The National Defense Authorization Act Opens the Door to a Police State

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The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) was recently approved by an overwhelming majority of the Senate. It will place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists. This law is diametrically opposed to the rights provided by the Constitution and opens the door to an effective police state. Forbes (of all magazines) describes it as the “greatest threat to liberties Americans face”. Here’s an article from The New American describing the law.

 

Senate Passes Controversial Defense Bill

In the midst of allegations of police brutality and police aggression at the OWS protests, the U.S. Senate approved a bill that is said to “explicitly create a police state”: the National Defense Authorization Act. The NDAA, passed by a vote of 93 to 7, virtually stated that all of the United States may be considered a battlefield, and therefore the American military is permitted to indefinitely detain any American perceived to be a threat.

Several amendments were proposed by both Democrats and Republican Senators, which would have deleted the dangerous provisions that would allow the indefinite detention of American citizens. While most of those amendments were overwhelming voted down, a single compromise amendment was passed that was intended to quell fears that American citizens may be imprisoned indefinitely, though skeptics remain uncomfortable with the final outcome.

According to Firedoglake.com, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA will:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

AddictingInfo.org adds:

A provision of S. 1867, or the National Defense Authorization Act bill, written by Senators John McCain and Carl Levin, declares American soil a battlefield and allows the President and all future Chief Executives to order the military to arrest and detain American citizens, innocent or not, without charge or trial. In other words, if this bill passes and the President signs it, OWS protesters or any American could end up arrested and indefinitely locked up by the military without the guaranteed right to due process or a speedy trial.

Both Senators Mark Udall (D) and Rand Paul (R) proposed amendments to the bill that would have weakened the more dangerous provisions. Udall’s amendment would have eliminated provisions regarding the handling of terrorism suspects, while Paul’s amendment had far more teeth and would have struck 1031 from the legislation altogether. Neither amendment made it into the Senate-passed version of the bill; the Udall amendment was overwhelmingly rejected by a vote of 37 to 61.

“The United States Senate has a solemn obligation to our men and women in uniform to pass a Defense Authorization Act, but we also owe it to those fighting the war on terror to prevent rushed, untested and legally controversial limitations on their operations. I can’t support provisions that I believe will hurt our national security,” Udall said prior to the vote. “We haven’t had time to adequately consider these provisions. We need to know what our military and intelligence experts — and our men and women in the field — actually need to most effectively prosecute the war on terror, especially before we change detainee provisions that are already working. I’m urging my colleagues to support my amendment so we can prevent a White House veto, move forward with the NDAA and reach a workable resolution on the detainee provisions.”

Senator Dianne Feinstein of California also proposed an amendment that would have limited mandatory military custody for suspected terrorists captured outside the United States, but that amendment was rejected as well by a vote of 45-55. A second amendment proposed by Feinstein that would have prohibited U.S. citizens from being held in indefinite detention without being charged or brought to a trial failed by a vote of 45 to 55.

In the end, Senators Feinstein and Lindsey Graham worked out a deal to pass an amendment that states, “Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.” That compromise amendment passed 99 to 1, with only Senator Jon Kyl voting against it.

As noted by the Huffington Post:

The passage may head off a showdown with the White House, which had threatened to veto the entire bill on the grounds that the section on detentions tied the hands of counterterrorism officials in law enforcement and the military….

Left unresolved by the new language is just exactly what is constitutional when it comes to detaining American citizens in the United States. But opponents of the original provision said at least it would remain up to judges, not politicians.

“To this day the Supreme Court has never ruled on whether it is constitutional to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured in the United States. Some of my colleagues see this differently, [but] the language we’ve agreed on makes it clear,” said Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who had been adamantly opposed to giving the military what he saw as greater reign over Americans at home.

“The Supreme Court will decide who can be detained; the United States Senate will not,” Durbin said.

One amendment seemed to pass without issue: Senator McCain’s amendment to provide for greater cyber-security collaboration between the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security. In other words, not only is all of the United States a battlefield, but so is the Internet.

During debate on the Senate floor, Senator Paul confronted John McCain, asking, “Would it be possible that an American citizen can then be declared an enemy combatant and sent to Guantanamo Bay and detained indefinitely?” McCain responded, “As long as that individual, no matter who they are, poses a threat to the security of the United States of America, should not be allowed to continue that threat.”

Judge Andrew Napolitano, host of Fox Business Network’s Freedom Watch called McCain’s response “nonsensical and unconstitutional.”

In a live stream, Rand Paul addressed the American people, asserting the dangerous nature of the NDAA:

James Madison, father of the Constitution warned, “The means of defense against foreign danger historically become instruments of tyranny at home”…. During war, there has always been a struggle to preserve constitutional liberties…. Rights given up now cannot be expected to be returned, so we do well to contemplate the diminishment of due process knowing that the rights we lose now may never be restored.

Debate on the legislation came to an end on Wednesday when the Senate voted on the cloture motion, paving the way for today’s vote.

Without an amendment to the bill, Americans faced a blow to their constitutional rights because the NDAA, as observed by Republican Congressman Justin Amash, allows the executive branch the power to determine who is a terrorist, whether they are a U.S. citizen or not. And without clarity on the language, that threat remains in place. “Note that [the provision] does not preclude U.S. citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary,” Amash wrote on his Facebook page.

The bill had the support of both Senate Republicans as well as some Democrats. In support of this bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.”

“It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next. And when they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them, ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer,’” Graham said.

The original NDAA has already been passed in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives with nary a whimper by a 322-96 vote. With this new compromise amendment, the House and Senate will now have to combine the two bills, and Senate leaders have given assurances that the Senate’s new language will remain, but that is not guaranteed.

President Obama, however, has threatened to veto the bill. A statement released by the White House reads:

“Any bill that challenges or constrains the President’s critical authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the Nation would prompt the President’s senior advisers to recommend a veto,” the White House said in a statement.

The Administration strongly objects to the military custody provision,” the White House said, noting that it could apply to people in the United States. That “would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets.”

However, not everyone is convinced. Daphne Eviator of the Human Rights First’s Law and Security Program said, “Whether he [Obama] will [veto the bill] is a difficult question because, politically, it’s difficult to veto a defense spending bill that 680 pages long and includes authorization to spend on a whole range of military programs.”

The American Civil Liberties Union, disoriented by the compromise, said the President should veto the bill because the military still acquires too much power through the bill’s provisions. “The bill is an historic threat to American citizens and others because it expands and makes permanent the authority of the president to order the military to imprison without charge or trial American citizens,” said ACLU senior legislative counsel Christopher Anders in a statement.

“The final amendment to preserve current detention restrictions could turn out to be meaningless and Sens. [Carl] Levin [Michigan Democrat] and Graham made clear that they believe this power to use the military against American citizens will not be affected by the new language,” Anders said. “This bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent. If it becomes law, American citizens and others are at real risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial.”
– Source: The New American

The only hope against this law is a Presidential veto. You can sign the petition for a Presidential veto of NDAA at the White House website.


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F obama
F obama

Enemy of the country and freedom . Why is the military letting obama take away our freedom . Because they are obamas puppets and they will kill you if he wishes ..

