Historian: The “Curse of Tutankhamun” Was Ritual Murders Carried Out by Aleister Crowley
By VC | November 12th, 2011 | Category: Latest News | 123 comments
Crowley in the "Osiris pose"
Aleister Crowley is often mentioned on this site as his occult works appear to be highly influential in today’s mass media. This week, a rather interesting yet troubling piece of news surfaced regarding Crowley: a historian believes that deaths attributed to the “Curse of Tutankhamun” were in fact ritual killings carried out by him. Here’s an article from The Telegraph regarding the historian Mark Beynon findings.
Curse of Tutankhamun may have been work of Satanist killer
Six mysterious London deaths famously attributed to the ‘Curse of Tutankhamun’ were actually murders by notorious Satanist Aleister Crowley, a historian claims in a new book.
Incredible parallels between Crowley and Jack the Ripper have also been discovered during research by historian Mark Beynon.
Throughout the 1920s and 1930s, London was gripped by the mythical curse of Tutankhamun, the Egyptian boy-king, whose tomb was uncovered by British archaeologist Howard Carter.
More than 20 people linked to the opening of the pharaoh’s burial chamber in Luxor in 1923 bizarrely died over the following years – six of them in the capital.
Victims included Carter’s personal secretary Captain Richard Bethell, who was found dead in his bed from suspected smothering at an exclusive Mayfair club.
Bethell’s father Lord Westbury then plunged seven floors to his death from his St James’s apartment, where he reportedly kept tomb artefacts gifted by his son.
And Aubrey Herbert, half-brother of Carter’s financial backer Lord Carnarvon, also died suspiciously in a Park Lane hospital shortly after visiting Luxor.
At the time, a frenzied Press blamed the ‘Curse of Tutankhamun’ for the deaths and speculated on the supernatural powers of the ancient Egyptians.
But Mr Beynon has now drawn on previously unpublished evidence to conclude the deaths were all ritualistic killings masterminded by Crowley, an occultist dubbed “the wickedest man in the world”.
After unique analysis of Crowley’s diaries, essays and books and inquest reports, the armchair detective argues that he was a Jack the Ripper-obsessed copycat killer.
Crowley, who called himself ‘The Great Beast’, apparently had his own motives to tarnish the legacy of Carter’s legendary discovery.
The gods and goddesses of Crowley’s own religious philosophy, Thelema, were mainly drawn from ancient Egyptian religion.
He believed himself to be a prophet of a new age of personal liberty, controlled by the ancient Egyptian god Horus.
It is likely that he would have found Carter’s excavation sacrilegious and wanted revenge, according to Mr Beynon.
In his new book ‘London’s Curse: Murder, Black Magic and Tutankhamun in the 1920s West End’, published this week by The History Press, Mr Beynon pins seven deaths on Crowley, six of which took place in London:
- Raoul Loveday (16 February 1923): the 23-year-old Oxford undergraduate was a follower of Crowley’s cult at a Sicilian abbey. He died on the same day at the very hour of Carter’s much-publicised opening of Tutankhamun’s burial chamber. He died after drinking the blood of a cat sacrificed in one of Crowley’s rituals and Mr Beynon argues that he was deliberately poisoned.
- Prince Ali Kamel Fahmy Bey (10 July 1923): a 23-year-old Egyptian prince shot dead by his French wife of six months, Marie-Marguerite, in London’s Savoy Hotel shortly after he was photographed visiting the tomb. Mr Beynon says that Crowley and Marie-Marguerite had been lovers in Paris. She was working as a hostess at the Folies Bergère and he was a regular patron at the same venue. He suggests that Crowley put her up to the shooting.
- Aubrey Herbert (23 September 1923): shortly after Marie-Marguerite’s acquittal, Aubrey Herbert, the half-brother of Lord Carnarvon, died of blood poisoning after a routine dental operation went suspiciously wrong at his private hospital in Park Lane. He had only recently returned from his own trip to Luxor. Mr Beynon speculates that Crowley was behind the death and may again have used Marie-Marguerite to do his dirty work.
- Captain Richard Bethell (15 November 1929): Howard Carter’s 46-year-old personal secretary was found dead in his bed at Mayfair’s exclusive Bath Club. Bethell was said to have been in perfect health. It was initially thought that he died of a heart attack but his symptoms raised suspicion that he was smothered to death as he slept. Crowley had only recently returned to London and was often a guest of novelist W. Somerset Maugham at the club.
- Lord Westbury (20 February 1930): Bethell’s father, Lord Westbury, 77, was believed to have thrown himself off his seventh floor St James’s apartment. But Mr Beynon found that it was practically impossible for an elderly man to have climbed out onto the window ledge and suggests that Crowley threw him off.
- Edgar Steele (24 February 1930): only four days later, Edgar Steele, 57, who was in charge of handling the tomb artefacts at London’s British Museum, died at St Thomas’ Hospital after a minor stomach operation. Mr Beynon speculates that Crowley was behind the death.
- Sir Ernest Wallis Budge (23 November 1934): A former Keeper in the British Museum’s Department of Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities, he was found dead in his bed in Bloomsbury aged 77. A friend of Lord Carnarvon, he had been responsible for displaying the artefacts from Luxor. Mr Beynon says there is evidence that Budge and Crowley were associates on the London occult scene.
Crowley, who was born into a wealthy upper class family in 1875, had a controversial doctrine for life of ‘Do What Thou Wilt’.
The bisexual heroin addict gained notoriety for advocating sexual promiscuity and prostitution and was dubbed ‘the wickedest man in the world’ by the Press.
Mr Beynon paints a picture of a dangerous schizophrenic known to have murdered his servants in India.
Crowley never mentions the deaths in his diaries but often wrote that his mood had “lifted” the day after them.
He was obsessed with Jack the Ripper, writing numerous essays and poems about him.
He socialised with Ripper suspect Walter Sickert and Mr Beynon argues that Crowley used the Ripper’s killing spree as inspiration for his own efforts years later.
Crowley wrote in his diaries that he believed the locations of five of the Ripper’s murders in Whitechapel in 1888 formed a pentagram – an important star-shaped symbol in Satanism.
Mr Beynon claims that the locations of five of Crowley’s ‘murders’ form a copycat pentagram.
Crowley believed that the Ripper’s murders had afforded him special powers, including invisibility.
Mr Beynon says that he thought his murders would also render him invisible.
To test his theory, he famously walked through London’s Café Royal restaurant ridiculously dressed in a mustard-coloured cloak adorned with occultist symbols.
When customers fell silent and were too perturbed to speak to him, he assumed they could not see him.
Outlining his macabre theory, Mr Beynon said: “When I researched these deaths, Crowley’s name popped up again and again.
“There is plenty of circumstantial evidence linking him to all the deaths and his diaries and books are riddled with clues linking him to these crimes.
“I have just put all the pieces of the jigsaw together.
“So much of Crowley’s belief system was steeped in ancient Egypt.
“He would have seen the opening of Tutankhamun’s tomb as desecration.
“This was a man given to extensive world travel and yet we know he was in London when at least four of the six deaths occurred.”
He added: “I hope the book will appeal to anyone with an interest in crime or London history.
“I was fascinated researching London in the 20s and 30s.
“On the surface, it was very glitzy and glamorous but there was a dark underbelly that provided the ideal stage for this story.
“Everyone was obsessed with the supposed Curse of Tutankhamun striking down high society victims.
“But until now, no-one has ever realised that they may well have been murdered.”
Is the historian on to something or is this nonsensical jibberjabber? Hard to say, I wasn’t in England 90 years ago.
For more information on Aleister Crowley, read my full article on him entitled Aleister Crowley: His Elite Ties and His Legacy (which might be a little more objective).
Very interesting!
