BBC’s Disinfo Piece: “Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?”

Jun 8th, 2011 | Category: Latest News | 140 comments


Due to the exposure brought by alternative media, the Bilderberg group stopped enjoying the media blackout it once had. David Rockefeller said during the 1991 Bilderberg meeting held in Baden, Germany:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”

It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg meeting 1991

Now that the cat is out of the bag, mass media have no choice but to report these meetings which, after all, include the world’s most powerful businessmen, politicians and intellectuals. However, instead of accurately reporting the activities of the event (i.e. the attendees, the topics discussed, etc.) the only articles referring to the meeting are condescending, borderline insulting, disinfo pieces such as this one from the BBC. The overall tone of the article screams out “non-objective propaganda”. Compare this article with the “25 Rules of Disinformation” described in this article and judge for yourself.

Some of the article’s features:

  1. Repeated use of the term “conspiracy theorist”
  2. Associating people who question the Bilderberg with terrorists groups such as the Hamas
  3. Repeated use of the term “anti-semitism”
  4. Associating people who question the Bilderberg with David Icke’s repitilian shape-shifters
  5. Those who believe in “wacky cabals” (yes the word “wacky” was used) have psychological problems: they don’t even “trust their neighbours”

So enjoy what is nowadays called “journalism”.

Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?

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Ordinary people can only guess at the goings-on at the meetings of the secretive Bilderberg Group, which is bringing together the world’s financial and political elite this week. Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?

The belief in secret cabals running the world is a hardy perennial. And on Thursday perhaps the most controversial clandestine organisation of our times – the Bilderberg Group – is meeting behind closed doors.

In the manner of a James Bond plot, up to 150 leading politicians and business people are to gather in a ski resort in Switzerland for four days of discussion about the future of the world.

Previous attendees of the group, which meets once a year in a five-star hotel, are said to have included Bill Clinton, Prince Charles and Peter Mandelson, as well as dozens of company CEOs.

First meeting in 1954, the aim was to shore up US-European relations and prevent another world war. Now under the group’s leadership of former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and one-time EU vice president, Viscount Davignon, the aim is purportedly to allow Western elites to share ideas.

But conspiracy theorists have accused it of everything from deliberately engineering the credit crunch to planning to kill 80% of the world population. Longtime opponent and US radio host Alex Jones, heckled one meeting through a megaphone: “We know you are ruthless. We know you are evil. We respect your dark power.”

Part of the reason for alarm is the group’s secretive working methods. Names of attendees are not usually released before the conference, meetings are closed to the public and the media, and no press releases are issued.

The gnashing of teeth over Bilderberg is ridiculous, says Times columnist David Aaronovitch. “It’s really an occasional supper club for the rich and powerful,” he argues.

Denis Healey, co-founder of the group, told the journalist Jon Ronson in his book Them that people overlook the practical benefits of informal networking. “Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended,” he told him. “The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.”

So why do groups like this cause so much alarm? Aaronovitch, who wrote the 2009 book Voodoo Histories, says plots to install a new world order have traditionally been a conspiracy fantasy. “They tend to believe that everything true, local and national is under threat from cosmopolitan, international forces often linked to financial capitalism and therefore, also often, to Jewish interests.”

Secret cabals extend beyond the Bilderberg Group. The Illuminati, which derives from a 16th Century Bavarian secret society, is alleged to be an all powerful secret society, including US presidents, that has controlled major world events. The Freemasons – famous for their peculiar handshakes – is a secret fraternity society that has become more open in recent years after extensive criticism.

The charter of Hamas – the Islamist party governing Gaza – asserts that the Freemasons are in league with the Jews and those unlikely bully boys – the Rotary Club – to undermine Palestine.

John Hamill, spokesman for freemasonry’s governing body in England and Wales says the organisation is aware of Hamas’s allegation.

“There’s no truth in it, freemasonry is apolitical. It probably arises because one of our ceremonies is about the story of King Solomon’s Temple. For some reason Islamic governments translate that into Zionism.”

In fact, many conspiracy theories surrounding cabals hint at an anti-Semitic worldview. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a forged document, probably created by agents of Tsarist Russia, which appeared to show a Jewish plot to take over the world.

Despite being proved to be a fraud, the idea has been kept alive by anti-Semites and has spawned later versions. One of those, the Zionist Occupational Government, argues that countries have puppet governments but that the real power is held by Jewish interests.

More recently, former sports journalist David Icke has proclaimed that the world is governed by alien, reptilian shape shifters. In other words, giant lizards.

There is obviously no right-wing monopoly on conspiracy theories. During the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Hilary Clinton blamed a “vast right-wing conspiracy” for her husband’s predicament. And more recently, some on the left have argued that the 9/11 attacks were organised by President Bush’s inner circle in order to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

The politics of cabals has always been pretty muddled, says James McConnachie, co-author of the Rough Guide to Conspiracy Theories. These groups allow protesters to project their own fears onto them.

In the US, the most extreme fear over Bilderberg is of a hidden cabal run by the European Union and threatening American freedoms. In Europe, the view is often of a free market elite trying to push through a right-wing agenda.

“Conspiracy theories are quite blind to conventional notions of left and right,” says McConnachie. “The left is organising an international government. Meanwhile, global capitalism on the right may be doing the same thing by different means.”

For Aaronovitch what often triggers widespread cabal theories are moments of great upheaval.

“It happens a lot when times are changing significantly. Whether, oddly, they are changing for better as well as for the worse. Why did McCarthyism happen at the time when US economy was growing faster than at any time in history?”

Society was in flux, the economy expanding rapidly and millions of servicemen were coming back from the war.

It’s not just the about social context. Some people are more susceptible than others to believing in wacky cabals, says Prof Chris French, of Goldsmith College’s psychology department. “It’s people who tend to be alienated by the mainstream, who feel powerless. They have a need to have a sense of control.”

Not only do they not trust the government, they tend not to trust their neighbours either. And in the need for control, there may be links to the roots of religious belief, he says.

The conspiracy theorists may get overexcited but they have a point, says Prof Andrew Kakabadse, co-author of new book Bilderberg People.

The group has genuine power that far outranks the World Economic Forum, which meets in Davos, he argues. And with no transparency, it is easy to see why people are worried about its influence.

“It’s much smarter than conspiracy,” says Prof Kakabadse. “This is moulding the way people think so that it seems like there’s no alternative to what is happening.”

The agenda the group has is to bring together the political elites on both right and left, let them mix in relaxed, luxurious surroundings with business leaders, and let the ideas fizz.

It may seem like a glorified dinner party but that is to miss the point. “When you’ve been to enough dinner parties you see a theme emerging,” he says. The theme at Bilderberg is to bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe, he says.

“Is this all leading to the start of the ruling the world idea? In one sense yes. There’s a very strong move to have a One World government in the mould of free market Western capitalism.”

Degree of nefariousness

Conventional critiques of alienated people seeking order in a chaotic world may well be true. But there’s more to it than that, McConnachie argues.

“The other explanation is more dangerous. That they are precisely right – they just over-egg the way they articulate it.”

The Bilderberg Group matches up to how a global conspiracy would work – a secretive body attempting to shape the direction of the world, he suggests.

“The only difference is the degree of nefariousness,” he says. “They tend to see this cabal as outright evil. When things are more nuanced than that.”

For all the tales of lizards running the world, we all owe a debt to conspiracy theorists, McConnachie argues.

“Occasionally you have to give credit to conspiracy theorists who raise issues that the mainstream press has ignored. It’s only recently that the media has picked up on the Bilderbergers. Would the media be running stories if there weren’t these wild allegations flying around?”

But Aaronovitch disagrees. Believing in cabals leads to certain groups being victimised and obstructs a rational view of the world.

“To have a strong belief in the Bilderberg Group means believing in a fantasy,” he says. “It suggests that there are people – like God – acting as a higher power. And it replaces the intolerable thought that there’s nothing at work at all, that the world is chaotic. It may be a form of therapy but it has people believing in an anti-scientific message.”

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140 Comments to “BBC’s Disinfo Piece: “Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?””

  1. Elda V. says:

    Woah. Would've never known! The things you learn. Crazy.

    • Essential Truth says:

      The BBC has been discredited and exposed for the scum they truly are.. & work for, ever since their early report of building 7's collapse on 9/11 while it was still standing tall in NYC.

      …For them to release this dis-info piece on the Builderburg Group in hopes to turn peoples attention away from this injustice and corruption, is just a sad reminder of the world we live today, and the continuous lies and distractions we are bombarded with.

      What really amazes me though is…how meetings such as the G20 and the G8 can gather protesters in the Tens of thousands like the recent meetings in Toronto (2010) & Pittsburgh (2009)… but when Builderburg met in Ottawa in 2006 & Virginia in 2009 hardly anyone protested this!..& I understand the locations for Builderburg are quite remote compared to the G20's and G8's, like the current meeting in Swiss and the previous in Spain…but these bastards deserve NO PRIVACY…i mean the host country should never allow these meetings in the first place (*in a perfect world)…and they should at least be held accountable by their citizens.