NinthEyed
NinthEyed

No one mentions the "93-7" ratio Senate vote symbolism? To me that says 36 to 7 or in otherwords Satan vs God or just plane Evil vs Good… Just something from a numerology dude.

silversurfer
silversurfer

I guess we need to hope and pray that the germans will come and save us as their repayment for helping them from Hitler.

jarah
jarah

Immigrants come to this opportunity.. yes..

But its a bit ignorant to say that's all they all want. A country would be stupid not to go into a country stupid enough to put all it's barriers down, become a citizen with ease (not even needing to learn english to do so) and cause any havoc they want. If there is, a "terrorist" in our country, letting it go through trial almost sounds moronic. Lets lets the guy float around and debate about it til we prove its true? yeah no? There's good and bad people in this word immigrants or not.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I'm not confident your article is accurate. I looked up Senate Bill 1867 which is the NDAA and it specifically states it does not apply to American citizens or US legal residents. I think we've fallen into the conspiratorial hype but it's understandable seeing that this was enacted when the economy is poor and more and more news are dedicated to veterans and a new movie about 9/11 with Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks being released. Anyway, here is the section I am referring to about halfway down: (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require11 ment to detain a person in military custody under 12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United 13 States. 14 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require15 ment to detain a person in military custody under 16 this section does not extend to a lawful resident 17 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct 18 taking place within the United States, except to the 19 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United 20 States. Maybe the President decided not to veto it because the bill was amended to also not limit the President's power see Subtitle D, Section 1031 (d)(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in… Read more »

G man
G man

oops nvm the dates got mixed up here

G man
G man

No responses since the 10th… Shouldn't we be talking even more about this?? It got signed on New Year's Eve while Baraka was in Hawaii… very suspect. And still barely coverage on it. wtf??

Psyche
Psyche

In response to what 'Me' up at the top said: "I’m from Europe and these days they are discussing possible measures for saving the Euro currency. Probably one of them is The U.S.E.- United States of Europe. All countries will lose sovereignty and the Big Brother in Bruxelles, together with the IMF and other elite banks will “watch over” everyone. Think about it, they have replaced the prime-ministers of Italy and Greece with members of the Trilateral Commission- Mario Monti and Lucas Papademos." You know who also wanted a 'United States of Europe?' Yeah… that's right. Hitler.. Look it up, that was one of his dreams before he lost the War and supposedly committed suicide… the Spirit of Nazism is still well and alive… and some say that Hitler didn't even die at his own hands, but fled to South America, where many Nazis fled after the war.. (also documented).. some say that even his daughter is well and alive.. and the Chancellor of Germany… Angela Merkel.. take a look at some of the things she has done in her policies and judge for yourself if that could be true.. Check out Benjamin Fulford for more information on that. Also… Read more »

RawBert
RawBert

@everyone who doubts the FACTS that a large majority of the men who signed the declaration of independence were freemasons….. Please please please, go away. Just stop it, go away, and don't come back until you stop looking where the puppeteers want you to look. PLEASE! just stop And on the subject of it all. I'm not going to try and provide elaborate proof of whether our country is or is not based upon freemasonry. What I can say is this basic point that permeates beyond all aspects of the debate. From everything we learn and absorb from articles on here analyzing the general structure, style, and message of all of these secretive forces, one thing we've learned peering into the world of mind control and illusion manipulation, is that sometimes false liberation, artificial freedom, or granted relief, can all be part of the total control that is occurring. Using a small scale metaphor, and transferring it to our big world picture, it's not hard to see that in the clutches of the constant manipulation of the deceiver, america is histories great example of a giant false liberation. A great deception, of laws and declarations, words on paper telling men… Read more »

Matthew
Matthew

We've been lead to believe that N America is the handler of England. It's complicated like the usual the egg or the chicken came first?

Gi Joey Joe
Gi Joey Joe

You All Need To Wake Up.This Is Good News It's For The Safety Of Our Children And Families.

SuperLuminal Elf
SuperLuminal Elf

What IS it with the word(s) “Detained” and “Detainment” and “Detention”?? These are bullshit softening terms replacing the reality of Arrest, Incarceration, Imprisonment —and the like. a "detainee" is a PRISONER: with no rights, protection, safety, respect or hope. Think about that. Let that *in*.

—And; BTW: there are no such things “Constitutional Rights”. There are are only Human Rights. We, each of us, across the planet, have them. The Constitution for the United States of America, along with the so-called Bill of Rights, secures Human Rights that we already possess from the Sacred Moment that we draw BREATH; with the Bill of Rights primarily being a list of restrictions meant to severely reduce the power of government to take away your God-granted Human Rights.

“Constitutional Rights” suggests that, somehow, the Constitution grants you something … it does NOT. It was never supposed to and cannot "grant" that which you already possess since Birth.

Love & Respect to ALL

Brandt Hardin
Brandt Hardin

The NDAA only goes to further stifle our Constitutional Rights without the approval of the Americans, just as the Patriot Act was adopted WITHOUT public approval or vote just weeks after the events of 9/11. A mere 3 criminal charges of terrorism a year are attributed to this act, which is mainly used for no-knock raids leading to drug-related arrests without proper cause for search and seizure. The laws are simply a means to spy on our own citizens and to detain and torture dissidents without trial or a right to council. You can read much more about living in this Orwellian society of fear and see my visual response to these measures on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/living

phil
phil

I started a petition to repeal this act. At the very least, it will bring attention to the unconstitutionality of this law. Please sign and spread. Thank you very much.

http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-congress-to-

ronin701
ronin701

I beg to differ, this bill doesn't open a door to a police state, in reality the people of the US are already living in a police state, what it does do is open the door to a military dictatorship………….

Liz Kirwan
Liz Kirwan

Well, Obama didn't veto this bill. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI

ha10
ha10

I am confused. Should we focus on the Founding Fathers beliefs or should we focus how they freed America? Without them, will the USA become free? Or will your grandparents be the slaves of the British? The founding fathers went through lots of hardship to give you guys a free land. However, you guys are just saying, "Oh these people are masons, they are evil!!" However have you looked at what they done for USA?

TRE
TRE

Indeed, what most of the American people don't realize (and that includes a bulk of our Congressmen) is that any power or authority not explicitly prohibited is actually allowed. So, yes, this NDAA allows for extensive abuse of authority, absolute tyranny, and a even a dictatorial (or more likely, a U.N.) takeover.

The existence of freedom in the world is on the decline.

Carolyn
Carolyn

I would love to see VC's view on this article or if ever possible a collaboration between the DW and VC or if ever possible between the three of them!! I definitely thing a lot of their previous research, articles and views are very similar and would be even more confirmation on the whole NWO, illuminatti armageddon stuff that are discussed on all of these journalist's sites and in this following article.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/99

rizzy
rizzy

hahaha man, im from canada and that's some crazy government lol. but hey, canada is what poland was to germany. the first nation to fall to usa. mexico is much more difficult. they will be backed by most latin countries.

Abdul
Abdul

now they will arrest all the Muslims and blacks blaming them as terrorists.

X
X

Opens the door to a police state? We're already IN a police state.

lehcen
lehcen

The symbol of The app store in apple gadgets is a masonic sign. Check it out

wethewhat
wethewhat

what. the. hell.

