what you can to aviod contributing to the riches of the elite. We have the power to take back this world and be in unity with each other again, its just to open the eyes of the unaware and disillusioned. Calling others who do not know the ruth sheeple is not enough and that does not make us better than them. Thankfully there are individuals like VC, AlexJones and Mike Adams just to name a few that are concerned with bringing to the light the darkness and corruption of the elite few. I would be forever grateful for the impact this individuals have had in opening my eyes… Read more »
This is pure disinformation from the BBC and actually the BBC's NORMALISATION of elitist, secretive, cabals that have huge decision making ability within their nations and globally. Banks control Corporations who both control and work with Governments. Each attendee is a part of that supply chain. The BBC have tried to discredit any kind of FREE THINKING about such a group and come across all partisan, defensive and actually educating us into accepting this group like its no big deal. Dare you THINK then you are a conspiratorial moron. Like someone commented earlier – its no longer conspiracy THEORY but conspiracy EVIDENCE and FACT. They are here only for a term appointed but they are here as men and women in this world don't stand up to them. Have we have lost all moral and religious convictions (replaced by SECULARISM), balance, been dumbed down by TV/media and the new religious… Read more »
Thanks for the tip Christina. I too am finding it difficult to not "preach" to all my family and friends. Some of them get it and agree, some of them don't disagree but think I'm cute for believing it so steadfastly (really, there is just too much evidence not to!) and others are too caught up in pop culture and the treats the elite provide (reality television, pop music, hell even pop-tarts!). It is so maddening because I want to shout "You're being dumbed down and worked and controlled just like cattle!" Any day now I expect some guy at my office or my bank to implant our chips for buying and selling. When that happens I see everyone else who I haven't told or who refused to listen to me falling off a cliff like lemmings. I'm getting married in July and then operation "off the map" begins. If… Read more »
My pleasure. I see how many people have become so attatched to the mass media. After my initial frustration to their disbelief of the info I share, I feel sad that my brothers and sisters are allowing themselves to be manipulated. I didn't always hold this disposition. I feel blessed with the information that I am finding. Alot of people are scared of the truth or scared of change or lack willpower underneath their ignorance and stubborness. It's easy to become lazy from all of the manufactured food and drink they consume!! I'm guilty myself of not always having enough willpower to make all the changes I want in order to rise up. It can sometimes be a process. But When I see glimpses of light I want to share the experience of truth, Especialy with the people I hold dear. With everything that is "bad", there is an alternative… Read more »

SO. What we need to do is become rich and famous and get invited to one of these conventions in the future and SPILL!!

The fact that there is no author listed speaks volumes about this piece. Sure the BBC apparently doesn't list the author on articles, but I think knowing the name of who wrote it would probably reveal what agenda the person is pushing.

Try

"Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?"

The clue is in Tom de Castella. So know it speaks less volumes about the piece, presumably.

In fact, given you state the author isn;t mentioned usually, this seems to more transparant than most…

What's funny is members of this group have been quoted talking of a new world order, etc. there is actual footage of it. So it's funny the author of this propaganda wrote what he did, I guess he was hoping no one saw the footage.

Small question. Isn't the Hamas the democratically elected government of Palestine? They aren't just a 'bunch of terrorists' any-more than the U.S government or the Government of the U.K. Or maybe, they're all terrorist governments unless you happen to be western in which case you're excluded.

So cool i saw your comment on the Telegraph and recommended you ……. 😉 yay!

Maybe you come on this site because when you’re able to better acknowledge the evils of this world, it’s easier to be better. We can’t really help anybody until we help ourselves. (I try my best not to preach too much to my family because I’ m still learning and I’m not yet an example of what I preach. I annoy the s**t out of them sometimes :/ lol) Anyway Clearlyenlight.com has some good information about raising our conciousness and educate-yourself.org is another enlighting website. I visit them along with this website. I hope this information helps. If not, I apologize. Best wishes

Thanks for mentioning those site, it nice to remember not to get caught up in the fear and dread

I'm not big on getting biblical, but it is an interesting tidbit floating out there that in the "King James Version", the phrase, "fear not" can be found 365 times, once for each day of the Gregorian calendar.

Just puttin' it out there…

VIVA!!!

