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“Sucker Punch” or How to Make Monarch Mind Control Sexy


Sucker Punch is an action fantasy thriller that promises its viewers two things: girls and explosions. And it delivers both. But behind the slur of short skirts and CGI effects hides a disturbing underlying story: Sucker Punch is about the life of a mind control slave who dissociates from reality to escape the trauma caused by abuse. This article looks at the hidden meaning and symbolism in Sucker Punch.

Warning: This article deals with disturbing subject matters and contains major spoilers.

Produced by Zack Snyder (Watchmen, 300), Sucker Punch describes the quest of a girl attempting to escape a mental hospital where she was forcibly placed. In order to achieve this goal, our heroine, “Baby Doll”, and her friends, must find five items that will be used to escape the institution. Most critics did not appreciate the video game-like plot line of Sucker Punch and were confused its several levels of alternate realities.

The movie does come across as confusing, because there is one important fact about this movie that is not known to most viewers that makes the movie (slightly more) cohesive and coherent: Sucker Punch is about trauma-based mind control. It tells the story of a victim of Monarch Programming (more specifically Beta or Kitten programming) as she becomes increasingly dissociative. The movie takes place in the slave’s psyche, where dissociation is a defence mechanism to escape the unbearable trauma of abuse. The deep dark secrets of Monarch mind control are never truly presented on screen yet they are implied in meanings and symbols throughout the movie.

(Note: If you are not familiar with Monarch programming, I suggest you read the article titled Origins and Techniques of Monarch Mind Control before continuing with this one).

Sucker Punch provides a taste of the confusion lived by actual MK slaves as the film subjects its viewers to some of the same mind twisting: illusion, deceit, reversals and doublespeak. As the movie advances, the line between reality and fiction becomes increasingly blurry and messages become mixed up. At face value, the movie can be perceived as being about the the empowerment of women, but the mind control symbolism of the movie indicates that it is actually about the exact opposite. Our hero Baby Doll is looking for “freedom” but, in the end, “freedom” is definitely not what she thought it would be. In fact, the entire movie can be understood in two completely opposite ways, making it quite a mind bender. Sucker Punch begins with an off-screen voice saying:

“Everyone has an angel. A guardian who watches over us. We can’t know what form they’ll take. One day, old man. Next day, little girl. But don’t let appearances fool you. They can be as fierce as any dragon. Yet they’re not here to fight our battles … but to whisper from our heart … reminding that it’s us. It’s everyone of us who holds the power over the worlds we create.”

Like many other parts of the movie, this introduction can refer to guardian angels helping people take charge of their life or to mind control handlers who have the power to manipulate the thoughts of MK slaves. This only one of the several possible double meanings in the movie.

Abuse at home

The movie takes place during the 1950-60s (despite glaring anachronisms), a period during which actual MK-Ultra experiments were known to be taking place. The main protagonist of Sucker Punch is a twenty year old girl known only as Baby Doll. Her name strongly suggests mind control: “baby dolls” do not control their movements or environments. Baby Doll’s background and road to mind control mirrors the story of many real life Monarch slaves: an abusive parent caused multiple traumas at a young age, making her predisposed to dissociation. Her “ownership” is then transferred to an institution where the actual programming takes place, under the supervision of specialists (handlers).

The story of Baby Doll is indeed the typical story of real life Monarch slaves, who are often subjected to abuse at a young age. After several years of mistreatment, the ruthless parental figures have then no trouble handing over the children to MK authorities – clearing them of the possible criminal charges they could face for years of abuse.

The movie’s introductory sequences presents Baby Doll’s source of trauma: an evil step-father.

Baby Doll's drunk step-father looking to abuse her. Many Monarch slaves come from abusive households or multi-generational ritual abuse families.

“The type of father who is most preferred by the Programmers to offer up their children for programming is the phile. If a father will abuse his own little baby girl, then the Programmers know that the man has no conscience. This father’s involvement in criminal activity (and thereby his vulnerability) can be continually increased. They want men who they believe will not develop any qualms later on in life about what they have done.”
- Fritz Springmeier, The Illuminati Formula to Create a Mind Control Slave

The step-father's wounds around the eye produce an emphasis on the "one-eye" symbol, which represents, as seen in other articles, Illuminati mind control. The one-eye symbol appears in other instances during the movie.

The step-father calls the police and accuses Baby Doll of killing her own sister – a crime he committed. She is arrested by the police and immediately drugged. Her ordeal as a Monarch slave begins.

Baby Doll is given a sedative by state officials and taken to the mental institution, which turns out to be a mind-control programming site. Mind-control slaves are constantly drugged by their handlers to facilitate their programming.

The Programming Site

Baby Doll forcefully taken into the institution. Several mental health institutions were actual mind-control sites used by the CIA.

The mental institution in which Baby Doll is placed has all of the characteristic of a mind-control programming site. The threat of physical and sexual abuse is constant during the entire movie and several techniques are used to trigger dissociation.

Music is extremely important in the institution (and in actual Monarch mind control) where it is used as a programming tool. Most of the songs heard during the movie have suggestive lyrics which, in the context of mind control, can to trigger dissociation. As Baby Doll is taken to her cell, Yoav’s cover of the song “Where is my Mind” is heard. The lyrics describe the feeling of dissociation:

With your feet in the air and your head on the ground
Try this trick and spin it, yeah
Your head will collapse
But there’s nothing in it
And you’ll ask yourself

Where is my mind
Where is my mind
Where is my mind

In the institution, Baby Doll learns that her step-father paid to subject her to the ultimate form of mind control: a complete lobotomy. The administrator of the mental institution tells the step-father: “Don’t worry, she won’t even remember her name when I’m done with her”.

The movie then fast forwards to the scene of the lobotomy.

Lobotomies were performed by inserting a sharp instrument through an eye of the victim to "disactivate" the prefrontal cortex. The movie emphasizes the symbolism of the needle going through an eye to as it symbolically represents Illuminati mind control.

Right at the moment where the doctor is about to hammer the orbitoclast into Baby Dolls’ brain, dissociation occurs and the viewers are taken to an alternate reality. We are taken to the dissociative, imaginary world created by Baby Doll’s psyche, in which she embodies an alter persona: a Beta Kitten.


The Alternate Reality

In Monarch mind control, there are several types of programming, depending on the use the handlers want to make of the slave. In Sucker Punch, it is obvious that Baby Doll and her friends are subjected to Beta Programming – also known as Kitten programming. The emphasis in the beginning of the movie on her step-father’s abuse is, in Monarch Programming terms, the anchor.