      The once Invincible Empire is now in plain sight and we know exactly who they are..& we know exactly where they meet…but none of our governments have the balls to stand up and expose these International Criminals for the Terrorists they really are, and just like their counterparts at the Trilateral Commission and the CFR, who have been openly meeting since the early 1900's, they will continue to meet without any real resistance….as long as humanity allows these few men/women to plot and scheme on our existence…a New World Order is inevitable.

      • joanna says:

        Agreed. But there is one thing i do not understand – why does the BBC allow songs of Praise program – ? if they are pushing/covering for the New World Order as are all mainstream channels, why do they continue showing a Christianity program which discusses the Bible and sings songs about christianity. Surely they would stop this as they have done in all state schools?

        On the same note, why has the NWO system allowed the bible to be printed? and why under certain government regulations, the bible is used in a court of law? a church to placed inside a hospital? and the only book you are allowed to read when in custardy in prison? surely if the bible as it does is anti-NWO – why is it allowed today?

      • billly says:

        @joanna

        Because the word of god shall never pass away. Luke 21:33

        Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

        Secrets, lies & Deception can only exist if there is no absolute Truth. The Bible is the ultimate truth and no matter how people may or might try to pervert, corrupt or destroy it. It will never happen. People have tried for the past thousands of years.

      • Josiah says:

        @Joana

        Because most mainstream religions are already subverted?

        I do not think that mainstream Christianity is a threat to the NWO. It's members follow blindly what they are taught to believe, and it is called faith.

        There are still enclaves of puritans who place emphasis on reasoning and discernment of what they believe to be true. A rational mind that is not prone to suggestion can truly resist and threaten NWO agendas…

        But I'm being too broad and biased in my opinion…

    • chillybilly says:

      That's no reply to joanna's question … so what's the explanation …?

      • fight4dafeith says:

        for one thing yes the word of God will not past but right now it is not really being attacked as it has in the past. Now I think it is part of their plan not to take the word of God or the Bible away but to change it and bring about their Demon doctrines just like the last books of the new testament say.

        In order for them to bring their NWO they have to have a FALSE Mesiah so therefore they need the bible but changed so that they can say that their False Mesiah is the coming Christ. The bible teaches us that there will be a False Mesiah, a False Prophet and a False Peace/ or a NWO they will bring about.

        So it is convenient for them to keep the Bible at this time, obviously they can try later on, once they have their agenda implemented, take it away or destroy it. But then that's when we will see that Heaven and Earth shall pass but not his Word! These entities have chosen the Loosing side, because at the end they will be destroy and they have been defeated already by All Mighty God and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ!

  2. kay711 says:

    someone should really sneak like a cam or something in that meeting -_-

    • joanna says:

      The whole hotel is booked out – so no visitors can stay there – and the CIA check everywhere inside and outside a whole week before, even staff are paid to take time off and are replaced by CIA agents. Amazing today though, look at the London Telegraph newspaper today, under the heading "Bernanke says US growth slower than expected" it is under Economics section and just look at all the comments everybody on their is wide-awake and talking about NWO and Bilderberg group !!!!!

      • joanna says:

        Please take a look – i wish i knew how to add link! Telegraph Newspaper, go to Economics section bar at top click it, then find heading “Bernanke says US growth slower than expected”

        But the more of us who tick these comments by recommending them, the higher the interest for people who have no-idea will look this up ……

        Sorry to repeat myself but lets make it Mainstream and get the message out !!!!!!!!

    • Revolutionary Arms says:

      We should have Alex Jones sneak in there and tape it over his Bohemian Grove footage.

      • Chambek says:

        I couldn't see the comments section. Did they remove it?

      • Moby says:

        I think after exposing Bohiemian Grove, they all know about him. He'd never be able to pull it off. Last time he infiltrated the Grove he went under the guise of one of the Bush's boys which was believable because of his Texan accent. On another note, I am a contractor for a very popular British travel agent and I have just been on the phone to the hotel next door to where the meeting is taking place in St Moritz, it appears that hotels are shut for a couple of days for no apparent reason. This is a breach in our contract with them. Shits gonna hit the fan right about now. This just shows how powerful these ppl are.

      • Alex says:

        I honestly feel that Alex Jones is not trustworthy. He seems like someone sent out to send disinformation and make people like us believe that he is on our side, yet skew slightly the information he sends us.

        He has his own show, the bildeburgers know about him, he goes around taping. Why hasn't he been stopped? People that expose the new world order and advocate for our rights such as Charlie Veitch and Ai Wei Wei have been arrested and gone through hell with the authorities. Alex Jones is out and the open, and even mentioned the secret governments on Whoopi Goldberg's show and has not been arrested. Not saying that him not being arrested raises suspicion, but its also his behavior.

        I feel like he is almost a satire of people like us. That his high enthusiasm when he talks or cuts people off and over emphasize the behavior of the riot police is really an overexaggerated example of us.

        I may be wrong, but he seems incredibly suspicious.

      • Revolutionary Arms says:

        I was being sarcastic about Alex Jones because he is a shill, I thought I made it clear when I mentioned taping it over his Bohemian Grove footage.

      • Tom says:

        Could someone explain to me why the Illuminati would bother to put their images on their videos if the person doing the vids is already a victim of MK? What is the purpose?

    • VCaddict says:

      nope, they should do one better; sneak a bomb in the meeting and have all these evil men and women rightfully executed for what they've done to humanity.

  3. Voice of Reason says:

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks…

  4. B says:

    Rockefeller didn't actually make that quote, its one that somehow got put in the truth movement and then got out of control in its extensive circulation- quotes like that are great examples of subtle disinfo. We say them, theyre easily proven wrong, and our point is invalidated. Gotta fact check VC.

    • VC says:

      Wikipedia says that the quote is "disputed" claiming it was originally quoted by "right wing French newspapers". All claims that are too blunt or too revealing become "disputed" or "hoaxes". Rockefeller wrote himself in his Memoirs:

      "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

      Knowing his character, the Bilderberg quote would not be a stretch for him.

      • Thomas Jefferson says:

        Got Em Coach!

      • Grey says:

        VC, great job at pointing out Rockefeller's own words in "Memoirs".

        Rockefeller openly admits to being part of a secret cabal (cabal originates from the word Cabala, interesting no?) that is working against the best interests of the united states, in order to create a New World Order. This backs up the previous Rockefeller statement thanking the media for being discrete concerning their agenda to form a one world government. I would ague that Rockefeller did say that quote and that misinformation artists are trying to muddy the waters by denying it and crediting it to some French newspaper. We know for a fact that the heads of the mainstream media have been going to the Bilderberger meetings since their inception and that the Bilderberger meetings did not appear in any mainstream publications for over 40 years. Simple deductive reasoning and common sense should easily convince a person that Rockefeller did make that statement.

  5. Marcy says:

    I trust my crackhead tweaker neighbors more than I'll ever trust the damn bbc or the government elite at their evil tea parties!

  6. Ladin says:

    Normal people who have no idea obay them.

    They will do anything the world says them to do, because they think terrorists (mostly muslims) are evil and not what's in their own government.

    Whole Europe and America are in it and I personally think this will never change.

    It will only get worse day by day..

    People like us, have no influence or the power to make a change.

    They make us believe that celebrities and stupid tv shows are our live.

    So our children will even get more stupid than we are.

    For example my mother and father in law. They actually think that the world is treathened by the muslims and that if they weren't there, the world would be so safe.

    They say we live in a democratic land, but this is not true. We have nothing to say, we only should obay the bigger people with power.

    When someone WITH power stands up, they kill him or make him go to prison.

    We have seen this a lot in in movies, but people think those are just made up stories.

    That our government really has no money, but they have a lot only they don't spend it on the regular people. But the elite.

    Just like me , I'm a born muslim but I can't find A single job here. They just don't invite me nothing.

    I want to do so much, I am smart enough but they rather have their own.

    • Magda says:

      You think its because you're Muslim?

      Most people are struggling to find a job in this economic climate and even with a job, still struggling not to have it taxed away by the Government.

      We are all in the same boat – trust me.

      • UNITURNZ2000 says:

        It makes me sad to think that money has so much control over us. how did humanity ever get to this point…..

      • Jorgo says:

        @ UNITURNZ2000 June 8, 2011 at 3:12 pm:

        Well, it's actually quite simple, it's called GREED. Back that up with a little selfishness and you're there.

        It happens on all levels, not only at the top. Just look around these days, many people, regardless of what sexe or race, are just a bunch of selfish bastards. Justifying every wrong they do in some irrational manner.

        A lot of this behaviour is copied from what they see on tv, at least that's my opinion. Per example: "it's okay to have anafair and betray your family, you deserve to be happy". I see this happen a lot and I see these notions being fed to us through the television and magazines. People's response: "well, it just happened". WRONG, these things happen because you let them happen, plain and simple.

