David Banner & 9th Wonder Talk Illuminati and my Comments Regarding Illuminati in Hip-Hop


A reader sent me this interview with rapper David Banner and producer 9th Wonder regarding the Illuminati and asked for my comments. I thought it would be interesting to share my views with everyone, hoping it will clarify some misconceptions. Here’s the interview.

David Banner & 9th Wonder: Talk Illuminati

The presumed relationship between Hip-Hop and the shadowy secret society known as the Illuminati is one that never ceases to illicit a conversation from the rational and the conspiracy theorist alike. AllHipHop.com got the views and opinions of David Banner and 9th Wonder, both of which have worked with acts allegedly affiliated with the Illuminati. Read the conversation, for it also acts as a challenge to those that make such claim on African American artist.

I wanted to ask you a question, switch into a little bit of different question.  I was going back on Twitter a little bit a go, and we were asking about The Illuminati  and some of us were asking if that was an extension of Willie Lynch, a plant for Black people to tear each other down.  The latest I heard from the theorists is that Willow Smith is in the Illuminati  now… I’m like “Ok…wow…”

9th Wonder: Listen man, listen man, listen man…

David Banner: Can I… Can I answer this one man, and then I will let 9th answer this one. As far as Black folks and the f**kin’ Illuminati … that’s some bulls**t.  The Illuminati has always existed and now since it’s become trendy, because people started talking about it with Jay-Z, they want to talk about Black folks in the Illuminati .  Black folks who are in the Illuminati don’t have no mutha f**kin’ power.  Black folks truly in the Illuminati are in the ground stages and they are gatekeepers.  They don’t know anything.  You want to talk about people in the Illuminati talk about white folks!  The truth is, most Black people that talk s**t are scared of white folks in power.  You want to talk about Illuminati, and you don’t talk about white folks! You are a f**kin’ coward.

9th Wonder: Real talk…

David Banner:
I’m sick of that s**t, tell all these Internet ass n***as talkin’ bout the Illuminati to talk about white folks with power! But if they know it they talk about white folks with power they electricity will go off. n***as on the Internet are f**king cowards! If you gonna talk about the Illuminati, don’t break down black men, break down the mutha f**kas that started that s**t… That enslaved your mother and your father and your grandmother.  I’m so sick of n***as and all that bulls**t talk.

9th Wonder: Haha he ain’t lying…

David Banner: I’m so sick of n***as and all that bulls**t talk.  You gonna talk about the Illuminati, research the Illuminati and you show me one f**king president that wasn’t a part of it.  But you won’t talk about them!  n***as is cowards!  I don’t wanna hear that s**t.  Keep yo’ mutha f**kin’ DVD n***a. That’s the whole David Banner…

AllHipHop.com: (laughs)

David Banner:
I’m sorry 9th Wonder.  (laughs)

9th Wonder: It’s all good man. You beat me to it man.  Just like you said with Willie Lynch, it’s just a way to make people, they will do anything to turn Black people against each other.  They’ll really do anything man.  They will really do anything. They make Jay and Beyonce, this that and the third, to make them look like they are in the Illuminati. Half of the people at home, sitting there looking at the internet and at the DVD’s don’t even know what Illuminati really is.  They have no idea man.  If you really want to research what is going on, its all on the internet. You can really research whats going on, but don’t talk about Jay-Z and Beyonce, blah, blah, blah, this and that, lets talk about all the drugs getting pumped into our country, we don’t own no boats, who you think is running that?

Trust me this country is full of problems and all these world problems have less to do with a Black person and more to do with someone else.  But they don’t want to talk about that because their power will go off.  So cats is still just on that Jay-Z Illuminati instead of looking at the real problem.  They think Jay-Z is the problem and then go to work the next day and don’t look at their boss man. But that’s crazy man.  Like I don’t understand it.  They need to find something else to talk about, I get that question a lot because I worked with Jay on the Black Album.  So a lot of cats ask me that.  Come on man, I know y’all got more stuff to worry about than asking me that dumb stuff.

David Banner:
And 9th… if he is… He ain’t calling no shots.  Like if we really…

9th Wonder: Right…

David Banner: If we really gonna talk about it. I’m cutting the head off. I ain’t dealing with no minions brother.

AllHipHop.com: Right, right, right…

David Banner:
And…. Well… No I ain’t event going to get into that.  Then Black folks will sure enough get mad.

AllHipHop.com: What?