I. Tomas
I. Tomas

So, what I want to know, is what are we going to do? We know what's going on………..

rf
rf

Whatever we always do. Just move on and get on with it.

Shua
Shua

I'm scared for meself honestly.

I really am.

Weber
Weber

What I wonder about is what are they going to do to get 2 million Americans mad enough to qualify to be put in the FEMA camps?

I wonder if the delay between 9/11 and now isn't to collect names and they already have their "Terrorists" picked out for day one?

Or just end food stamps, blow up a few rail hubs for food distribution and turn off water and power. After two months they will have their population of "terrorists".

It's all about depopulation. Sea level rise or something like it is real and the cheap solution is to kill 95% of us. Then Police state.

cccc
cccc

"makes permanent the authority of the president to order the military to imprison without charge or trial American citizens"

sounds like something out of Nazi germany.

Drea
Drea

I am terrified. The Patriot Act, itself, changed my life forever. These laws being passed are, absolutely, being abused and having tremendous impacts on the lives of American Citizens. The power of our government and authorities are already being abused and used negligently, without accountability. leaving the victims, like myself, with little to no resources for seeking justice. It is a nightmare, especially when it affects you on a personal level. And these are powers that we are giving them…..don't be like me and wait to take interest in our civil liberties until it's too late to do anything about it.

Here's a video I found about this new bill on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rghhz_t5POo&fe…!

guest
guest

i know what your saying. the reality is; its already a police state.

i know but you jus gotta live. what goes around comes around.

And dont underestimate the golden rule of life.

Do unto others as you would have done to you.

God can work through us if we give up hate for our enemies and love them instead.

forgive them too because you yourself would want to be forgiven.

when we have hate in us we are in controll of the devil. God send us love and blessings but

we wont recieve it because the devil has already claim power over us through hate.

all we have to do is release the hate and the devil will take off like a wild horse.

when you fill yourself with love from God, you will find peace and happyness and nothing

or no one can brake you.

guest
guest

Why do i get the feeling that this whole world is begining to turn out like "Middle Earth" from Lord of the Rings?

………..Nine for Mortal Men "doomed to die", One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne.In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

Sure is! saruman the (evil puppet) will soon show himself. I dont think its Obama though.

Race Bannon
Race Bannon

Dear, Addressed persons I here present you with a Notice of Understanding and Intent. I am sending this letter out as a courtesy in order to avoid any further confusion or potential conflict. I am now expanding the reach of my discourse in order to maintain my honor and ensure maximum clarity between myself and all agents of government. After receiving this letter, please expect a Notice of Understanding and Claim of Right in order to ensure maximum clarity amongst all parties.As a peaceful man desiring to avoid conflict and live lawfully with maximum freedom, I have recently been studying the history of the united states along with its legal system and have come to some very interesting conclusions. After reading various acts and exploring the way language is used in those acts, I have realized that “lawful” and “legal” are not always the same. It also appears that all acts and statutes in US are only contracts based in commerce. Therefore I am now contacting the various government officials named above in the hopes that someone can either confirm or correct my understanding. If you do choose to respond with corrections, I must insist that you do so within… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Rex84?

Ecclesiast
Ecclesiast

No one will probably read this far down but heres another read I sure those wonderful gentlemen and ladies you've voted in are a part of http://m.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-sof… especially check the video.

Also glad to see all the gung ho contributors ready to take it to the man. That battle isn't here yet. Meanwhile. Its simple to fight the machine. Start at home. Grow your own food. Drink clean water. Support your local thrift and businesses. Start a community garden. Put your money in a safe. Buy at the farmers markets. Learn to sew. Hunt. Fish (?). Protest the war on american citizens by becoming text exempt because you don't believe your politicians are utilizing your tax dollars properly. Teach you and your family the Constitution as it stands. Learn to shoot.

guest
guest

i started to practice almost all those skills already and some i learned as a child.

i can sew and knit my own clothes. im learning to pllant and i keep my cash since the recession, cause i fear the banks might pull some stunt on us.

Kaizer Allen
Kaizer Allen

If Obama really wants to do something about this, he would do it voluntarily (the presidential veto) without further ado (petition).

Kaizer Allen
Kaizer Allen

I have a question. Why does the needed amount of signatures change everytime you sign or refresh the page? Last time I checked, the total signatures are 9,724 out of the needed 15,270. But now I refreshed the page, and it needs 15,276. Are they preventing the petition/presidential veto to happen? I just wonder.

Lauren
Lauren

Can someone please offer me the section numbers on the actual bill where this is stated? Cause if I cannot read it for myself, its just another spoonful of propaganda to me. Thanks!

downhere
downhere

http://youtu.be/DscwPz1ULds

so what do you think MTV is trying to say?

ShiningBrownOne
ShiningBrownOne

Goodbye U.S.A, hello New World Order!

Joseph Armagh
Joseph Armagh

After watching that despicable "jews only" debate where grown up "Americans" kissed ass" of the Jewish State of IsraHell, I am glad to see the USofA is down the drain already. You deserve the beating, the humiliation, the horror, the forced/hard labor and the famine you will all endure. Some may ask why? Simple: you as a people have no honor and no dignity. You let it happen. You only think about Dancing with the Start or the Kardashians…, in other words, only BS while the plan has been laid down on your doorsteps. You're going down without a fight so you are deserving of your future. On our part of the World, no NWO goon will show up, simply because we eliminate them unceremoniously.

AndreaM
AndreaM

I don't know where you come off spewing this vitriol against the people on this blog. We may be American, but we certainly do have honor and dignity, and we take offense at anyone who would besmirch it, disdain it or steal it, whether it's you or our disgusting politicians. In case you missed the point of this site, we are the people who do NOT agree with the actions of our govt., whether they are undermining our freedoms or bullying the rest of the nations of the world. Judging from you antisemitic comments, one could assume you are a Muslim, most likely from some country that's been receiving millions of dollars worth of "aid" from the US to keep relations friendly. Before you decide that our entire populace is deserving of some terrible fate, why don't you take a moment to give thanks to Allah for all of the wonderful things you have in your life that were invented and/or perfected here in America. Motor cars, telephones, electricity and the lights, stoves, washing machines and computers to go with it; sunglasses, blue jeans, sneakers, ice cream, movies, bicycles, hats and bug spray. Need I go on? You're welcome to… Read more »

matmar
matmar

Thank you

Thomas
Thomas

I don't mind an insular Britain, it's what gives some character and eccentricity to the country and its people. What worries me is the fact that they side with other forces which have a tendency to invade countries under the pretext of defence needs and democracy.

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

Hey James – here is a testimony I thought you might want to add to your research files on 9/11.