        If you anyone wants to change the world for the better, start with yourself. I think every change, no matter how small, is important. In the end it's really about a change in people's consiousness.

      • lear says:

        It's frightening to see they kill each other for pennies. When a car accident takes place, some individuals would rather find and steal a wallet/watch/mobile phone etc than assist the victim(s)…

        Time to accept that our actions make a huge difference and refrain from fretting about other individuals' malevolence…

      • Ladin says:

        No, I don't think it's only Muslims, but I live in a small town and here it is very hard for a girl with a lastname that they rather hate, to find anything.

        When you live in a big town in Holland, it's not so hard to find a job, but believe me if you lived here, you would say the same thing.

        However I agree that Everyone struggles, I just don't know how it is in the USA.

        What I actually wanted to say is that people are getting different day by day.

        A few years ago the Dutch people loved foreign countries and they wanted to help you every bit.

        They wanted people to help them get their country back on track.. They did everything for them.

        But now, since politicians are talking about the Muslims Tsunami en that the world is not safe.

        They are so changed.. They look at people like me as if we are dirt.

        As if we don't deserve to live in their country.

        People believe everything they hear on television, when someone repeats something many times, they will start to believe that it's the truth.

        And the people who are smart enough, just like on VC. Have nothing to say.

        They don't invite us for interviews on television to talk about anything, they only want to see their own people who talk what the want.

        The younger generation is even getting worse than mine, I'm 21 almost 22 and since a year I have found out about everything that's been going on.

        I was amazed that I was one of those people who didn't see it, while it was in front of me the whole time..

        I always believed in politicians and democraty, I thought they truely helped me, us, everyone.

        But I am very glad that I have opened my eyes and that they won't fool me ever again.

        Sometimes they make you wonder, when they talk about some issues, as if you are delusional.

        But the nex day there is so much more proof that they are getting to a NWO.

        The economic crisis, they made it themselves, it didn't just happen like they say.

        They took the money, who gets the slap in the face? The normal people..

        I just truely wonder how it will be in a few years, will the middle class be poor?

        Will there even me more World Wars?

        Will they take us to concentration camps?

        I wish someone could give me the anwser.. maybe in the Bilderbed meetings?

      • lear says:

        @Ladin I'm surprised with the changes in the Netherlands. I despise Amsterdam for personal reasons but the local people were fine, friendly, and in excellent terms with foreigners. My problem was with the foreigners in Amsterdam because they were behaving like lunatics..they were obsessing with the local attractions -if you get my drift- causing complete mayhem. The Dutch from the South gave me the impression to be aloof. But anyway it's such a tiny country, you could get a job anywhere there and travel daily by train. Good luck with it.

  7. 27moni says:

    it's scary to think that these people can sit down a decide that all hell should break loose tomorrow. I wonder just how many historical events have been staged just to distract us or just to spread fear and panic

    • Voice of Reason says:

      Probably most.

    • sam says:

      This is a pretty good link on youtube about the rothchilds and their influence throughout history, its not complete but you'll get a general idea and it explains the paper money system really well.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F4IGwuKdUQ

      lol I was shopping with my family for flowers and theres even a tropical flower thats named after the rothchilds it was weird (just fyi) hahaha

  8. Ladin says:

    I wonder what the world will look like in a few years..

    Will the poor get even more poor and will the middle east be even worse?

    Will America go bankrupt, will they keep their power?

    I really wonder, because there are a lot of things happening recently.

    There are some big things coming..

  9. IllektroBarbie says:

    In the next few years the population will be severely culled down through "natural disasters" and exponentially growing infertility rates and "new mutating bacteria" or even perhaps full-on extermination. The elite know our planet is overpopulated and will work towards bringing the population down to a much more manageable and controllable size. So sadly, or incredibly (depending on your faith and your heart I believe) we will probably not be around in a few years to see what the world likes it. Personally, I'd rather not. Or I plan to be completely and comfortably off the map. I identify with this article when it says that those conspiracy theorists don't trust their neighbors. I don't. I don't trust anyone I don't know, and even then I have doubts. If our goverment and world political leaders can operate so clandestinely then so can anyone else. And just as in the McCarthy era, these days it pays to sell out your neighbor. Good article for disinformation, but also very informative when you see through it. Thanks VC!!!

    • Ladin says:

      Did you ever hear of HAARP? Something they set in the air, so that can cause world disasters..?

      I almost couldn't believe that it was really true.. I was shocked..

      And no, I don't trust nobody. They obay the bigger people and if they can spy on you or anything, they would.

      I think the world has had it's HIGH and now were on the LOW run.

  10. Fleurdamour says:

    A small group of very rich and powerful people who meet secretly to discuss the fate of the world and complain bitterly about press exposure and public knowledge of their attendees and activities – gee, why in the world would we have any reason to distrust them? We must be nuts!

  11. josh says:

    the one in the memoirs is the most revealing of all time, that's the one I keep on telling people when they don't believe me, because it supports all my claims.

    I think bbc should make a special: a debate of: "anti-semite" if which they call vs. the bbc

    and you quote that and tell them:

    IN YOUR FACE!

    and wake up everyone who's watching!

  12. Sliversoul says:

    It's just amazing.. In a sad way -.-

  13. Alex says:

    I was just talking to someone about the new world order last night. He asked me how is this new world going to be implemented? These are my thoughts and I told him that what I believe will happen is that the rapture will happen first– so Jesus will come back and take all his believers up into heaven with him . So think about how chaotic this world will be when millions of people have disappeared off the face of this planet.. it will be wayyyy crazy

    .I believe that this will give the elite the advantage to "help" put the world back together.. therefore creating a new world order. what are your thoughts?

    • MATMARSYNDICATE says:

      I have a similar theory, but I think the rapture will happen first, then the NWO in full effect to lead people to "order", then Jesus returns and claims his throne and puts in place paradise on earth, as it is in heaven. CAN'T FRICKIN WAIT!

      -I also have a theory about aliens(reptillians) actually being demons that might walk the earth after the rapture, thats a little much for people to hear so I'll just leave it at that. lol I swear I'm sane.

      • Grey says:

        Alex & Matmar,

        The Rapture cannot happen first. The Scriptures are very clear as to the timing of the rapture, i.e., "At the last trump". And that is just one example, there are many verses that prove the rapture doesn't happen until the end of the Tribulation.

        As for the New World Order, it is a reflection of the regime that will be put in place immediately after the great earthquake that will begin the tribulation period (three and one half years, not seven years as most mainstream ministers falsely teach). The great earthquake will be the event that triggers all of the prophecies of Revelation to unfold. The rich men of the earth and the people of earth will not be able to deny that the Creator of the heavens and earth has begun to judge the world of men. In their fear they will try to appease the Creator and will demand that the people of the world adhere to specific religious rites in order to avoid further judgment from the Creator. This is how the number of the beast will be implemented, through fear.

        Anyone who refuses will be killed, most likely through decapitation of the head.

        The New World Order that rules over us now will not be the same "New World Order" as described in the book of Revelation. If you read the Scriptures carefully and study them deeply you can come to no other conclusion. The old world order will be completely destroyed and Lucifer will appear "as an angel of light" and will begin the final world order before the second appearing of the Messiah. I'm sure there will be elements of the old joined with the new, even some of the players we're familiar with will participate, but it will not be a New World Order ruled by men. The current world order has been created to usher in the final world order, and the man of sin, the son of perdition, will be at the head of the "new" post-earthquake crisis government that will be formed to try and appease the Creator from completely destroying all of us.

      • Alex says:

        I will admit I have never taken the time to sit down and actually read what the Bible has to say about the end times. I have always relied on listening to people like Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, etc. I have found that there are people who believe the rapture will happen and then there will be a crazy trib perioud and there are people who believe that we will have to all live throughout it. I'm just going to read it myself. Should have done that to begin with. Is there another book in the Bible besides Revelation that talk about this?

      • Chambek says:

        There will be no rapture. If you are a bible reader then you need to realize that as a false doctrine. A rapture is not mentioned in the bible, it's not even suggested. The anointed are the ones who go to heaven to rule as kings beside Christ. All other lay asleep in death awaiting the resurrection, like lazaurus. Gods day of judgment comes gets rid of the wicked all righteous goes on living/resurrected. Plain and simple

      • michelle says:

        I hope the rapture will come first also, but there are two schools of thought on that one. That believers will be taken or that believers will have to go through the tribulation also. I am leaning on that we will have to go through the tribulation just from what the Bible says, but I know that Revelations has symbolism connected to the Old Testament. No one knows except the Father what will exactly happen and I don't think any of us can say for sure. We don't have that knowledge.