David Banner: Nah man I think I’m gonna keep this one to myself.  I’m learning more and more everyday that everything ain’t for everybody. But n***a’s sit around and talk that s**t, and sit around among a group of ourselves in secret societies every motha f**kin’ day.

The thing with Death of a Pop Star, it’s about the truth, its about the soul, about not cutting corners, it’s about our kids.  I’m not running away from that man.  I saw a DVD about Mary Mary.  They were trying to say Mary was in the Illuminati, I know them girls.  That’s some bulls**t.  Them girls don’t praise nothing but God. Man that made me so mad man.  When real stuff happens like oil or Katrina, I don’t see them same people fighting and standing up for that. When a little girl gets molested in the hood, or in Oakland when that boy got shot by the cops, I don’t see them folks standing up.

Source: Allhiphop.com

Here are my comments regarding this interview and the “hip-hop in Illuminati” trend.

  1. It is clear that artists (including Willow Smith) are not PART of the Illuminati – a term describing the occult world elite.  They are pawns of it. They have absolutely no say on world policies and other issues. The music industry is simply one of the tools used by the elite to educate, shape, and mold the masses. Artists with great charisma and influence are used by the Illuminati to propagate its agenda and to sell its ideas. To believe that hip-hop artists are actually part of the Illuminati reflects a total lack of understanding of the nature of the world’s elite. Furthermore, I believe some media sources spin “Illuminati stories” this way to spread disinformation and to make the entire thing seem utterly ridiculous.
  2. I believe the debate about races has expired years ago. It is not about Blacks versus Whites anymore. It is about the elite versus the masses. The more we advance towards a New World Order, the more people of all colors will be treated equally: as a “bewildered herd”.
  3. I agree that gossipping about the personal lives of artists lead absolutely nowhere. It is, in fact, misleading and useless. To grasp the true nature of the Illuminati, one must understand its origins, its evolution, its infiltration of Secret Societies, and  its plans for the future. This goes WAY beyond the hip-hop and R&B. As they say, we should go to the “head of the problem”, not its minions. Music videos are used to reach young people where they are the most receptive. Let’s say you have a message you need to be heard and understood by the world’s youth. What would be more effective? To publish a convincing yet word-intensive book or to have today’s hottest artist making it cool and fashionable on MTV, BET and Youtube?  Once this is understood, it becomes easy to recognize the selling of the elite’s Agenda in popular culture. This is also why I focus on popular culture…it is the best way to reach young people. But, of course, readers of the Vigilant Citizen already knew that.

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197 Comments on "David Banner & 9th Wonder Talk Illuminati and my Comments Regarding Illuminati in Hip-Hop"

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The reason he treated the whole idea the way he did is because he himself is a puppet as well. He's not going to speak out against his puppet masters. That will stop his checks from coming in but he knows the entertainment industry is controlled and has always been.

i wouldn't place too much hope and faith in anything david banner says, from what i've read he is also in the dark about what the illuminati truly is and who they are. he gives the impression that the black members of the illuminati are not calling the shots and have no power. sorry mr banner, your ignorance betrays you once again THERE ARE NO BLACK ILLUMINATI MEMBERS. now as far as this black boule thing is concerened, I have no idea, but once again THE ILLUMINATI IS A RESTRICTED CLUB! the reason i think david banner is an idiot was something he said in regards to when rihanna was supposedly beat down by chris brown, he said "we don't know what rihanna did" oh really mr banner so your saying that a man is jutified in putting his hands on a woman as long as he was provoked? and… Read more »

Its not white people its the Jewish people how does no one see this aspect of the control Freemasonry Illuminati ext wake up an read Jewish mafia WAKE UP

WILLING puppets.

I'm an ex gang member, ex con and I know from what I read that these ppl in the music industry are only objects that the Illuminati use to convey their messages through symbols as well as subliminal messages. I know that it is the shadow government that's really in power here and around the world, not a musician,hiphop,rapper that's anywhere close to ruling the world,as the word says it very clearly… This world is ruled by satan or else he would not have had the power to offer Yeshuah the world if HE would bow down and worship him…So Jay-z his wife and anyone that is seen as representing the illuminati are only faces seen, the true power is hidden behind the scenes…

We know that, but why are they selling themselves out to the devil though? Yes money and fame, but is it worth it? You are targeting children and trying to change them to follow the masses down this dark path? Why can’t these black people who are at the bottom of the totem pole see this? If they all would stand up against, then these white leaders will have no sheep they can control to portray their messages and to get their word out and will have no one to make it look cool. We are all well aware of the government’s role in all of this. It goes back, I believe, to the Georgia guidestones. Eventually they’ll have us so brainwashed we will all willingly jump off cliffs at the snap of their fingers. Why do people say the leaders are all Jewish? Why would the Jewish people be… Read more »

