FBI asking Internet Companies for Wiretap-Friendly Back Door

May 8th, 2012 | Category: Latest News | 59 comments


The push to make the internet a controlled space used to spy on citizens, where supposedly “private” information is automatically shared with authorities, might soon reach another threshold. A new report suggests that the FBI is currently discussing with major internet companies such as Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo and Google to build backdoor accesses to their services to facilitate government surveillance. The FBI is also attempting to convince these companies to support an upcoming law that would allow the outright spying of social networks, VoIP, and Web e-mail providers. The law, like many other similar ones that are being proposed and adopted, is in direct violation with the 4th Amendment, which states: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Of course, those who wrote the Bill of Rights were not expecting the advent of the internet and the storing of information on remote servers. The application of its principles is however nebulous today. However, if those in power truly wished (and if citizens somewhat cared) to preserve the spirit of the Amendment (which was created to protect citizens from government oppression and tyranny) they would have extended the principles of the Fourth Amendment to cyberspace. We are however witnessing the exact opposite: The advent of the internet, of social networks and other technologies appears to be the perfect opportunity for state authorities to deny these historic rights to citizens and to move towards a high tech police state.

Here’s an article on these FBI discussions with internet companies.

FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites – now

CNET learns the FBI is quietly pushing its plan to force surveillance backdoors on social networks, VoIP, and Web e-mail providers, and that the bureau is asking Internet companies not to oppose a law making those backdoors mandatory.

The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance.

In meetings with industry representatives, the White House, and U.S. senators, senior FBI officials argue the dramatic shift in communication from the telephone system to the Internet has made it far more difficult for agents to wiretap Americans suspected of illegal activities, CNET has learned.

The FBI general counsel’s office has drafted a proposed law that the bureau claims is the best solution: requiring that social-networking Web sites and providers of VoIP, instant messaging, and Web e-mail alter their code to ensure their products are wiretap-friendly.

“If you create a service, product, or app that allows a user to communicate, you get the privilege of adding that extra coding,” an industry representative who has reviewed the FBI’s draft legislation told CNET. The requirements apply only if a threshold of a certain number of users is exceeded, according to a second industry representative briefed on it.

The FBI’s proposal would amend a 1994 law, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA, that currently applies only to telecommunications providers, not Web companies. The Federal Communications Commission extended CALEA in 2004 to apply to broadband networks.

FBI Director Robert Mueller is not asking companies to support the bureau’s CALEA expansion, but instead is “asking what can go in it to minimize impacts,” one participant in the discussions says. That included a scheduled trip this month to the West Coast — which was subsequently postponed — to meet with Internet companies’ CEOs and top lawyers.

A further expansion of CALEA is unlikely to be applauded by tech companies, their customers, or privacy groups. Apple (which distributes iChat and FaceTime) is currently lobbying on the topic, according to disclosure documents filed with Congress two weeks ago. Microsoft (which owns Skype and Hotmail) says its lobbyists are following the topic because it’s “an area of ongoing interest to us.” Google, Yahoo, and Facebook declined to comment.

In February 2011, CNET was the first to report that then-FBI general counsel Valerie Caproni was planning to warn Congress of what the bureau calls its “Going Dark” problem, meaning that its surveillance capabilities may diminish as technology advances. Caproni singled out “Web-based e-mail, social-networking sites, and peer-to-peer communications” as problems that have left the FBI “increasingly unable” to conduct the same kind of wiretapping it could in the past.

In addition to the FBI’s legislative proposal, there are indications that the Federal Communications Commission is considering reinterpreting CALEA to demand that products that allow video or voice chat over the Internet — from Skype to Google Hangouts to Xbox Live — include surveillance backdoors to help the FBI with its “Going Dark” program. CALEA applies to technologies that are a “substantial replacement” for the telephone system.

“We have noticed a massive uptick in the amount of FCC CALEA inquiries and enforcement proceedings within the last year, most of which are intended to address ‘Going Dark’ issues,” says Christopher Canter, lead compliance counsel at the Marashlian and Donahue law firm, which specializes in CALEA. “This generally means that the FCC is laying the groundwork for regulatory action.”