      • Trevor Barr says:

        Catch 22

      • Antiquated Joe says:

        Hello Alex,

        The Book of Daniel is described as apocalyptic; particularly chapter 2, 7 and 10-12. It complements the Book of Revelation very nicely. In fact, the Book of Revelation cannot be effectively understood without the Book of Daniel.

        The Book of Zechariah is also apocalyptic but from the perspective of Israel especially chapters 12-14. The Book of Ezekiel has apocalyptic portions which are found in chapter 38 and 39 again from the perspective of Israel. There is also the Book of Joel which is a short book.

        The Book of Daniel though is probably the most significant and is often called the ABC of prophecy. Here is a study guide that explains the historical and prophetic significance of the Book of Daniel in good detail. http://www.soniclight.com/constable/notes/pdf/dan

    • Sarah Connor says:

      Alex & Matmar – Grey is right. Pretrib is unscriptural – Van Impe is off about lots of things – but I did use to enjoy watching him. This will unfortunately cause mens hearts and faith to fail them when it does not happen. Prepare your hearts and minds!!! Matmar, there is no shortage of info on the subject, what we perceive as aliens, many believe are one of the types of demon entities – the great deception.

      • sirrah says:

        Jack Van Impe is a member of a Dutch Illuminati family- and I cannot prove it. His 'ministry' is simply there to make money off the sheeple.

      • Alex says:

        Sirrah- how do you know this?

      • sirrah says:

        first of all there is no person of 'fame' on any large television broadcast that is not an Illuminati operative- however, if you watch these people very closely on their shows they will give you clues as to who they are-

        on an old Broadcast Van Impe admitted that his family is from the Netherlands ( most famous Nederlanders are from the Dutch bloodlines that are very old like the Van Duynes)- also Van Impe once worked for Billy Graham- Mr Graham is known to be a Freemason and he is actually part of the U.S. extended Windsor family- I believe he comes form the Rockefellar family as they are well ensconced on the east coast of U.S. and in N. Carolina there is a large Satanic coven- Graham was born there…the connection of Van Impe to Graham places them on the same team via circumstantial evidence.

        Most of these wealthy Christian Evangelists are part of the Apostate Church they are working for the One World Religion and are getting rich from it…

      • sirrah says:

        and also the prefix 'Van' is Dutch andwas used in the old world as an indication of family lineage-but they primarily used the prefix to indicate someone was from an important family-

        it's highly likely Mr. 'VAN' Impe is actually a part of the Van Duyne family bloodline- a very old deeply Satanic one at that.

      • Torisho Student says:

        Sarah, I have been reading your comments for the past year. I would really like to message you. Is there a way that I can? – torisho student

      • Sarah Connor says:

        Of course Torisho – go to http://www.holyghostinthemachine.com/

        If you join you can friend and email me there.

    • Whats Next says:

      Alex, may i present some scripture that may shed some light on your thoughts? II Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you brethern by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto Him,

      2 That ye be not shaken in mind, or troubled, neither by spirit , nor by work, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

      4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      So from this we see that there is no gathering to Christ until the son of perdition aka anti christ is revealed. We are also told how he will be revealed. The next question is when does he make that appearance?

      Daniel chapter 7 answers that. Verse 23:Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down and break it in pieces.

      24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them: and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

      25 And he shall speak great works against the MOST HIGH, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

      So we see that his appearance is not until the 10 kings(nwo) are in place. Scripture does not clarify whether the man of sin will be the first, second, third or which leader he will be of the organization. But it is clear that, first we will see the nwo come to power, then at some point the man of sin will reveal himself, and then we can start looking for Christ's return. I hope that these scripture will help clarify the time frame

      • aenima says:

        You know what, prophecies can be attributed to visions and dreams, or in another way and that way resonates more with me. So think with me. If you were a wealthy old family in the year 400 or so AD, and you’d be around Constantine who at the time was bound to play the role of the Roman man who converted to christianity… following some (elites in paticular) but followed by many, via cunning tricks, policy, and an unhealthy amount of violence…

        you might just have an idea to invent a mysterious book and call it “the Holy Bible”…

        and in an attempt to convert Everyone in the Roman empire, including the jews, you then decide to call it “the New Testament”…

        and, you being an Elite Family, lay out a plan “for the new age” which should take incredibly long but be incredibly easy when working diligently with close relatives and inner friends of like minded spirit and ideology who know how to adapt to current situation without leaving the “ultimate goal” out of sight.

        As a healthy young man I would say, religion has got us by the balls for at least two millennia. Supernatural stuff. Did you know there even is a portion of the brain that is responsible for religious awareness and is able to completely shut critical thinking off and instead make us turn to faith for no other reason but to survive?

        This part of the brain helped us when the earth was a small place where not many people lived by learning us how to survive and bond with each other.

        But this part of the brain is valuable to those in power because they know how to manipulate it.

        They do this so /they/ can survive. Not caring for those who do not share their blood. And that’s the bulk of us.

      • sitarah says:

        @ Powerhouse and Benesha:

        I totally agree with you guys that religion may very well be a tool for 'them' to

        use to keep us misinformed. And I too do NOT deny the existence of a God. Just

        wondering if anyone has seen "Ancient Aliens" by any chance???

        Please do watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m7UMwpex5g

    • powerhouse says:

      People waiting for the rapture are missing the whole point of it all. Earth is our heaven, and those demons or entities are invading our space. Its time people wake up, fight back, and stop waiting for someone to save them who may or may not come.

      There have been over 100 or more genocides through the course of human history. Just the deaths alone happing every day are enough. You would think that with all this suffering and death in the world, we would already have caused judgement day to begin, and Jesus or any other savior you want to believe in would have already swooped down and took away the entirely good people away from this earth. But has that happened yet. No?

      Don’t get me wrong, I believe in a higher principle and a God who wishes all life to grow and be in balance. And I believe that this power is rightfully supporting our emancipation, and is helping all of us right now by helping to wake us up.

      However, modern Reilgion is a mind trap meant and created by these devil worshiping fools to keep you stagnant, instead on your life purpose and transforming yourself. And the reason why such a cabal has been able to take over the world is that they know the techniques/magic of mind-body-spirt transformation, which they have kept from the masses while they continue to feed people the elementary version.

      We are living on a farm people, upon which we are the cows. And the closer you get this into your head, the freer you are from all-the distraction and less susceptible to their mind-tricks.

      The day of judgement will come as a test of whether your heart is pure enough to actually stand up and take notice or action when you see or feel wrong, instead of standing on the fence while the people you love die. We all suscribe to this torment anyway. We all consiously make a decision to use their illuminati money. Who do you think God is going to judge rightly or wrongly in heaven, if you sit there and concisously voice your support by doing nothing?

      It is time we free ourselves.

      • lear says:

        Illuminati doesn't lay its cards on the table. That cult is unprecedentedly devious, corrupted to its core..among other things, they manipulate sorcery to achieve their goals..

        I have no answers for everything, what I embrace is spiritual faith instilled in me by choice..I believe there is God and His Son is my Saviour..that's only the first step..there are many more stepping stones toward repairing my relationship with God..

      • Benesha says:

        I agree with that. The religions of the past 2000 yrs made us blind. The Bible itself was put together by the early Bishops. Only the stories which fitted their plan were put in. Also when they translated it from the original texts, they made mistakes because they did not understand what some words meant. So we must not take everything literally. No religion is the one and only. I believe in God as a universal power of love and the most important thing we need to learn is to love each other unconditionally.I believe also that there are powers in place who fight against the Good. Call it the illuminati or other organisations.

    • Nice Guys says:

      It's so weird hearing about how the NWO desires population reduction and then reading about how so many will die during the tribulation….even though all the things that will happen will be supernatural and acts of God, I know they will give credit to Lucifer. Oh well, in the end, the truth will prevail!!

      • Chambek says:

        The illuminati or what ever you wanna call it intends to force their own fulfillment of scripture on their own terms, either in a desperate attempt to stop the true heavenly fulfillment or perhaps out of misinterpretation. Either way they will fail, their plans will be made confused as usual and they will be the ones ultimately destroyed

    • ong says:

      And while a group of very rich and powerful people meet to discuss things that they deem we should never learn, completely sidestepping democracy and acting like medieval chieftains, you sit there and argue whether a prophetic/symbolic/fictional text gives exact dates for the time when it will all be made good for you by Jesus. And all you have to do is wait.

      I'm sure world leaders would like nothing better than us to remain distracted by feel-good prophesies.

  14. be more open minded says:

    Speechless! a million things can be said what could go on in that meeting but man i wish the flies could talk bc there will be plenty of them there. All we can do is wonder and wait.

  15. Kwasi says:

    BBC was just beating about the bush!

  16. anon says:

    I read this bbc article about 30 minutes ago before coming over to VC's site. I couldn't even finish the thing, the tone of the article was disgusting to me, dripping with sarcasm and lies. Any mainstream "news" story about "conspiracy" (truth) stories are just un-readable. Every word I read makes me angrier and angrier. And the comments section is often even worse. This is the first year I've ever HEARD of this meeting. Glad to know what's finally going on, but also disheartening to see the lengths they go to cover up what they're actually doing. Watched the movie They Live couple nights ago….highly recommend it! "They live, we sleep." So true.