“All the programming of each & every slave is anchored upon some type of trauma. One of the first fundamental traumas will be watched, filmed, coded & used as an anchor. For instance, the most brutal abuse of a girl by her father will be used as an anchor upon which to build the Beta programming. (…) Extreme psychosis is created within a child trying to deal with the issues created by the incest from the child’s most important figure–their father figure.”
- Ibid.

In Baby Doll’s alternate reality, the mental institution becomes a club run by a mobster – who is, in real life, the institution’s administrator. The “mental patients” of the institution are dancers…with extras. This distorted version of reality implies one important thing that is not directly mentioned in the movie: If Baby Doll deals in prostitution in her alternate reality, it implies that she is subjected to the same treatment in the mental institution. In actual Monarch programming, repeated and systematic abuse is used to create trauma and dissociation.

In her alternate reality, Baby Doll embodies an alternate persona – what is called a Kitten – who are programmed to give favors. The programming removes inhibitions and, as we’ll see, Baby Doll will be trained to “let herself go” and become sensual on demand.

It is during the scene of the lobotomy that we first see Baby Doll dissociating, turning the sordid operation into an alluring dance routine.

Baby Doll being strapped and prepared for the lobotomy.

Baby Doll's alternate world reflecting yet distorting her lobotomy - it is now the premise of an erotic dance routine.

Despite appearances to the contrary, the movie never truly condemns forced prostitution or even mind-control practices. Everything is turned into a fantasy, making the situation cool and attractive. For example, Baby Doll’s Kitten alter persona is constantly dressed as a schoolgirl who is brought in by a priest.

Baby Doll's Sex Kitten alter has a different past. Real Monarch programming slaves are programmed to have different alters, who have different pasts, different attitudes and, sometimes, even speak using different accents than the "core" persona. In Baby Doll's case, her abusive step-father becomes a priest.

Beta Kittens

In her alternate reality, Baby Doll is forced to dance and please clients. Since her alternate world is a product of dissociation, which “sugar-coats” reality to make it bearable, we can deduce that she is forced to do the same actual mental institution, but the movie never actually shows it.

Baby Doll is being told that she is here to please clients. Animal print cushions allude to Kitten programming.

Sweet Pea, another "patient"/slave, practising her dance moves. She is wearing feline print, used in Monarch mind control to identify Beta Kittens.

Blondie, played by Vanessa Hudgens, also wears feline prints. Despite not being blonde, she is called Blondie, reflecting Kitten programming's obsession with blondes (see Marilyn Monroe).

Vanessa Hudgens is a former Disney star; as stated in previous articles, there are numerous links between Disney’s child stars and Monarch programming.

Hudgens got this butterfly tattoo (which was highly publicized for some reason) around the time Sucker Punch was released. Tattoos are used in Monarch programming to identify slaves.

Mirrors and Butterflies

Not unlike other movies on the theme of mind control (see Black Swan), tricky mirror effects and confusing reflections are often used during Sucker Punch to symbolize the blurring of the line between reality and fiction and to give the viewers a small sense of the world of a MK Slave.

Tricky mirrors and camera movements cause viewers realize that they were looking at inverted reflections during an entire scene - warning them to never trust what they see. Notice the butterfly between the mirrors, a symbol of Monarch programming.

When one of the slaves is shot and killed by Blue, the club the owner, the camera moves to an illuminated mirror from which falls a baby picture of her. Notice the butterfly.

Almost all films on mind control feature a shattered mirror at one point - representing the shattering of the slave's personality. In Sucker Punch, the mirror shatters when Blue attempts to assault Baby Doll.

Second Level of Dissociation

So where do the cool action scenes fit in all this disturbing creepy mess? Well, they all happen in Baby Doll’s head as a way to escape reality. Each action scene occurs when Baby Doll is forced to perform an alluring dance.

Using music as a programming tool, Vera Grosky (the institution’s doctor who becomes the dance instructor in the alternate reality) tells Baby Doll to “let everything go”. In other words, she must dissociate. Following Vera’s orders, when the music starts, Baby Doll is catapulted into a second level of fantasy world. During the length of the song, the dance turns, inside Baby Doll’s head, into an imaginary action scene that vaguely reflects reality. This multiple level of dissociation is Baby Doll’s defense mechanism against the cold hard reality: the third level of the action scene means that she is dancing in the second level of the club, which means she is most likely being abused in the first level of the mental institution (I hope this is not too confusing).

During her first dance, Baby Doll dissociates to a world resembling feudal Japan. She is wearing a skimpy school girl outfit, reminding everyone that, behind all of this, the truth is that she is being used for her body.

During this first dissociative action scene, Baby Doll meets the “Wise Man”, the guide who will lead her to “freedom” … and I use that word in quotation marks for a reason. While it may appear that throughout the movie, the Wise Man guides Baby Dolls towards liberty, he knows all along that his help will lead her to the exact opposite – total lobotomy. More on this later.

The second action scene takes place in Germany, during WWI. Once again, Baby Doll is forced to dance. The song she must dance to is extremely meaningful: It is a remake of the classic song White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane. In the context of mind control, the song’s lyrics take on a profound meaning:

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don’t do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she’s ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you’re going to fall
Tell ‘em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call
Call Alice
When she was just small

When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you’ve just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice
I think she’ll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen’s “off with her head!”
Remember what the dormouse said;
“Feed Your Head”

This classic song can be interpreted in several ways but, in the context of this movie, it perfectly fits into the theme of mind control. As seen in previous articles, the movie Alice in Wonderland is used as an actual Monarch programming tool, where the slave is told to “follow the White Rabbit” through the Looking Glass – the Looking Glass equalling dissociation. For this reason, the symbol of the white rabbit became an important symbol of mind control in popular culture.

In the WWI action scene, the girls ride a "mech" that prominently features the MK symbol of the white rabbit.

The other action scenes follow the same pattern: A dissociative song triggers Baby Doll to go into a fantasy world where she must accomplish a mission. Each mission is a distorted version of the real life mission she and her friends must accomplish to, in the end, escape the institution and find freedom.

The girls succeed and obtain the items required, but not without deaths and sacrifices along the way.

Going to “Paradise”

During the entire movie, Baby Doll’s only goal is to “leave this place” and to “be free”. At numerous occasions, the process is referred to as “going to Paradise”. However, like actual Mind Control slaves, the viewers of the movies are confused with deceitful double-speech and inversions – using attractive words to describe horrible realities. In the movie, “Paradise” and “Freedom” do not equal escaping the mental institution, but rather signify complete dissociation from reality. The Wise Man who seems to be guiding Baby Doll toward “freedom” actually leads her to the acceptance of her lobotomy as the only way to truly “be free”.