Look, yall are getting all mad at David Banner because of his black/white statements and you're missing the point that he's trying to make; that people like Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, etc. are mere pawns in a game and the power that they have pales in comparison to the ruling elite. Some of these people probably don't even realize that they're pawns, especially when they're very well paid for the jobs that they do. And he IS right. The rulers of this world are white people. That doesn't mean that all white people are evil, but he was pointing out the fact that some people only focus on Hip-hop artist (whom the majority of are black in the US) when playing the Illuminati blame game, yet ignoring those at the top of the pyramid (who just happen to be white).

David Banner is a buffoon. The illuminati is a catch all phrase for the worlds elite. Jayz is a billionaire he is a part of the worlds elite. As far as bloodlines are concerned you dont know what blood may be coursing through his veins, American blacks are all multi racial. No one member of the illuminati can be blamed or targeted because their power is diversified. That is by design. There are college fraternities, masonic lodges (some accept women some dont), political coalitions etc that make up the "illuminati". Artist and figure heads are bottom rung pawn but pawns are on the board nevertheless. Pawns obviously can become multi millionaires nowadays. Banner and artist like him do nothing but speak death, destruction and hate into the black community. He and his greedy cohorts are the ones that are bringing other blacks down. They have help create a culture of… Read more »
Ok…sooo I have to weigh in ..1st I do have to thank VC for the info, regardless of whether I agree with the thoughts posted, I appreciate a forum where I can peruse the thoughts of those in the know, and be reminded that Im not the only one out here… So I have to call you out though VC, why the ad for Beyonce'? It seems a bit disingenuous to blog about the illuminati puppets manipulating the minds of the masses while advertising the DVD of 1 of the main culprits …Im just sayin' …. Re: DB and his nonsensical rantings, I would agree that as much as we'd like to be distracted from the fact that race influences the agenda of the Illum, its most certainly a huge factor in their methodology.. I will also agree that when I see Jay-Z, or any other musician, entertainer, or so-called… Read more »

As soon as I started seeing “white people” this and “white people” that..I stopped reading. Clearly these elites have trained these two muppets VERY well…

i think everyone needs to wake up. daivd banner and 9th wounder they have good music i give them that. but everyone on this page knows what there talking about. just like yall hip hop star / rappers know to. this isnt about the words in your songs are how you think this this this isn't true. A couple of people on this page made a good point if you can get on youtube and blast that we don't know what were talking about do you. do you? Wait yeah you do if you can put it that its not (black people it's white) Now banner you know just as good then any off us when you got yo first recorded deal did you look at the words or the numbers. I'm think you look at both and thought you could do yo own thing. Get that racism s**t on… Read more »
I agree w/both sides of the discussion. These people aren't the true front of the whole Illuminati movement & we shouldn't be just looking @ people w/in the entertainment industry like this the only problem. With the elite having their hand in many aspects of the world, we wouldn't be doing justice by just exposing rappers/producers because policitians, world bankers, & even multi-billion dollar companies that some of you probably even invest in that are brainwashing/reprogramming us just the same. In the same token, it doesn't excuse what they do either so if you see the symbols know someone far more powerful & dangerous is in the shadows because the true head of this beast won't be exposed until the most inopportune moment. The best thing we can do is raise as much awareness as possible & encourage the redirecting of power in the hip-hop industry BACK to the people… Read more »
First off, im glad that we are getting responses on people from the Entertainment world, answering questions about the illumanti and all. You must understand though that every mason is sworn to secrecy. if a person in the illumanti wanted to know if they are in it together. they would ask "r you my brother.?" what celebrity that you know of has admitted to being apart of it? NONE. what president do you know of has admitted to that? NONE. maybe its not each indivdual person that is in the illumanti but they are indeed being used by it and i doubt they are that ignorant to where they arent aware that they are. if we being apart of the bourgeioise can go on the internet and research and find the orgins and symbols that are masonic in origin i know that they can do the same. the probelm is… Read more »

David Banner got some nerve.

Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKGQ5cIw_ew

Yup a song with fart sounds in it…..stay classy david.

wow these David Banner and 9th Wonder totally missed the point…they just don't.get.it.