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Unwilling to verify because my Murdoch Block doesn’t allow the telegraph ;]
Yep very interesting… this man was a lunatic right? I feel sorry for him, ‘cos as the way his biography is written, it seems that he died not asking for mercy, or calling God to come to help him, I mean, he died with no regret, if he’d be born again he’d do the same mistakes he did in past life. That’s why I’m sorry for him.
And there are some others lunatic here saying that man have created God so that they could control the mankind, change the statement and you’ll have the truth “God created man with capacity and enough intelligence to control theirselve’s lives and capable to know what is right and what is wrong”.
Now please don’t bring here in our favourite webpage yours blasphemies agaisnt our beloved God.
PEACE
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Well, admittedly Crowley did study the occult, however he was definitely not only a Satanist.
He did not only incorporate Christian values into his workings, but also Hindu, Muslim and Egyptian deities.
His knowledge of symbolism and of the psyche was above all others in his time (see Liber 777).
Whoever reads Liber AL and it’s supplement, Liber 31.
He did create and propagate an awesome ideology (Thelema), which is very often misinterpreted. Read Liber 77 (OZ) http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0077.html
Also, unless the author of the article provides reference, his work isn’t even worth a penny.
Phorky , who said, “Well, admittedly Crowley did study the occult, however he was definitely not only a Satanist.
He did not only incorporate Christian values into his workings, but also Hindu, Muslim and Egyptian deities.”
Let me explain something to you that satanists do. Satanists incorporate Christian, Hindu, Muslim, and Egyptian deities together. The whole point is to discredit all religions in any way possible. Either by discriminating against it or by homogenizing all religions together. How does a man take all of those religions and mix them together and then that same man be so vain as to say , “Look, I’ve made something holy”. No, I’m sorry, Phorky, but you have fallen for a great deception given by Satan , the great deceiver.
Very interesting indeed… From what I know of Crowley, murder would be within his capability, and the way these deaths occurred – using others to do his dirty work etc. and the invisibility all certainly fit Crowley’s character.
Taken from a website about Freemasonry / Satanism… (link below)
“Crowley was a 33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the Scottish Rite and also held the 95 of the Rite of Memphis and the 90 of the Rite of Mizraim. While climbing up the Masonic ladder of success Crowley had been given the title by the Media of “the wickedest man alive”. It can be documented that Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title “The Father of Modern Satanism”…….”
http://ritualabusefree.org/Freemasonry%20and%20Satanism.htm
Sounds a bit like cannibal Albert Fish, whose father was a Freemason. He was executed back in the 30s.
Very interesting and intriguing. “The Wickedest Man on Earth”, suits him right on.
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Wow, just wow! This guy (the author) has most likely blown the lid off the murders with his theories. But how much do you want to bet that he will be discredited my the media and certain circles of the elite?
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Yeah, makes more since than “curse of the mummy” b.s…
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I never did believe The “Curse of Tutankhamun” was true, even when learning about it in History lessons at school… it just never made any sense to me. Now, Crowley sacrificing these people in ritual murder certainly makes perfect sense.
“The gods and goddesses of Crowley’s own religious philosophy, Thelema, were mainly drawn from ancient Egyptian religion.
He believed himself to be a prophet of a new age of personal liberty, controlled by the ancient Egyptian god Horus.
It is likely that he would have found Carter’s excavation sacrilegious and wanted revenge, according to Mr Beynon.”
This fits Crowley like a glove!!
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Fooled d while world for so many years
i feel as if he’s only the wickedest because he was brave enough to do things out in the open. these things happen all the time, only others do these sort of things in silence. its like african american rights, they did things little by little to get people used to the idea and now we love them equally, except this is on a negative level, getting the masses accustomed to the idea of a satanic new world.
You should read the article on VC’s other site Secret Arcana, and also read more about Crowley before playing down the evil behind the man. He was labelled the most Wickedest Man, as at the time, he was just that. A very powerful and wicked man, capable of any evil.
http://secretarcana.com/influentialfigures/aleister-crowley-and-his-legacy/
Brave? Bold and brazen? Yes. A talented writer and charismatic figure, clearly. But brave? To allow yourself to be pulled down by negative forces, and to try to bring others down with you, is hardly “brave” in my book.
To compare AC’s wicked, self-serving AGENDA and his ACTIONS to the ongoing struggle of African-Americans and other oppressed people to gain stature and RESPECT, is an insult to all of humanity.
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People of all races have been oppressed by people of other races all throughout history. White indentured servants had it much rougher than black slaves.
At any rate, Crowley was an evil man, hands down.
Do not confuse licentiousness with liberty.
I like how the press basically basically laughs at the idea they were murdered, calling it “macabre theory”, yet dont for a minute hesitate to believe a magical egyptian curse did it. LOL.
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This is ridiculous.
No, it’s not. There is a lot about Crowley you obviously don’t know. Maybe you should check out a movie based on research done on him. http://wp.me/P15xJX-S
How is this ridiculous?
Do you know the myth behind the Curse of Tutankhamun? – That is quite ridiculous!
Do you know anything or much about Crowley? Although, yes, his story is quite ridiculous too. Ridiculous, because of just how much power and influence such an evil, satanist and occultist who performed his Magick rites and rituals, had on the world through his secret society and freemasonry and the fact he was wealthy and a big name socially. The fact is though, that he wasn’t very secretive about his work, and boasted quite openly about it and wrote many books of his Magick and occult work and practices. And so, his life is very well documented. Read about him, before dismissing this very, very plausible article as being ridiculous.
You don’t know anything about me, of course I’ve read Crowley. I never comment on anything unless I’m informed. Nowadays anyone can write a book and “claim” something, but that doesn’t make it true.
Wow Crowley must have been a professional assassin! I don’t see the problem with Crowley, if the guy believed in his own things then that’s his life. You people believe in your faith, nobody tells you anything.
Also, before you say Crowley ‘sacrificed’ people, may I point out the bloody history of Christianity, from the Crusades to Columbus and the natives. The Salem trials, burning non believers alive. And some other fun torture stuff!
Dear hidden hand, I hope your being paid large sums of fiat monopoly money to type such drivel. One thing people that come to this website are NOT, is easily mislead with double speak or lies. We, well at least I, don’t take articles at face value. For you see I have been a liar and have been lied to for many years, but ever since I found my salvation in my heavenly father, other than murderous so called elite psychopathic people, I detest lying. So don’t pass off the crusades as something that could be anything related to Christ. Most here know the Vatican is a satanic outfit funded and backed by the powers that shouldn’t be. Just remember I love you, but more importantly, your creator does. Peace
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It is wrong to keep studying crowley when we already know
This is disturbing, nice post VC!
Just ask jayz and k.west I’m sure that they can co-sign anything and everything about crowley. Aleshia Keys too for that matter since she seems to follow the likes of Crowley so much that she named her child Egypt.
lol What? Egypt is the name of a country. Crowley didn’t name it Egypt. You’re beyond ridiculous! And what’s wrong with Egypt? It pre-dates your god and saviour, it even pulled the virgin birth before. So I tend to believe the first thing, the original, not the copycat.
Hey napoleon, Shill Out.
@hiddenhand – it’s simple to explain – what many forget is that satan was very close to GOD – Jah (Yahweh) and therefore must have known some things to come. he (satan) was around at the creation – so when he was cast out he was given reign over this world – so wanting to be like GOD, he copied everything and brought it to fruition like u say many years before JESUS OUR SAVIOUR. so don’t dismiss the the real copycat has always been satan.
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Scary terrible evil man i don’t even like to look at his pictures! gives me the creeps! :O
Ever see the movie Jack the Ripper with Johnny Depp? Is is soo occultic, so I don’t doubt this one bit.