This disturbing ending reflects the even more disturbing reality of Monarch slaves: even if they escape the grips of their handlers, they cannot escape the suffering and the trauma they have been subjected to. Baby Doll apparently realizes this fact. So, in the end, instead of escaping the institution with her friend Sweet Pea, Baby Doll acts as a true hero and sacrifices herself to free her friend, creating a diversion that allows her friend escape. Baby Doll is seized and taken to be lobotomized.

After the doctor performs the lobotomy, he says:

“Did you see the way she looked at me? Just in that last moment. It was like … she wanted me to do it”.

At least, Baby Doll’s sacrifice allowed Sweet Pea to escape the institution and be free, right? Not so sure.

After the escape, Sweet Pea is shown at a bus station about to leave town. When she enters the bus, a boy, who looks oddly familiar, looks at her.

The weird random kid at the bus station is the same weird random kid that appeared in the WWI scene. Since that scene was a result of dissociation, is the scene of the bus station also imaginary?

When Sweet Pea boards the bus, she realizes that the bus driver is the Wise Man who guided Baby Doll toward her lobotomy. He tells her to get some rest because she has “a long way to go”. Is he leading her to freedom or to a dissociative “paradise”?

As the bus driven by the Guide rolls away, we see a billboard saying "Paradise Diner".

MK Merchandise

Here are some officially licensed Sucker Punch t-shirt designs that contain their fair share of Illuminati mind control symbolism.

The teddy bear with stitched forehead and buttons instead of eyes represents children MK slaves and their lost of innocence.

The rabbit of the mech with one pupil.

Another shirt design featuring an emphasis on one eye. Dangling from the sword is the "key" to Baby Doll's freedom...dissociating into fantasies.

In Conclusion

Most movie goers come out of Sucker Punch believing that its a movie about “empowerment”, “women fighting back” and whatever other buzz words they’re using these days. While some might perceive Baby Doll as a strong woman fighting back against the oppression of men, others might conclude that the movie caters to the perversions, turning them into a fantasy. The same double-speak can be attributed to the movie when relating to the theme of mind control. While the main message of the movie appears to be about “fighting for freedom”, a deeper look at the movie reveals that it might be saying the opposite. In the end, Baby Doll’s “battle” was not one of rebellion and freedom, but for escape and dissociation. Her “guide” was not an agent of liberation, but a handler who owned the keys to her psyche, guiding her into the fracturing of her personality.

The final words of the movie, said by an off-screen voice, also play on reversals and double-speak. Is it an empowering speech on self-determination or a description of the handler’s complete control of the slave’s psyche?

“Who honors those we love with the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we’ll never die? Who teaches us what’s real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we’ll die to defend? Who chains us? And who holds the key that can set us free?”

The movie ends with the same words Baby Doll was told before dancing and dissociating the first time.

“It’s you. You have all the weapons you need. Now fight.”

Through illusion, deceit and double-speech, the viewers witness a subtle promotion and glorification of the very things the movie apparently goes against. I guess this is why they called the movie Sucker Punch.


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  1. sheesss says:

    I just watched this movie. Thanks VC, again you help me to understand more. Or else i won’t get this super-fantasized movie. It’s tooo confusing!

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  2. cheller says:

    When i first saw this movie I then know that it’s monarch programming while the people who watch together with me don’t actually understand the movie..

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  3. Belial says:

    Doesn’t matter anyhow, if the World is to be ruled by a minority of these “people”(handlers/ N.W.O), who is to say that the “unaffected” (those with their eyes open to whats going on) will have this world running to a T anyway?

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  4. TheMatrixHasYou says:

    The first example of the MK-Ultra merch is sickening.
    “Reality is a prison.”
    They’re trying to sell brainwashing.
    Yuck.

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  5. Aensensen says:

    I just watched the movie and the moment it finished I rushed to google “Sucker Punch Mind Control”. I was hoping there would be a vigilantcitizen’s review, and voila.

    For someone who knows a thing or two about mind programing the movie is a goldmine. There’s unmistakeable symbolism from the start. I just wanted to see extensive reviw to make sure there’s no programming itself going on by watching the movie.

    Excellent review, keep it coming.

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  6. Koviel says:

    The movie was awful!

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  7. Nubuo says:

    I saw the movie when it came out first. When I was at the beginning of the movie I knew that this was not normal. It was more then it appear. So I began to pay close attention to the actors. There was 3 movies in one. Reality, Fantasy, and the Hidden Hand. Well it was cool how they represent it. Not many people get because there is so much unknown stuff to people about mind control.

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    • GHM says:

      Yes, I agree that they portrayed it all very well indeed. For all the things in the movie that many find sickening, you have to admit that this did an amazing job at showing what Monarch victims go through. Never before have I seen a movie twist the brutality and general crackerjackness of Monarch Control in such a way. Amazing indeed.

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  8. beth says:

    wow. um, im pretty new to this site, but jesus! its shocking how people weave this symbolism into songs and movies. But then again, i guess singers and actors need to be kept in the public eye somehow. Im probably gonna get abuse for this but im a bit of a skeptic, I sort of think that this is all for publicity. But maybe i can’t handle the truth, who knows?

    now i feel like i cant listen to a good song or watch a movie without having the living daylights analyzed out of them ;) you’re an intelligent guy or gal VC, and my eyes will open one day xx

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  9. InternetExplorer says:

    IgnotumArcanus:

    9+(1) = ?

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    • Am I to understand you know the nature of the 9 and the One already?

      It seems so seeing the question was asked directly.

      If that is the case, then by all means, you may answer the question automatically.

      Very few understand the first version after all.

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  10. funny how i needed no explanation after leaving this movie, and i am often the one explaining it to my friends…

    i completley see where you are coming from, VC, but i really fail to see how this movie is that bad…

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    • Sarah Connor says:

      Michael Aquino, the founder of Temple of Set, is the one who admitted there is a coven on every base…..kinda explains all those psyops patches huh?

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      • severalminds says:

        i also thought about the same thing…the miltary patches – i remember VC article about them. All full of satanic refering, dark and sick slogans…

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  11. KillSatan says:

    in this movie is all the cast are in the iluminati industry?