    • MATMARSYNDICATE says:

      LOVE THAT MOVIE! Obey the giant

    • powerhouse says:

      These people will make their own beds, and eventually sleep in it. Don't let them get to you. Because they have to write stupid hit piece articles means they are getting desperate.

      If people really want to make a stand, they should cause mass boycotts of illegimate news. MSM and the print advertisers who suscribe to properganda. Don't mass protest politicians. They don't suscribe to votes anyway, only dollar signs. However, the Properganda Media does. They need viewers to make money. Protest them. Shut them down.

      The more they lie, and tell you nothing is wrong, everyone go back to sleep, the more they are called out for it.

      Their bucket of soothsaying is dwindling fast. Soon they will be all out of lies.

  17. sad but true says:

    if we know,it makes them no difference most of the masses are mind controlled already by tv,sports events,food and music , we wont stop financially supporting these corporations because our way of life would change drastically,its like we would have to go back in time and live like the Amish folks. Noone is willing to make that kind of lifestyle sacrifice, we the masses can bankrupt these criminals. by just refusing to buy their goods .if dont watch their "programs"the advertisers will stop buying airtime., if we do not take vacations ,which only serve as distractions fuel isnt needed for the airplanes and the cars.Im afraid that even if we all knew their plans for the NWO ,would they even stop and think of a better plan for the future? would the FED ever issue notes without debt? can all of our needs be met by the gov't and there was no need to struggle, can we all work only for our enjoyment doing what really makes us happy, housing costs werent expensive,college was free for anyone who wanted to go, tv programs and music were not about subliminal messages, jails werent full ,no need for soldiers, no need for police, no paid politicians only volunteers,no poverty,no big pharma,there would be no need for a conspiracy…..

  18. Kookakicha says:

    It's ridiculous. To think that these people call themselves journalists. This is a shame to journalism, if there ever was anything like true journalism.

    How can it even dare suggest that it is ok for these rich bastards to meet like that? If there really was nothing suspicious or wrong about the whole Bilderberg meeting, then why all the security and discretion?

    They have something to hide.

  19. Logic Seeker says:

    "The simplest explanation is always the most likely." – Agatha Christie

    However, when something big or catastrophic happens in our lives, simple explanations just aren't as satisfying. We want a deeper reason and meaning and when it isn't given to us, we create our own. This is how conspiracy theories are born. Someone doesn't like the official story of a major event and challenges it with a made up version. Conspiracy theories can attract a lot of people, from big time supporters to those who just like a good fictional story. Whether they're "somewhat" believable or completely ridiculous they're fascinating but not real.

    • Grey says:

      That's a cheap, dime-store psychology explanation and doesn't do the evidence any justice whatsoever. The simplest explanations are not always the most likely, regardless of what Agatha Christie or anyone else may believe. Darwin said that the cell would be simple yet science has proven the exact opposite. That's just one example of the "simplest explanation being the most likely" theory falling on its face.

      Investigation of the evidence is what determines truth, not simplicity. I don't want or need a deeper reason or meaning, just the truth. And the truth isn't always a simple affair. Using the term "conspiracy theorist" is by default a rejection of the evidence and proof that there are powerful forces out there trying to circumvent critical thinking in the public. Everything you've written can be reversed and applied to your own world view. The truth is that we're not discussing a theory, we're discussing facts and evidence that prove their is a conspiracy to destroy nationalism and individual freedom.

      Isn't it a fact that the world's most powerful politicians keep on calling for a New World Order? Isn't it a fact that the United Nations wants to disarm all of the people of the world and be in control of the most powerful military in the world? Isn't it a fact that the U.N. is pushing for total control over the world's natural resources under Agenda 21? And isn't it a fact that UNESCO has been merging all education under their power, teaching collectivism and OBE education to the world's children? And isn't it a fact that the people running the U.N. are Luciferians?

      Everything above is backed up by United Nations documents, official U.N. resolutions, and quotes coming directly from their own people.

      "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." – David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations.

      No, this isn't a theory, it is a fact.

      • Logic Seeker says:

        I think this describes what is going on here. I won't fall for it.

        When the PCTs (Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist) do bring their conspiracy theories to the public in forums where they can be challenged, they are masters at evading contrary evidence and challenging opponents to explain this or that, which, when explained, is quickly ignored in favor of a new this or that that needs to be explained, ad nauseam.

        http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html

      • Logic Seeker says:

        Last post on this issue.

        DEBUNKING THE MYTHS

        CONSPIRACY THEORY

        The elite, with their unlimited wealth, start wars for profit.

        FAULTY LOGIC

        If, as the conspiracy theorists believe, you are the group printing the money, why would you start a war for more money? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by using a false flag event, and they are wars over money and oil. It is far more likely that the perpetrators are the same villains constantly confronted by the Bilderberg Group on the world stage.

        CONSPIRACY THEORY

        The elite intend to massacre six billion people using synthetic diseases and massive death camps.

        FAULTY LOGIC

        Why spend forty years implementing birth control and life choices and not use the programs? Diseases are deadly to everybody including those who release them. The world has witnessed death camp ovens and will not let the same thing happen on a global scale. It is far more likely that Bilderberg intends to stabilize the population and slowly implement reduction methods through education and life choices.

        CONSPIRACY THEORY

        The elite have been solidifying their plans for thousands of years through secret societies.

        FAULTY LOGIC

        A common claim that has been made for over two hundred years. Masons control everything…no its the Catholics…um, I meant to say the Illuminati…oh, ah. I really meant to say its Skull and Bones…I never said that, I was trying to say it must be those Bilderberg guys! The secret cabals of dastardly evil-doers responsible for the worlds woes is one of the oldest social myths. It is also a convenient excuse to blame "them" while excepting no personal responsibility.

        CONSPIRACY THEORY

        The elite have discovered a method of medical immortality and are conspiring to keep it to themselves.

        FAULTY LOGIC

        So the scientists and their army of assistances are all in on it? If a method of immortality has been developed, why do the elite continue to grow old and die? It is far more likely that that members of the Bilderberg Group continue to fund medical innovation for the good of humanity, and all of the documentation proves this to be true.

        CONSPIRACY THEORY

        The elite are dumbing down the populace to revert the world into a Dark Ages style feudal society.

        FAULTY LOGIC

        If we become universally stupid, who is going to keep the electricity going and provide the many luxuries of modern society for the elite? Who is going to look after them when they get sick? Who are they going to talk with when they get bored? It is far more likely that the Bilderberg agenda is implementing plans to raise humanity from ignorance, poverty, and war.

        http://bilderberg.weebly.com/debunking.html

      • Sarah Connor says:

        Logic Seeker – Deal with reality, before reality deals with you! That blog is laughable! Try this instead, you can thank me later.

        http://www.nwosurvivalguide.com/ – his video section is better than Netflix any day of the week.

        "[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living.

        They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges.

        They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be non the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability.

        After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call "Social Insurance". Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly.

        The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America."

        - Letter from Rothschild Agent Colonel Edward Mandell House to Woodrow Wilson (President) [1913-1921] found in Wilson's personal diary/logs.

      • Kokoapelli says:

        Indeed! Agreed! …a little story…received a catalog in the mail @ 2 mths. ago. “The Great Courses”- “now enjoy brilliant college lectures in your home or car”…a cd or dvd selection of what they quote the “LATimes” as being from “passionate,erudite, living-legend lecturers.”

        Well…”The History of the United States, 2nd Ed.” consists of 84 series. (numerological 3, folks, as an aside…) The titles of all are very telling, as are the order given. I won’t list all of ‘em, but the final five are a bit telling in & of themselves. #80=”Religion in 20th Century America”, #81=”Carter & the Reagan Revolution”, #82=”The New World Order”, #83=Clinton’s American & the Millennium”, & #84=”Reflections”.

        Each lecture= (only) 30 min. long.

        I find this sooo…telling. This catalog is for “intelligensia”, which infiltrates all…

        Just sayin’! Fight On!!

    • joanna says:

      This person is a SHILL read his other posts ………… Logic why bother ?

      • Logic Seeker says:

        It seems as though you say everyone should be able to express themselves on this site, but you only reserve that for those that agree with you. You just can't stand it when someone disagrees with you and can back up their statements. That's when you start with the name calling. I'd say you're pretty inconsistent.

      • Chambek says:

        L.S. You don't back a single thing up and your rebuttles are purely based on assumption and bias. Yeah say what you want. You still stick out as an obvious shill. …

      • UNITURNZ2000 says:

        ok, so once this plan is implemented, once they have achieved their ultimate goal to take over the world, whats next? what are they trying to achieve by having one world military. if they are controlling the whole world who are they going to war with? if they are planning on getting rid of 2/3 of the population, what requirements are there for the remaining population. who are they choosing to stay?