With all that being said Jay, Beyonce and others have HEARD about this stuff and still allow the same folks to orchestrate their careers which supports and assists with the pushing of the agenda. That's my point. Don't support it, flee from it if you don't long to be a part of it. Seperate yourself, don't be a part of the problem, don't be a part of deceiving the masses. If you know the black and white checkered floor is masonic and ritualistic don't use the black and white floor in your video or on stage, dont speak lyrics about "running this town tonight' dont' say things like "life begins where the church ends" and "jesus can't save you". Don't say and do things that are satanic and say you're not in agreement with it. It's like stars are scared of jay-z so obviously though he may not be necessarily… Read more »

First it was B.o.B., then JayZ, then there was David Banner. Now it is Rihanna and Jennifer Hudson all saying the same thing around the same time. How they have nothing to do with anything and everyone who ever questioned them are crazy. People have been making these claims against these artist for years now but now they all address it at the same time when they stood mute for years. What a coincidence.

It's funny that Vigilant’s attempts at informing the masses has been misconstrued into disinformation by the very people that he is attempting to wake up. These artists are able to point and laugh at this “truth movement” because of well-intentioned but misinformed VC fans going around telling everybody and their momma “Beyonce, Jay-Z, and Lady GaGa are in the Illuminati!” Anyone who has studied mystery religions, occult knowledge, and the Illuminati KNOW that these artists are NOT active members of this organization. Pawns, yes. Satanists, probably. But members of the Bavarian Illuminati, absolutely not. I would encourage each and every one of you VC fans to actually read the literature in VC’s knowledge files, go to the library and read an actual book, do some investigation of your own that expounds upon an article that VC wrote about symbolism found in pop music videos. And once you have really EDUCATED… Read more »
i gained nothing from the original interview..that was just a bunch of BS, i felt like they were only part of what they call 'trendy'. glad you clarified it, because i'm 100% sick of people saying "so and so is 'part of' the illuminati" i'm not genius on the whole matter of illuminati and whatnot, I don't blog or talk about it among my friends who would quickly call me crazy, I simply just read stuff like yours, but I am a logical person and i want to understand something if i'm going to read of it. and the first thing you know when learning of said 'illuminati' is it doesn't just work 'like that', for example where willow smith has some checkerboard floor and she's suddenley "part of a horrible scheme that shes perpatrating(spllng i know) omggg!11" know- she has no idea why something is in her video, and… Read more »

To be honest it sounds like hes refering to G.craige lewis and his truth about hip hop dvds. The Man of God is Raw and hes always ruffling feathers. He keeps refering to dvds so im just saying… Check EXmiinistries.com

just look at these pictures and see for yourself both these guys ain't talking cuz they aint trying to mess up their bread http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/1879http://hiphopwired.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/rhapsody.jpg and http://www.rapswag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10

Stop buying there music, shirts, or anything else they try and sell you. Stop watching any Viacom music channels. Its not that difficult people. If you want to put a stop to this ish, dont give them a cent…..da losing…. Tell others to wake the hell up and follow the lead….Vengence belongeth to me saith the LORD…Try and stay out of the way…..That is all……

For all who think we can rise up and stop the control placed upon us, it simply cannot happen. The power to divide and conquer is far more efficient than the idea of unite and resist. All citizens have their own opinions, ideas, religion, interests, and belief systems. We have been taught since childhood to be an individual, to not be turned away from what we believe in just because someone else doesn't agree. We haven't been conditioned to agree and unite as a people. Even churchgoers judge other churchgoers' clothes, comments, and actions. Our freedom to assemble is even a myth, just look at what happened in Wisconsin. Any rights that we have can be yanked from us if we fail to follow along. Some people will say that we CAN unite and stop being controlled, but I say we can't, which is another example of just how a… Read more »

If you are affiliated than you are apart of it in my opinion…one may not have complete say and power but if they participate they are as guilty as the puppetmasters as they allow themselves to be controlled for currency and material items…I do agree that there is a bigger global scheme (war, drugs, negativity, sports, entertainment) that many are not paying attention to as they have already been programed…the fact of the matter is that these "pawns" (music artists) perpetuate these distractions of materialism and if they could paint a better picture "there power (over their fans) would be turned off" and if the power cannot be turned off, then the person is destroyed (killed)……

Every dog has his day. bite the hand that feeds.

They sound just as ignorant as they seem to think the bloggers they are attacking are. RME. Before you try to school me as to what is and what isn't Illuminati, learn to speak like a grown up and use your inside voice. #thatisall.