Interesting to say the least. I read an article that has some very compelling arguments that lord Randolph Spencer Churchill (yes Winston’s daddy) was jack the ripper. You can read for yourself at Henrymakow.com. Doesn’t surprise me so called royalty knocked upon a prostitute and instead of taking care of woman and child to be they embark on a murderous coverup. You see you have to kill all who may know the secret to keep it just that.
Good old Winston had his own fair share of dealings with the occult too… Father and Son both being Freemasons, and Winston being initiated into the Ancient Order of Druids.
Just been reading that article, and like you say, VERY compelling.
@Soulreaper
No, you’re right, I know nothing about you…
You have READ Crowley or read ABOUT Crowley?
You say READ Crowley… Therefore, you’re dismissing of the article as “ridiculous” just makes me (and no doubt others on here) think that you are a follower and / or admirer of Crowley.
I asked you “How is this ridiculous?” yet you don’t answer…
It reminds me of “the powers that be” who dismiss “conspiracy theory” as “ridiculous” – then once again, the “conspiracy theory” is proven correct.
Are you saying this article is ridiculous because you admire Crowley? and the possibility that he murdered these people – and not that some dark curse followed them across the earth and killed them, like some Scooby Doo mystery (I can just picture Crowley now “those pesky kids have discovered that I murdered those men) – would jeopardise these admirations?
I ask again then… How is this ridiculous?
“I never comment on anything unless I’m informed” – you comment yes, but show none of the backing information you claim to have…
“Nowadays anyone can write a book and “claim” something, but that doesn’t make it true”
This has always been the case… Just as the curse story was written back at the time. I ask you this as well… Which story sounds more plausible of the two?
1. A mysterious curse follows people around the world and kills them under very suspicious circumstances.
or
2. A well known satanist, nutjob, occultist, promoter of blood rituals and “do what thou wilt” with reason and motive to reap revenge, has them murdered or murders them himself
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I thought love was the law??? Murder doesn’t seem to be very loving
let me just say this is some mess up schizo murder mass witchcraft
let us pray “dear holy Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, please help us with all your might
to never let me or others be possessed to commit such horrible crimes. guide
us and protect us from mass murderers and witchcraft. also, thank you for your
inspiration throughout the bible and letting me know that the party in hell will be
cancelled due to fire. Amen”
Bless-ed is thy Vigilant Citizen. Thanks again. God Bless
seems there’s a lot of pro Crowleyites on here in retaliation to this article and comments made…
How can anyone justify Satanism, unless they follow Satan?
How can anyone defend Crowley, unless they admire and follow Crowley?
Oh, I forgot, it’s “cool” to be into Crowley. It makes you sound interesting at dinner parties. It makes you seem a bit edgy, dangerous or free – Doing what thou wilt…
This, again shows, how blinkered people can be towards one thing, but claim to be awake and informed. Sounds like brain washing to me!
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“How can anyone defend Crowley, unless they admire and follow Crowley?”
You can dislike a person AND be suspicious of the tabloid scandal and sensationalism.
There have been comments defending Crowley, and even showing admiration.
Fair enough about your point: “suspicious of the tabloid scandal and sensationalism”
The subject certainly does need researching and proving / disproving, one way or the other.
My initial view, after reading the article a couple of times, is that it certainly makes sense. A lot more sense than the official story of a mummies curse following the archeologists back to London to then kill them. Why in London? Why in the freemasonic city that is London? Why not in the pyramid? Why not in Egypt? Why the suspicious deaths? Surely a curse would use it’s supernatural abilities to make a clean death, and not make most of the deaths look like murder.
Don’t forget, Crowley was a well known man, socially. He was a powerful Freemason, and would have known these people, or known people who knew them, or knew people who knew people who did. They were famous archeologists, and the Freemasons would no doubt have connections, seeing as they don’t like to not be a part of what’s going on. Archeology would be high on that list of things to be a part of – especially when it involves Egypt and the Pyramids. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Freemasons were behind the expeditions in the first place… in search of their artefacts and occult / esoteric knowledge and the lost word of God.
The point made about him seeking revenge for their disturbing or desecration of the tomb and his personal beliefs, rings true in my ears. It’d be similar to anyone finding say Jesus’ tomb (if one existed) and raiding it for artefacts and divine knowledge – desecrating it. It would most certainly of angered, the self named “Great Beast”.
Outlining his macabre theory, Mr Beynon said: “When I researched these deaths, Crowley’s name popped up again and again.
“There is plenty of circumstantial evidence linking him to all the deaths and his diaries and books are riddled with clues linking him to these crimes.
“I have just put all the pieces of the jigsaw together.
“So much of Crowley’s belief system was steeped in ancient Egypt.
“He would have seen the opening of Tutankhamun’s tomb as desecration.
“This was a man given to extensive world travel and yet we know he was in London when at least four of the six deaths occurred.”
To me, this article makes perfect sense, compared to a “curse” killing them off one by one, like the smoke monster from LOST!!!
Times like this is when i need a break from electricity
I second that, my body, mind and soul is at complete peace when hiking or mountain biking a long, winding forest trail, especially this time of year. The euphoria last just long enough till I see the first chem-trail. Man-made EMF shall likely cause a great many death.
Notice that no one here is saying “Interesting idea! I’ll read it, research the points throughly and then make a decision.”
The people posting here are biased, and biased people aren’t after the truth; they’re after affirmation of their worldview.
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I’d say that after reading it, yes it was interesting but I have no desire to research it to prove it to be true. In my opinion this article basically shows the correlation between Crowley and the murders- it was argued nicely (except that parts that just said I THINK HE PUSHED HIM OUT THE WINDOW…like what evidence supports dat shit) and that’s all i really needed.
I think if I went crazy seeking the “truth” of the matter I’d be more preoccupied and distracted then the “illuminati” could wish for.
But yea, if it was disproven or someone challenged it, I’d be like cool.
We need to remember as readers of media (especially on the internet) that common sense and logic should lead our absorption of media. Just because VC says it doesn’t mean it’s true. Just because MTV says it doesn’t mean it’s a cursed lie. Black and white tiles y’all.
The article brought up loose correlations, and you do know that’s not causation, right?
I’ve researched both sides of the sensationalism, and when it comes to Crowley’s history it’s more about tabloid rumors that he promulgated and inflamed intentionally. For example, that story about Crowley and his son MacAlister checking into a hotel to summon a demon, and the resulting death of the son. He never had a son. The story was false, but sensational and repeated to this day. If he was alive he’d be really pleased by your reaction here.
The motivation the author keeps throwing out is that the exhibition would be a “desecration,” but Crowley was not a faithful practitioner of Egyptian religion; he appropriated the deities and revised their personalities and aims. He also appropriated Hermetic and Judaic mysticism and mixed that in. There’s no orthodoxy to his system to murder over.
The article also keeps throwing out the sensationalist “Satanist” label. Crowley used Biblical labels to stir controversy and get revenge against his upbringing, but ultimately it was a metaphor; he didn’t believe in the Christian deities.
Get a clue.
Do what thou wilt is a statement of fact, not a command.
You always do what you want. You can have the ability to “want” removed from you by brain interference, or the ability to “do” removed by physically binding you; but whenever you are able to act and able to desire you WILL Do what thou wilt.
It’s a fact.
It is about following your own personal path… Whether that path is for good or evil. Like you say, taking away the want, and just doing. This is a very dangerous thing to preach. It opens the door to anything goes, because I do what my will tells me, whatever that may be. It is about lawlessness – including common law. It is anarchy in it’s “purest” form.
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” is the full phrase, and not just the shortened “Do what thou wilt”
I don’t even believe in free will, I don’t see why we need it to explain anything. It’s useful to communicate as though free will exists.