CIA Asset talks about 9/11:

independentamerican.org/2011/12/08/ca-asset-talks-about-911/

Victoria Rose
Victoria Rose

I can't believe I live in a country where the Wetboro Baptist Church is allowed to do what they do because they are protected by the first admendment, and this is allowed to happen at the same time.

john bosco
john bosco

what a lot of people dont realize/ recognize is that the person behind ALL THESE THINGS is none other than THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS and its master THE DEVIL. Basically, I think God has given the devil the final authority to rule the world and that is why all these Acts, Europe crises, etc etc and all illuminati laws are being passed in quick succession. God save us. The world is quickly coming to an end…

Silksoul
Silksoul

Halliburton confirms detainment camps in the US ready to detain up to 2 million "terrorists"
https://drstevebest.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/hall

diana
diana

2012 not the end of the world but the end of all human rights.

John
John

Well, there more that that! Check out the following article (don't freak out but you will..)

Senate Bill Would Legalize B********y in Military
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/animal-cruelty/

David
David

Yes, I heard about this bill. I am not so concerned about the animals as I am about human beings. I know b********y is disgusting and deplorable, but I guess I am more concerned about the rights of American citizens. These laws being enacted just reveal how corrupt our government is.

nice guys
nice guys

PETA was more worried about the rights of the animals and animals getting hurt. Fact.

David
David

I think what is most disturbing is that this bill was even considered, not to mention the fact that it passed the senate so unanimously. Even if Obama vetoes the bill, won't it still pass by a majority once it goes back to the senate?

A.R.C.
A.R.C.

I was reading this yesterday and I KNEW UD COME THROUGH I THOUGHT OF VC AS I WAS READING THIS!

HappyCynic
HappyCynic

Research TV fakery

With love~H

nice guys
nice guys

anyone following what's going on with the EU "emergency meeting" (I can imagine most in Europe are) but I think it's extremely interesting how all mainstream media is painting Cameron's veto of the treaty as "BRITAIN BEING ISOLATED" when british people themselves are mostly happy about it.

This is the best and most accurate quote I read about the situation.

"[The UK is] as isolated as somebody who refused to join the Titanic just before it sailed"

I wonder if any headlines will actually reflect the truth….The Euro is going down one way or another.

nice guys
nice guys

Oops and by Britain, I mean the UK!

Scitt H
Scitt H

Obama isn't going to veto because he cares about us, it's because this bill would effectively stop him from being able to send a detainee overseas for torture purposes. Anyone detained by the military as per the bill would automatically be considered a P.O.W. and international law decrees Prisoners of War do have some rights — not to be tortured if captured being one of them. When Obama said this bill, if passed, would take away any 'flexibilty' it was this he was referring to.

Don't let yourself be fooled. The man is a psychopath at worst, a narcissist at best and neither cares one small iota for any of us in the 99%, and probably most of the 1% as well if truth be told. He makes me almost long for the Bush years, and that is the most frightening thing of all.

Julie
Julie

Of course he's a psychopath and a consistent liar. He's a lawyer, what do you expect? Have you noticed that most politicians all around the world are law graduates?

Scitt H
Scitt H

I forget that most of our leaders start in Law, but of course, it makes complete sense from a strategic point if view. Although, like most good lawyers, during hs campaign for President, Obama never specifically promised to do anything directly, so technically did not lie. For example, his whoe deal about 'change' — well he never explained the details of what this change was going to be, just that it would require "great sacrifice from the American people to bring it about," then woud launch into a perfectly timed mantra for the crowds of "yes we can," which no matter he you say it, when played backwards sound an awful lot like "Thank you Satan!" Again having unwitting participants chanting in a mega ritual. If you have an iPhone download iReversi app and record yourself saying that phrase and pay it backwards. I would be interested to hear if others get the same results. Anyway, back on topic, Americans were desperate for something new, something positive and something forward reaching after years of suffering through themunfortunate misquotes, mispronunciations and obviously missing soul of little Bush that our minds filled blanks in the very well thought out, intentionally vague and… Read more »

AndreaM
AndreaM

I know right. Who'd have thought we could actually have a worse prez than Dubya?! At least he had morals, and stood up for what he believed was right. This new guy is just a snake oil salesman. Has anyone seen the articles/pictures of the Back of BO's head? Those two huge scars could only be from some major accident or surgery, but no one's said a word about them, not in even in his "autobiographies." Beyond scary.

EIRE OG
EIRE OG

I live in Ireland, a Constitutional Republic(almost), but the point is, in order for the Constitution to be changed there has to be a Referendum so the people decide Y/N, it seems to me that you, my American friends have a "Decloration of Intent" subject to the whims of the elite, In and Around power, at any given moment methinks Hobes would love the USA version of Constitution.

Just my tuppence worth.

God Bless.

EIRE OG
EIRE OG

Hi i'm here in Ireland, we have a Constitution, for it to be changed we have to have a Referendum so the people(sheeple) have a choice, I use the term sheeple in this case because we voted no to Lisbon 1

Liberty
Liberty

Obama would veto it because it would hinder the presidents absolute power to imprison who-ever he/she wanted.

President Obama, however, has threatened to veto the bill. A statement released by the White House reads:

“Any bill that challenges or constrains the President’s critical authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the Nation would prompt the President’s senior advisers to recommend a veto,” the White House said in a statement.

AndreaM
AndreaM

What recourse do we even have anymore as citizens? Writing/emailing our reps in CONgress won't work, obviously. Obama is incapable of doing anything (except making things worse). Protesting has lost its efficacy since the DNC took over OWS. And even if by some miraculous ground-swell of support, Ron Paul does get elected POTUS, would he even be able to stop it by then? I want to fight against this atrocious law, but how? Unless we pass some law that says citizens can start rounding these politicians (and banksters and warmongers) up and shooting them for treason, I see no reason for them to fear us.

Does anybody have any productive ideas? I usually like to think there's a solution to every problem, but I am at a loss.

nvra75
nvra75

Ron Paul seems to be "controlled opposition" just like Alex Jones, David Icke, Glenn Beck, Jesse Ventura, Barry Soetero, Sarah Palin, etc………..

i would also strongly discourage signing ANY documents of disapproval of government. ( we all know it is a pointless activity and is quite possibly a LIST "they" will use against us)

we (individually and collectively) must stop giving our energy to "the system"

this entails much more than most of us are willing/capable to do.

CerebralGril
CerebralGril

Does it or doesn't it apply to US citizens!!!???????

anony
anony

what difference does it make. the elite are above the law anyway. if it doesn't apply to citizens today, who's to say it won't tomorrow. honestly, i want to tell all my friends in the U.S. to GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. unfortunately i know my friends will laugh at me, call me a loon, won't give a damn about it.

Alexandra
Alexandra

Get out of America and go where? It's called the New WORLD Order, so it's not limited to any one nation. Might as well just stay where you are and deal with it the best way you can.

Of course, believing on Christ is a huge help!

kamwana
kamwana

No place is safe Kenya recently attacked Somalia after the kidnap of a French tourist by Al-Shabbab terrorists.There more M-16s and Humvees,than standard issue German G-3s and Landrovers common to the KDF.Now we have an American ambassador who is a Major(R) and the government says that the operation will be indefinite.

Some political analysts think that Kibaki(the current Kenyan president)Might use this to extend his presidency past the constitutional limit of 2 terms,this is his last year of the second term.And with another mad man (Ugandan Dictator Yoweri Museveni) also involved in the crisis this looks like it will be one long occupation.

Obama's influence stinks on this one all the way from the deserts of somalia.