Your welcome. I've spent many nights giving myself anxiety over things I've learned. And then I realized it's not worth it n it's better to rise up then let myself feel defeated.

People believe in Cabals because they exist. Period.

Think of it: For thousands of years, where you were born dictated where you’d live, how you’d live, how you’d worship, who you’d marry, how long you’d live, how happy that life was, and where you’d be buried. And chances are, there’d be folks who were born into leadership positions and, barring news, would lead until their time came (when their children would take their place).

The only difference between then and now is that the people leading the world have chosen to hide themselves and have more things they can do.

Oh, so now WE are the ones who want to be IN CONTROL?? how ironic.

It's only logical to not trust governments, looking back at history, there's more reason not to trust them then vice versa.

so Aaronovich believes that God is a fantasy……hmmmmm

interesting

that they should use this to end the article…..

well

let's see what God has to say about it

i have heard that He's in the buidling….

announcements will be made……

let us see who will rule this world

God or man

i am bettiing on God

i am all in.

read/watch and repost people. logic and blind trust are not compatible.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-28/secret-b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

that youtube video provided a much needed chuckle….reposting complete!

“The only difference is the degree of nefariousness, they (meaning everyone on this site) tend to see this cabal as outright evil. When things are more nuanced than that.” Automatically trust the intent of the wealthiest people in the world who meet up annually with intent to hold private discussions about the world economy, which they control. Honestly, this is not in line with self-preservation, on a sociologic level. I would be a stupid animal if I were not cautious in trusting anothers intent on that level, where so many lives are ripple effected after their stupid dick circle. Am I paranoid about this group? No. I am right with my death, be it at their hands or not, no fear of it, not assuming anything more beyond death (which is a fact we all share). I try to be a good person, trusting, neighborly. Am I skeptical about this… Read more »

The shill that calls himself logicseeker has many name's, it's a pattern i've noticed. Well my friends same story but just a different day. Kids all over should know about this. Let them know and understand whats going on.

I read somewhere that in a disinfo article, they ask academic experts who are relatively unknown and tend to have different theories with most experts, but still in line with their agenda.

Never heard of Goldsmith College…

"It’s much smarter than conspiracy,” says Prof Kakabadse. “This is moulding the way people think so that it seems like there’s no alternative to what is happening.”

Well, at least they're semi-honest.

Glad you pointed this out, I was furious at reading that article by the BBC. Absolute nonsense "journalism". Not actually reporting on what was going to happen at this meeting but instead choosing to focus on ridiculing & demonizing anyone that has the temerity to question what these mega powerful people are doing having these secret meetings.

It's a funny way of putting it, but i feel that we are living in a "men in black" kind of world, we are the men in black we are the only ones who knows what's really going on, and the truth is too out there to even be taken seriously and the tabloid news (in this case the free speech media we find mostly online) is what's actually the truth… twisted reality :s

Secret Banking Cabal Emerges From AIG Shadows

'The idea of secret banking cabals that control the country and global economy are a given among conspiracy theorists who stockpile ammo, bottled water and peanut butter. After this week’s congressional hearing into the bailout of American International Group Inc., you have to wonder if those folks are crazy after all.'

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-28/secret-b

@Marie

Thank you very much for adding link – kind lady 🙂

Morbidly enough, I'm with you there. But the "conspiracy theorist" inside of me says it would still somehow be a part of their plan lol!!!

Yeah…it would be kinda funny if their kids decided to insure 'em to the hilt, blow up their respective "old fogeez" up for the cash, & say "screw it" to their evil planz & go party.

Kidz? Where are ya?

… I wanna vomit … who is Tom de Castella ? This guy? : http://www.tomdecastella.com/ this is the poorest site you can setup . 3 pages in 10 minutes . try clicking on the bottom and you ll run into a "Not found" . Err, what ? Who is this guy, anyway ? Man you got a job : here is 500 bucks and you write me an article . Let it sound ridiculous, right from the start, like you try to stop a kid s silly questions . make it clear the reader would be an idiot believing such outrageous stories . make sure to use our dummy argument list , it worked for years now . and quote, quote, quote . make it look like the whole world is laughing about that nonesense . contradict logic . and contradict historical quotes, even when they had been broadcasted all… Read more »

Thanx 4 putting my feelingz into wordz!