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  12. Father Ita says:

    Shitty movie
    Hot chicks

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  13. severalminds says:

    Sarah, i guess u r right on scottish school…i heard about the pedophile scandal exploded in scotland last year, it was including the high level powers :-/…there were handicapped children abused by that rubbish called “persons”…there was a big cover up on that scandal.

    here are some more info about what happens in high level power regarding satanism in europe
    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.stampalibera.com/%3Fp%3D27766&ei=kQA_TqT4G8XMswbO4vWKAg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsacrifici%2Bdi%2Bsangue%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dubuntu%26hs%3D6eB%26channel%3Dfs%26prmd%3Divns
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satanic_ritual_abuse_allegations

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  14. severalminds says:

    now when the satanic cult in military level is discovered i understand that the chemtrails are their job…the normal people, normal militaries wouldn’t ever do such evoil things on the population…it is their job, they do it undisturbed, cause they keep under threat the gov.s by their hidden, occult lobbies everywhere…the chemtrails are definetely not legal, morever they are highly dangerous for anybody and anything around.

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  15. severalminds says:

    bush eating kitten…
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o6mtNNhaUW0/S8qmyxba3rI/AAAAAAAAJrM/B6RP6lYowHw/s1600/president-bush-eats-kitten-1259.jpg

    some ufo specialists say that there are various hostile alien kinds trying to dominate on humanity and those aliens are in war between them. It is not clear if they are from other plantes, or they are a kind of bad gone hybrids created as a mix of animal and human by the first bad/evil human beings who started the dark fraternity devoted to satanism (so it means that behind those aliens there is omebody else also moving them from some hidden underground/hell?..these first bad men by some reason had produced the first negative feelings inside and probably rebelled and wanted to be as God, so they wanted to create new creatures, even better than a human, but they couldn’t do it, they could create just cruel, bad creatures such as these ones which survive only if feeded by negative energy, that’s why masons create wars, bad, perverted situations etc. There are many popular ancient legends in almost all ancient nations which talk about the “bad god/egoist rebel man” who wnated to be as God, but failed…cause the human beings have a soul which is possible to get only if created by real God, the real divine. So it seems that no science may tell us the story of the humanity better than the religious texts or the legends of our grandpa’s. Also nowadays the satanist transhumanist scientists try to create a “new human”, perfect slave of illuminati
    http://goatofmendes.ning.com/forum/topics/transhumanisma-satanic
    ) The idea of these ufologists is similar to david icke’s. They say that there are reptilians, felines, beatles and etc. Every kind of these aliens races keep under control some of gov.s of some nations such as felines keep under control the nordish nations gov.s, reptilians keep under control the american nations gov.s, beatles the north africa and so on…reptilians hate badly felines…that is why probably the “kitten programming”, the phantasy of reptilaians about slavery of felines, their “sex kittens” are often blondies typically for nordish people…the felines are stronger than reptilians and for some reason they make reptilians afraid of. David Icke syas that however some of these alien kinds are able to mutate and change their appearance, to be similar human beings…but their pupils sometimes may betray their real identity.
    these “alien” kinds defined such by modern science actually are nothing else than the old demons. It seems that they took over on many of politics, powerful people, gov.s by threating, or in exchange of luxury, richness, fame…those who don’t obey, who keep on honest serving the nations are killed brutally or dropped out from power. See the case of Kennedys (the entire dynasty eliminated), the case of Ghandis (nowadays there is no more real Ghandi at power in India for example. See these links which are enough shocking about how the most peaceful and good person of last century was deleted by masons/illuminati.
    http://nehru-gandhi.blogspot.com/2010/05/some-hidden-facts-about-nehru-gandhi.html
    see how is killed the entire polish gov. with Kazcynski or what happened to Jeorge Hayder and so on…

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  16. Anonymous and LulSec FTW says:

    Name of one of the production companies? Cruel and Unusual Films. And they spent at least 82 million dollars making this.

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  17. Elle says:

    Ha, no wonder i couldnt watch the rest of this garbage… i started to, saw all the MK links and stopped (about when she “dances” for the second time)

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  18. SQBD says:

    All these articles on here about the MK Ultra programming and how all of this affects and persuades the masses (especially the one about the announcement of Bin Laden’s Death) made me realize that probably the most important words Jesus ever spoke were, ‘Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do’. It’s so sad to me that some of these people never even had a chance, they were pretty much born for this purpose, and I hope that there are a lot of people praying for all of these brainwashed celebrities and others affected by this, rather than condemning and judging them. Our prayers are the only chance they have ever had.

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  19. InfamousAvantGairde says:

    Sucker Punched indeed..I feel like i got smacked to shit…

    The Times is here indeed it seems

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  20. Soul&Spirit says:

    A very Good, but very Sad movie. My sister cried at just the trailer. She cries at a lot of things, but she said that this movie particularly saddened her.

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  21. Ty says:

    You missed the whole point of the ending. It was never Baby Doll’s story, she was the guardian angel. Sweet Pea sees the little boy and the old man because the visions were in HER mind. She sees them on the bus because she’s headed back home, and it is also a confirmation that it was indeed her story the whole time. In conclusion, the fact that you missed who the story was about in the first place, makes all of your other points rather moot.

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  22. Hawaiki says:

    Awesome review of the movie. I can’t wait to see it. One thing though was about Vanessa’s tattoo. Apparently she said that she got it because her parents said a week before she was born a butterfly landed on her mothers bare pregnant tummy so they called her Vanessa which means butterfly in some language.

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  23. lynne says:

    I watched the movie last night for the first time. The “friends” in the movie were actually her alters and not real women. When the programmer realizes that, he set out to reprogram and/or destroy the alters. Baby Doll is also one of the alters. The main personality or true person is Sweet Pea.

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  24. DDT says:

    VC, I really wonder why you never have spoken about the french movie ‘Martyrs’. GO watch it BEFORE the presumably watered-down American remake comes out. I think it relates to MindCOntrol and religous fanatism.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWZKDCAbEts

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  25. Alive says:

    Break Reality, go into your video game, and be Safe. Safe and Free from Pain.
    You see, VC, Things weren’t always as good as they are now. We learned that in the old days, the dark days, our kind didn’t realize how deadly a disease Reality was. For a long time they even viewed it as a good thing, something to be celebrated and pursued. Of course that’s one of the reasons it’s so dangerous: It affects your mind so that you cannot think clearly, or make rational decisions about your own well-being. (That’s symptom number twelve, listed in the amor Relieviata nervosa section of the twelfth edition of The Safety, Health, and Happiness Handbook, or The Book of Kat, as we call it.) Instead, people back then named other diseases—stress, heart disease, anxiety, depression, hypertension, insomnia, bipolar disorder—never realizing that these were, in fact, only symptoms that in the majority of cases could be traced back to the effects of amor Relieviata nervosa. Of course we aren’t yet totally free from the effects of the Relieviata in the Units. Until the Cure has been perfected, until it has been made safe for the non-wanting, we will never be totally protected. It still moves around us with invisible, sweeping tentacles, choking us. I’ve seen countless uncureds dragged to their procedures, so racked and ravaged by Reality that they would rather tear their eyes out, or try to impale themselves on the barbed-wire fences than be without it.
    Several years ago on the day of her procedure, one girl, our new marketing Kat, managed to slip from her restraints and find her way to the Siene Bridge. She dropped quickly, without screaming.
    For days afterward, they broadcasted the image of the dead girl’s body on the screen to remind us of the dangers of the Relieviata. Her eyes were open and she was painfully twisted, but from the way her cheek was slipping against the waves of the Water you might otherwise think she had lain down to take an unusual nap. Surprisingly, there was very little tears.

