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A Conversation With a Jinn


08-29-2015, 08:19 AM #1
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An Encounter With a Jinn (Genie) In Egypt

"In Arabic, male Jinn are called ‘jinni’ and females ‘jinniya.’ They are earthbound spirits who may fall into the same category as the faeries of European lore as they live in this world (right here) as opposed to the transpersonal forces that reside in the spirit world (over there.)

In the Holy Ku’ran (Koran), the great prophet Mohammed himself reveals that the Jinn are real, that they are formed of holy fire (energy) and that they are normally invisible, but capable of becoming visible at their pleasure. He proclaims that they are moral, but that they can also be mischievous, even troublesome, to those who cannot control them.

This Jinn was encountered in a shrine at the great mortuary temple of Medinat Habu near the Valley of the Kings. After my initial encounter in the temple on Dec. 7, 2009, I returned to the shrine through my shamanic journeywork on Dec. 8 where the Jinn and I then had a most unusual conversation.

Let me say in advance that this dialogue did not occur in English nor in Arabic but rather in the non-verbal communication modality that I conceive of as ‘think-feeling.’ My job, as always, is to translate and reconstruct the entirety of the contact after the fact from blocks of information that I can recall and transcribe into written notes.

As a prelude, allow me to offer that during the second encounter, the jinni manifested itself first as two disembodied eyeballs… and since this didn’t deter me, it then carefully chose to reveal itself as a smoky humanoid form that flickered at the edges, shifting back and forth from one vague shape to another in pastel hues of orange, yellows and greens, with deeper core areas of more brilliant light as its mood shifted in response to our dialogue.

But if its etheric form was somewhat diffuse, its voice was quite distinct, allowing me to share what follows with confidence.

After identifying myself and what my intentions were for being there (in my journeywork), I revealed that I had been there the day before (and the Jinn remembered this,) that I had been in contact with Jinn before in Ethiopia in 1995 and 1996, and in Egypt in 2003.

I mention this because upon learning that I had had contact with the Jinn before, the jinni became most respectful, even helpful.

Knowing that the Jinn can be mischievous, I tricked it into telling me its name, and after that I was the one in control and the Jinn could not lie to me. I say this for those of you among my readers who know the Jinn and how tricky dealing with them can be

Initially the Jinn revealed that it had originally come from a place in the western desert (the name of this place meant nothing to me, nor could I later find it on a map,) and that it had attached itself to an early traveler through that region who had eventually come to Egypt. When I asked ‘when?’ the jinni didn’t seem to understand the question.

When its human ‘host’ had died, the jinni had decided to remain near the river Nile and had taken up residence in different places, most recently in this shrine once the temple had been released from the grip of the desert sands that had covered most of it in the interim. When I asked how long it had been there, once again it didn’t seem to understand the question.

(My note: The Jinn’s confusion about time is in alignment with my understanding that it is only when we are embodied in physical form that we are subject to and immersed within ‘Time.’ When we are in spirit between lives, we are then in the ‘timeless.’ And since Jinn are without physical form, they are in fact in the realm of timeless in which all time is ‘now.’)

Has the conversation that follows been influenced by my own current interests and interpretations? Undoubtably, as I am a scholar and I do a lot of reading, yet the interwoven information that follows is compelling to say the least, even heretical at times. So here it is for your consideration, recorded shortly after it occurred…

THE CONVERSATION (taken from my written notes)

I began by asking the jinni if there was anything it wanted… a good beginning.

In the pregnant silence that followed my question, an image of the carved granite altar in front of the shrine came up in my mind. In response, the Jinn’s field brightened considerably as though a pulse of energy surged through its light… and hesitantly, almost shyly, an answer came…

‘Honey!’

As I digested this request, my impressions of the Jinn that was before me were somewhat like being observed by a cat waiting to be fed. There was that same unwavering, expectant intensity. In response, I used my creative imagination, a function of my egoic mental soul, to create a small bowl of honey as a thoughtform. I held it is my hands for long moments (in the hands of my dream-body, of course, for I was ‘there’ in my shamanic visioning.)

I had the Jinn’s complete attention.

As I slowly extended my dream arms to place the dream bowl of honey on the altar, I said: ‘I will give you this honey if you will tell me your name.’

Any resistance in the Jinn was gone. As it took the honey and drank it gratefully, the jinni’s name appeared in my mind. Then… satisfied, the jinni turned its attention fully toward me. Was there an energetic smile? Perhaps…

J(inn): You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we cannot create.

(There was a long thoughtful pause and then:)

J: Few can perceive us anymore and fewer still can bind us to their will. Now that I have told you my name great one (offered respect to me,) you can ask me to serve you, and I will.