VIVA!!! 😉

The feeling I would get watching that Ski Resort blow up, with all of them in there, almost scares me of how much happiness I would get out of .

"The simplest explanation is always the most likely." – Agatha Christie

However, when something big or catastrophic happens in our lives, simple explanations just aren't as satisfying. We want a deeper reason and meaning and when it isn't given to us, we create our own. This is how conspiracy theories are born. Someone doesn't like the official story of a major event and challenges it with a made up version. Conspiracy theories can attract a lot of people, from big time supporters to those who just like a good fictional story. Whether they're "somewhat" believable or completely ridiculous they're fascinating but not real.

That's a fine piece of parroting right there logic seeker. Ever try thinking for yourself? The Universe is an immensely complex system of constantly interacting components. Complexity breeds more complexity. Occams Razor is bullshit of the highest order, hearing it from a man/woman with letters after their name does not make it any less so.

"….What is not so amusing is his identification of the Freemasons as a subversive cabal. This idea is popular among PCTs, especially with those on the religious right like Pat Robertson, who are also prone to be *ANTI-SEMITIC* " – http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html I always found it odd that for those like @logic seeker being a critical thinker involves popular opinion within a "critical thinkers" point of view. Its one thing to use critical thinking to show the faulty logic of those who don't do their homework about the Illuminati (which is correct, there is no group any longer) which is a LUCIFERIAN RELIGION that one is BORN into. But what about the countless books by manly p. hall, albert pike, david rockerfeller etc? What about the speeches or prayers politicians give addressing "the angel in the whirlwind"? nevermind the [pct] and crazy fear mongers – just look at the pop culture… Read more »
logic seeker is a critic, not a skeptic in true persuit of logic (truth). he/she is pretty much just afraid…that we could be correct in our observations about the intent of media and monetary system. In all seriousness, Logic Seeker, we want to help…read more about Edward Bernays, Rupert Murdoch, Goldman Sachs, birth of the Leauge of Nations/United Nations, Bernard Eastlund, Steve Kurtz, I could go on and on and on, these events and people…not too far away in terms of historical time to be deemed fact based (thats all I go for, really, then I let reality guide me to a conclusion) if you can cross reference what you read (which I have been able to) if you are so inclined, real more into methods of extracting natural resources, the turn science took because of our lessons in these methods and research EXACTLY HOW people turn profit on mass… Read more »

This person is a SHILL read his other posts ………… Logic why bother ?

@Logic Seeker….your posts are of no use or consequence maybe you should try your techniques on a more dumbed-down, uninformed crowd, more suitable and similar to yourself. This a forum of unplugged, well-informed individuals; so please go else where with your lies and false accusations. You are still stuck in the "illusion" and mind control techniques used by the elites.

-Come back when you can find your way out of fantasyland and into reality.

I presume that the puppets will remain to serve the cult. They will worship devil and the other evil spirits, will perform their sorcery and practise odd rituals. Whoever disagrees will be disposed.

ok, so once this plan is implemented, once they have achieved their ultimate goal to take over the world, whats next? what are they trying to achieve by having one world military. if they are controlling the whole world who are they going to war with? if they are planning on getting rid of 2/3 of the population, what requirements are there for the remaining population. who are they choosing to stay?

L.S. You don't back a single thing up and your rebuttles are purely based on assumption and bias. Yeah say what you want. You still stick out as an obvious shill. …

It seems as though you say everyone should be able to express themselves on this site, but you only reserve that for those that agree with you. You just can't stand it when someone disagrees with you and can back up their statements. That's when you start with the name calling. I'd say you're pretty inconsistent.

That's a cheap, dime-store psychology explanation and doesn't do the evidence any justice whatsoever. The simplest explanations are not always the most likely, regardless of what Agatha Christie or anyone else may believe. Darwin said that the cell would be simple yet science has proven the exact opposite. That's just one example of the "simplest explanation being the most likely" theory falling on its face. Investigation of the evidence is what determines truth, not simplicity. I don't want or need a deeper reason or meaning, just the truth. And the truth isn't always a simple affair. Using the term "conspiracy theorist" is by default a rejection of the evidence and proof that there are powerful forces out there trying to circumvent critical thinking in the public. Everything you've written can be reversed and applied to your own world view. The truth is that we're not discussing a theory, we're discussing… Read more »

Indeed! Agreed! …a little story…received a catalog in the mail @ 2 mths. ago. “The Great Courses”- “now enjoy brilliant college lectures in your home or car”…a cd or dvd selection of what they quote the “LATimes” as being from “passionate,erudite, living-legend lecturers.”