There is no need to believe free will exists for us to accept that we experience choice. I mean it’s basic neuroanatomy that your amygdala receives information and reacts to it before your higher cortices.
I know what the whole phrase is and I’ve read The Beast 666′s work. Life already is anarchy. You can’t be more anarchist than we already are. It is your responsibility to sink or swim in the environment that you’re placed in. If you’re not exceptional enough to succeed then you fail the test.
If you were spawned and murdered before you could defend yourself then that’s all your life ever could have been because there is no chemical alternative.
Blanco, I just have to say it. YOU are soo on the ball with ur stuff. Written so well and easy to understand. I could go on reading your comments for days on in. I agree with everything you said. I use to wonder who in the world would wage war with God and now I know. Some of them are here…
You forget the other part of the motto
“Love is the Law. Love under Will.”
You’re advocating the “Law” as if it was mindless hedonism. It wasn’t about what you “want”, but a higher purpose that’s revealed only after a regimen of strict spiritual and mental discipline.
That’s what Crowley wrote, though I doubt he practiced it. He lived as a parasite and destroyed everyone who showed him consideration.
Romans 3:20 “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall ne flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
there shall no flesh*
wow! I never thought that the “Curse” and Aleister Crowley were so intertwined. The author is definitely right about there being a dark underbelly to the glamorous facade of 1920′s-1930′s London, which was a time of great occult activity that happened to coincide with archaeological discoveries that were taking place in Egypt and elsewhere at the time. The recent “Mummy” films do a g0od job of portraying the era
You think Brendan Fraser movies do a good job of portraying history.
Go occupy a library in your five dollar Guy Fawkes mask. “None of us is as ignorant as all of us” is a more accurate motto.
@wolf88
Another defender and admirer of Crowley then?
“I’ve read The Beast 666′s work”
Do you enjoy eating shit, and drinking blood too?
Life is not anarchy. There is anarchy in life. If we lived in a total lawlessness, we would not be here at all. We’d be devoured by anarchy. And your statement “You can’t be more anarchist than we already are” is utter nonsense, if I’m blunt. Most people on this planet are good, caring, nurturing souls, who want peace and harmony. You are calling everyone an anarchist. I am not an anarchist, and how dare you label humanity as such.
“It is your responsibility to sink or swim in the environment that you’re placed in”
No it isn’t, at all. Another utter nonsense statement… That is what the governments of the world follow. Dog eat dog. Again, how dare you label humanity as savage dogs, killing or be killed. It is my responsibility to get on with my fellow man and to love and care for them. To serve others as I serve myself.
It sounds like you don’t even believe in Common Law?
“no harm, injury or loss to another human being”
You really do sound like a wolf…
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“but whenever you are able to act and able to desire you WILL Do what thou wilt.
It’s a fact.”
do you believe in free will, or not, because you’ve contradicted yourself there, unless I’m mistaken as to this statement explaining what free will is!
Well as I said, it’s useful to talk as though free will exists.
What is “choice”? It’s electrical and chemical reactions in your higher cortices. The end result is determined at the beginning.
By saying that you always do what you want I’m actually pointing out there is no choice it’s just a delay as you react to information.
There’s no contradiction.
If there is any one who does not participate in observance of common law then we do not live in a common law society.
People who share your viewpoint are required for balance just like the body requires hormones which have opposite effects. For a very basic example, think of epinephrine and norepinephrine.
A truly anarchic society would include people who create systems of law for one another. The fact that you adhere to a certain moral code is obvious and I have no problem with it. If you’re a sheep, you’re a sheep!
I don’t mean that in the pejorative sense that you’re mindless or whatever either, just that people who decide to turn the other cheek have set themselves up as victims. So be it!
A wolf has gotta eat, so it would be foolish to criticize the creatures lower on the food chain.
you really do have a twisted view of humanity… You are basically promoting immorality then.
“The fact that you adhere to a certain moral code is obvious and I have no problem with it”
Thanks for your permission to be a decent human who cares about humanity. You obviously don’t, by labelling me a sheep – however you mean it – and labelling yourself a wolf.
as for contradiction…
“but whenever you are able to act and able to desire you WILL Do what thou wilt.
It’s a fact.”
You say this IS FACT.
Then go on to say you don’t believe in this FACT… that is a contradiction, however you doublespeak it to fit your promoting Satanism, anarchy and hatred for humanity.
“people who decide to turn the other cheek have set themselves up as victims”
I don’t turn the other cheek. The fact I am taking time to argue with you says I don’t. I also am not a victim, weak or otherwise.
to quote Einstein
“I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace.”
@Blanco:
I’ve got to log off for now, but thanks for replying to the points I made. That’s actually a very important concept many people on this site don’t understand. Communicating our ideas requires dialogue, which requires responding to one another.
I meant “if you’re a sheep” in the sense of “if one is a sheep, one is a sheep!”
I tried to be clear that it wasn’t intended as a personal attack. I appreciate that you don’t turn the other cheek, good for you!
I’ll probably be checking back in a day and we can continue the conversation if it’s still going.
Doublethink and doublethink are indeed good tools. There’s no way to beat someone like that. You know when I first read 1984 I hated Winston? I never identified with him. He’s a drunken, chain-smoking loser. I always identified with O’Brien. Interesting, huh?
Well, safe travels!
more contradiction…
“A wolf has gotta eat, so it would be foolish to criticize the creatures lower on the food chain”
That is exactly what you’ve come on here and done
This is absurd.
Tara, I wasn’t “advocating a mindless hedonism”. Jesus Christ. How can it be mindless hedonism when even the most measured, thought-out response is the response you want to give?
You can’t want one thing and do another. It’s a lie. It’s misinformation. God, Christians have absolutely pitiful reading comprehension.
And no, I’m not a black metal fan, that’s a ridiculous and pointless thing to say. I’m in graduate school on my way to being a physician. I take good care of myself and I don’t enjoy brain-rotting consumerism. Keep projecting though.
Apparently my screen name got your delicate little panties in a twist. I think being so obsessed with the meaning of the name “wolf88″ shows your level of maturity.
Hopefully one day I’ll be part of releasing an agent to end your lives.
Godspeed!
The illuminati love the wolf like the terms lee harvey Oswald acted alone he was a lone wolf. Also the number 8 is the sun worshippers number in the occult.
The 88 connotes the poster is a Neo-Nazi
@Tara
Yeah, Wolf88 sounds like he is somekind of black metal satanist. Black metal fans are usually quite antisocial and hateful thinkers who admire nazism/faschism and misanthrophy. They feel that they are lone wolves in this mindless consumer society.
But still they byu huge amounts of plastic cd’s, LP’s and cassettes of that same hizzy-sounding chaotic noise and a lot of black t-shirts with different blasphemous symbols, just like those mindless barbie girls buying their latest MK-ULTRA style advertised Versace clothes.
I dunno about this one. Was aleister crowley an evil man? From what I’ve read, yeah. But why, all the sudden, is he responsible for the death of all these people? In an era when we’re being programmed to either hate him as a demon, or love him as a misunderstood human, why is it that everything evil that comes out has to do with him in some way? This entire story could be true, & I could be completly wrong, but why does it seem like he’s the only satanist that does anything? Was the curse of king tut real? I have no idea. Logic says no, but logic doesnt always win. It just seems to me like we’re being patterned here to hate a person by saying he’s responsible for everything. Yes, aleister crowley was an evil douche bag, but he’s merely a distraction. I highly doubt he had his hand in absolutely everything. He gets used like the US used bin laden: as a super villian capable of world domination. What do you think that means about who gives us this information? It doesnt mean that crowley or bin laden are less evil, it just means they want us to look at these people when we think of evil. But why? I certainly hope this story doesnt have some sort of agenda. But these days, you really never know.