      • lear says:

        I presume that the puppets will remain to serve the cult. They will worship devil and the other evil spirits, will perform their sorcery and practise odd rituals. Whoever disagrees will be disposed.

      • soldier says:

        @Logic Seeker….your posts are of no use or consequence maybe you should try your techniques on a more dumbed-down, uninformed crowd, more suitable and similar to yourself. This a forum of unplugged, well-informed individuals; so please go else where with your lies and false accusations. You are still stuck in the "illusion" and mind control techniques used by the elites.

        -Come back when you can find your way out of fantasyland and into reality.

    • newbie says:

      "….What is not so amusing is his identification of the Freemasons as a subversive cabal. This idea is popular among PCTs, especially with those on the religious right like Pat Robertson, who are also prone to be *ANTI-SEMITIC* " – http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html

      I always found it odd that for those like @logic seeker being a critical thinker involves popular opinion within a "critical thinkers" point of view. Its one thing to use critical thinking to show the faulty logic of those who don't do their homework about the Illuminati (which is correct, there is no group any longer) which is a LUCIFERIAN RELIGION that one is BORN into. But what about the countless books by manly p. hall, albert pike, david rockerfeller etc?

      What about the speeches or prayers politicians give addressing "the angel in the whirlwind"? nevermind the [pct] and crazy fear mongers – just look at the pop culture media -GLOBALLY- you dont find that it odd that the same mk ultra/esoteric/illuminati religious ideas and symbolism are being used now?? even if you dont believe in mk ultra and all that – if you read a book about it you would see that somebody in the media -GLOBALLY- thought that it was cool to use that material in videos, doesnt that strike you as a bit odd??

      By all means lets be critical thinkers but lets not dismiss this information as fantasy based on ANOTHER INDIVIDUALS faulty research [skeptic.com] – do your own.

      • face in the crowd says:

        logic seeker is a critic, not a skeptic in true persuit of logic (truth). he/she is pretty much just afraid…that we could be correct in our observations about the intent of media and monetary system.

        In all seriousness, Logic Seeker, we want to help…read more about Edward Bernays, Rupert Murdoch, Goldman Sachs, birth of the Leauge of Nations/United Nations, Bernard Eastlund, Steve Kurtz, I could go on and on and on, these events and people…not too far away in terms of historical time to be deemed fact based (thats all I go for, really, then I let reality guide me to a conclusion) if you can cross reference what you read (which I have been able to) if you are so inclined, real more into methods of extracting natural resources, the turn science took because of our lessons in these methods and research EXACTLY HOW people turn profit on mass level extracting natural resource. Read more into who we entrust to extract and regulate the processes AND science. If you think we are hostile and abusive, you should know what the PIC think of your childrens unborn children (and so on so forth). They view them as currency. I essentially am referring to old money Europe when I say "they". Our assumptions are not really closed minded, when you take VERIFIABLE fact and ACCURATE observation….there are always HUGE discrepancies in the information that is communicated on a mass scale, this has not always been the case…again, if you are familiar with how current Media functions and have researched the birth of public broadcasting. I read constantly. Most of "facts" are reprinted and if you log in the story and the publisher (if you were so inclined to take the time to do so, over a period of time) you will see patterns that directly contradiict the idea of a free press commited to inform and empower the masses. THIS is what provides me the most information, not disputing facts, just recording the way they are reported and by whom and looking for patterns. So if you don't want to consider my apology on behalf of everyone, if you don't want to believe we just want to help you out by encouraging you to have more questions than answers..well, thats ok. It does provide me data, the fact that you refuse to consider our assertations here. I know it is hard to live in fear, you are the only closed minded, dumbed-down, uninformed hypocrite commenting on this site, that must get lonely on a website directed at people who are the exact opposite of you. You are not expressing a different point of view or a different side of something you have information on because frankly, you have not logically tested each idea (the media's CURRENT intent and purpose is to inform vs. the media's CURRENT intent and purpose is to confuse). So, not to read to much into the emotion behind text on a screen : ) but it seems you became very hostile because what the kind people above me were saying to you doesn’t fit into YOUR narrow minded point of view. So continue to live in your fantasy world. I am able to observe many of you, thus reinforcing an observable fact, ignorance is bliss. I refuse to give a shit if all the people out there like you are too lazy to collect data FIRST before assuming you know anything about logic. Watching tv is not data collection.

        YOU: "If, as the conspiracy theorists believe, you are the group printing the money, why would you start a war for more money?"

        ME: "Why are they printing America's money?"

        Ideally, you will read this…not respond but immediately go read something uncirculated, anything, on mass communication, global economics or social psychology, preferable things dated from 1940 through 1960, because that was when they were hashing shit out and many facts were documented that, today, are liabilites to the slave masters control of thought process. They print the money, loan the money, incite the war, fund the war, collect the debt in the aftermath, loan money for recovery, etc etc. Most people are too naive (afraid) to consider these things could be fact-based. Why you would assume they are the lies of crazy people first, is beyond me.

        Same week BBC runs this, LA Times has similar story on page A14…

        Los Angeles, just the city, has over 5 million people. More than the entire state of Montana. Think they ran a conspiracy loon story in Montana?

    • Ragnarok says:

      That's a fine piece of parroting right there logic seeker. Ever try thinking for yourself? The Universe is an immensely complex system of constantly interacting components. Complexity breeds more complexity. Occams Razor is bullshit of the highest order, hearing it from a man/woman with letters after their name does not make it any less so.

  20. GARLAND AK47 says:

    The feeling I would get watching that Ski Resort blow up, with all of them in there, almost scares me of how much happiness I would get out of .

  21. c sanborn says:

    … I wanna vomit …

    who is Tom de Castella ? This guy? : http://www.tomdecastella.com/

    this is the poorest site you can setup . 3 pages in 10 minutes . try clicking on the bottom and you ll run into a "Not found" . Err, what ? Who is this guy, anyway ?

    Man you got a job : here is 500 bucks and you write me an article .

    Let it sound ridiculous, right from the start, like you try to stop a kid s silly questions . make it clear the reader would be an idiot believing such outrageous stories . make sure to use our dummy argument list , it worked for years now . and quote, quote, quote . make it look like the whole world is laughing about that nonesense . contradict logic . and contradict historical quotes, even when they had been broadcasted all over the world .

    finally finish with a judgmentm that it is all fairy tales . and mention god .

    … I wanna vomit …

  22. IllektroBarbie says:

    Morbidly enough, I'm with you there. But the "conspiracy theorist" inside of me says it would still somehow be a part of their plan lol!!!

    • Kokoapelli says:

      Yeah…it would be kinda funny if their kids decided to insure 'em to the hilt, blow up their respective "old fogeez" up for the cash, & say "screw it" to their evil planz & go party.

      Kidz? Where are ya?

  23. joanna says:

    @Marie

    Thank you very much for adding link – kind lady :-)

  24. Jay says:

    Secret Banking Cabal Emerges From AIG Shadows

    'The idea of secret banking cabals that control the country and global economy are a given among conspiracy theorists who stockpile ammo, bottled water and peanut butter. After this week’s congressional hearing into the bailout of American International Group Inc., you have to wonder if those folks are crazy after all.'

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-28/secret-b

  25. lilith says:

    It's a funny way of putting it, but i feel that we are living in a "men in black" kind of world, we are the men in black we are the only ones who knows what's really going on, and the truth is too out there to even be taken seriously and the tabloid news (in this case the free speech media we find mostly online) is what's actually the truth… twisted reality :s

  26. newsblok.com says:

    Glad you pointed this out, I was furious at reading that article by the BBC. Absolute nonsense "journalism". Not actually reporting on what was going to happen at this meeting but instead choosing to focus on ridiculing & demonizing anyone that has the temerity to question what these mega powerful people are doing having these secret meetings.

  27. km says:

    "It’s much smarter than conspiracy,” says Prof Kakabadse. “This is moulding the way people think so that it seems like there’s no alternative to what is happening.”

    Well, at least they're semi-honest.

  28. FormerGlobalist says:

    I read somewhere that in a disinfo article, they ask academic experts who are relatively unknown and tend to have different theories with most experts, but still in line with their agenda.

    Never heard of Goldsmith College…

  29. VC advocate says:

    The shill that calls himself logicseeker has many name's, it's a pattern i've noticed. Well my friends same story but just a different day. Kids all over should know about this. Let them know and understand whats going on.

  30. face in the crowd says:

    “The only difference is the degree of nefariousness, they (meaning everyone on this site) tend to see this cabal as outright evil. When things are more nuanced than that.”