Dont get so caught up in the grammar Ive learnt english from movies

anonymous
anonymous

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

It does not apply to U.S Citizens people

Alexandra
Alexandra

What if they decide to strip a SUSPECTED terrorist of US citizenship?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2010/05/07/

Strip a SUSPECTED "terrorist" of citizenship and they're fair game.

Syrus Magistus
Syrus Magistus

Al Qaeda isn't real. The so-called War on Terror is psychological warfare on the part of the U.S. Shadow Government against the American People. Anybody who opposes the absolute power of the military-industrial oligarchs is a potential terrorist in the eyes of the "Law". America is dead. Only 'we the people' endure, in this crippled emaciated form of life. We're all drugged and poisoned within an inch of our lives, but by God if someone doesn't stand up to these asshats in a timely fashion, we are very doomed.

anony
anony

This was why they had 9/11. Had the citizens of the entire world been more on its toes, been objective and not panic-driven, we might not have given approval to the U.S. government's cold-blooded murder of millions of innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and now Iran and the U.S. itself, all under the pretext of national security.

I'm reminded of a verse from the Quran:

"Believers, when an ungodly person brings to you a piece of news, carefully ascertain its truth, lest you should hurt a people unwittingly and thereafter be filled with remorse for what you have done." (49:6)

Also of that old slogan, "Bush lied, people died". Wake up people. Pray to God for a true way out, for true guidance and strength.

Godozo
Godozo

Food for thought:

The people start talking about Senate 1867 (which, by the way, still has to be harmonized with the house bill which does not have the dangerous parts), and what happens?

We get news about a 9 year old being suspended for calling a teacher cute.

We also get news about a boy being charged as a sexual criminal because he dared fight against a bully.

And they gets more airtime than 1867. Each of them singly.

Any wonder people don't trust the press?

BlueZoo
BlueZoo

OK, so has everyone here signed the White House petition at the top of the page? And sent it to friends & family to sign?

Old Hippie
Old Hippie

Hell NO!!

Do you think they really care about a petition? If you sign it and they see it all you have done is give them your name so they can find you and lock you up as a terrorist.

GET REAL!!!

Edward
Edward

I did, although most of the time it seems futile, and I have have a serious problem with the "We implore Obama" part as if he were a god-king of some sort and not a democratically chosen president of a REPUBLIC where only the LAW is KING. Anyway, just helping the cause with my little grain of sand even if it doesn't mean much, because I remember in 2008 how thousands of people and myself wrote to their representatives to stop the first bailout and we succeeded, but less than a week later the venomous snakes in the House of Representatives turned around and rammed through an even worse Bailout bill. Still, that shouldn't stop We the People from using every constitutional tool available to us to make our voices heard when our selected leaders insist in ignoring us.

Old Hippie
Old Hippie

I think you're missing the point. The site where the petition is happens to be the White House web site controlled by the government. In order for you to sign the petition you have to "register". Once they have your name and email address they know "who and where you are". If you're on their list don't you think you might be one of the ones they come after if this bill is signed in to law? By signing the petition you are saying that you are against them.

Edward
Edward

Let them come and get me, let them come and arrest those who stand against them. What will they do? Kill dissenters? At this point, what that will do is create martyrs, and they know that won't help their cause. But if they do, that will only show their true gestapo colors.

Old Hippie
Old Hippie

For your sake I hope they don't come after you. But keep in mind that you can do a lot more to defeat them by "flying under the radar". If they don't know who or where you are you can be a lot more effective in working against them.

stargarnet
stargarnet

So what if they come for us? I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees…and martyrdom can be useful. I never have forgotten what Hugh Latimer said to Nicholas Ridley when they were being burned at the stake "Be of good comfort, we shall this day, by God's grace, light such a candle in England that I trust will never be put out". And he was right, after all, today England is Protestant, not Roman Catholic. Those men were willing to die for what they believed in, and they changed the world. Well, them and thousands more…but they did it. So can we! Why are we more scared now than these men, being BURNED ALIVE AT THE STAKE?

Old Hippie
Old Hippie

@stargarnet

That's not a very smart statement. Once you are dead you are done. I think by your statements that you are very young and foolish. But if you really feel that way then YOU GO FIRST!!

nice guys
nice guys
LVB
LVB

Well, it's been made quite obvious by everything the Obama administration has said and done for the past three years that they most definitely believe that the greatest threat to them, and therefore their greatest enemies, are United States citizens. Civilians, no less. Not hostile foreign nations with armies, tanks, nuclear weapons and fighter jets…not rogue paramilitary elements or even highly organized and well financed international terrorist groups with large amounts of weapons and explosives – but our OWN people. Perhaps that is because too many of us are still alive who have actually read and understand this nation's history and Constitution – and we are well aware of what the federal government is and is NOT allowed to do. That makes us a threat to everyone in power who intends to bypass and ignore the clear and well defined Constitutional limits on the power of the federal government. So, ask yourselves, what kind of people would perceive peaceful, law abiding, well informed civilians as their greatest enemies? Only tyrants would think such a thing, and be threatened by the people knowing the truth of what the limits of government size and power should be, under the highest law of… Read more »

X
X

As long as we have government, we will never have true liberty. Government is the enemy of liberty.

(A)

Edward
Edward

We the people are neck deep in this mess. It's gestapo all over again!!! Everyone should look up some of the traits of what are deemed dangerous individuals or possible terrorist by the US government. Some of them are people wearing jeans, people missing fingers, returning veterans, Ron Paul supporters, anyone with a food supply for a week or more, alternative media viewers, truthers, constitutionalists**, people who talk about the Bill of Rights!!**It's ludicrous! How can people not see it??? Of course they can't! They're too busy watching Sweet 16, football, Jersey Shore or some other government sponsored distraction. I'm not saying you shouldn't entertain yourself once in a while, but man! this society is all about working, consuming, and entertainment 24/7! For God's sake our "leaders" are brazenly destroying the Bill of Right, and show pure disregard towards the Constitution. We are loosing the few scraps of freedom we have left, and fast!!

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

So True Edward~They are really trying to villainize Ron Paul and his supporters, which is ironic since the troops themself donate twice as much to RP than Obama, and three times as much over all Republican candidates combined. The Troops support RP!! I digress.

To see a list of what traits that the Department of Justice is now training it's "Justice Enforcement" team, please look through their handbook on Terrorism & Criminal Terrorism. It's eye opening!!! Pretty sure most of you who visit this site are technically considered a Domestic Terrorist.

And it's so condescending how often they refer to those who believe in the "New World Order". Ya know, the one Bush Sr and Kissinger have called for on record.

info.publicintelligence.net/DoJTerrorismCriminalExtremismTerms.pdf

Edward
Edward

Awesome job posting that link Sarah!! Thank you. I just abhor anything that goes against the Constitution of the United States of America or the Bill of Rights and whoever tries to undermine it since I believe that there has never been anything in recorded human history that comes closer to REAL freedom than it. All those Kissingers and "thousand points of light" Bush, all those one world communist Baal worshiping imperial maggots are rising out of their insane megalomaniac ancestors' graves to destroy the prospect of human freedom and prosperity once more and to achieve that they must destroy USA's sovereignty! Open the history books! Learn! Expose the narcissistic genocidal tyrants for what they are! We must not allow them to send us back into another dark age!