What are you talking about? This book clearly gives evidence and isn’t trying to impose any views to brainwash anyone. You can’t compare Crowley and Bin Laden, I can’t even see where the heck you’re pulling this crap from. Crowley DID do a lot of disturbing shit and bragged about it HIMSELF. So YES he was a horrible, evil, and disgusting person. There are murders, and sexual stories relating to children involving him as well, so how can you imply that someone is trying to paint a false image of him? Why don’t you do some research? He’s scum and what sickens me more than anything is how many musicians have put him on a pedastal. So once again, who’s hating him exactly? They have good reasons to. He’s not ‘misunderstood’. Jesus.
Sorry I got a little frustrated there, I don’t mean to aim my response at you exactly, just that there seems to be a lot of people who are defending him. My apologies, what I said didn’t really correspond to you.
Crowley was a certified madman, an @sshole. His ramblings were just hilarious, I’ll give him that. Having a psychiatric illness isn’t an excuse for being an @sshole though.
His mother had also some lost screws from what I heard. Mental illness tends to be hereditary.
Keeping the bloodlines ” pure ” is a sure way to psychopathic tendency. Hence the ” the psychos are running the asylum.” be good.
… Not to mention the copious amounts of drugs that he did…. Surely that did not help with his mental issues, his already-over-inflated ego, and his complete utter disregard for life (besides his own).
murderous Egyptian cults in London? reminds me of the movie Young Sherlock Holmes
this music is very fitting I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOxFIREZpVc&feature=related
- “He would have seen the opening of Tutankhamun’s tomb as desecration. -
I find this hard to believe.
Crowley being who he was, would more likely want to get in on any discovery that the tomb provided, any new artifact or new knowledge. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of person who had any problem with desecrating things.
He seems to have been obsessed with power for power’s sake. And look how corrupted he got to be.
Crowley waited a dozen years to kill an old man, in one case. Maybe he wanted to learn what the old man knew, and after that when there was an opportunity he threw the guy off a balcony.
Or, maybe he threw the old guy first and then robbed him. It could go either way.
I’ve been putting a lot of thought into this today, after yesterday’s bombshells!!
I have thought about what you say, the power for powers sake, and not caring about desecration.
To me, that was an obvious motive, to kill the archeologists. Now I’ve reflected, it doesn’t quite fit Crowley’s character, like you say.
The motives possibly remain hidden, but it certainly involves their discovery of the tomb in some shape or form. That is, if the article is correct, which I still firmly believe is the answer to the mystery – or it is going well along the right lines anyway. Somewhere along those lines, the freemasons and Crowley most certainly have their place.
@NaMe…
I know this is off topic, but it’s in reply to your comment, so I hope VC doesn’t delete it (at least before you read it)…
I can’t reply to your comment directly, there’s no “reply” button.
Thank you for your kind words, though that is not why I am here, but I appreciate them all the same.
I just want to help people. Help people with understanding. I am not saying I am some great knowledge, or bragging about things. I just want to help! I can be blunt, I can be harsh sometimes. But, this isn’t out of malice, it is my way of stunning people when I can see something isn’t right. It is like “tough love”. I have been visiting VC for quite a while now, about a year or so. I have been privately researching for about 3 years. I didn’t post much though, until recently, I felt a rush, that compelled me to start helping people with understanding and coming to terms with the tribulations we are ALL going through. I am glad that what I have to say, has touched at least someone, thank you.
Stay strong, stay positive
After reading a reasonable amount of articles from VC and from the reading this articles; I realise that what I know is very limited. I think that the article extract from The Telegraph degrades him so much to the point where it seems unjust; I mean, if there were articles regarding murder- I would still expect them to tone down the own thoughts regarding the matter.
They belittle Crowley too much when in fact he is a clever man; the fact that he just strolls around whilst wearing a shocking yellow cloak and a pyramid on his head in plain sight. He knows that they can’t touch him because of the psychological barriers he puts around himself.
The extract repeatedly mentions the word copy-cat which I find quite strange for a public newspaper article, I find that the language is very vague and biased-not ideal; the way the article extract presented itself was as though a sign with BOLD LETTERS slams at your face and after reading it, you just brush it off. Apologies for my ranting and to compensate for that- VC makes the best articles.
This is absurd.
Tara, I wasn’t “advocating a mindless hedonism”. Jesus Christ. How can it be mindless hedonism when even the most measured, thought-out response is the response you want to give?
You can’t want one thing and do another. It’s a lie. It’s misinformation. God, Christians have absolutely pitiful reading comprehension.
And no, I’m not a black metal fan, that’s a ridiculous and pointless thing to say. I’m in graduate school on my way to being a physician. I take good care of myself and I don’t enjoy brain-rotting consumerism. Keep projecting though.
Apparently my screen name got your delicate little panties in a twist. I think being so obsessed with the meaning of the name “wolf88″ shows your level of maturity.
Hopefully one day I’ll be part of releasing an agent to end your lives.
Godspeed!
Hopefully that agent blows up in your hands so we don’t have to listen to your garbage anymore.
I personally suspect the ’88 is your birth year, and that you likely still live at home with your parents like most wannabe anarchists.
Well it probably wouldn’t be explosive, more likely nanotechnology or a biological agent. Anyway I would never take part if it wasn’t sanctioned by the government.
I’m not an anarchist anyway, friend. I was saying that we can’t live in a more anarchic society than we already do, that life already is anarchy.
I almost feel silly now, for ever suspecting it was anything but murder.
Absolutely nothing surprises me anymore.
“Impressive, Star Fox”.
Of course, there is a problem with the fact stated here that Maugham and Crowley were in any way friendly. Quite the opposite in fact, Maugham detested Crowley, and Crowley thought Maugham was a fool. The statement that “Crowley had only recently returned to London and was often a guest of novelist W. Somerset Maugham at the club.” is not only not true, it is not even remotely likely.
Knowing that, I wonder how many other of these bullet points are also inaccurate?
Lots of factual fallacies and conjecture. It’s shoddy work and smacks of a propaganda hit piece with a motive. Is the author a mason? I bet he IS.
Yes the Man who said that Universal Love was his calling was a hopeless murderer. Sure we can call him a Hedonist but if anyone has read his writings (in depth with an understanding of qabalistic symbolism & a huge understanding for all forms of literature/religion/spirituality)he used Drugs & Sex to further his pursuit of the Divine. Plus it seems like no one here has a philosophical understanding of what Will is (its not do what thou want silly billlies)
But to push the point and piss people off here is Liber OZ, A Document ofThelemic Philosophy in Plain Language:
“the law of the strong:
this is our law and the joy of the world.”
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”
“thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no other shall say nay.”
“Every man and every woman is a star.”
There is No God but Man
Man has the right to live by his own law—
to live in the way that he wills to do:
to work as he will:
to play as he will:
to rest as he will:
to die when and how he will.
Man has the right to eat what he will:
to drink what he will:
to dwell where he will:
to move as he will on the face of the earth.
Man has the right to think what he will:
to speak what he will:
to write what he will:
to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:
to dress as he will.
Man has the right to love as he will:—
“take your fill and will of love as ye will,
when, where, and with whom ye will.” —
Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.
“the slaves shall serve.”
“Love is the law, love under will.”
THE LAW IS FOR ALL
“Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.”
Is that a quote of his too? (I don’t recall off the top of my head, but I wouldn’t put it past him.)
@#2, With all due respect, I am no fool, I understand perfectly what WILL means, and I completely “get” the “nicer,” glossier side of his higher spiritual message. The problem, however, is that his manifesto was SO ego-centric, that it’s not unthinkable that he was capable of harming anyone who did not meet HIS image of how things should be. Not to mention that he advocated the idea of blood sacrifices. The perfect recipe for murder.