Well…”The History of the United States, 2nd Ed.” consists of 84 series. (numerological 3, folks, as an aside…) The titles of all are very telling, as are the order given. I won’t list all of ’em, but the final five are a bit telling in & of themselves. #80=”Religion in 20th Century America”, #81=”Carter & the Reagan Revolution”, #82=”The New World Order”, #83=Clinton’s American & the Millennium”, & #84=”Reflections”.

Each lecture= (only) 30 min. long.

I find this sooo…telling. This catalog is for “intelligensia”, which infiltrates all…

Just sayin’! Fight On!!

Logic Seeker – Deal with reality, before reality deals with you! That blog is laughable! Try this instead, you can thank me later. http://www.nwosurvivalguide.com/ – his video section is better than Netflix any day of the week. "[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading… Read more »
Last post on this issue. DEBUNKING THE MYTHS CONSPIRACY THEORY The elite, with their unlimited wealth, start wars for profit. FAULTY LOGIC If, as the conspiracy theorists believe, you are the group printing the money, why would you start a war for more money? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by using a false flag event, and they are wars over money and oil. It is far more likely that the perpetrators are the same villains constantly confronted by the Bilderberg Group on the world stage. CONSPIRACY THEORY The elite intend to massacre six billion people using synthetic diseases and massive death camps. FAULTY LOGIC Why spend forty years implementing birth control and life choices and not use the programs? Diseases are deadly to everybody including those who release them. The world has witnessed death camp ovens and will not let the same thing happen on a global scale.… Read more »

I think this describes what is going on here. I won't fall for it.

When the PCTs (Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist) do bring their conspiracy theories to the public in forums where they can be challenged, they are masters at evading contrary evidence and challenging opponents to explain this or that, which, when explained, is quickly ignored in favor of a new this or that that needs to be explained, ad nauseam.

http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html

It's ridiculous. To think that these people call themselves journalists. This is a shame to journalism, if there ever was anything like true journalism.

How can it even dare suggest that it is ok for these rich bastards to meet like that? If there really was nothing suspicious or wrong about the whole Bilderberg meeting, then why all the security and discretion?

They have something to hide.

if we know,it makes them no difference most of the masses are mind controlled already by tv,sports events,food and music , we wont stop financially supporting these corporations because our way of life would change drastically,its like we would have to go back in time and live like the Amish folks. Noone is willing to make that kind of lifestyle sacrifice, we the masses can bankrupt these criminals. by just refusing to buy their goods .if dont watch their "programs"the advertisers will stop buying airtime., if we do not take vacations ,which only serve as distractions fuel isnt needed for the airplanes and the cars.Im afraid that even if we all knew their plans for the NWO ,would they even stop and think of a better plan for the future? would the FED ever issue notes without debt? can all of our needs be met by the gov't and there… Read more »

I read this bbc article about 30 minutes ago before coming over to VC's site. I couldn't even finish the thing, the tone of the article was disgusting to me, dripping with sarcasm and lies. Any mainstream "news" story about "conspiracy" (truth) stories are just un-readable. Every word I read makes me angrier and angrier. And the comments section is often even worse. This is the first year I've ever HEARD of this meeting. Glad to know what's finally going on, but also disheartening to see the lengths they go to cover up what they're actually doing. Watched the movie They Live couple nights ago….highly recommend it! "They live, we sleep." So true.

These people will make their own beds, and eventually sleep in it. Don't let them get to you. Because they have to write stupid hit piece articles means they are getting desperate.

If people really want to make a stand, they should cause mass boycotts of illegimate news. MSM and the print advertisers who suscribe to properganda. Don't mass protest politicians. They don't suscribe to votes anyway, only dollar signs. However, the Properganda Media does. They need viewers to make money. Protest them. Shut them down.

The more they lie, and tell you nothing is wrong, everyone go back to sleep, the more they are called out for it.

Their bucket of soothsaying is dwindling fast. Soon they will be all out of lies.

LOVE THAT MOVIE! Obey the giant

BBC was just beating about the bush!

