(07-26-2015, 03:38 PM)Smooch Wrote: I am not familiar with Enneagram but because I once worked for a company in Dallas who facilitated "personality tests" for high end companies and clients, I've seen just about every type of test go across my test. Heck, I was even tested just to be their Secretary. I got the job because of my minor in Psychology (never finished) and a run through Myers-Briggs. I found the entire thing Elitist because it was used to weed out inferior apples.
However, as to the actual concept itself, I find such things fascinating for one core reason and I found your Enneagram follows that concept as well; we are who we are in utero. At least, if I read it correctly, I believe that is what I divulged. It has always been my belief that, in order for our world to work in any way, people must be made up of different psychological parts. We all can't be legs of the table, what would we be holding up? Not everyone can have a leadership personality type. Who would we lead?
Though environment has affected me much in life, at my core, I am not much different than when I was five years old. And if I take those tests truthfully (and not with idealistic wishfull thinking) I am still that five year old who sadistically cut lil Susie's hair.
BTW. I took the Quest and the Rheti Sampler and came out a 5w6. For shits & giggles I tried it out on a couple of friends and their tests came out neutral across all types. I got a lil peeved and said I should take the test for them because I obviously know them better than they know themselves.
You're completely correct in your assessment. Our personalities are there for life and cannot be changed. We can move up and down along a spectrum from psychologically healthy to unhealthy, but our core or essence is never changed. We can have more or fewer layers of bullshit that cover up our essence, but the essence is unchanged even by the most intense trauma. We are, as you said, essentially the same as when we were 5 years old. This can be a difficult concept for some people to grasp because any given personality at the pinnacle of health may have little resemblance to the same personality type at its most unhealthy. For instance, since you said you are probably a type 5, a healthy 5 is often highly perceptive, insightful, and brilliant, while an unhealthy 5 may be paranoid, eccentric, isolated, and antagonistic. Their insightfulness has deteriorated into bizarre theories that may have little grounding in reality. Yet both are still type 5 at their core. In the nature vs. nurture debate, nature dictates the personality type and nurture dictates baseline level of psychological health in adulthood.
And yes, it takes all types, so to speak. Different cultures may value certain personalities over others, but in reality they are all equally valuable and each bring a different and important aspect of humanity to the table.
Even though I don't know you I think you're correct that you're a 5, based on what you've written here. I'm very interested to see what mix of types the Vigilant crowd consists of. I suspect there are a lot of 4's and 5's, because those are the types most comfortable investigating disturbing subject matter. They may even be drawn to it.
(07-26-2015, 09:34 PM)Vytas Wrote: I have socionics for that I checked that typology some years ago but don't really liked it. Looked like more confusing and less complete version of socionics to me. First impression anyways, I might check it more carefully ,im curious now because symbolism is mentioned
(07-26-2015, 09:56 PM)umphreak Wrote: I'm very interested to see what mix of types the Vigilant crowd consists of.
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I had never heard of socionics before. I just took the test and found it very interesting. I came up as an EII, which did seem pretty damn accurate in its description, although I felt that something was lacking. Oddly enough, your description of your first impression of the Enneagram perfectly describes my first impression of socionics - it seems more confusing and less complete to me. However, that could be because I'm just not familiar enough with it and its organization.