For all I know, he was the greatest guy who ever lived… a walking manifistation of love and light. But he sure did a good job of convincing the world otherwise. And his track record that HAS been documented (failed relationships, paramours going bonkers, etc. etc.) speaks for itself.
The point is I wouldn’t call it ego centred…. People get Personality (or little ego) and Ego (or the deeper aspect of ones core) easily mixed up. He taught people to break down their Personality to find who they truly are inside. The idea of Will is essentially a purging of all those little Terrestrial Concerns to find what one truly wants to accomplish.
Still you obviously missed the joke/meaning if you are using that line as yr. “evidence” that Crowley was murderer (meditate about all the lines above it and then that one)
Plus you obviously don’t get the concept of Blood Sacrifice either (grab a copy of Magick In Theory and Practice : Chapter XII for his words on the subject…..the man fought against Abortion for friggs sake…. )
So what if he was a little crazy and had a sense of humor? Anymore crazy than what was happening in the world around him? (war, industrial stupidity, the formation of our current economic system, imperialism, bizarre human experiments in medicine and psychology, rampant racism, the sexism against woman’s rights, prohibition, victorian sexuality….etc.)
Context is King and There are no facts….Only Perspectives
Nothing is True/Everything is Possible
Hey V.C. Do please read Magick Without Tears and Confessions and get a better grip on Crowley and his life and character. In fact, it might be a good plan to read his words on Jack the Ripper as well.
I expect more from you as a researcher, this is shoddy work and most of it baseless speculation. Anyone who knows about Crowley knows he could be an ass, but having extensively studied the lies and truths and rumors about his life, I can tell you right away he was no serial killer.
Nothing above would have gotten him convicted in court, but as we know, Crowley has long been convicted in court of public opinion, much of it based upon tabloid lies.
Yes, he was cruel to prostitutes and dabbled in darker magicks, but not without intelligence behind it, and a huge sense of humor.
People who denounce Crowley as a classic satanist and mason haven’t read his works, especially in which he decribed the problems with the masonic orders and the black magicians who infiltrated them. He was no where near the villian he was made out to be by propaganda campaigns that actually lead back to the real masonic psychopaths (and likely the Rothschild family as well).
Hi,
I did not write the article. Also, I never said that I 100% agree with the historian’s conclusions. I’m just relaying this piece of info I found interesting and let people discuss it.
That’s all fine, but if you’re interested you should be more holistic about it. You either want to get to the truth of Crowley or you don’t. Passing along a piece with factual errors and debunkable conjecture doesn’t do much good afterall. Again, if you were really interested in researching the truth of Crowley, you’d read Confessions and/or at least Magick Without Tears, which IMO are his most lucid works (Confessions is huge, Magick Without Tears is a much tighter read and illustrates the man’s life work quite effectually…and had you read it I doubt you would have passed along this obviously weak sensationalist hit piece).
They should not have desecrated the Tomb in Luxor. It was sealed in the time when Egypt was still called KHEM, the capital of Alchemy. You mess with the bull, you get the horn.
Also, do us all a favor and let us know what you can dig up about Mark Beynon. Is his a mason? What is his background (not much about him at first glance on the searches and the telegraph article says nothing more than that he’s a “historian”).
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1158319&sid=500759d42ce2564d9c89e501b039a715
They forteans rip this one to shreds.
Must be something in all this.
stop the “cult of personality” worship!!!
it does not matter if you think crowley was “the wickedest man alive” ( this does remind me of
“Bin Laden” boogie man reference)
it does not matter if you feel crowley was mis understood and actually a good guy. ( i find it hard to come to this conclusion)
stop giving these “personalities” your energy.
We (posters) all know that there is a much bigger problem. Even we, “truthers”, are on some “personality” worshipp B>S!!!!!! no different than caring if Brit/Micheal/Jay-z are satanist.
many of us know the “truth” (relatively speaking).
WHAT NOW????????????????
srry, just venting.
This is absolute BS.If your interested in the truth about the so called wickedest man in the world. Read the book The Eye in the Triangle by Israel Regardie and you will find that Crowleys main concern in life was to liberate people and usher in a new age of Enlightenment for the human race.Crowleys biggest regret was the negative image he projected to the media, mostley because he thought it was funny, like when Ozzy bit the head off a bat.His negative PR campaign has really stopped people from exploring this mans work. Which is a shame because he searched the depths of the soul and revealed to us the revelations he found there.Don’t believe everything people say.There is always another side to the story.
Good points. Crowley not only participated in he early PR campaign to make himself seem like a threat to the black magick societies, but others picked up the propaganda about him and have continues over the decades. It’s also clear that people like JayZ are BAD MASONS and out to make Crowley into something he wasn’t. JayZ embodies the very type of masonic selfish shit that Aleister criticized. They bastardize “Do as thou wilt” and make it their psychopath anthem, instead of understanding the true meaning Aleister intended, which is that when you are alligned with the true will of your spirit you don’t harm others unless they are a serious and true threat. Our “TRUE WILL” consists of doing as THOU wilt. THY WILL be done. Aleister was far more spiritual than these hack authors give him credit for. I highly suspect the author of these claims is dirty and part of the ongoing negative propaganda.
IF you hate Crowley and think him evil, read “The Eye in the Triangle” and read some of Crowley’s own works (Magick Without Tears is free to read online). GET A GRIP on his real flaws, his stupidity and his at times rude personality. He DID some sacrafices of goats and whatnot, he was cruel to prostitutes, and he fathered children all over the place. But like so many dirty “gurus”, he also helped a lot of people learn breathing and yoga, went mountain climbing and wrote some of the most interesting and elightened works I’ve ever read. Magick Without Tears is a masterpiece IMO. To call him a murderer when the man spoke so lucidly of karmic influences and “every man and every woman is a star” is ignorant.
EVERY MAN, EVERY WOMAN….IS A STAR. Aleister didn’t go around snuffing out STARS, he wasn’t that stupid. END OF STORY.
“GET A GRIP on his real flaws, his stupidity and his at times rude personality. He DID some sacrafices of goats and whatnot, he was cruel to prostitutes, and he fathered children all over the place. But like so many dirty “gurus”, he also helped a lot of people…”
That sounds a lot like many of the preachers he criticized!
Every man and woman is a star, but nobody is any better than anyone else. This cruelty tells me that he thought himself above others.
Meh, whatever. At the end of the day, none of us really *know* what kind of person he was and what he did or didn’t do. That’s between him and God, or I guess in his case, between him and his lord Satan.
Peace out.
DDT
What are you tallking about? He told people NOT to believe him. He was a campaigner for people to dismiss his own Arrogance! Every Man and Every Woman is a STAR! That Human beings are Individuals and each are their own in their own way does not sound like “nobody is better than anyone else.” Fuck, Christians teach that garbage daily (except that the pious are better and they are the only ones who will get into heaven while all their enemies will burn in horrible agony…..o wait…)
Besides…..He thought Satan was the Christian God from a totally Gnostic sense but then he thought of higher versions compared to his study from religion. And who knows? The man was also known to be an avid Atheist! Or perhaps he was a true agnostic and tried to figure out religion using Scientific method……
Still call him what you will, If you cannot see the good this man has done in the last century (the revival of culture through paganism, opposed Christianity as being an oppressor of the masses, liberated sexual morality, brought forth exploratory/experimental aspects of the drug culture specially with psychedelics, Yoga, Meditation, personal spiritual exploration, anticipated feminism, changes in epistemology, quantum physics and thought life extension was right around the corner)
than you are obviously as blind as you are ignorant.
@#2 – Trust me, I am neither blind nor ignorant. Personal attacks are not necessary. I am not attacking you, there is no need to attack me.