Speechless! a million things can be said what could go on in that meeting but man i wish the flies could talk bc there will be plenty of them there. All we can do is wonder and wait.

I was just talking to someone about the new world order last night. He asked me how is this new world going to be implemented? These are my thoughts and I told him that what I believe will happen is that the rapture will happen first– so Jesus will come back and take all his believers up into heaven with him . So think about how chaotic this world will be when millions of people have disappeared off the face of this planet.. it will be wayyyy crazy

.I believe that this will give the elite the advantage to "help" put the world back together.. therefore creating a new world order. what are your thoughts?

And while a group of very rich and powerful people meet to discuss things that they deem we should never learn, completely sidestepping democracy and acting like medieval chieftains, you sit there and argue whether a prophetic/symbolic/fictional text gives exact dates for the time when it will all be made good for you by Jesus. And all you have to do is wait.

I'm sure world leaders would like nothing better than us to remain distracted by feel-good prophesies.

It's so weird hearing about how the NWO desires population reduction and then reading about how so many will die during the tribulation….even though all the things that will happen will be supernatural and acts of God, I know they will give credit to Lucifer. Oh well, in the end, the truth will prevail!!

The illuminati or what ever you wanna call it intends to force their own fulfillment of scripture on their own terms, either in a desperate attempt to stop the true heavenly fulfillment or perhaps out of misinterpretation. Either way they will fail, their plans will be made confused as usual and they will be the ones ultimately destroyed

People waiting for the rapture are missing the whole point of it all. Earth is our heaven, and those demons or entities are invading our space. Its time people wake up, fight back, and stop waiting for someone to save them who may or may not come. There have been over 100 or more genocides through the course of human history. Just the deaths alone happing every day are enough. You would think that with all this suffering and death in the world, we would already have caused judgement day to begin, and Jesus or any other savior you want to believe in would have already swooped down and took away the entirely good people away from this earth. But has that happened yet. No? Don’t get me wrong, I believe in a higher principle and a God who wishes all life to grow and be in balance. And I… Read more »

I agree with that. The religions of the past 2000 yrs made us blind. The Bible itself was put together by the early Bishops. Only the stories which fitted their plan were put in. Also when they translated it from the original texts, they made mistakes because they did not understand what some words meant. So we must not take everything literally. No religion is the one and only. I believe in God as a universal power of love and the most important thing we need to learn is to love each other unconditionally.I believe also that there are powers in place who fight against the Good. Call it the illuminati or other organisations.

Illuminati doesn't lay its cards on the table. That cult is unprecedentedly devious, corrupted to its core..among other things, they manipulate sorcery to achieve their goals..

I have no answers for everything, what I embrace is spiritual faith instilled in me by choice..I believe there is God and His Son is my Saviour..that's only the first step..there are many more stepping stones toward repairing my relationship with God..

Alex, may i present some scripture that may shed some light on your thoughts? II Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you brethern by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto Him, 2 That ye be not shaken in mind, or troubled, neither by spirit , nor by work, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. So from this we see that there is no gathering to Christ until the son… Read more »

@ Powerhouse and Benesha:

I totally agree with you guys that religion may very well be a tool for 'them' to

use to keep us misinformed. And I too do NOT deny the existence of a God. Just

wondering if anyone has seen "Ancient Aliens" by any chance???

Please do watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m7UMwpex5g

You know what, prophecies can be attributed to visions and dreams, or in another way and that way resonates more with me. So think with me. If you were a wealthy old family in the year 400 or so AD, and you’d be around Constantine who at the time was bound to play the role of the Roman man who converted to christianity… following some (elites in paticular) but followed by many, via cunning tricks, policy, and an unhealthy amount of violence… you might just have an idea to invent a mysterious book and call it “the Holy Bible”… and in an attempt to convert Everyone in the Roman empire, including the jews, you then decide to call it “the New Testament”… and, you being an Elite Family, lay out a plan “for the new age” which should take incredibly long but be incredibly easy when working diligently with close… Read more »

Alex & Matmar – Grey is right. Pretrib is unscriptural – Van Impe is off about lots of things – but I did use to enjoy watching him. This will unfortunately cause mens hearts and faith to fail them when it does not happen. Prepare your hearts and minds!!! Matmar, there is no shortage of info on the subject, what we perceive as aliens, many believe are one of the types of demon entities – the great deception.