Subsentio, a Colorado-based company that sells CALEA compliance products and worked with the Justice Department when it asked the FCC to extend CALEA seven years ago, says the FBI’s draft legislation was prepared with the compliance costs of Internet companies in mind.

In a statement to CNET, Subsentio President Steve Bock said that the measure provides a “safe harbor” for Internet companies as long as the interception techniques are “‘good enough’ solutions approved by the attorney general.”

Another option that would be permitted, Bock said, is if companies “supply the government with proprietary information to decode information” obtained through a wiretap or other type of lawful interception, rather than “provide a complex system for converting the information into an industry standard format.”

A representative for the FBI told CNET today that: “(There are) significant challenges posed to the FBI in the accomplishment of our diverse mission. These include those that result from the advent of rapidly changing technology. A growing gap exists between the statutory authority of law enforcement to intercept electronic communications pursuant to court order and our practical ability to intercept those communications. The FBI believes that if this gap continues to grow, there is a very real risk of the government ‘going dark,’ resulting in an increased risk to national security and public safety.”

Next steps
The FBI’s legislation, which has been approved by the Department of Justice, is one component of what the bureau has internally called the “National Electronic Surveillance Strategy.” Documents obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation show that since 2006, Going Dark has been a worry inside the bureau, which employed 107 full-time equivalent people on the project as of 2009, commissioned a RAND study, and sought extensive technical input from the bureau’s secretive Operational Technology Division in Quantico, Va. The division boasts of developing the “latest and greatest investigative technologies to catch terrorists and criminals.”

But the White House, perhaps less inclined than the bureau to initiate what would likely be a bruising privacy battle, has not sent the FBI’s CALEA amendments to Capitol Hill, even though they were expected last year. (A representative for Sen. Patrick Leahy, head of the Judiciary committee and original author of CALEA, said today that “we have not seen any proposals from the administration.”)

Mueller said in December that the CALEA amendments will be “coordinated through the interagency process,” meaning they would need to receive administration-wide approval.

Stewart Baker, a partner at Steptoe and Johnson who is the former assistant secretary for policy at Homeland Security, said the FBI has “faced difficulty getting its legislative proposals through an administration staffed in large part by people who lived through the CALEA and crypto fights of the Clinton administration, and who are jaundiced about law enforcement regulation of technology — overly jaundiced, in my view.”

On the other hand, as a senator in the 1990s, Vice President Joe Biden introduced a bill at the FBI’s behest that echoes the bureau’s proposal today. Biden’s bill said companies should “ensure that communications systems permit the government to obtain the plain text contents of voice, data, and other communications when appropriately authorized by law.” (Biden’s legislation spurred the public release of PGP, one of the first easy-to-use encryption utilities.)

The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment. An FCC representative referred questions to the Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau, which declined to comment.

From the FBI’s perspective, expanding CALEA to cover VoIP, Web e-mail, and social networks isn’t expanding wiretapping law: If a court order is required today, one will be required tomorrow as well. Rather, it’s making sure that a wiretap is guaranteed to produce results.

But that nuanced argument could prove radioactive among an Internet community already skeptical of government efforts in the wake of protests over the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, in January, and the CISPA data-sharing bill last month. And even if startups or hobbyist projects are exempted if they stay below the user threshold, it’s hardly clear how open-source or free software projects such as Linphone, KPhone, and Zfone — or Nicholas Merrill’s proposal for a privacy-protective Internet provider — will comply.

The FBI’s CALEA amendments could be particularly troublesome for Zfone. Phil Zimmermann, the creator of PGP who became a privacy icon two decades ago after being threatened with criminal prosecution, announced Zfone in 2005 as a way to protect the privacy of VoIP users. Zfone scrambles the entire conversation from end to end.

“I worry about the government mandating backdoors into these kinds of communications,” says Jennifer Lynch, an attorney at the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has obtained documents from the FBI relating to its proposed expansion of CALEA.