HW: I have been called by other Jinn ‘El Kobbet’—the binder… And what qualities and abilities do you possess that might be of service to me?

(The Jinn flickered thoughtfully, then answered.)

J: I can protect you from enemies and I can inflict curses and misfortune on those who oppose you.

HW: I am constrained in my practice from inflicting harm on anyone for any reason…

(Still, I thought, this genie might come in handy if a real bad guy came along or someone threatened me of my family with harm.)

J: …Or with ill will…

(I had momentarily forgotten that the mental channel was an open one.)

HW: How about healing work?

(The Jinn’s field dimmed in intensity. His answer was startling.)

J: Who can say what is written on another person’s soul? We cannot purposefully influence their destiny without tampering with their agreement.

HW: Agreement with who…?

J: With the higher organizing intelligences...

HW: Are the Jinn below them in the spiritual hierarchy?

J: Oh yes. Some of the younger Jinn occasionally misbehave. The watchers approach them then and encourage them in more appropriate forms of expression.

HW: Who are the watchers?

J: The ones among the higher intelligences responsible for this world. We are not allowed to interfere with humans on their path although there are some who do, as well as those who function as adversaries.

(I thought about some of my recent reading and asked:

HW: Are those the ones that the Gnostikoi called the archons?

(I used the Greek term for the Gnostics.)

J: Oh… so you know about them… (The Jinn’s field brightened reflecting excitement.) The archons are not true spirits. They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental parasites.

HW: How do they do that?

J: They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems. But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody pays attention to them any more. The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

(I thought about this at some length, then asked.)

HW: Are they the ones we call the aliens or extraterrestrials?

(The Jinn didn’t appear to understand the question so I explained. Its response was more than interesting.)

J: The deceivers can take on many forms, drawing from the belief systems of humans… and… there are also visitors who come here from other places.

HW: From other worlds?

J: Yes.

HW: Who are they and why do they come here?

J: They are ‘others’ and they come here as visitors.

HW: Why do they abduct humans and perform experiments on them?

J: They don’t. That is the deceivers who do that.

HW: The deceivers? Why do they do that?

J: Humans are greater than the deceivers. The deceivers that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that power.

HW: Why don’t the watchers, as you call them, inhibit the archons, the deceivers, from interfering with humans?

J: The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers cannot affect them.

(I considered this at some length, then asked some more questions.)

HW: How long will you remain in this shrine?

(Again, the Jinn didn’t appear to understand the question, so I rephrased it.)

J: This is my place.

HW: If I travel in my spirit form, in my dream-body to this place, will I find you here?

J: Yes.

HW: Why do you remain here instead of going someplace else?

J: This is my place.

HW: Some years ago I met a jinniya in the desert to the south of this place. She was of service to me in an interesting way. Do you know her?

J: Yes. All the Jinn know each other.

HW: Can you tell me her name?

J: No.

HW: Can you convey my greetings to her as well as my respect?

J: Yes… but you can do that yourself if you have connection with her.

HW: I have not felt the connection for many years…

J: Time is ‘not’ in the world of spirit. All time is now.

HW: Do the Jinn exist elsewhere in the world, beyond the deserts of Egypt and the Middle east?

J: Yes.

HW: What are they called.

J: I do not know. We are the Jinn… earthbound spirits. We live where we wish.

HW: Where did the Jinn come from?

J: The Jinn are manifestations of great spiritual force that the Gnostikoi called the Sophia. Everything that exists on this world exists as manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Who or what is the Sophia?

J: She is the soul of this world.

HW: Does she have a physical aspect?

J: Yes. This world is her physical aspect.


HW: Where did Sophia come from?

J: She came from the center of…

(The Jinn used a strange term to me. In asking for clarification, I was given to understand that the Sophia came from the core of our galaxy.)

HW: Is the Sophia a goddess?

J: I don’t know. She emerged from the (strange term) as a river of conscious light. She dreams and all that she dreams comes into manifestation. That means that she is an (unrecognizable term).

(I changed tactics.)

HW: Do the Jinn have souls?

J: Yes. Everything that exists has a soul.

HW: Are there greater Jinn and lesser Jinn?

J: Yes.

HW: Are you a greater Jinn?

J: No.

HW: Are you a lesser Jinn?

J: No.

(I didn’t know if the jinni was simply being modest or whether it didn’t understand the question, so I asked this: ‘Who are the lesser Jinn?’)

J: They are units of ensouled energy that are growing in their awareness.

HW: Where do they originate?