HappyCynic
HappyCynic

I'm afraid to study too much. I feel the left and right are 2 wings of the same plane. It's that fake wrestling where they go have a beer after 'fighting' in the ring. If I'm approached and questioned then I'm going to just play dumb, be polite, say no thanks and go on my way. It's already difficult trying to wrap my brain around it all and THEN be baffled at how people can be this way.

I love to learn and can't help that but….I don't know…it looks like 'they' have a problem with people with opinions so I'm afraid to learn so much taht I get too stirred up about it…just my two cents =)

Make happy memories as much as we can.

Mark
Mark

It's pretty sick that it's now basically in Obama's hands whether or not we (officially) go into a police state. I'm personally of the opinion that this is all a show and manipulation. Obama will veto the bill and look like a hero, guaranteeing his re-election. Of course, he could very well approve of it, and by time the election rolls around, anyone who opposes Obama-Biden and supports another candidate could be deemed a terrorist, so Obama would win by default. I don't know, it's all up in the air.

The passing of this bill, however, proves one important point that I've been trying to get across for months now…aside from a few social issues, Democrats and Republicans are one in the same. The proof's in the votes.

But I know one thing, if Obama vetoes it, all of my friends who are still up Obama's ass are gonna be impossible. -_-

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

Hi Mark! Unfortunately I believe that even if Obamanation Barry Soetoro veto's the bill, the motive behind it is much more sinister than just ratings. Too many American's haven't even a clue what has just transpired in the District of Criminals, so I wonder how many brownie points it could even score him. Not to mention the main stream presstitutes aren't even covering it. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. It's a fire shot to the patriots though, I'll tell you what!

The Real Reason for Obama’s Threat to Veto the Indefinite Detention Bill (Hint: It’s Not to Protect Liberty)

washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-real-reason-for-obamas-threat-to-veto-the-indefinite-detention-bill-hint-its-not-to-protect-liberty.html

N
N

I heard a rumor that interpole is currently investigating the "higher ups" including former president Bush. Have you heard of this? I'm wondering just how true this is…

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

I haven't heard that, but I certainly hope it's true! I believe there are people in strategic positions within the military, political realm and special forces that are being raised up right now to send confusion into the enemies camp. Many are praying for this right now and I invite anyone to please add it to your prayer list – I have!

Not that Malaysia can even enforce this, but they have declared Bush & Blair war criminals and will be holding another tribunal on Cheney and Rumsfield. I'd like to see those guys take a vacation there myself. Dirty little evil doers are running out of places to hide!

news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/22/george-w-bush-tony-blair-found-guilty-of-war-crimes-in-malaysia/

Sorry for all the verbose posts, just get all excited!

Growingup31
Growingup31

It's rather amusing to see the pot calling the kettle black. Mahathir himself has done a lot of atrocities during his regime. For years he has hated the Western world so it is of no surprise he would do anything to vent his hatred. Including this. He's causing a lot of chaos here with his comments and show of support to people best left to die.

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

@31

"Devil's playground is hardcore"….DSR~

They'll turn on each other at the flip of a dime. The irony is abundant, and it's like watching rats on a sinking ship. My point was not to elevate Mahathir, but TRUTH – Bush/Cheney/Blair/Rumsfeld are war criminals. I'd agree with that assessment if it came from the mouth of Hitler himself. Speaking of the devil, many think German Chancellor Angela Merke, UN liason is actually his daughter! I have no idea if it's true, but the information is pretty eyebrow raising – hmm. If that actually is true, man these guys seriously keep it in the family~ Straight up!

GrowingUp31
GrowingUp31

That is interesting. I won't be surprised if that's the truth, seeing how much these people love acting in front of the masses. I wonder whether at the end of the day, have they actually ever felt that all of their evil deeds are pointless? I do hope that one day they repent and are truly sorry for what they have done.

GrowingUp31
GrowingUp31

Hi Sarah, I just read this article. Not only in US the police state is becoming more transparent. In a small South East Asian country too do the politicians pass crazy laws. And the most disgusting part is that for this coming Christmas in just 2 weeks' time, carolers MUST apply for police permit.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/artic

I guess not only Americans have to fight hard for freedom – all of us everywhere must.

Ahsoka
Ahsoka

The USA is already a police state. You can't hold a peaceful protest without getting arrested. In fact, the entire world is now a police state. And this all makes me very sad. If people continue to remain asleep then the future looks very morbid.

Nic
Nic

You can't even protest peacefully as they are willing to give you a criminal record at the drop of a hat.

JWSO
JWSO

The founding fathers were Masons.

LoNDoN
LoNDoN

True, but irrelevant as the infiltrtion of the Lodges by those we call the Illuminati did not begin in earnest until 1776 in Europe. It was still some time before they had control over American masonry. The Founding Fathers were vocally aware of this plan and were not excited about it. See Washington, Jefferson & Lafayette…

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

For those of you saying this will not apply to US Citizens, you need to do some more homework. Here is a jump start! Americans completely stripped of all rights under Section 1031 prisonplanet.com/indefinite-detention-bill-passes-senate-93-7.html The Medias Blackout of the National Defense Authorization Act is Shameful: businessinsider.com/the-medias-blackout-of-the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-shameful-2011-12 U.S. Says Americans Are MILITARY Targets in the War on Terror … And Says that Only the White House – and Not the Courts – Gets to Decide Who Is a Legitimate Target blacklistednews.com/U.S._Says_Americans_Are_MILITARY_Targets_in_the_War_on_Terror_%E2%80%A6_And_Says_that_Only_the_White_House_%E2%80%93_and_Not_the_Courts_%E2%80%93_Gets_to_Decide_Who_Is_a_Legitimate_Target/16834/0/0/0/Y/M.html New National Defense Authorization Act Is Ridiculously Scary – The Daily Bell truedemocracyparty.net/2011/12/national-defense-authorization-act-scary/ FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders – this is NO conspiracy, these are real, ready and waiting. sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062 “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness… Read more »

what's Next?
what's Next?

May I add one more section to your list of proofs. The PTB are in process of preemptive preparedness:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/december

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

Thank you what's next! Everyone/anyone should add information they have on this issue, it's a biggin'. Sharing is Caring in my world and it's time we get a little louder with our friends, family and anyone who will listen. Last few months I've been visiting with my local Sheriff's handing out articles on what Sherrif's are doing around the country – RESISTING the FED'S!!! With success I might add, lots going on in that regard. It makes me very happy to see what some of these guys are doing. They actually have more power, IF they will just use it. In their packets are also included articles from Oathkeepers and Sheriff Mack – look him up! Went to some local pastor's and are SHAKING them up a bit with some 9/11 truth, because I believe it to be one of the biggest stumbling blocks to get the big picture of what is going on in this country and how far we have allowed it to go. I believe they need to wake up to properly lead their congregations during these times. God's on it! Even went to testify at a Congressional hearing on an issue near and dear to my… Read more »

Collin
Collin

This is actually inaccurate – Harry Reid and others pushed through an amendment to the text before it passed so that the provisions on detention do not apply to US citizens, lawful residents, or others arrested on US soil.

