(07-28-2015, 01:46 AM)Briandao Wrote:
(07-28-2015, 01:36 AM)anne Wrote:
(07-28-2015, 01:31 AM)Briandao Wrote:
(07-28-2015, 01:26 AM)anne Wrote:
(07-28-2015, 01:24 AM)justjess Wrote: Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god, not morals. Please stop equating the too it's intellectually dishonest.
Also I'm not an atheist
Did you take the time to read my post? I said that an atheist can be moral but he has no actual logical reason for doing so.
Well, I guess having a great amount of empathy, see everyones equal value and genuinely caring about others happiness aren't reasons enough?
while atheists can behave morally, belief is necessary for an individual "to give a rational and coherent account" of why they are obligated to lead a morally responsible life.atheism is unable to "give an account of why one deed should be seen as good and another as evil"
Well, making people suffer for own personal gain is evil since you sacrifice the happiness of another human being for you to get something out of it.
Cheating on your significant other is immoral since you hurt the feelings of that person for taking a dump on their trust and the whole relationship.
You are missing my point.Why the hell is it evil or immoral?I am not saying atheist cannot be moral,I am saying that they do not have any reason to do so.Logically(and please don't bring conscience into this),why should an atheist give a fuck?
Every expression of atheism necessitates at least three additional affirmations:
1. The universe is purely material. It is strictly natural, and there is no such thing as the supernatural (e.g., gods or spiritual forces).
2. The universe is scientific. It is observable, knowable and governed strictly by the laws of physics.
3. The universe is impersonal. It does not a have consciousness or a will, nor is it guided by a consciousness or a will.
Denial of any one of those three affirmations will strike a mortal blow to atheism. Anything and everything that happens in such a universe is meaningless. A tree falls. A young girl is rescued from sexual slavery. A dog barks. A man is killed for not espousing the national religion. These are all actions that can be known and explained but never given any meaning or value.
A good atheist -- that is, a consistent atheist -- recognizes this dilemma. His only reasonable conclusion is to reject objective meaning and morality. Thus, calling him "good" in the moral sense is nonsensical. There is no morally good atheist, because there really is no objective morality. At best, morality is the mass delusion shared by humanity, protecting us from the cold sting of despair.