As CNET was the first to report in 2003, representatives of the FBI’s Electronic Surveillance Technology Section in Chantilly, Va., began quietly lobbying the FCC to force broadband providers to provide more-efficient, standardized surveillance facilities. The FCC approved that requirement a year later, sweeping in Internet phone companies that tie into the existing telecommunications system. It was upheld in 2006 by a federal appeals court.

But the FCC never granted the FBI’s request to rewrite CALEA to cover instant messaging and VoIP programs that are not “managed”–meaning peer-to-peer programs like Apple’s Facetime, iChat/AIM, Gmail’s video chat, and Xbox Live’s in-game chat that do not use the public telephone network.

If there is going to be a CALEA rewrite, “industry would like to see any new legislation include some protections against disclosure of any trade secrets or other confidential information that might be shared with law enforcement, so that they are not released, for example, during open court proceedings,” says Roszel Thomsen, a partner at Thomsen and Burke who represents technology companies and is a member of an FBI study group. He suggests that such language would make it “somewhat easier” for both industry and the police to respond to new technologies.

But industry groups aren’t necessarily going to roll over without a fight. TechAmerica, a trade association that includes representatives of HP, eBay, IBM, Qualcomm, and other tech companies on its board of directors, has been lobbying against a CALEA expansion. Such a law would “represent a sea change in government surveillance law, imposing significant compliance costs on both traditional (think local exchange carriers) and nontraditional (think social media) communications companies,” TechAmerica said in e-mail today.

Ross Schulman, public policy and regulatory counsel at the Computer and Communications Industry Association, adds: “New methods of communication should not be subject to a government green light before they can be used.”

- Source: CNet

 



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59 Comments to “FBI asking Internet Companies for Wiretap-Friendly Back Door”

  1. Lola says:

    It is the responsibility of the people to stand up and not allow this to happen, the same way they protested SOPA. Instead of protesting, many just say "I'm not doing anything wrong, so let them look at whatever they want." It's this kind of mentality that allow things like the Patriot Act or the National Defense Act to be passed without a hint of protest.

    • freetoday says:

      Once gain, we have backwards. We need to protect our rights in all areas. Here's the only video I found about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8RSRNbiEi4.

    • paisleycerebrum says:

      this just makes me even more glad i deactivated my Facebook and any social networking over a month ago…then again i wouldn't be surprised if my old info is still swimming around the net =

      clever how we can only "deactivate" and not "delete" *eye roll*

      • Trinity says:

        No I tried to check my old Facebook account and I believe they had it deleted. I can't find traces anywhere on the net.

      • paisleycerebrum says:

        @Trinity

        ah ok. i guess after so long the account is deleted. if that's so, i got awhile. thanks.

      • Truth B. Told says:

        Actually you can delete your FB page. I did over a year ago. It took them 14 days, but eventually it has been deleted, not just deactivated, but deleted. Here's a link to use to delete your FB account, but you may have to sign back in. Once you have verified you want to delete, you must not log on for 14 days and not like anything on any website..then you are a free person again..lol. https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_fo

    • Doobs says:

      Most people here just seem to be waiting for god to come solve all their problems and take them to heaven.

    • Weber says:

      The other shoe hasn't fallen yet so people don't see the motive for the citizens to be angry.

      I believe something horrible is wrong but the world's governments are purposely not telling us what it is – why?

      Because if the people knew say sea level rise could soon go up two feet a year unless we live as we did 200 years ago that that is impossible. And the other solution of immediate depopulation is probably the one the elites will pick means the middle class will die -well… Then there is open revolt.

      So the government and the bought media aren't telling us…

      Because people would resist before all of the security apparatus has been built and installed.

    • face in the crowd says:

      GREAT ARTICLE.

      Local protests, love support educate thy neighbor!!!!! organize organize organize ORGANIZE

      Facebook is a platform for facial recognition and location data mining sold to Central Intelligence. This is PAST TENSE stuff people. Delete and study computer programing yourself.