As I’ve already stated, I am well aware of the more positive things that A.C. has done in terms of liberating minds and helping people strive to become their personal best. Breaking down the religious chains that sometimes hold people back. On that level, I am behind him 100%. People should be able to choose their beliefs and their destinies. (Hopefully for constructive things and not destructive ones.)
I am also aware of his often-contradictory statements about spirituality and who “God” really is, if there is one. I was making a joke, perhaps it did not go through that way.
He was a great writer and philosopher and poet. Was he a murderer? Damned if I know, and I am not saying that he is. But I am saying that his ACTIONS, combined with some of his words, can be perceived in a negative fashion. He might not be the villian that some make him out to be, but he’s not necessarily a hero, either. IMO, putting all of the pieces together, it is POSSIBLE that he was somehow behind some of those deaths at the time.
Lastly, I am saying that in SOME ways, he was no better than the people he opposed and mocked. In SOME ways, he was the opposite side of the same coin.
BLIND faith is scary, whether it is faith in God, the Bible, the Book of the Law, or whatever. I take everything with a grain of salt and a discerning eye, including the writings and actions of your hero Crowley. Please do not call me ignorant simply because I do not blindly worship him.
fair enough. (excellent response)
I called you ignorant because of the Star misunderstandings and yr. Satan quip. Plus the whole Kill bit needed that clarification. Beyond that…eh….I suppose since it’s a Blizzard where I am positioned….. I was just in the ol’ bored mood for a bit of a verbal scrap…..for that I apologize….and of course the Internet is a great place for misunderstanding sarcasm and subtlety.
To call Crowley a Hero of mine though would be quite mistaken (I do admit being quite influenced though & do utilize his Book of Thoth daily for Tarot studies). The Man was flawed….. he messed up, did wrong and wasn’t perfect…..just like every other man. To blindly worship anything or one is the death of intelligence and the beginning of the way to the heights of stupidity. Still I love playing the Devil’s Advocate to stir up the generally unthinking (which seem to flourish on this website). However I apologize for the remarks & shan’t be quite so quick to throw vapid insults again.
to you i say
Peace & Cheers
Question, how did all these lovers of Crowley end up on this site? If you like him and value his view then why are you here protesting any negative view about this excuse for a human man? The man ate poop. There is nothing good about that. I’m sure though that his followers with say, “oh that’s not bad we eat poop all the time”, hence the reason for talking complete shit! explain that crowely followers, how do you explain eat poop?
irrelevant, completely. let’s look at the real claim here, and focus on that… eating poop has nothing to do with it, lol. also, you don’t have to be a crowley follower to read this article and think “hey, there’s no evidence to support the claims that Aleister killed these folks… just all speculation and theories from ‘mr beynon’ “. if someone else is behind the murders, then it’s stupid to tag them to Aliester just because the media considered him “the most evil man of all time” ooooooh… do some research of your own before you start accusing people (even shit eaters) for murders using “he ate poop” as evidence… smh where’s the logic people?
Some people like to eat shit. It’s a fetish. Some people like to eat Semen but somehow that’s acceptable. I can’t say where this is Crowley’s writings (its probably there i just cant seem to find it) but i do know he liked to mix shit with semen for certain Magical Practices (only if it came in the anus though)…… still who are you to judge? You probably eat dead pig flesh or dead matter grown fungi or the vile brussel sprout or paper or god knows what. Perhaps you GASP smoke?!???!??? or even Drink (blasphemy)The point is that most people are probably a little to anal about their own shit.
O go on have negative views. Thats yr. right…I’m just saying that this Book about these Murders appears to be absolute horse manure and just plain vapid publicity…..The First “murder” was a death of a Student of his who happened to drink out of a mountain spring Crowley specifically said not to. After that Crow-town was booted out of Italy and went to Tunisia……The others are all have incredibly arbitrary reasoning and have no particular connection to Crowley except for the fact he dug Egyptian Mythology (much like every other Ceremonial Magician during that time). It’s all based heavily on hearsay and speculation (the Thelemite was essentially just a writer then…a bizarre obscure but very sensational writer) This sort of book would probably come up short in rigorous testing (hell even a brief look at the man’s well documented life seems to be enough for my doubts) nor seen as academic research in most any sense of the word.
Hell The man was against abortion and against ANY abuse of children: “… acts invasive of another individual’s equal rights are implicitly self-aggressions. … Such acts as rape, and the assault or seduction of infants, may therefore be justly regarded as offences against the Law of Liberty, and repressed in the interests of that Law.”
Of course it is possible…..no ones tossing that aside……just incredibly unlikely. I think the man was more like how you see him in the Venture Bros: A Brilliantly Decadent Well Spoken Pompous Jackass who was about as harmless as any other spoiled Aristocrat of his time (except he knew how to play the press…..see Marilyn Manson, Alice Cooper etc.)
I knew it! I came back to see if #2 would comment on the matter and justify the eating of poop. Yeah yeah all those words and you have managed to nothing. Everybody eats something that is dead. It has to be that way to consume it but is not to be compared to as eating the body’s waste. While you are naming names, ask Barbara Bush if her grandpa killed all those people. She might know something about his past.
I bet you are friends with more than one person who has eaten poop or worse, some sexual fetish that would make you puke – and you don’t even know it about your aquaintence because it’s their private business. They keep it private so people like you won’t JUDGE.
You wanna judge Aleister, nobody cares, but you haven’t read his books, I’d bet money on that. Again, nobody cares, You seem convinced of the debunkable “facts” of the idiot Beynon, and it speaks volumes about your position. All fine, to each his own, but ritual murder is a serious allegation. Guarantee if A.C. were alive today he would easily win a defammation case over Beynon drivel.
Also might wanna look at pic of Barbie Bush next to her REAL FATHER, she looks so much like him it easily convinced me she isn’t Crowley’s daughter. She looks like Mr. Pierce in a wig actually, there are blogs about it out there and at this point really only people who wish to demonize Crowley continue to insist she is his daughter. Again, the evidence is so flimsy.
You asked “how do Crowley lovers end up on this site”?
FYI, a lot of us aren’t Crowley “lovers”, we are people who have acutally done a THUROUGH reasearch effort about the occult and have actually read the man’s works so as not to be made an ignorant fool of by the propaganda campaign (which is designed to turn you off to all his work). I respect HIS WORK, to a great extent, despite his negativity and distain for women (which was commen amongst the males of his time anyway).
Not everyone fears or is turned off by the occult or by practioners like Crowley who had lots of flaws but much genius to offer.
Also, when someone accuses a man like Crowley of murder, I want some real evidence. I would have no problem believing he was a murderer if there was actually real evidence AND if his character even begun to display murderous traits of that degree (which it doesn’t). There actually is no real evidence, only weak conjecture. And if you read the more FACT based comments above you will see there are actually errors in Mr. Beynon’s research that are gaping holes too big to fill.
AGAIN, WHO IS BEYNON??? Do you even question what you read in the Telegraph?
If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit!!
i don’t see these claims are supported by actual evidence. satanist? no. oculist? yes, but satanist and oculist are two different things. murdered? sure, these associates may have been murdered, but where is the facts/evidence to support the theory that Crowley was actually behind them? Aleister was fascinated with Jack the Ripper because he knew the Ripper murders were not just murders, but specific Masonic (freemason) rituals carried out with purpose and meaning. Take a look into any Freemason Handbook and you’ll see these rituals detailed with “how and what for” a murder is to be carried out . I would “speculate” or “claim” that Mr Benyon is trying to insert Aleister Crowley as a scapegoat for the recent theories of the FreeMasons carrying out such murders in regards to ritualistic killings by “jack the ripper” or “the king tut curse”. It is, after all, the FreeMasons who hold the practice of Ancient Egyptian Occultism at the root of their society, is it not? Perhaps Mr Benyon is sympathetic to the FreeMasons, because he is one? lol, there’s a “claim” for you. Easy to blame Aleister when you have no background on Freemasonry, its roots, and ancient Egyptian occultism. “as above, so below” – do your homework
I see zero evidence here, all just claims and speculation with no backup:
“Mr Beynon speculates that Crowley was behind the death.”