Of course Torisho – go to http://www.holyghostinthemachine.com/

If you join you can friend and email me there.

Sarah, I have been reading your comments for the past year. I would really like to message you. Is there a way that I can? – torisho student

and also the prefix 'Van' is Dutch andwas used in the old world as an indication of family lineage-but they primarily used the prefix to indicate someone was from an important family-

it's highly likely Mr. 'VAN' Impe is actually a part of the Van Duyne family bloodline- a very old deeply Satanic one at that.

first of all there is no person of 'fame' on any large television broadcast that is not an Illuminati operative- however, if you watch these people very closely on their shows they will give you clues as to who they are- on an old Broadcast Van Impe admitted that his family is from the Netherlands ( most famous Nederlanders are from the Dutch bloodlines that are very old like the Van Duynes)- also Van Impe once worked for Billy Graham- Mr Graham is known to be a Freemason and he is actually part of the U.S. extended Windsor family- I believe he comes form the Rockefellar family as they are well ensconced on the east coast of U.S. and in N. Carolina there is a large Satanic coven- Graham was born there…the connection of Van Impe to Graham places them on the same team via circumstantial evidence. Most of these… Read more »

Sirrah- how do you know this?

Jack Van Impe is a member of a Dutch Illuminati family- and I cannot prove it. His 'ministry' is simply there to make money off the sheeple.

I have a similar theory, but I think the rapture will happen first, then the NWO in full effect to lead people to "order", then Jesus returns and claims his throne and puts in place paradise on earth, as it is in heaven. CAN'T FRICKIN WAIT!

-I also have a theory about aliens(reptillians) actually being demons that might walk the earth after the rapture, thats a little much for people to hear so I'll just leave it at that. lol I swear I'm sane.

Hello Alex,

The Book of Daniel is described as apocalyptic; particularly chapter 2, 7 and 10-12. It complements the Book of Revelation very nicely. In fact, the Book of Revelation cannot be effectively understood without the Book of Daniel.

The Book of Zechariah is also apocalyptic but from the perspective of Israel especially chapters 12-14. The Book of Ezekiel has apocalyptic portions which are found in chapter 38 and 39 again from the perspective of Israel. There is also the Book of Joel which is a short book.

The Book of Daniel though is probably the most significant and is often called the ABC of prophecy. Here is a study guide that explains the historical and prophetic significance of the Book of Daniel in good detail. http://www.soniclight.com/constable/notes/pdf/dan

Catch 22

I hope the rapture will come first also, but there are two schools of thought on that one. That believers will be taken or that believers will have to go through the tribulation also. I am leaning on that we will have to go through the tribulation just from what the Bible says, but I know that Revelations has symbolism connected to the Old Testament. No one knows except the Father what will exactly happen and I don't think any of us can say for sure. We don't have that knowledge.

There will be no rapture. If you are a bible reader then you need to realize that as a false doctrine. A rapture is not mentioned in the bible, it's not even suggested. The anointed are the ones who go to heaven to rule as kings beside Christ. All other lay asleep in death awaiting the resurrection, like lazaurus. Gods day of judgment comes gets rid of the wicked all righteous goes on living/resurrected. Plain and simple

I will admit I have never taken the time to sit down and actually read what the Bible has to say about the end times. I have always relied on listening to people like Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, etc. I have found that there are people who believe the rapture will happen and then there will be a crazy trib perioud and there are people who believe that we will have to all live throughout it. I'm just going to read it myself. Should have done that to begin with. Is there another book in the Bible besides Revelation that talk about this?

Alex & Matmar, The Rapture cannot happen first. The Scriptures are very clear as to the timing of the rapture, i.e., "At the last trump". And that is just one example, there are many verses that prove the rapture doesn't happen until the end of the Tribulation. As for the New World Order, it is a reflection of the regime that will be put in place immediately after the great earthquake that will begin the tribulation period (three and one half years, not seven years as most mainstream ministers falsely teach). The great earthquake will be the event that triggers all of the prophecies of Revelation to unfold. The rich men of the earth and the people of earth will not be able to deny that the Creator of the heavens and earth has begun to judge the world of men. In their fear they will try to appease the… Read more »
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