      They only have power and purpose because we GRANT IT TO THEM.

      DIY people. Power.

    • so live says:

      Sadly I think that this might pass. Here's why. The big companies like Facebook, Google, Verizon, etc… didn't want to spend their time "policing" the web. That's one reason they opposed SOPA & PIPA, but CISPA was revised with that in mind & wallah!!!…. Now they support it.

      They just didn't want to do the gov'ment's dirty work, so there's mention of hiring a private company to handle that. There was so much mainstream press when SOPA & PIPA was being considered. Why you might ask? Because the big companies weren't behind it, that's why! Now since their in favor of CISPA, guess what? NO MS PRESS!!!!!!!! I haven't seen or heard jack! Go figure. :(

      Keep in mind that I'm sure there are other factors as to why SOPA & PIPA didn't pass I just chose to elaborate on this specifically.

      Here's some links to check out, along with VC's own take.
      http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/cispa-is-nothttp://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/cispa-the-n

    • LVB says:

      Ever since the NSA required the "keys" to break PGP encryption, the US National Security State has had the keys to "backdoor access" of every new system that will be sold commercially, especially if it is to be sold globally.

      It's no surprise that they would do the same with phone telecommunications – they require access to all data flowing in our out of the fiber trunks to or from the United States. This would seem to be almost absolute power…almost.

      But power is a funny thing…where does power lie? Is it in the words of an elected leader, a judge, a congressman and his one vote, or you and your one vote? Or is it something else, entirely? Is it in the military hardware that can strike you silently while you are in bed asleep, or the main battle tanks that could blockade all highways and transit systems if they wanted to?

      Power resides wherever THE PEOPLE believe it resides…power lives in our fears of what power is and who controls it – and mostly, what it can do to harm us. Power lies in knowing that power is always temporary, and who gets control and power is unpredicatable and fleeting, much moreso than some of the greatest tyrants of history could've imagined. They all have their weaknesses, outside enemies and far more dangerous the enemies from within. This is the biggest danger we face – the enemies from within – within the White House, within the Pentagon, within Langley, VA…..these enemies know the secret that it is not so much a problem to figure out where power lies, but to control events and ride the changes and shifts in power, so that they always remain in control of those who have their temporary power.

      And they know the most important secret of all; not where power lies, but that POWER LIES.

      Period.

      Power lies.

    • Rebecca says:

      you're absolutely right! because, for example, one day they may decide viewing this website is an act of treason. then we are all guilty. they can easily change the rules as it suits their agenda, and that's what they are doing.

  2. Paloma says:

    Freedom of speech? Liberty? For who? Where is it at? Everyday these rights get diminished more and more, it's upsetting to know that we are heading to total control of the masses.

  3. Heather says:

    SOPA failed, but they come back again and again until they get what they want. The government truly takes to heart the old saying if at first you don't succeed, try again. It must be opposed, but don't expect its defeat to be a final victory. They'll be back.

  4. Indonesian says:

    I wonder what kind of bargain the FBI proposed to these companies. What's in it for the companies to allow FBI's access? Feels like being up against extremely nosy neighbours…

  5. Truth Terrorist says:

    Just one step closer to their ultimate goal, i.e., total control which is what 666 is – that's why it is becoming such an increasingly popular symbol. Funny how John saw it coming over 2,000 years ago.

    • Yorkcity777 says:

      We must be vigilant and aware of what's happening around us. The Bible has prophesied all of these things which is to come to past. Just a matter of time until Jesus returns to judge mankind.

  6. CerebralGrl says:

    This is ridiculous. Really. I know these laws are for our protection to catch criminals and such; so called "terrorist.''

    Remember 9/11? Have we had an attack since? No. Why? Because our security is so great, the extreme Islamic terrorist group has been stopped. {Sigh}//

    Laws with these provisions WILL be passed, but then what's next? I read VC's article on the multi-billion dollar surveillance (or spying) complex in Utah.