J: From the Sophia. She emanates and they are products of her dreaming.

HW: Are they orbs?

(The Jinn didn’t understand ‘orbs’ so I elaborated about those spheres of light picked up by the flash of digital cameras. I also disclosed how our photographs taken in the great Egyptian temples at night often revealed masses of orbs while photos taken away from the sites revealed few or none. This was the Jinn’s response.)

J: These ‘orbs’ are units of ensouled light in the process of growing and becoming more. They approach you because they are curious about you… they are drawn toward human thoughts and emotions.

HW: Are they Jinn?

J: They are Jinn in becoming.

HW: Are the Jinn responsible for the crop circles?

(Again, it didn’t understand the question. When I explained, it still didn’t know… but it did offer and opinion.)

J: Perhaps these signs are created by the higher organizing intelligences.

HW: Why would they do that?

J: To get your attention.

HW: Why would they want to do that?

J: I do not know. Maybe to reveal their presence and their awareness of you and your deeds… or misdeeds.

(We seemed to be coming to the end of our conversation, so I asked a few more questions.)

HW: Were humans created by God?

J: No. Humans are manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Creations of the Sophia?

J: No. The Sophia does not create. She emanates and she does so through her dreaming. Humans create.

HW: So are human souls emanations of Sophia’s dreaming?

J: No. Your souls are sourced by the Originator. It is your body that is human with its raw powerful emotions. Your soul is simply a soul. It is spirit in nature and it is not human.

HW: Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic father god (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) the Originator?

J: No.

HW: Is it the creator?

J: No.

HW: Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

J: He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.


(I thought about this for several moments, then…)

HW: Who and what is the lord archon?

J: He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as humanity’s adversary and who has been operating against humans from his beginnings.

(I digested this for more long moments. From my readings I would learn that this insight is in alignment with information recorded by the Gnostics in the Nag Hammadi Library found in the desert near Dendara in Egypt—scrolls that date from the 4th Century.)

HW: You mean that he is not the creator as so many humans believe and claim?

J: Yes. The arch deceiver cannot create anything although he claims that he can. He is an archon. He can only mimic.

HW: Why is he so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

J: They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has deceived—from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the Originator. But he is not.

HW: So he is not the Originator?

J: That is correct. He is the lord archon.

HW: Are the archons—the deceivers—evil?

J: No.

HW: Do they operate in the negative polarity? (This took some explaining.)

J: Yes. They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

HW: Why do they do this?

J: That is their nature. They are deceivers.

HW: And what then is the source of evil?

J: Humans. The archons influence humans to err in their behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature. They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They are still being influenced by the deceivers.

HW: So evil did not exist until humans created it?

J: That is correct.


HW: And is the Lord Archon is evil?

J: No. He is the arch deceiver who has operated against humanity as the adversary since his beginning.

HW: Is this why so many religious wars have been fought in the name of religion? Is this why millions of women were killed by the Church in the Middle Ages during the Great Witch Hunts?

J: Yes. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is the lord archon. It was his influence that manifested itself in humans with twisted minds to manifest great acts of evil. He is still doing that.


HW: You mean that he still has the power to do that again?

J: The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative polarity because that is his nature.

HW: So the choice is ultimately ours?

J: That is correct. Humans can create evil or they can create its opposite.

HW: Is that how we deal with the problem of evil?

J: I do not know. That is your responsibility as humans. In my opinion, humans created evil now they must un-create it.

HW: How do we do that?

J: By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.


HW: Did we create the gods?

J: That is correct.

HW: Who or what is the Originator?

J: No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.


HW: Where is the Originator?

J: Everywhere.

HW: So it is the creator?

J: No. The Originator emanates. It does not purposefully create. Humans do that.

HW: Can we interact with the Originator? Does it listen to our prayers?

J: No. It simply exists. It emanates for that is its nature.


HW: So the Originator is not a God?

J: No. It is the Originator.

(I asked a few last questions.)

HW: Is there a personal god who listens to our prayers, works in mysterious ways, and so forth and so on…?

J: Yes. That personal god is your own soul… the immortal part of your self who does not die. You humans have created it on your long journey across eternity. Unlike the archons, your individual soul aspect is a true spirit and resides always in the spirit world. It is part of the dreaming and as such, it dreams… always.


HW: And whose dream does it dream?

J: Its own.

HW: So when we pray to god almighty, we are actually praying to ourself?

J: That is correct. You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.


HW: Do the Jinn have god-selves?

J: We are god-selves. We are spirits. And we have free will.