Mr Beynon says there is evidence that Budge and Crowley were associates on the London occult scene.”
“Mr Beynon paints a picture of a dangerous schizophrenic known to have murdered his servants in India.”
Best analysis so far. I think you’ve figured out the conspiracy within the conspiracy. People just don’t realize how deep the rabbit hole of Freemasonry goes!
I recommend Martin Booth’s book “A Majick Life” (2000) – an excellent Crowley biography.
If it looks like a fish,smells like a fish, acts like a fish,lives like a fish…*then its a fish—it has crowley written all over on them!! Common now people…magick??????
Interestingly, the Crowleyan system of “Thelema” actually has no place for Satan. The “Evil force” in the eyes of that system is called “Choronzon”, otherwise known as “The great lie”, which keeps us from realizing our true, full potential in that system. Not necessarily a follower myself, but from someone who has had an interest in this kind of thing, I will tell you that the label of crowley being a “satanist:” is pretty far off. Crowley was a huge drama queen, to be sure, who enjoyed using some fairly nasty shock tactics to “get back” at the overly repressive, buttoned-down Victorian era. But a satanist, such as people like Anton LaVey, he was not, especially when you consider that all a satanist is is a confused christian anyway.
In addition, Crowley’s beliefs were a synergistic hodge-podge of Christian, Jewish, Sufi, Hindu, Greek, and Ancient Egyptian elements. He, despite doing a number of crazy things, admittedly, would not have viewed the opening of King Tut’s tomb as an affront of his “religion”, of which the Egyptian element was only a part, and not the whole. Which is not to say he didn’t do some messed up stuff in his time, but I personally don’t think that he would be an early twentieth century equivalent of Charles Manson. I could be wrong, of course, but it appears to me that this “historian” really was just out looking for a sensational topic to expand his own career’s popularity on, rather than actually reporting facts.
Was Crowley a bit of a nut? Certainly. Was he a murderer? Unlikely.
In addition to this, I’ve noticed that Kabbalah tends to get a bad rap on this site, due to the hyper-christian elements that are lurking behind the scenes here, in addition to the “illuminati” types who use it in monarch mind control programs, which I, as a little bit of a kabbalist myself, find very offensive. The point of the practice is to aid in self-liberation, and a direct connection with God, the divine source, or whatever you want to call it, rather than a means to enslave and degrade. But what a lot of people may not know is that the original (Jewish) version of Kabbalah heavily influenced early Christianity. This practice, naturally, got twisted over time, and now is a joke, a la the new-age “Kabbalah Centre” that influences such hacks as Madonna and Britney Spears.
If you want a good idea of what kabbalah is really about, you should check out various books by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (I’m not Jewish myself, but if you want to get a good picture of what this system is about, you should learn about it from the people who actually invented it, not people who are giving second-hand information), these books being Meditation and the Bible, Meditation and Kabbalah, and the Sefer Yetzirah. For you genuine Christians out there, this can also give a pretty good perspective on what your religion is actually about, and where it came from.
Anyone else here play the Castle game in FB? Notice how the guy in the gloom woods your trying to get in the beggining is the wizard named Alistar?
Wow, it’s very Agatha Christie, seriously! And where were Hercule Poirot when we need him
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The veracity of this information is suspect. While I don’t doubt Crowley’s ability to conceive and commit these murders, the evidence is just too thin and a times just wrong. I won’t nitpick the whole thing, but here is one inaccuracy. Crowley would never have been the guest of Maugham’s at the Mayfair Bath Club. Maugham intensely disliked Crowley, and even wrote a malevolent character that was based on Crowley in “The Magician.”
So There.
@Alexandra
I don’t doubt that white slaves had in bad. But its ludricrous for you to insinuate that they had it much rougher than black slaves had it. Nothing that they went through would ever compare to the Black holocast that African-Americans went through.
Aleister Crowley was working for British Intelligence as an undercover agent. If you look at the toll his life took on the people around him, it is atrocious. His wives and mistresses either going insane or committing suicide. To say that it was just the spirit of the times and to also have people imply that he was for the “liberation of women” is contradictory. I wouldn’t want to read the works of someone who could treat human beings in the manner in which treated them. In addition to this, here are a couple quotes to mull over:
Aleister Crowley was a drug addict, a sex addict was addicted both to opium, hashish, cocaine, mescaline, amphetamines and heroin, in order to perceive higher states of beingness.
“Do what thou will shall be the whole of the Law” [The work of the OTO ... is geared towards the achievement of a world-spanning empire ... The Law “Do what thou wilt” is the law of this new state – a One World Government] was his motto for the OTO, which was the secret order he himself was the Grandmaster of. He rejected traditional morality in favor of the life of a drug addict and brutal womanizer (“I rave; and I rape and I rip and I rend” is a line from one of his poems). He even enjoyed being called the “wickedest man in the world”. He was married twice, and both his wives went insane. Five of his mistresses committed suicide. http://illuminati-news.com/aleister.crowley1.htm
Spence, whose dogged approach to historical research has earned him a reputation as “a frustrated detective,” began his study by securing documents from the now defunct U.S. Army Military Intelligence Division. The file revealed an American investigation into Crowley’s activities in 1918, which led to the discovery that he was an employee of the British government.
Later in his life, Crowley claimed that he came to the U.S. as a British undercover agent with a mission to infiltrate and undermine the German propaganda effort. “He did undermine that effort,” said Spence. “His writing was an over-the-top parody of saber-rattling German militarism.”
He actively encouraged German aggressiveness, such as the attack on the Lusitania, with the ultimate aim of bringing America into the war. In doing so, “Crowley followed precisely the wishes of Admiral Hall, chief of British Naval Intelligence,” said Spence.
“Crowley was an adept amateur psychologist, had an uncanny ability to influence people and probably utilized hypnotic suggestion in his undercover work,” Spence added. “The other thing he made good use of was drugs. In New York, he carried out very detailed studies on the effects of mescaline (peyote). He would invite various friends over for dinner, fix them curry and dose the food with mescaline. Then he observed and took notes on their behavior.”
Mescaline, Spence noted, was later used by intelligence agencies for experiments in behavior modification and mind control.
Measuring the degree to which his occultism was a calculated cover “gets tricky,” said Spence. “From my perspective, it ultimately isn’t all that important whether he was sincere or a grand faker. He was certainly a person who could seem one thing while actually being something quite the opposite.”
http://rense.com/gerneral82/crowl.htm
This allegation against Crowley is simply nonsense. Learn the complete truth here:
http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/crowleybollocks.htm
Asalam 3alaikum 1 love!!!
I stopped reading at “formed a pentagram – an important star-shaped symbol in Satanism.” The inverted pentagram is associated with satanism but a pentagram in itself is not. The symbol of the inverted pentagram was not even originally satanistic. That one statement is an example of the writer having a biased opinion.
Lies, at “best” the story is boosting the wrong picture of a man whose ambition was to liberate the will of mankind.
Don’t believe everything they tell you, doubt is the best tool and knowledge is the only answer.
The answer is not a fairytales of invisible rulers and demiurges whose law is to follow and not to question.
Don’t let the Abrahmitic beliefs system(Islam,judaism,christianity etc) scare you with there falsehood and their moral obligation(read: sins).
Be a man, think, doubt, feel, love and expand your mind and NEVER force your Will upon another man.
Peace be, Love is our religion, Love Under Will.
…a fellow member of The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.