    Could this be worse than the holocaust? Perhaps because we will all be controlled by out own willingness to be controlled?!?

    Do people notice? My co-workers only talk about what they saw on TV last night, what they did over the weekend, and what they ate, or going to eat, for dinner. SUPERFICIAL…sigh, again.

    When is it going to get so obvious that

    Was the failed Occupy Wall Street a staged event to get the gen pop thinking that no matter how well you organize, you cannot stop us? (have you read the ads on craigslist that pay $100 a day to protest: http://theweek.com/article/index/220175/occupy-wa
    Too much is happened, and too fast. I don't want to be owned. Really, who does!?

    • CerebralGrl says:

      To finish my incomplete sentence:

      *When is it going to get so obvious that people will start to notice? Or, are we it (the people like you and me, non-sheeple)?

  7. STARTPAGE says:

    (don't) google 'Startpage'… go to startpage and type in startpage instead ;0

    As well as an encrypted search engine startpage is bringing out a fully encrypted email service by the end of the year according to katherine albrecht (author of spychips)

  8. Donna Harker says:

    I have a strong belief that it takes us all to make a change for good or bad yes you can say the new security laws are keeping us safe and maybe to some degree they are but if you look at the near misses you will notice a pattern.They said we needed to increase airport security to the point they have people who fondle you and machines that show your nether regions to some perfect stranger and yet we had the underwear bomber on a Christmas flight a couple of years ago what about the men who were going to blow up the bridge they arrested the other day were these people caught by the removing of our rights as citizens,No not one. They were caught by ordinary citizens doing what we do paying attention and being willing to step forward and do the right thing not because we have to but because we want to…Do you think for one second that the people in flight 91 on 9/11 gave their life so that the government could take what we hold dear,No they did it for the people and country they loved and turning it into a police state just smacks in the face of their memory and in their families loss.When will you see that giving up your rights is never the answer?? We go into wars in other countries saying we want them to become democratic states in the world at large and yet instead of being the shining symbol of freedom as we were we have instead embraced their beliefs and are still saying they have to be a democratic state….

  9. Yorkcity777 says:

    …One nation, under G(old) O(il) D(rugs), indivisible, with fema camps, and slavery for all. #NWO

    • HTE says:

      NWO must be based on Communism and Nazism.

      • Sword says:

        Once the Tribes were conquered it was one big strip mining operation. They strip mined the land now they are going to strip mine our brains and bodies and the last cash in our wallets.

        Lets be frank here USA is a giant ponzi scheme. Please cut the how great capitalism is jingoism.

        Humans survived this long on co-operitism not hyper individuality driven by cash. Thats just a product of the cheap energy era. Its ending.

        Human characteristics are the worst of all kindom animalia. We are supposed to have the rational mind. Humans choose easy and convenient. Not going to change that now unfortunately.

      • Bittersweet says:

        The NWO is based on satanism. Simple.

    • mike says:

      I don't get why the NWO would want to put us in camps – your logic doesn't make sense. Why bother at all? If these people already have "secret control" of everything, then why bother doing anything more? What's in it for them? Are there any college graduates on this site?

      • DaveWWC says:

        Well you can't figure out why the NWO would want to put you and me in camps?? Maybe because the NWO left out the word DEATH on purpose. You know you can't spook the herd it's hell trying to get them back in line after ya scare them. Especially with a word such as that.

        Anyways, I used to be a video game junkie and last year a certain game manufacturer, one of the biggest EA introduced a waiver you had to accept if you were to enjoy their product online. It was hockey, though I'm sure they put it into all of their games now. Well it had a clause that if you choose to accept they had the rights to listen and or record your voice over ip. Meaning you can't play online over your PAID for xbox live subscription unless you give up your RIGHT to privacy.

        Needless to say I've sold my xbox (months ago) and no longer am on xbox live, gaming is dead to me and I'm glad too, good riddance. Now with all the crap I read about that stealth weapon they call kinect in many families homes and how sophisticated it is, privacy will be non existent.