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  26. b. says:

    wow, this article is just genius, thank you for decoding this confusing movie. I can easily overlook the grammatical errors to see that an extremely insightful and knowledgeable explanation has been given here. I had an inkling it was about mind controlled slaves (unlike my friends who loved it), but would have never made all these connections. Thank You!!!!

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  27. Annonymous says:

    ”most of what we do in our daily life is triggered subconscious. To break any bad habit or to attain a new one, we MUST be able to program our minds so that subconscious does not pose resistance. But it isn’t that difficult.”

    … ”But it isn’t that difficult”

    I have known this for a long time, through instrospection and logical deduction I realized this when I became self aware. Let me assure you, those of us that have embraced this journey, and understood its implications in all its ramifications, are far too few; and will forever be so, I’m afraid.

    There is one thing I cannot help but point out, whoever say that ”it isn’t that difficult” wasn’t doing it right; or tried, misguidedly, to motivate those lost and confused. Truth is, it’s the most difficult thing you’ll ever do. Once you’ve begun, and wholeheartedly embrace it, there’s no turning back. Not once, not ever. You will know better, and will have to do right by you. Always craving more hardship, and forever better in its transcendence. Through the very worse of circumstances, for you yourself shall choose them, and will not have it any other way. Not once you know, you wouldn’t forgive yourself.

    ”What I am now seen to be, that I am not, but what I am, thou shalt see when thou comest. If thou hadst known how to suffer, thou wouldst have had the power not to suffer. Know then suffering and thou shall have the power not to suffer.” – Allegedly, spoken by Jesus Christ in an initiation rite.

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  28. Lala says:

    The actress that played the psychiatrist had a monarch butterfly tattooed on her ankle as a teen
    ,she was also a “model” at the age of 15 and a child actor.
    http://www.stylebistro.com/lookbook/Carla+Gugino/zlREZCyIwcZ

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  29. Thais Thaluthien says:

    Baby Doll uses an interesting phrase at the end of the movie. She says the story is not about her… When lobotomy is about to get done the scene changes to the club and the girl in the chair is Sweet Pea. She is the alter ego that is freed and Baby Doll just desappear… The true personality had to be trapped inside the “fantasy” and who would take control was the Sweet Pea. Am I too crazy too see things like this?

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  30. joeywilbee2 says:

    We “hewming beans” (as Pogo said so eloquently decades ago) are awash with uncertainties about our own mentality. Might I propose that we are already — as in “born into” — over our heads in conspiracy at the very least, or purpose at the very best? What if we had a clue as to our function?

    What if we were actually given a detailed yet mysterious guide, as it were, in the form of stars or structure or book, each in turn, which was designed with connects available only to those who were built with special receptors? What if that mind we all are equiped with had inherant capabilities, by design, which determined whether we could comprehend hints which lead only those “chosen” to gather? What if the embedded abilities could not be detected by anyone without them? What if we were directed by such insignificant-seeming tidbits that all the rest of the world would at some point miss them or dismiss them? What if our “choice” is actually a deliberately hidden series of “steering currents” which match a predestined path we are to find, correctly seen as by “free will” within the context of our abilities?

    What if not nearly all are to accomplish what we now deem “greatness”? What if some are mere fertilizer, some are tools, others are pieces of use of a vast variety — all to be discarded after function is complete, intended only as a means by which the goal is to be achieved? Thereafter, all the peripherals are irrelevant! All their intelligence, feelings, pains, joys, hopes, and imaginations are finalized, restructured, and recycled by truth. All the miscunstrued thoughts are decentralized and faulty faculties dissipated, the materials utilized otherwise. Throughout all this process many would consider “cruel” or improbable or impossible, those who did “get it” now comprehend in continuance the practicality of this ultimate reapplication.

    Compost! For most, yes. For some, the outcome is different and sustained. Reconstitution!

    They are now in the realm of that higher, faster, wiser power, that intelligence who knew by nature the necessity of the process. The goal achieved, all that appeared hard or unfair fits into the peace that comes from acknowledging the stability of unity. All the temporal throes of lust and anger are now shown false and are past. All that remains is what is right and holy.

    What paganism and sensationalism and heathenism and superstition and humanism and gnosticism and atheism pushed and held and proclaimed in word or action are gone, proven lacking. Fact alone stands. What “is”.

    Then what “is” can be seen in reality as having been made personal — in the first person, if truth be told. Question is, can YOU accurately and honestly take that for your own, or is any attempt vain? He who finishes the race wins. That not by ability, only by decree. Those who can, will. Fear not — the impostors and who doubt will fall away.

    Come, the voice of many waters beckons. To whom is the call made, though many detect a sound? He who has ears to hear. Deep calleth to deep, and only the deep are capable of responding. MK or Big Brother notwithstanding, this is far greater, wider encompassing, and infinitely wise. Conspiracies cannot withstand it! Within this Context, all things are possible. Do you believe this?

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  31. Sandra says:

    The ending is strange. I don’t know what to make of it, and your conclusion does not sit right with me. The boy and the wise man are from baby doll’s imagination, not sweet pea’s therefore the last scene could have only been baby doll imagining what might have happened to her. It the previous scene we see baby doll closing her eyes which seems to suggest that. Either that or the boy and the wise man are part of reality, or through a shared programming.
    The is another possiblity that baby doll is not baby doll at all but sweet pea. Baby doll stares at sweet pea at the beginning and its as if they share something – then just before baby doll is lobotomized sweet pea takes her place in the routine. Does baby doll want to be sweet pea and becomes sweet pea in her fantasies? Also sweet pea has a sister who dies from a wound in a similar place to baby dolls sister.
    What is also disturbing is the 12 (pg-13) rating of this film – it is a film about sexual abuse, with extreme violence and sexual violence, not suitable for children.

