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07-31-2015, 01:44 PM #1
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Wasn't sure where to put this exactly so just gonna put it in The Lounge here. I've been thinking about this off and on for a few weeks now and wanted to know what others thought. It's not a realistic thing but it kind of makes sense to me.

Why must the United States be so large? Like I get that we were individual states under British rule and we united together to revolt against their tyranny and then stuck together and expanded from there. But at this point aren't we too large for one single federal governing body to look after? Wouldn't it make more sense if the United States peacefully broke itself up into like 6-8 generous chunks of territory and became independent nations with their own individual president and government? Maybe there are problems with this idea that are incredibly profound and I'm just not thinking of them. I'm not well versed in diplomacy, government, or anything like that so these are just my random thoughts. It just seems to me we are too big for the government to actually work in favor of everyone within the country and that will never change.

My guess is that the biggest thing that would always prevent this is funds and debts. I mean it's easy to say you just split those evenly amongst the new nations but I'm sure it's not that simple. It's just crazy to me that you can fit like over half of all the other nations into our one nation and we are expected to run as effectively as any of them. That's insane.

You don't have to be from America to have an opinion on this by the way. People from smaller nations like Britain or Sweden or Spain would probably have great insight on whether splitting into a collective of smaller independent nations would be better or not in their opinion.

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07-31-2015, 01:51 PM #2
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I'm actually curious as to seeing the responses.

Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi wasalam) said:

"My similitude and that of the life of this world is that of a traveler who took a rest at mid-day under a shade of a tree and then left it."       (Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim)

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07-31-2015, 01:51 PM #3
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(07-31-2015, 01:44 PM)Loki Wrote:  Wasn't sure where to put this exactly so just gonna put it in The Lounge here. I've been thinking about this off and on for a few weeks now and wanted to know what others thought. It's not a realistic thing but it kind of makes sense to me.

Why must the United States be so large? Like I get that we were individual states under British rule and we united together to revolt against their tyranny and then stuck together and expanded from there. But at this point aren't we too large for one single federal governing body to look after? Wouldn't it make more sense if the United States peacefully broke itself up into like 6-8 generous chunks of territory and became independent nations with their own individual president and government? Maybe there are problems with this idea that are incredibly profound and I'm just not thinking of them. I'm not well versed in diplomacy, government, or anything like that so these are just my random thoughts. It just seems to me we are too big for the government to actually work in favor of everyone within the country and that will never change.

My guess is that the biggest thing that would always prevent this is funds and debts. I mean it's easy to say you just split those evenly amongst the new nations but I'm sure it's not that simple. It's just crazy to me that you can fit like over half of all the other nations into our one nation and we are expected to run as effectively as any of them. That's insane.

You don't have to be from America to have an opinion on this by the way. People from smaller nations like Britain or Sweden or Spain would probably have great insight on whether splitting into a collective of smaller independent nations would be better or not in their opinion.

You obviously understand why European Nations have been trying to form one entity for the last 40 years

07-31-2015, 02:12 PM #4
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(07-31-2015, 01:51 PM)Greenbob Wrote:  You obviously understand why European Nations have been trying to form one entity for the last 40 years

And look how well that turned out for them.

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07-31-2015, 02:25 PM #5
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How do you come to that conclusion, they did it to gain financial advantage for their manufacturing businesses, especially as the US was hard to break into.

That part has been successful for them

07-31-2015, 03:56 PM #6
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Isn't all the consolidation of smaller countries into larger collectives just part of the new world order agenda?

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07-31-2015, 03:57 PM #7
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(07-31-2015, 02:25 PM)Greenbob Wrote:  How do you come to that conclusion, they did it to gain financial advantage for their manufacturing businesses, especially as the US was hard to break into.

That part has been successful for them

Yeah, but I would rather be without that if it meant the joke of corruption that is EU never saw the light of day.

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07-31-2015, 04:12 PM #8
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(07-31-2015, 02:25 PM)Greenbob Wrote:  How do you come to that conclusion, they did it to gain financial advantage for their manufacturing businesses, especially as the US was hard to break into.

That part has been successful for them

The Greeks and many other European nations would completely disagree with you.

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07-31-2015, 04:15 PM #9
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(07-31-2015, 03:56 PM)Spazarus Wrote:  Isn't all the consolidation of smaller countries into larger collectives just part of the new world order agenda?

Of course! 

With EU, the power over a whole bunch of nations is placed in Brussels. 

And, as some people have mentioned here on VC, the Greek crisis will be used against the people of Europe to justify their budget cuts and bizarre laws.

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07-31-2015, 04:16 PM #10
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My apologies, Loki. You're probably looking for serious replies, but I couldn't resist.