        I think back and how good I had it as a child at chuck E cheese filling my face with greasy pizza and stuffing quarters in pacman or millipede. Boy how times have changed and not for the better IMHO.

        Thanks for caring…

        Dave :)

  10. Mrs. Jones says:

    If the FBI wants this done badly enough, more than likely it will happen. In my opinion the FBI should astleast give us the option to be able to have our accounts deleted and information wiped out of the company/websites databases. I've been thinking about that for sometime time, actually taking the time the go through my many accounts online and slowly removing & creating dummy information, or deleting all together, if it's an option. I actually "deactivated" my Facebook today, haha apparently I have to send an email to have it actually deleted with no reactivation. Its all very creepy though, all of the information stored and collected. It just kind of hit me one day that when everything starts falling down around us and the government wants to stalk and control us (well… more so than now lol) they'll have you hometown, pictures, music interests, places you frequent (hence "checking in"), most of the people you've ever known, your old/current schools, any quirks about yourself that you may have thought were a funny status update. They'll know what kind of material tastes you have based on the subscriptions you get emailed daily, all of your personal conversations so that they can get a sense of your personal relationships (email & facebook), who you hate/love, your fears. Then they'll jump over to youtube and hack to see the comments for all the videos you've viewed and see what makes you laugh, cry, angry, amused. That's when they will have the upper hand…. when they can use all of this information and turn it against us as a means of control, manipulations, and where us people who reject the NWO will hide next …….

    • 09jf09djf says:

      I haven't had facebook in years. I don't comment on youtube or anything like that. I never post ANY pictures of myself or where i'm at online. I'm really quiet. Go on tumblr and see how everyone describes what they like, their sexual orientation, pictures, etc. on a blog with no privacy settings even. I heard human traffickers also use social networks to capture people. Be careful online.

  11. S1000 says:

    Let privacy of persons be respected.

  12. Kat says:

    How do we protest this abuse of authority without being classified an enemy of the state? It's ridiculous, our government is acting like the kid that no one wants to play with because he cheats and changes the rules so only he can win!! Its frustrating especially when everyone around me seems to have their head up their own behind and thinks I'm crazy….

    • Mrs. Jones says:

      I know how you feel, many people I try to explain or open their eyes just think im nuts. : I just don't understand how one couldnt see all this hidden agenda and blantant blasphemy ! You have to be completely under "their" thumb, or in denial. It makes me sad because I'm the crazy one, but reality it's the opposite. My husband can't stand listening to my rants haha but he finally 'fessed up and told me it's because he doesn't like thinking about the fact that that is the reality, and it quite frankly scares him.

      • anonymousC says:

        Mrs Jones, to paraphrase " I know exactly how you feel!" Many are terrified by "reality", and to use this apt quote, "…there is nothing to fear but fear itself.." that my dear Mrs. Jones is the crux of it all. The lesson of life has always involved knowing oneself so you can let go the crippling aspect of fear and go forward into come what may, fearlessly. For those we love, be patient with them, remember that sometimes our whole purpose might be to help those who cannot quite get past fear. We have been given a great gift, fearlessness, we radiate that positive energy all around us allowing others to share in that feeling. Stay positive throughout, it can be a real trial but they are awake, the next step is up to them.

      • mike says:

        I'm terrified that there are people who really believe this silliness.

  13. ObviousEye says:

    I think a lot of things like this are made just to get us all riled up. I suspect the FBI, CIA, NSA, what ever department you can think of has access to just about anything they want and it all goes back to one main sector. I may be wrong, I just feel like the FBI probably already have a dominant roll on social networking. Making articles like this to make us believe they don't.

    • Sword says:

      I agree. True freedom requires discipline. And with that said USA sure is not free thats for sure. LMAO!

  14. Sword says:

    Once the Tribes were conquered it was one big strip mining operation. They strip mined the land now they are going to strip mine our brains and bodies and the last cash in our wallets.

    Lets be frank here USA is a giant ponzi scheme. Please cut the how great capitalism is jingoism.