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  32. Salama says:

    Sucker Punch – High Roller (Deleted Scene)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL1WGsuXqqk

    Is this a Masonic Pyramid 0:37 or am i imagining it? :)

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  33. RONPAUL2012 says:

    Thank you so much for doing these! Can you please do the movie, Hanna? My husband and I just watched it and we would love to see you write an article on it.

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  34. Blinky Winken says:

    There was a review of this bomb of a movie over at the A.V. Club, and I tried to post a comment with a link to THIS review. And they wouldn’t allow me to, even though I have not had a problem posting a comment there before.

    Coincidence?

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  35. ASleeplessChinaDoll says:

    Very Informative.

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  36. carolk says:

    I think that kind of movies nowdays are to made of a kind of generation, mainly people under 22 years old. Im 25 and i noticied young girls nowdays are more stupid and sensible, no have a good sense of perception and logic to thinking about solutions to theirselves. The movie show a reflection of a generation and their ideias and submission to the sociaty with a “no think, only lets use you message”

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  37. Jen says:

    I watched this movie, strictly because of his article, and I was blown away!

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  38. RC Christian says:

    When she was first offered her weapons you can see clearly that there is a white rabbit head attached to the gun.

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  39. to tell you the truth with or without illumanati symbolisam the movie is still stupid! >:)

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  40. Adrian Vigil says:

    WATCH THE MOVIE “MONEYBALL” THERE IS MONARCH PROGRAMMING PLACEMENT @ 40:40!!

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  41. Syrus Magistus says:

    Notice how when Baby Doll dissociates for the first time, she turns into Sweet Pea. We never see any of the other girls in her first-tier dissociation outside in the real world. They’re all Baby Doll’s alters, and the only personality who is allowed to re-enter mainstream society is the character of Sweet Pea. We’re just TOLD that another mental patient escaped because of Baby Doll’s distraction. But in the first-tier illusion, we are told that Sweet Pea is not a mental wreck like her sister and the other girls, and had no problem getting along with her (let’s assume abusive) parents the way her “sister” did.

    They’re ALL Baby Doll’s fractured psyche, and the only one who survives the whole episode is the same one who had “no problems” with her handlers. Basically, Sweet Pea survived because she’s the aspect of Baby Doll’s psyche who was most suited for the harsh realities of the real world because she was not intrinsically rebellious and simply along for the ride. The programmers ONLY allowed her to “escape” because she was most obedient and mundane-flavored of the broken heroine. In truth, the level of reality we are led to believe is true (the mental institution, the abuse step-dad and the lobotomy threat) is probably itself a dissociative realm because it’s an extremely sugar-coated version of MK-ULTRA victimhood. The story has no three, but FOUR levels of reality.

    We honestly never see the truth about what happens to “Baby Doll” because the harsh realities of MK-ULTRA and trauma-based mind control are hidden from the public. Hidden in plain sight yes, but hidden very well within the masses’ own dissociation from the harsh reality of living in a world where this batshit ape crazy barbarism is allowed to happen. Society has never put a stop to it. Society has even acknowledged its existence. Because we left ourselves vulnerable to this sort of horseshit, the fucking Illuminati are free to take all the cheap shots at us that they like. This is the TRUE meaning behind “Sucker Punch”.

    Can’t deal with reality? Dissociate. Go to paradise. What the fuck do you think organized religion has to say? Same thing. Live in a fantasy world and strive towards the “Reward” of eternal paradise by appeasing a cruel and ruthless deity. The Illuminati believe themselves to be gods. Mind Control handlers associate themselves in their victims’ minds with God. This whole clusterfucktastic mess is because humanity has a horrifically warped idea of God and reality itself. You wanna know why the world is shitty? I just told you. It’s a result of deeply intrenched, highly intense, utterly convoluted cognitive dissonance. This is a holographic fucking universe. Don’t act so surprised when your mistakes come back to haunt you.

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  42. Truth Seeker says:

    I would like to say thank you for a great analysis of this film. I think there are several layers and themes running through this movie. I think the highly powerful visual imagery of the film is a meant as a trigger for descendants of the original Monarch mind control slaves. I agree with the theory that personal memory and experience can be passed on genetically from one generation to another.

    The original Monarch subjects were programmed through an extensive process of trauma, medication, and psychological conditioning. I think this programming is passed on from generation to next and can be triggered by films such as this. If you watch the HBO series Cathouse you can easily how young women have been programmed to willing “sex kittens.” In today’s culture being an adult film star or sex worker is not something to hide or be ashamed. It is now considered a career choice.

    Recent mainstream such as “The Girl Next Door,” “Zack and Miri Make Porno”, and “Girl Friend Experience” have pushed this agenda into the mainstream. “Sucker Punch” supposedly ends with the theme that “Sweet Pea” has her handler could it be she has just exchanged one handler/pimp for another? I there is an agenda push forward the concept that prostitution equals feminism equals freedom.

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  43. Awake says:

    Beautiful article!!

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  44. Inachu says:

    The one eyed rabbit on the t-shirt is taken from Japanese old buddist mythology and I am sure
    many people of all races have seen this before when you visit an asian store or more notably a japanese store that has buddah with just one eye.

    There is a story to it and it goes like this:
    A man wanted to become a buddist monk and so he joined a buddist temple and through long hours of meditation he was always punished for falling asleep. He was so upset at falling asleep and he truly wanted to attain his goals so he cut off both eyelids so he could not fall asleep and so he was able to attain his zen meditation finally. So this now translates in the short story as the figurines you see to buy with no eyes. Now make your wish by drawing in 1 eye. When your wish comes true or you attain your goal then draw in the other eye and now you see.

    I’ll buy the dvd tonight!

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  45. A Christian says:

    I think “they” already have made it so cool people want to be in on it. For them it is all about control, power, greed, etc. For the masses…people naturally want to be accepted, they want to feel they are a part of something bigger than themselves, they want to feel needed and wanted (even in perverse ways), everyone else is doing it, and life can really stink sometimes so why not “have fun” by escaping once in a while?

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  46. MATMARSYNDICATE says:

    Also its weird that the “wheres my mind” song is also in Fight Club.

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  47. o brien says:

    It’s a great song.

    Pixies were onto this shit aeons ago. Go read their lyrics, from just about every song. They are from Boston. Heart of the darkness. Pixies Rock BTW.

    If you want to understand this shit, and avoid being trapped in the indoctrination, you need to tread a fine line, and keep something real, maintain your own mind. That’s why a lot of true freedom fighters are/ go crazy. They venture further, sometimes, they don’t come back.

    Like Kurtz in Apocalypse Now, “I’ve seen horrors… horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that… but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror… Horror has a face… and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces…”

    The philistines will never understand, you have to leave them behind.