Lacerta
Lacerta

The Udall Amendment forbidding the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens was rejected by a vote of 38-60. Nice try tho, but you are either misinformed, uninformed or you are spreading disinfo on purpose which makes you enemy of the people.

Pyotr
Pyotr

10 (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be

11 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to

12 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident

13 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are

14 captured or arrested in the United States.

Section 1031 does not apply to U.S. citizens.

Oh Vigilant
Oh Vigilant

Adding to what you said:

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY

-(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

– -(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

This is in the passed version. It looks like it doesn't apply to CITIZENS, just maybe anyone else?

nRv
nRv

This is when I say….Wth?

Q
Q

I dont think they would do that. Its to keep America safe.

aj
aj

thanks, keep up the great work vigilant…

This is only the beg
This is only the beg

Well I can imagine Obama will indeed veto this, stopping this bill in order to make him look like a good guy however… What if another attack would happen in USA, f.ex an another "attack from Al – Qaida" . Of course would this bill come in handy then? In other words: Illuminati will start once again panic in USA, the people will consume this panic and voilà, the president mention this bill once again to "his" people, the same bill he once vetoed against. A bill who at that moment won't take away the peoples right but instead will secure them from "outside threat".

During a crisis, belive me, people WILL get dumber than you think. Remember 9/11?

If we combine this bill with mobile phones, app, facebook etc – tracking, then Illuminati can finally "eliminate" (soon it truly will be eliminating people) the enimes within the country, f.ex us so called "conspiracy people" . Slowly but steady, will USA , no I mean, Illuminati get full control. However, it is now up to us to either stop this or… just let it happen while we discuss how bad this is…

Free
Free

Pre-martial law.

Iniquity
Iniquity

While the people sleep…to comfortable to face it…as history repeats so foul you can taste it…

chizeled
chizeled

Obama and the Democrats added that gem to the bill so that Obama will appear to be a hero when he vetoes it. Obama is trying to get reelected, remember? He wants to deceive Americans and the rest of the world into believing that he actually cares about anyone other than himself. Obama and the Democrats' real agenda is to have some excuse to veto military spending. Obama is trying to weaken the US military in an effort to subjugate it and the U.S. to Islam's caliphate. That bill actually authorizes the military to label Obama, Hillary, their administration, and their families as terrorists too and indefinitely detain them. Obama won't let that happen.

nRv
nRv

That is pretty unreasonable. Even if Obama is doing this to get reelected, it's the senates fault for passing this. It's just stupid.

nRv
nRv

I don't understand. I really don't. We're trying to protect ourselves, yes, but why would we accuse ourselves then? Do these politicians know how it feels to be accused? Are they Korean or Arabian or Russian? Do they know how it feels like to be innocent and to be accused? WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, even though we may be poor immigrants, came here for a better country. Not a country that will suspect its citizens and take away our rights. The Founding Fathers would negate this "Act", as it should be negated. So what can we do?

Will we turn into some government working, military land, that calls ourselves free, all the while being tracked and searched by hundreds of dreaded paranoid politicians?

So help us God.

Godozo
Godozo

Obama to appear as the hero when he vetoes it?

Don't bet anything on THAT. IF he vetoes that bill, watch the Republicans strike by declaring a version of what you're doing already – that he's weakening America's defenses. Indeed, it's already happening and Obama had to respond to it.

It's a defense bill. He may be a wimp and a quisling to the far right, but he ain't stupid. He knows that much of the left will vote for him because of their fear of anything to the right of him and that the urban blacks pretty much remain in his pocket. He's worried about the middle…and that middle wants a strong defense.

He'll sign the bill into law. He'd lose more than gain by a veto.

locust
locust

– fighting the war on terror – I would like to explain the situation, yet and once again, so that you understand how we all got into this insanity. I end, as usual, with a plea. After 9/11 Congress passed an insane law that started a war that will go on forever unless we stop it. The alleged goal of this war is to forever prevent future terrorism. I'm still waiting for someone to explain when that will be, when we can have our victory parade because all future terrorism has been prevented. Have I mentioned yet how insane this is? The PTBs (Powers That Be) use this state of continuous war to cow the sheeple, suppress those angry enough to complain openly in public parks, and subjugate those unfortunates who live where there are yummy resources to steal. That's called National Security. Public Law 107-40 is eerily similar to the Reichstag Fire Decree which turned democratic Weimar Germany into the Third Reich. Of course, Bush had to get his ideas from somewhere since his last original idea involved kegs and coke. This law declared war against enemies to be named later. Bush named al-Qaeda and the Taliban so as… Read more »

JoppyKazoo
JoppyKazoo

Oh brother, 1984 time.

Essential Truth
Essential Truth

With the way things are going right now…2012 will make 1984 sound like a Caribbean getaway cruise. I honestly believe the US is preparing for a major war with Iran ..where Martial Law will be the way of life in America and many other countries in the world. A world war is something i wish to never witness in my life, but anyone who has seen the Republican National Security Debate knows the reality of WW3 is more serious now than ever before. It was like a competition for who the bigger Terrorist is.. aside from Ron Paul, every candidate spoke openly of how they would break all kinds of international laws, terrorizing Iranians in order to "stop their nuclear weapons program". Everything might seem okay right now for many ..i mean the NBA's back on Christmas & Obama's dog might be healthy, but when people start going missing and the Fed's begin reciting the National Defense Authorization Act to worried loved ones ..people will know what time it is.

me
me

Before the world wars there were economic crisis. It is not me who says it, but experts have affirmed that the only two solutions for the crisis are inflation and war. Inflation showed its limits.

MissLambert
MissLambert

That's what the phone tracking and all that facebook and app tracking is for. They can decide whose "activities" they don't approve of, call them a terrorist and detain them indefinitely. Part of the plan all along. Those who still doubt, pray for them. Better yet, pray for us all.

Hastings Wolfe
Hastings Wolfe

First on the list will be visitors to Vigilant Citizen @_@

Kels
Kels

Lol my thoughts exactly

Alexandra
Alexandra

So much for land of the free.

CarefullObserver
CarefullObserver

…yeah, now it's "land of the frayed and home of the slave"

listen
listen

so this is the reason for 9/11 this the goal for creating the terrorist thing

eek
eek

or "home of the brave", seems like everyone here is scared of their own shadows now

kamwana
kamwana

Is it possible people who have little perception of what is going on will be waiting to see a sexy police state as portrayed in Gaga and her kinds music videos?

Voice of Reason
Voice of Reason

Hi! While watching those vids, I don't think the uninformed will recognize what's actually being portrayed…a police state. Instead, they'll think that the people wearing uniforms are Gaga's (or whoever's) bodyguards, or her army…meaning that they're at her command, and she's powerful…and that, if they 'follow her' then they, too, will be powerful.

What's most disturbing of all is that they'll automatically embrace this conclusion, without even a second's logical thought or consideration.

Nate
Nate

This goes against everything the Founding Fathers stood for. There are so many parts of the Constitution this violates I don't know where to begin.

Paula
Paula

I know where to begin. The first Amendment.