    Humans survived this long on co-operitism not hyper individuality driven by cash. Thats just a product of the cheap energy era. Its ending.

    Human characteristics are the worst of all kindom animalia. We are supposed to have the rational mind. Humans choose easy and convenient. Not going to change that now unfortunately.

  15. The Illusionary Beas says:

    That's disgusting. And all over a few couple of buildings the assholes blew up themselves! They're fucking Nazis, plain and simple. They're leftovers from the era Prescott Bush's failed coup and Project Paperclip and I for one am sick of seeing this mechanical dive towards total oblivion. I wonder whether people will awaken fast enough at this point to survive and whether some complete deus ex machina is on the way. I sure hope so. These bastards need to be brought to justice- if such a thing even exists.

    It's understandable why the population is the way it is about this, and while the burden of responsibility belongs to all, I think the deck has been sufficiently stacked at this point. Now there's nothing to do but wait for the inevitable cascade effect. I'd like to have more sympathy for the startled masses here, but I can't. I know them too well.

    It just sucks that good people like us would get taken down with them. We at least deserve something better. I'm not religious either, and I never could be even if I tried, but I hope there's a friendly sort of God watching over for all of us (or at least some nice, pacifistic ETs), because if it were up to regular people then we are so fucked.

  16. tj says:

    This is just one more thing they want to do in order to control us. I have this thought that something big is going to happen and I believe they the goverment is preparaing us for it sooner than most think or believe. With london at the games coming up I read on david ickes site that the goverment believes that there may possible be drones carrying bio-weapons on them and use them at the big games.I also saw somewhere in the news watching that the terrorist would probably strike overseas in another country not the usa??????? How do they know this and if they do and it happens why would they allow this unless they want martial law in effect the new world order to thrive further with their plans. The compaines go along for the ride becuase it would effect there sales and the $$$$$ they make. They are all greedy b*st*rds. nothing wrong with building your dreams and making money but when it comes to lying spying cheating or any thing that is not of good towards or for mankind I am against it.

  17. Now says:

    Cisco backdoor still open

    IBM researcher at Black Hat says opening for Feds exposes us

    "The "backdoors" that Cisco and other networking companies implement in their routers and switches for lawful intercept are front and center again at this week's Black Hat security conference. A few years ago, they were cause celebre in some VoIP wiretapping arguments and court rulings.

    This time, an IBM researcher told Black Hat conference attendees that these openings can still expose information about us to hackers and allow them to "watch" our Internet activity. Backdoors are implemented in routers and switches so law enforcement officials can track the Internet communications and activity of an individual or individuals under surveillance. They are required by law to be incorporated in devices manufactured by networking companies and sold to ISPs."

    - https://www.networkworld.com/community/node/57070

  18. Eraserhead says:

    Like ObviousEye mentioned, this is most likely a sham debate to subsequently legalize practices, which have been already in use, and try to gain more and more acceptance among the "I have nothing to hide"-majority and to make the controlled "anonymous" opposition think, it could take measures against these laws.

    To me it seems very naive to disbelieve that EVERY SINGLE mouse click & character, I mean any action ever transmitted, has been indefinitely stored since the beginning of the internet, perhaps even phone calls are automatically recorded. I don't need to mention high-zoom satellite photos taken globally by the military. There's no reason to doubt that anything, which is technically feasable, would be implemented.

    Of course this information might not be available for the local police, but surely on a higher level.

    The New World Order is omnipresent (just think about daily weather control all around the world), it doesn't start one day or other, but it's a creeping transition and will ultimately culminate in a chipped (directly mind-controlled) population and probably a "certain" leader, in my opinion.

  19. tech support says:

    hey VC and friends, check this out…

    Scientific Ghost City To Test Future Technology
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/scientific-ghost-city-te

    Quote:

    A "world first" $1bn scientific ghost city will be built in New Mexico to test the latest next-generation technology.

    Researchers will use the facility in Lea County, near Hobbs, to look at everything from intelligent traffic systems and next-generation wireless networks to automated washing machines and self-flushing toilets.