    Thank God for VC

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  48. Annonymous says:

    It’s only strange if you haven’t understood what Fight Club is about. And if you haven’t, it’s because its themes are completely foreign to your life. In other words, you need to know it, beforehand, in order to comprehend it.

    Fight Club is about a man who is asleep, and enslaved by modern consumerism. Someone who believes that ”the perfect couch” will make his life ”complete”. It’s about the shallowness of modern existence, and the counter productiveness of fulfilling one’s life with material, aesthetically pleasing, things… devoid of all things. His subconscious, who, by the way, has a certain flare for the dramatic, then goes on to destroy all his attachments; and with them, his own sense of self worth (this is key, he does this to himself). Only to replace all those ill gotten habits with a never ending struggle against himself. Testing his metal, and his instinct for self preservation, against all willing and able; symbolizing the struggle between the desire for comfort, safety, security, stability, and continuity, against chaos, the inevitable creation inherent in destruction, and self transcendence (for nothing that evolved ever continued). Once he has overcome himself, in every sense of the phrase, he then proceeds to bring that change to the world at large, begging with the destruction of the monetary system.

    If you ask me, Fight Club is about a man who’s awakened to the reality of his life and the absurdity of the modern era, and choose to have none of it.

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  49. MATMARSYNDICATE says:

    Such a good movie.

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  50. LVB says:

    The Horror…

    I’ve seen it, up close and personal. It is no friend of good souls. It is very much to be feared, but not in the same way that we both love and fear God’s infinite power – because His power overcomes all horror and darkness, and along with it comes infinite mercy and pure justice, for those who accept it.

    All darkness and horror will be destroyed, along with those souls who willingly cling to them to gain power in this world. Rude awakenings are very near for a great many lost souls…

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  51. MATMARSYNDICATE says:

    I meant Apocalypse now, not this kitty crap.

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  52. ong says:

    But see, no, sorry, I’ve seen this movie, realised what it had to say against abuse and its proponents but I never got the vibe that being held in a mental institution/used as a mind control slave is cool and sexy. If anything, the action sequences lull you into a false sense of empowerment only to “sucker punch” you with the realisation that while this dissociation happens the character is really in actual danger [like in the kitchen scene].

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  53. James says:

    I think there are a portion that’s down to be a part of the crowd and think it’s cool on some level and I think there are some that are actually victims/subjects. In learning from many of the articles on this site and outside of this site, what easier mind to control than one that’s already dissociated, thus an entertainer. Many entertainer’s already create alter egos and personas; their stage persona vs their personal (private) persona. They would seem like easier targets, those that are truly creative and have gifts. I read in an article the other day by Annette Bening, that her oldest saying to herself, is that “she’s able to act differently in front of the camera and be another person.” She spoke of how her private life was very quiet and reclusive, but in front the camera she’s someone else. Truly some of the top artists, political officials, those that have a public life and a private life, and have a hard time dissociating the two, are the victims…being present day controlled. We are witnessing it in front of our eyes and only know of it because of informational venues such as this site and others.

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  54. Mia says:

    I think someone needs to watch Jordan Maxwell, along with the Zeitgeist Movies.

    The Church is in on it!!!

    The Bible has been re-written many, many times!!!

    It’s how “They” control the masses!!!

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  55. Oye Vey says:

    Are you referring to the Catholic Church?

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  56. Adriana says:

    This isn’t about religion at all, and to my opinion “Greenpythontrail” religion isn’t the worst gift given to humanity is the best I mean when things get as bad as it is in our actual time the only thing that is letting us move on is hope and the faith we have toward our own beliefs no matter what religion you follow we all want the same stuff.

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  57. MATMAR says:

    Yeah I agree, Zeitgeist= atheist propaganda. Does no one see how much these people want you to admire/worship Satan. If they can’t make you do that, whats the next best thing? ATHEISM, you will still wind up with Satan. Why even take the risk, I don’t get it. Repent, be good and humble and you will be rewarded, why are people so offended by this?

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  58. Aqui1es says:

    Maybe because the goal of that bastards is to turn all the people in egotistical, apatical, moron consumist robots. I read that some fishers helped the people who jump to the freezing waters in Utoya and that kind of behavior (sponsored by religions, mainly christians) is what they want to rip apart from the world.

    John 1:5
    And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

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  59. 23Skidoo says:

    I actually think she sounds pretty intelligent. At least she isn’t insulting anyone.

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  60. Annonymous says:

    Sexy name Mia, always liked that name ;-)

    Anyways! On to a more serious note…

    The Church demands obedience, and imposes a tax, if you will, on God. ”If you wanna talk to God, you’ll have to go through me”. In any case,

    The very essence of Church mind control, and mass manipulation, lies in the belief that ”if you do as I tell you, I will give you a cookie! (Heaven) and if you don’t, I will spank you! (Hell). So says our Father.”

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out, though it does take a child to believe it.

    I particularly enjoy the movie Equilibrium when it comes to this particular topic. It’s a blatant, albeit somewhat obscured, criticism of modern religious ideology. And in criticizing what is, proposes, through mere implication, an alternative for what should be… natural and free communion with ourselves, and the Gods within.

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  61. Tom says:

    I’ve posted before, but have never really been responded to. Could I get a response to this question? As a teacher in the public school system (I will not mention which), would you folks who post comments suggest that I talk about this stuff (MK ULTRA, etc.) in my psychology/sociology classes, or do you think that would just turn the kids off?

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  62. Shadow Boxer says:

    HI Tom,

    I’d chase up some info on Michael Tsarion where he has worked with kids in school helping them to identify the use of symbolism in the media,etc… that’d be a good starting point I would imagine to start opening their eyes…. I would also think you might need to initially test the kids depth of knowledge and awareness…. at least start by asking open ended questions to get participation…. who knows they might even be monarchs themselves… Best of Luck…

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  63. Sarah Connor says:

    Yes!! Talk about it! You have tons of unclassified documents, reports and videos at your disposal should you choose to bring it up as a topic of discussion. It very well may go over mosts heads, or cares, but it is the ones you will reach, and change that you should do it for. This generation is important!!! I am a psych major and I wish this would have been discussed! It explains MPD.

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  64. J says:

    Tom. I think it is an excellent idea! But just talk about what is possible and how and what people are SAYING happened to them and how that is possible etc Don’t be a “true believer” as that can be a turn off. It’s too hard to believe everything Brice(for example) is saying. It could have happened because truth is stranger then fiction -but it also could have not and as woud Kev says, the memories could be false or implanted.