JC
JC

The SC will just overturn this for sure if ever.

annonymous
annonymous

Does it now…I know for a fact at least two owned enslaved persons. Its really funny how the majority cannot see the injustice in the U.S. until they are directly affected

Godozo
Godozo

Most of the founding fathers owned slaves. That issue was corrected in 1865, after four years of brutal warring and a couple of constitutional amendments.

(the attitudes that supported slavery would continue to cause trouble afterwards, but that's another subject)

LVB
LVB

The key Founding Fathers (Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et al) were generally opposed to slavery and supported abolition, but at the time of the Revolutionary War and the creation and signing of the Declaration of Independence they also recognized that most of the colonies in the South would not go along with any attempt to abolish slavery at that time. And they knew very well that without having the unanimous support of all 13 colonies, there would be no chance at all to win against the British empire – so therefore, we would have all remained slaves of the British crown; black and white, male and female. Jefferson and others actually treated their slaves very well, often like family, and kept them because they knew that the times being how they were, if they released them, they would only be taken by someone else who would more than likely treat them badly. So, the Founders did know that slavery was evil and wrong, and made that clear many times. But they also knew that it would never end if we did not fight and win our independence from British rule first – and if we could do that, the process… Read more »

Sarah Connor
Sarah Connor

@LVB….excellent post my friend! Excellent!

anony
anony

Wait a min… weren't the Founding Fathers also of suspicious origin?

me
me

uhm… maybe you should read this if you don't ALREADY know:the masonic foundations of the Unites States :http://watch.pair.com/mason.html#fathers

Alexandra
Alexandra

Baloney. Washington had not visited a Masonic lodge the last 25-30 years of his life and he was a Christian.

Pastor Charles Chiniquy joined a Masonic lodge because he figured–they're against Catholicism…then he found out the truth.

So no, USA is not of Masonic origin.

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2010/10/ejp-repli

onemorevoice
onemorevoice

no. the founding fathers were "puritans".

"they" are rewriting history with the masonic crap, it is just disinformation to cause confusion.

nvra75
nvra75

@alexandra: " Baloney. Washington had not visited a Masonic lodge the last 25-30 years of his life and he was a Christian."

how could you possibly know who attended a SECRET SOCIETY over a 25-30 year period?

haha, where did you get this info? could they possibly be lying about this because that is kinda the M/O of secret societies? to lie and spread dis-info.

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@alexandra:

"So no, USA is not of Masonic origin."

WTF?!?!?! im starting to think you are really a dis information agent.

are you denying the Masonic/occult/satanic design of the "capitol" (district of colombia) of USA the corporation?

are you denying that many of the "founding fathers" were masons?

nvra75
nvra75

@LVB: why do you stick with these romanticized versions of the "founding fathers" being good and moral slave owners?

is there a such thing as a "good and moral p*******e" if p********a were legal?

i mean, if the p*******e treated the victims really well.

Fed them, clothe them, sheltered them,

legally release them from their sexual bondage upon the death of p*******e,

only kept them in sexual bondage to keep them safe from the bad and immoral p********s?

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@LVB: why do you assume that we (american citizens) are NOT property of the crown?

eek
eek

It is a generally known fact the founding "fathers" <-creepy title, were all freemasons, Benjamin Franklin was said to be one of the biggest satan worshippers around also.

bjordan
bjordan

our founding fathers wrote our rights when all we had to deal with was indians and their bow and arrows,…. and you all know what we did to them. if you look back at what happend then y are we doing this diff. it worked then it is simple, bully them, push down beat them up move em out….problem solved…..

TruthTeller
TruthTeller

No surprise. They're moving forward with the agenda. All apart of NWO. Well, I say NO!

John Doe
John Doe

I completely agree. The NWO is going to take over in 2012. The world isnt going to end. The NWO is going to take us all to the Denver Airport.

Jas
Jas

OMFG!! We're not the only one! They are OBVIOUSLY pushing the NWO. If it gets into the hands of that puppet we call our president we're sure as hell screwed.

me
me

yeah, I too feel that something is about to happen. I'm from Europe and these days they are discussing possible measures for saving the Euro currency. Probably one of them is The U.S.E.- United States of Europe. All countries will lose sovereignty and the Big Brother in Bruxelles, together with the IMF and other elite banks will "watch over" everyone. Think about it, they have replaced the prime-ministers of Italy and Greece with members of the Trilateral Commission- Mario Monti and Lucas Papademos. It is a bit scary when I think about our future…

Lim Lynn
Lim Lynn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJoWfa8aq7Y
Wound to the Euro Currency.

Montazer
Montazer

I also agree that the new world order will take over in 2012, and the world will Not end, but I think this is a religious conflict. It is the forces of Satan, and their messiah, the antichrist, against the forces of God, and their messiah, Jesus (PBUH).

Sarah Connor
Sarah Connor

Well SURPRISE SURPRISE – Barry Soetoro did not Veto the bill!!!

Today 12/15 is ‘National Bill of Rights Day’ – the IRONY!!!

Also:Adversaries fingerprints! Always with these guys~They literally CANNOT help themselves!

12/15/2011 = 13 (Bloodlines)

Thirteen Layers to the Pyramid = The number, ’13′ is the occult number of Depravity and Rebellion.

EVENTS CONTINUING TO OCCUR “BY THE NUMBERS” — SACRED OCCULT NUMBERS
cuttingedge.org/News/n1756.cfm

The number, “13″ is considered divine by the occultist for a couple of reasons:

1. The Bible assigns ’13′ the meaning of “rebellion against constituted authority”, plus the depravity that caused Satan to rebel against God.

2. The occultist assigns ’6′ to represent the number of man, and the number ’7′ to represent the number of divine perfection. Thus, as a person climbs that “Jacob’s Ladder” toward self-perfection in the realm of the occult, the number ’13′ represents the state of divine perfection, self-achieved perfection, and Illumination (6+7 = 13).

Thus, the occult calendar is comprised of four periods of 13 weeks each.

Occult Holidays and Sabbats:
bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm

George
George

Sarah, Your remarks quoted below are supported by the past years Market Activity. For it appears “By the numbers” has affected daily market performance and coincides with FOMC pronouncements… Re. your knowledge of occult:

“Well SURPRISE SURPRISE – Barry Soetoro did not Veto the bill!!!
Today 12/15 is ‘National Bill of Rights Day’ – the IRONY!!!Also:Adversaries fingerprints! Always with these guys~They literally CANNOT help themselves!12/15/2011 = 13 (Bloodlines)
Thirteen Layers to the Pyramid = The number, ’13′ is the occult number of Depravity and Rebellion.EVENTS CONTINUING TO OCCUR “BY THE NUMBERS” — SACRED OCCULT NUMBERS
cuttingedge.org/News/n1756.cfm;…”

Could you offer any insight or links to Occultic locations, grid lines, etc. w/like its calendar requires attendance at a specific location(s) on said holidays?

Sarah Conner
Sarah Conner

Hi George – you are speaking of ley lines and I'm not all that familiar with them, except to know that they are indeed incorporated into many events/buildings etc. There is tons of research to be found out there but I wouldn't have any specific recommendations to offer. Sorry!