    The town will be modelled on the real city of Rock Hill, South Carolina, complete with roads, houses and commercial buildings, old and new.

    No one will live there, although they could as houses will include all the necessities, like appliances and plumbing.

    The point of the town is to enable researchers to test new technologies on existing infrastructure without interfering in everyday life.

    For instance, while some researchers will be testing smart technologies on old grids, others might be using the streets to test self-driving cars.

    • Fleurdamour says:

      We can't spend a dime to build decent housing for homeless children, but we can do this.

    • Mel~Ski says:

      I wonder why I can't find this on US yahoo news? And I wonder why they chose Rock Hill…I'm from SC I hope they don't get any more wise ideas. ugh!

  20. Ashtyn says:

    Well, we all knew this was coming. It's sad to know that most Americans are too naive to believe that this is actually going to happen. People I've shared this with believe this to be another bluff, C'MON AMERICA! The reason why people above the law mess with us so badly is because they know they can. They're fully aware of how ignorant and easily manipulated the majority of Americans are. Seriously, go to any other country and they have more knowledge about our REAL history than American's do. It's just pathetic.

    I was hoping that we'd have at least 10-15 years to live "freely", but I can see now that the fuse is burning out quicker than expected. This is just messed up on so many levels because they know that most people rely on the internet for their career and school work. Any working class member is pretty much screwed on this one. I don't think I'll ever use my mac to do research for school, work or personal matters again. I guess that's what the library is for heh.

    After they make this happen, you know people are going to be locked up. They're eventually going to plant documents that shouldn't be in our files just to find another reason to take away more "freedom" and basically our life. Clever.

    Soon enough, all we'll have access to will be Lady Gaga, Jay-Z and Rihanna music videos being played on loop on Youtube. All we'll be able to watch on television will be Jersey Shore and American Idol re-runs. The only thing we'll have to eat is gross fast food and fake sugar. No bueno.

    I usually don't shit bricks over government schemes, but I'm seriously terrified for my career and everyone else's. I don't even know if it's worth it to finishing my college career anymore, I guess I should have picked a career other than journalism…haha. For shame.

    Hey, at least we were forewarned. It's our responsibility to be smarter when it comes to using the net anyway. :shudders:

  21. Joe says:

    this is some scary stuff. big brother has arrived

  22. CatX3 says:

    I have a cousin that works for the FBI , and I believe them the CIA , the government , etc. can already access all of this information without permission…Please , correct me if I'm wrong though.

  23. Dragonpacker123 says:

    hey VC please make a review about the avenger, I'm sure it has a lot of symbolism and the plot is kinda suspicious.

  24. sister soul says:

    You know I am always amazed at america and some americans when they say they are fighting terrorism for their "freedom" and "way of life" what freedom pray tell? How can you call this kind of control freak behaviour freedom. Wow!

    • Fleurdamour says:

      Those are code words for 'capitalism' and 'American interests.' So is 'democracy' when we talk about protecting it in the Middle East.

  25. Triple Double Stuffe says:

    Freedom over safety.

  26. Faith says:

    guys it doesnt matter if you "delete" your facebook or deactivate it. everything is stored in a database somewhere. facebook even states they save your information and even the faces in photos

  27. Nir says:

    nothing new here.

    even back in the windows 95 days the FBI "asked" microsoft to have a backdoor in their systems so they could sneak on their users.

  28. leiah says:

    hey vigilant.. my teacher was telling my class today how they are trying to put microchips as small as a rice grain inside of baby infants I was wondering if you could elaborate on that for us?

  29. Queens New York says:

    I definitely smell a diversion here. THEY are ALREADY saving all of our social network info(facebook, twitter, voip, pinger, texts, etc). Now they are making it seem like were going to gi e them the GO AHEAD, oh and we are. This is bullshit, they will not quit feeding Americas ignorance. Aggh

  30. We should launch all says:

    MKUltra still exists, just under different modes:

    http://www.thehiddenevil.com/