    Automatically trust the intent of the wealthiest people in the world who meet up annually with intent to hold private discussions about the world economy, which they control. Honestly, this is not in line with self-preservation, on a sociologic level. I would be a stupid animal if I were not cautious in trusting anothers intent on that level, where so many lives are ripple effected after their stupid dick circle. Am I paranoid about this group? No. I am right with my death, be it at their hands or not, no fear of it, not assuming anything more beyond death (which is a fact we all share). I try to be a good person, trusting, neighborly. Am I skeptical about this group? Yes. I am a healthy, knowledgeable skeptic. Am I threatened by this group? No. The poor outnumber the powerful (rich). I do, however, wish people redefined power for what it is. I wish all people could come to a conclusion (by way of books) that science proves there is a God, a superior, non discriminatory sourceflow of information on Earth, observable natural law. Information waves are being transmitted to us from non terrestrial source. CERN, I know the geologic reasons that type of research facility could not exist in America but people would be skeptical, after all we want transparancy and no we would not buy the "we built this huge expensive machine to find a particle that we are not certain even exists, that if found, would prove God's existence". The skeptics know the data from this facility assists the military, thats it.

    I pity the monetarily powerful and the ignorant sidekicks they can't survive without.

    Spread the word to your friends, give links to people for every site like this. I just write the links on stacks of white paper and I slip them in public library books, people get intrigued and look it up, even conservative old people. The global monetary system comes from an intentful source, for sure, it is insulting for anyone to brush anothers point of view on this system off as "wacky" like Dave said, its dismissive, reverse psychology, often the source of a critic is fear. The source of a skeptic is often anger. Protest the US monetary system any small or large way you can. I keep my money out of banks, I don't shop for anything but food and clothing twice a year, I have seeds, I have a scrambler, I know where to find pirate radio near my area, I protect my IP address, yes, I have even found a use for a voice recorder, compass and .22 I also stay very active in ART as a means of PROTEST put your distrust out there, don't feel scared to stand out. Just be informed beyond religion. The whole premise of this guys point is mute, people who cut media out, often have stronger local bonds. This is the wrench in their global spoke. I love my neighbors and we can disagree. No I don't trust them but that is only because science proves our brains are highly powerful as well as under used…translation: not all people know their own power and can control it once they find out they have it. Question everything…every anarchist and scientist I have ever met has this same motto. Science goes by method anyway, quantitative and qualitative. If you apply this same logic, known tested facts and observable data back up our assertation that THESE ASSHOLES DO NOT HAVE OPEN, TRANSPARENT INTENT. This is suspicious, therefore, conspiracy theorists are being more logical than the people suggesting we blindly support and accept this social behavior.

    Oh and anyone who uses the term "faulty logic" is a mega douche.

  31. face in the crowd says:

    read/watch and repost people. logic and blind trust are not compatible.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-28/secret-b

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

  32. kibodabi says:

    so Aaronovich believes that God is a fantasy……hmmmmm

    interesting

    that they should use this to end the article…..

    well

    let's see what God has to say about it

    i have heard that He's in the buidling….

    announcements will be made……

    let us see who will rule this world

    God or man

    i am bettiing on God

    i am all in.

  33. Jorgo says:

    It's only logical to not trust governments, looking back at history, there's more reason not to trust them then vice versa.

  34. Ninja says:

    Oh, so now WE are the ones who want to be IN CONTROL?? how ironic.

  35. Godozo says:

    People believe in Cabals because they exist. Period.

    Think of it: For thousands of years, where you were born dictated where you’d live, how you’d live, how you’d worship, who you’d marry, how long you’d live, how happy that life was, and where you’d be buried. And chances are, there’d be folks who were born into leadership positions and, barring news, would lead until their time came (when their children would take their place).

    The only difference between then and now is that the people leading the world have chosen to hide themselves and have more things they can do.

  36. Christina says:

    Maybe you come on this site because when you’re able to better acknowledge the evils of this world, it’s easier to be better. We can’t really help anybody until we help ourselves. (I try my best not to preach too much to my family because I’ m still learning and I’m not yet an example of what I preach. I annoy the shit out of them sometimes :/ lol) Anyway Clearlyenlight.com has some good information about raising our conciousness and educate-yourself.org is another enlighting website. I visit them along with this website. I hope this information helps. If not, I apologize. Best wishes

    • aussiechick says:

      Thanks for mentioning those site, it nice to remember not to get caught up in the fear and dread

      • Christina says:

        Your welcome. I've spent many nights giving myself anxiety over things I've learned. And then I realized it's not worth it n it's better to rise up then let myself feel defeated.

      • Kokoapelli says:

        I'm not big on getting biblical, but it is an interesting tidbit floating out there that in the "King James Version", the phrase, "fear not" can be found 365 times, once for each day of the Gregorian calendar.

        Just puttin' it out there…

        VIVA!!!

  37. Sovay says:

    Small question. Isn't the Hamas the democratically elected government of Palestine? They aren't just a 'bunch of terrorists' any-more than the U.S government or the Government of the U.K. Or maybe, they're all terrorist governments unless you happen to be western in which case you're excluded.

  38. They Live says:

    What's funny is members of this group have been quoted talking of a new world order, etc. there is actual footage of it. So it's funny the author of this propaganda wrote what he did, I guess he was hoping no one saw the footage.

  39. Who is the Author? says:

    The fact that there is no author listed speaks volumes about this piece. Sure the BBC apparently doesn't list the author on articles, but I think knowing the name of who wrote it would probably reveal what agenda the person is pushing.

    • SFrichie says:

      Try

      "Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?"

      The clue is in Tom de Castella. So know it speaks less volumes about the piece, presumably.

      In fact, given you state the author isn;t mentioned usually, this seems to more transparant than most…

  40. first name greatest says:

    SO. What we need to do is become rich and famous and get invited to one of these conventions in the future and SPILL!!

  41. IllektroBarbie says:

    Thanks for the tip Christina. I too am finding it difficult to not "preach" to all my family and friends. Some of them get it and agree, some of them don't disagree but think I'm cute for believing it so steadfastly (really, there is just too much evidence not to!) and others are too caught up in pop culture and the treats the elite provide (reality television, pop music, hell even pop-tarts!). It is so maddening because I want to shout "You're being dumbed down and worked and controlled just like cattle!" Any day now I expect some guy at my office or my bank to implant our chips for buying and selling. When that happens I see everyone else who I haven't told or who refused to listen to me falling off a cliff like lemmings. I'm getting married in July and then operation "off the map" begins. If anyone has tips for ways to store money without using the banking system, please post.

    And before someone leaves a snippity comment, I know lemmings don't actually drop off cliffs and stuff and that it's just more information from Disney. Man what a tangly web we walk on!

    • Christina says:

      My pleasure. I see how many people have become so attatched to the mass media. After my initial frustration to their disbelief of the info I share, I feel sad that my brothers and sisters are allowing themselves to be manipulated. I didn't always hold this disposition. I feel blessed with the information that I am finding. Alot of people are scared of the truth or scared of change or lack willpower underneath their ignorance and stubborness. It's easy to become lazy from all of the manufactured food and drink they consume!! I'm guilty myself of not always having enough willpower to make all the changes I want in order to rise up. It can sometimes be a process. But When I see glimpses of light I want to share the experience of truth, Especialy with the people I hold dear. With everything that is "bad", there is an alternative that is "good". So the "preaching" won't stop. Lol. I'll just try harder to keep my inner authoritian at bay. I wish you the best on getting married and going incognito!! :)

  42. Firebrand says:

    This is pure disinformation from the BBC and actually the BBC's NORMALISATION of elitist, secretive, cabals that have huge decision making ability within their nations and globally. Banks control Corporations who both control and work with Governments. Each attendee is a part of that supply chain. The BBC have tried to discredit any kind of FREE THINKING about such a group and come across all partisan, defensive and actually educating us into accepting this group like its no big deal. Dare you THINK then you are a conspiratorial moron.

    Like someone commented earlier – its no longer conspiracy THEORY but conspiracy EVIDENCE and FACT.

    They are here only for a term appointed but they are here as men and women in this world don't stand up to them. Have we have lost all moral and religious convictions (replaced by SECULARISM), balance, been dumbed down by TV/media and the new religious activity is shopping/materialism/celebrity worship to just sit here and take it.

    We are many…but they are FEW…

  43. MARS says:

    We all have power no matter what anyone says. Boycott the shitty brands that give these people so much power and autonomy. Use more natural (nonGMO)foods opposed to buying the nutrient deficient waste they sell in grocery stores. Support local farmers do what you can to aviod contributing to the riches of the elite. We have the power to take back this world and be in unity with each other again, its just to open the eyes of the unaware and disillusioned. Calling others who do not know the ruth sheeple is not enough and that does not make us better than them. Thankfully there are individuals like VC, AlexJones and Mike Adams just to name a few that are concerned with bringing to the light the darkness and corruption of the elite few. I would be forever grateful for the impact this individuals have had in opening my eyes and i could only try to do the same for others.

