(07-15-2015, 01:37 AM)Thunderian Wrote: I'm curious what others think. Once saved, can you lose your salvation, or do you have eternal security?
No, because life "security" would be based on absolute obedience to God Almighty. Obviously in Satan's case, and that of humans, the very issue of disobedience to God is the crux of insecurity.
So as long as obedience to God's commandments is a freewill choice, the "security" will be maintained or lost. A divine atonement would not eternally be a cover for disobedience, which at present it does cover in unwillful cases.
So "security" is a matter of choice. The issue of obedience to government for example, are why laws are enacted, and the human condition is such that laws are enacted, because the human tendency is the law of the jungle.
But often the crux of disobedience to God, is in obedience to governments, when it comes time for them to have others killed to protect, or expand their basis of wealth, such as in war. They sell it to the masses as duty, and patriotism, etc, but to the politicians, it is all about bank.
Thus the religious "do whatever the hell you want" "truth" "once saved always saved" "we alone are holy and exceptional" myths, aids the obedience to state, and Satan then gets two birds, with one stone.
So when you have whole religions immersed in disobedience to God, for the profit of state, who can trust anything they tell their coreligionists? Thus the "harlot" "pimp" pattern emerges as to what it is when we look at religious mythologies to free up people from their conscience, for the service of globalist profiteering.
It is all one big Satanic perfect spiritual Ponzi Scheme, cloaked in the perfect "sheepskins", whose goal is disobedience to God, by obedience to various "divine" decoys—aided by belief in key covering myths.
In the end murderous religions all end up in Satan's house, regardless of the veneer of the label, they all obey murder, justified as the "will of God", and so on. It becomes the one thing, they all agree on as institutions. (I am not accusing individuals, who often must disobey religions and governments to obey God, as some do rebel from the overall lie. But it is a personal choice. The religious institution "harlot" tows the party line of obedience to state, in which system the "God" decoy, is Satan who is obeyed.)