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  65. Tom says:

    Hey Shadow Boxer. Thank you so much! Your points are well taken and I will look into Mr. Tsarion’s material. Many blessings.

    I have another question. Why does the Illuminati need to put stuff into videos/movies if they already have their mind-control victims? Excuse my ignorance…

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  66. Tom says:

    @Shadow Boxer…

    I’ve seen some good stuff from Michael Tsarion. Thanks. He’s seems to be the center of some controversy…deleted from Wiki, etc…what’s up with that?

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  67. 23Skidoo says:

    This was in reply to o brien, not sure why it posted in the wrong place.

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  68. Sarah Connor says:

    This comment was for teacher Tom ;-)

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  69. Tom says:

    Thanks, Sarah, for the encouragement! Blessings on your studies.

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  70. Kev says:

    Michael Tsarion is a disinformant. He is advocating the dogmas and doctrines of the theosophical society, which means that he tries to lure you in by giving you half-truths. He even called Helena Petrovna Blavatsky – the mastermind behind the theosophical society – “the greatest scholar ever known”.

    For more information see:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeIVz9lCZqQ

    Be careful with these people, they have their own agendas. This is called controlled opposition. These people give you true knowledge as a bait and mislead you after. It’s like with the Zeitgeist movies.

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  71. Tom says:

    Thank you Sarah, but I didn’t see the comment…

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  72. Tom says:

    Thank you, Kev. After briefly watching one of his videos – in which he was praising Aleister Crowley – I was “a little” suspicious.

    Any advice on the teaching thing?

    Blessings.

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  73. Kev says:

    Concerning your inquiry about your teaching:

    I would be careful with what you teach since the material that is out there on the topic is rather sparse and certainly can not stand the proof of any half-way serious and meticulous fact-checking or research.

    One of the major contributors – Fritz Springmeister – for instance, is shrouded in controversies and he used partake in dubious activities himself. Certain sections of his books are disjointed rants, indicating a confused and distorted perception. In my own opinion, he has never come across as a upright and honest person. How did this person get to all this intrinsic insight, anyway? There was almost nothing about it before.

    Other books of apparently deprogrammed mind control victims (Caty O’Brien, Cisco Wheeler) are even worse. There are claims so outlandish, it borders utter lunacy.

    I am not saying that these things don’t exist, but who is to say that these people and their books and tales aren’t part of the controled opposition? Disclosing information about mind control but not providing the whole truth, not providing any meaningful answers or solutions. Who is to say that these people who apparently have been deprogrammed are not, in reality, still totally mind-controlled, having been burdened with implanted and false memories. They would not even be aware of this themselves. They would totally believe in their own stories.

    Spritz Springmeister himself commenced one of his famous presentations that you can find on Youtube by saying that a big part of counter intelligence in the Second World War involved a method where spies providing 90% truth to opponents, mingling this with 10% lies, whereby these 10% rendered the 90% worthless. Who is to say that he is not inflicting this very method on his audience while blatantly telling them about it?

    In sum, I think teaching about these things could potentially damage your reputation as a scholar since the information out there is, simply, not enough conclusive to be self-evident. I admire your considerations and I think we need more of people like you who try to go a different way then it comes to the educational system. Nevertheless, you need to think carefully about what exactly it is that you want to spread, and how good you can substantiate it.

    You could attempt to do more research into DID in general, and I am sure that there are individuals out there (psychologists) that have done their own effort figuring out the connection between DID and Mind Control. You could bring that up.

    But, by all means, please refrain from using sources like Fritz Springmeier or Cathy O’Brien.

    Hope this helped to a certain degree.

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  74. o brien says:

    Watch Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in class and ask them to critique it in a group session. The smart ones will lead you into a discussion and you will probably end up learning something, rather than “teaching”, which is an obsolete notion nowadays.

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  75. Tom says:

    Thanks Kev. Points well taken. Actually I have “Transformation of America” in my classroom. Your point about reputation is well-taken as I do not want to appear as a nut. Some of them have recognized the masonic messages in videos by Jay-Z and Beyonce. Thank you for your time.
    Blessings.

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  76. TruthBeTold says:

    Kev…so nice to read your reasoned words. Yes we must test all things. I hope you will continue to post your ideas.

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  77. Tom says:

    Kev,

    If not Springmeier, then to whom do I turn?

    Blessings,
    Tom

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  78. J says:

    I like your critical analysis of the situtation. We must be careful not to discount these sources as completely crazy but we must each continue our own individual search for truth, and use our brains instead of being content with spoonfeeding.

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  79. Aquiles says:

    Hi! Kev I agree with you. We need contundent proofs, I haven´t read Fritz Springmeier or other people related. But the topic of mind control is true, you only need to read about MK Ultra.

    Here is a video of a girl that among another inconsistencies speaks about some disturbing things that VC speaks in this great site. He says that, “they killed Mouriño”, Mouriño was the first interior minister in the government of Calderon and he died in strange circumstances, due to the fall of a plane, people in Mexico never trusted the official version. Who knows what happen… and with that girl.

    Gabriela Rico Jimenez, mind control victim?

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  80. Tom says:

    Thanks O Brien. I will look into it.

    Blessings.

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  81. Aensensen says:

    You see, friend, going for the next best thing is “naturall” for us today, but saying there’s only “ATHEISM” is somewhat ignorant of you (which is not a bad thing per se, who knows maybe you’re still young and haven’t made your own ideals yet).

    I definetely understand why you feel like “Zeitgeist” movies are an atheist propaganda. But that is only beacuse the message in zeitgeist is presented in that particular way – the narrator is some unbareably irritating guy who talks like he’s got the ‘encyclopedia of truth’ up his ass, the moviemaker made some parallels that made no sense, a lot of ideas are flat and there is certanly a lot of finger pointing going on. BUT, zeitgeist is a gem if you know how to separate the good from the bad – and for that you need to work a lot.

    I myself have begun my ‘real’ education about 4-5 years ago, and I can be sure about very little if anything at all. All you get by searching is more questions, and none of them are gonna get answered by themselves.

    Now, about you saying “Why even take the risk, I don’t get it. Repent, be good and humble and you will be rewarded, why are people so offended by this?”. People are offended by this because it directly confronts with their primal essence – and that is the need (yes, need, not wish) to know, otherwise how can you be sure your life has any sense or purpose.

    Now, maybe for you the statement in the quotes above makes perfect sense, and that is ok. Maybe your present incarnation has to figure out something else in this life, every incarnation of the soul has a purpose, a purpose to enrich the spirit in some way, otherwise – why live at all. Therefore finding the truth about the world in which your soul is incarnated is of extreeme importance.

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