  44. mike from Queenz ny says:

    kinda crazy how noone mentions William Cooper nowadays, this man completely exposed everything we see not 20 years ago. Its as if people are scared to mention his name. Rest in peace mr Cooper. I will keep your memory alive. Research ppl, dont only rely on the media, ( altetnative). Cooper-Jfk, A sacrificed King. Cooper- Parapsychology.

  45. CCCC says:

    I cant believe how many times that article mentioned the elite meeting, in terms of not just political powers but people are are just filthy rich business owners, and sees nothign strange about this.

  46. Bigmoose says:

    Hello. We're the ones who control your lives. We make the decisions that affect all of you.

    Isn't it interesting to know that those who run your lives would have the nerve to tell you about it in this manner?

    Suffer, you fools. We know everything you do, and we know where you go. What do you think the cameras are for? And the global-positioning satellites? And the Social Security numbers? You belong to us. And it can't be changed.

    Sign your petitions, walk your picket lines, bring your lawsuits, cast your votes, and write those stupid letters to whomever you please; you won't change a thing. Because we control your lives. And we have plans for you. Go back to sleep. – George Carlin

  47. UNITURNZ2000 says:

    What would happen if we totally disregard money, give it no value. The whole world. Every one is at the same level. No material posession would hold any value. The mindset would be that you can find a piece of gravel and a diamond together, look at them both, and not worry about the value. It wouldnt matter. That way of thinking was totally gone. How would the world be? Obviously people wouldnt have to work, but would they? Would people sacrifice their time if there was no reward at the end. Would people still be as motivated?

    Who would be in charge? Who would hold the power if money didnt exist? Would it be every man for himself? grow/hunt your own food. How safe would the world be? Would there still be wars? What would happen?

  48. Fleurdamour says:

    ca·bal (k-bl, -bäl)

    NOUN:

    A conspiratorial group of plotters or intriguers: "Espionage is quite precisely a cabal of powerful men, working secretly" (Frank Conroy).

    A secret scheme or plot.

    A small group of people meeting in secret to manipulate an outcome is by any definition a cabal.

  49. Jonathan Kay is an imbecile. I think I pretty aptly tear him apart in these two articles:
    http://endthelie.com/2011/06/08/talking-about-irrhttp://endthelie.com/2011/05/09/if-you-believe-in

    The latter is about the same guy who was in that BBC radio interview calling Jim Corr an anti-Semite for thinking 9/11 was an inside job.

  50. Trevor Barr says:

    "The theme at Bilderberg is to bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe," Prof Kakabadse says.

    I do not know why these types of statements always amaze me, but they continually do.

    Free market capitalism as Adam Smith envisioned it, has not existed in this country, the West, or the world in general for a very long time.

    The system that does exist is 'Crony Capitalism' or more accurately, 'Corporatism', where the corporations lobby to make laws that favor themselves and eliminate competition. After all, "Competition is a sin."

    The most succinct name for 'Crony Capitalism' or 'Corporatism' is Fascism, where the gov't and corporations have a symbiotic relationship; the politicians do the will of the corporations; and the corporations enrich the politicians and at the same time make sure that the ones who do their bidding continually get reelected.

    Of course, the corporations try to make sure that they have 'the dirt' on these people, so they can more easily control should any ever grow a conscience.

    And who is most represented at the Bilderberg meetings? Heads of Corporations, so I guess that free market Western capitalism has been redefined to mean Fascism.

  51. Ron says:

    Rich people coming together to develop plans on how they can make themselves richer and more powerful? Preposterous!

  52. superninja says:

    The Bible flat-out says that there is a conspiracy, but it's all about how you frame it. Satan controls the world and its system. God has entered into the system to restore man to himself out of love. The conspiracy is actually the Kingdom of God brought to Earth. The reality is the World System, which is based on fear and control. People are deceived if they think they live outside of this system. The king of the Earth is Satan, and the leaders and people of influence worship him. Think about what all these pop artists represent – getting something for yourself, worshipping yourself, fear about what people want to take from you, how people want to label you, how to fight against the world. Everything to keep you trapped in the system. The only way to get free is through Jesus Christ – he's the way out.

    • reborn says:

      and the very first secret society dates all the way back to Nimrod, so evil men have been at this for a very long time! There is also a verse in the Bible which speaks about God gifting men with the ability to amass wealth, which He will then take away to further HIS kingdom. This makes me think of the banks (and the Rothchilds specifically). Honestly, I'm more excited than nervous about the future in regards to the NWO, because I know the battle is already won, and I can't wait to see what God does.

  53. openminded says:

    gonna quote Biggie Smalls " Picture me being scared of a nigga that breaths the same air as me"

    Skulls&Bones, Bilderbergs, Illuminati, Freemasons.

    There just people like you, and theres only 150, and your gonna tell me 7 billion are afraid.

    cmon guys, why not storm the building there meeting is in, theres not enough of them to stop us.

    We are the government, we are the police, we are the secret society that hasnt awaken yet.

    Watch the movie its " A Bugs Life" the whole point if that movie is to say "we outnumber them 100 to 1"

    so really are they that scary, no, there that much scared of us.

  54. Geraldine says:

    What about JFK? Was he a "conspiracy nutter" too?

    "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

    Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match."

    - John F. Kennedy; April 1961

  55. Shortie says:

    <>

    New American Standard Bible

    2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

    http://www.practicalspiritualwarfare.com/signs-of

  56. (required) says:

    Rich and powerful people working with other rich and powerful people to get more power and riches? Yeah that could NEVER, ever happen…

  57. Jodo says:

    I find it hilarious that the writer ACTUALLY used term "gnashing of teeth" in this article, since: THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOON! (not to mention "wailing"). LOL…If I deserve hell I cannot IMAGINE what they are going to get.

  58. Sick Boy says:

    If, as the conspiracy theorists believe, you are the group printing the money, why would you start a war for more money?

    I cannot believe the FIRST sentence of your "endoftheworld" post is this…sorry i need to use my language:

    cagata pazzesca

    I ll let you the pleasure of translating from italian (my God, if this is the level there is no hope)

  59. the watchful says:

    ok ok what i dont get is vigilant citizen has sooo many cool articles:) and is a threat to the elite

    the why dont they take this website down??are they scared??#

    also who knew that the elite have tea parties awww bless(NOT)

  60. phillip says:

    The answer to all of this is simple. but carrying out what must be done may be the single hardest feet all of humanity has faced.

    There is no denying the Bilderberg group if very powerful. and if you truly believe and fear they will dominate and rule the world unjustly then you must revolt against there power.

    Where does the Bilderberg group get its power? The answer is money.

    All this religious talk in these comments is interesting but i wish not to dispute credit and fact or even citations of scriptures. If you want to talk of religion then talk of spirituality.

    The Hindus of India knew thousands of years ago that what people want first in life is what they desire. In the world these desires become known as wealth, fame and power. Then as you grow even older the mature and wise tell us to be happy is to love, to share, to learn, and to just be (to be alive or in existence that is). And i believe that what all people of any kind want ultimately is to be happy.

    Wealth can bring you worldly delights and for a while keep you mostly happy but even the rich want more than they have and even the super rich are not always happy. In the end a man does not add up to what he is worth for even the poorest of men have found happiness. This is because wealth, fame, and power can not be shared. Imagine a nation of equally wealthy people, in negates the words meaning. The same can be said of fame and of power all of which are finite and so can not be shared infinitely. However love and knowledge can be shared infinitely and will bring peace and happiness to all.

    The need for power and control is a vice. It can even be called evil. The need for power comes from insecurity's of the heart. Love can govern us better than power ever will. Money gains its power from desires (mentioned earlier) which also come from the heart.

    Imagine a boycott of money and capitalism? Would this not send Bilderberg and others groups like it to a grinding halt? With out money they are powerless! This may seem odd at first but love could replace the gap a boycott of money would surly create.

    Back to basics:

    Life is simple its necessities are food, water, air, and shelter. Money has allowed world population to soar way out of proportion. But population should be governed by ambient food resources being vegetation and other animals. Massive farming and harvesting of meat from farms is a huge source of pollution and an irresponsible use of mans knowledge and technology. If population was restricted by nature then water would be vastly available. Air is free both today and i a love filled world. The materials for shelter can be gathered and used by man without money. However just like industrial farming skyscrapers and mansions are irresponsible uses of engineering and are supernatural. Anything supernatural puts nature out of balance and is unrighteous.

    So what are we left with. The hardest feet humanity has ever had to face. A return to nature. We are nature and just like every plant, insect, animal, river, rock, and cloud we are made by it. we are part of its circle and we are stressing it to the point of destruction. Which is to say suicide for we are part of it just as much as everything else.

  61. LaCresha says:

    I am thinking that everyone should know something about Bilderger group by now. Just like they should know about the Committee of 300, Council on Foreign Relatuins; all having to do with getting rid of civilization as we know it……