It was at this point that this extraordinary conversation came to a close. "

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/enco...enie-egypt

"We check and repress the divinity that stirs within us, to fall down and worship the divinity that is dead without us."
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08-29-2015, 08:40 AM #2
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do you believe this Hex and if so why did you post it and if not then why did you post it?

08-29-2015, 08:47 AM #3
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(08-29-2015, 08:40 AM)meltbanana Wrote:  do you believe this Hex and if so why did you post it and if not then why did you post it?
Most of it is sound, yes (in particular the idea of thought forms and the nature of the Self). There is a distinct colouring in their statements with the Gnostic train of thought here though. Not surprising, given this particular entity is based in that region, but that shouldn't detract from the essence of the message. Not sure what you mean by why I posted it.

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08-29-2015, 09:01 AM #4
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I see Hex thank you for your quick reply. my 'why' was because I wondered if you were some sort of evangelizer hehe. okay so let me please ask another question - how do you know or how can you be sure that whatever jinn/alien/angel/demon/spirit/purple elephant aren't lying?
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(08-29-2015, 09:01 AM)meltbanana Wrote:  I see Hex thank you for your quick reply. my 'why' was because I wondered if you were some sort of evangelizer hehe.
Hah, no worries, and not sure what you got that impression from. I simply attempt to provide an alternate perspective in light of the somewhat dominant religious narrative present on the boards. Variety is always good, but I don't have any particular personal agenda or investment in what another individual believes.

Quote:okay so let me please ask another question - how do you know or how can you be sure that whatever jinn/alien/angel/demon/spirit/purple elephant aren't lying?
I don't. I take those perspectives which make most sense in light of my experience and current beliefs, and that is constructive when applied in my life. The only marker I use is whether said thing is based in Love and empowers the individual, or is based in Fear and limits the person.

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thank you again. but Hex when I see your awesome writing style and all and now that I know that you are in your 20s I see a young guy who is far from being stupid. hence I cannot understand why you would base your belief systen on hopeful assumptions instead of continually searching for truth until you actually know (for example whether those entities are lying or not). recently I have read a pretty awesome post of yours in which you were adressing the necessity of one having to know oneself so to say and it was as if you had documented several moments of my life in which I was home alone and on pretty good acid (which changed my life eventually). I can tell you I pretty much got to know myself by looking into the mirror of truth as how I call it and believe me what I got to know was not very nice to say at least. but subsequently I did not stop until I knew the whole rest of the story. a puzzle will never show the full picture prior to its full assembly.
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Your alternative perspective is to say demons aren't evil spirits and should be trusted to interpret ideas except when they contradict with your perspective, i.e. when they admit they're evil spirits. But hey this is a conspiracy forum, you have the creme de la creme of warped minds to evangelize to.
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(08-29-2015, 09:18 AM)meltbanana Wrote:  thank you again. but Hex when I see your awesome writing style and all and now that I know that you are in your 20s I see a young guy who is far from being stupid. hence I cannot understand why you would base your belief systen on hopeful assumptions instead of continually searching for truth until you actually know (for example whether those entities are lying or not).
Thank you. I would say you not understanding my perspective is simply because you have a different perspective, which I'm sure you know. I am always searching; I know I'm not done, far from it, and am always integrating new perspectives and discarding old ones. One who is wise knows he is a fool.

I can't empirically know whether said entities are 'lying', which is why I go straight to the source within, as opposed to seeking outward. My 'beliefs' were conclusions I came to on my own, and understand I found on an individual level, before finding validation in terms of correlating perspectives. Application of said values have resulted in pretty awesome transformations in my life, so I know it is true for me at this time. If you find Christianity to be good for you than so be it; I was a Muslim once upon a time, but after a period those beliefs did not serve me and I moved on.

You can do what many do, and determine based on parameters in a book as to what constitutes as a lie, which is simply if it contradicts or not, but that doesn't mean it is false.

Quote:. but subsequently I did not stop until I knew the whole rest of the story.
Absolutely, but I will never know the rest of the story in this lifetime, which is where I think you're not seeing the entire picture. Seeking 'truth' is an ever continual process; you can never know the rest of the story. There will always be 'more', and there will always be that which tests you, however it is through those experiences do you grow. Life is an ever expanding process, and it would be pretty boring for me if I found 'the' truth and it all stopped.

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Axiom I see where you are coming from but please do not forget e.g. Eph 4:15.
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(08-29-2015, 09:35 AM)Hex Wrote:  and it would be pretty boring for me if I found 'the' truth and it all stopped.

I once assumed the exact same Hex. but you can believe me when I say no it is very cool and you will be made free. well thank you again and best of luck on your journey. and I might get back to you in the future.   -_^
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