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11-25-2016, 04:19 AM #1
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By Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor

When Pastor Don Grahn invited me to pre-record a  Truth vs. NEW$ interview, I had no idea what was coming.

I assumed it would be about Middle East politics, Islamic studies, or false flags, my three main areas of expertise. I even hoped to talk about my new edited book Orlando False Flag.

Instead, the guest host, Activist Angel, began excitedly haranguing me about the so-called “pizza-gate” scandal: Allegations that Wiki-leaked John Podesta emails exposed a p***phile pizzeria. WHY WASN’T VETERANS TODAY COVERING THIS MOMENTOUS STORY? the host kept yelling.

The problem: I had scanned the pizza-gate allegations and they didn’t strike me as credible. So I hadn’t bothered to study them, or even read them carefully. I had no idea the subject was on the agenda.

After recording the above interview, I took Activist Angel’s advice and looked at the DC Pizzagate website. I discovered that he had been right about one thing: It’s disgusting. But is this really evidence of a p***phile ring? Or is it a disgusting witch hunt slandering people some of whom may have sick and twisted taste in art and photography, or social media friends who have such tastes,  but who are not by any means child traffickers?

If the latter is the case, a lot of innocent people are having their good names sullied by a bunch of reckless idiots.

It looks to me like anonymous internet sleuths/witch-hunters have been going through the social media accounts of everybody connected to Comet Pizzeria and misconstruing playful pictures of people’s kids. Some of those pictures are in very bad taste. Others, like Tamera Luzzato’s picture of her grandchildren, seem completely innocent. None are convincing evidence of child trafficking.

The DC-Pizzagate website (and its legion of over-excited followers) seem to be trying  too hard to connect the dots. They are too affected by the emotional impact of child trafficking (which really does happen, and is indeed horrifying) to think clearly. They imagine that because John Podesta owns a statue that looks a bit like a drawing by serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer then Podesta must kill and eat people like Dahmer did. They imagine that generically sick-and-twisted punk rock posters advertising punk rock events are something much more sinister. They imagine that “ping pong tables in the basement” of a public restaurant with a ping pong table theme must be code for abusing children.

Is somebody ODing on brown acid?

And if “pizza” is code for “child trafficking” then pretty much everybody must be a child trafficker, since pretty much everybody eats pizza.

During our interview, Activist Angel kept referencing real child trafficking scandals as if they were related to, and proof of, DC Pizzagate. He tried to wield the very real Franklin scandal, among others, as proof that DC Pizzagate must be exactly what its advocates claim. It struck me as a classic case of fallacious, muddled thinking.

I studied urban legends, among other genres, as part of my Ph.D. minor in Folklore. This Pizzagate material has the feel of an urban legend…sort of like the “Wal-Marts are being re-tooled as detention camps” meme from the Jade Helm era.

Both the “Wal-Mart = concentration camp” and “pizzeria = child trafficking” memes take a comfortingly familiar institutional public gathering place – the leading big box mega-store on the one hand, the friendly neighborhood pizza joint on the other – and re-imagine it as something hideously sinister. Folklorist Patricia Turner studied similar rumors in the African-American community that Church’s Fried Chicken was a plot to sterilize black people.

In all three instances, the public fears expressed in the legends are well-grounded. Child trafficking really exists, and elite p***phile networks really do have tremendous power, as exposed in Nick Bryant’s The Franklin Scandal, John DeCamp’s The Franklin Cover-up, and the film Conspiracy of Silence.

Jade Helm, too, was a panic based on legitimate fears. Plans for mass internment and martial law undoubtedly do exist, and the police state is completely out of control.

As for African-Americans and Church’s Fried Chicken, Rockefeller-funded eugenics efforts really have targeted black people in sinister ways. And don’t get me started about the Tuskegee syphilis studies.

Assuming all three of these cases – DC Pizzagate, Jade Helm, and Church’s Fried Chicken Sterilization – are urban legends, should we interpret them as purely spontaneous public panics? Or might these and/or other “false and harmful conspiracy theories” actually be conspiracies to spread bad conspiracy theories?

We are seeing major pushback against “fake news.” The government, big media, and internet giants like Facebook and Google are being pressured to put a lid on alternative media. Bogus “conspiracy theories” that harm innocent people are a perfect excuse to ban all “conspiracy theories” including the true ones. Next thing you know, “WTC-7 a Controlled Demolition” will be scrubbed from the internet as “fake news.”

This is exactly what Cass Sunstein meant when he argued that the government should “disable the purveyors of (9/11) conspiracy theories” by “cognitively infiltrating” conspiracy groups and spreading “beneficial cognitive diversity.” Panic and confusion spread by urban legends like Jade Helm and DC Pizzagate “disable” the “purveyors of conspiracy theories” (the alternative media) not only by promoting irrationality, but also by preparing the way for a crackdown on “fake news.”

Then there is the partisan political dirty tricks angle. Somebody seeded the Jade Helm panic. Why? Could it have been a right-wing anti-Obama political move? “Get very, very angry, conservative white people! That evil black President is coming to take your guns and – get this – lock you up in Wal-Mart!”

Might this pizza-gate thing also be a synthetically manufactured urban legend, another anti-Democrat dirty trick from the usual suspects? A key figure in pizza-gate — and a rather tenuous connection between Comet Pizza and the Clinton campaign – is David Brock, a former Republican dirty trickster turned whistleblower. Is Brock being punished for blowing the whistle on the likes of Karl Rove? Are his old colleagues pulling a fast one on him?

I don’t pretend to have all the answers. But I am 90%+ sure that innocent people, including innocent kids, are being dragged through the mud by the Pizzagate lynch mob. Grabbing pictures of people’s kids from social media and misconstruing them in this incredibly hurtful way could whip up public support for a crackdown on alternative media. And if alternative media are banned, we will be left with nothing to counter the boring, predictable, propagandizing fake news of the mainstream.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/11/23/aa-dc/

11-25-2016, 06:04 AM #2
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I read that one is not supposed to simply cite and/or link to other sources when posting here. Also, I'm very interested in what you personally think of the validity of Pizzagate, MainStreet - you asked me the same.

If Pizzagate is a hoax - which I find incredibly difficult to believe, but I haven't personally researched it - we have a major problem. We need to make absolutely certain we stick to facts when dealing with these subjects for obvious reasons.

What exactly was the situation on Reddit? How many different posters were involved in presenting these supposed discoveries? Is the narrative that Pizzagate is a hoax even at all possibly true? James Alefantis' ( J'aime les enfants) Twitter account where these sickening images were posted to was reportedly closed after this scandal was revealed, is this true?

EDIT: Also, the notion of 'banning' fake news is ridiculous. If people fall for that scam and accept having their basic right revoked and being gagged, they almost deserve the NWO that's approaching. I can't believe more people aren't up in arms about the outrageous talks of Facebook banning 'fake news'. Look at what's happening, ffs!
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11-25-2016, 06:13 AM #3
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Are all the emails in Wikileaks fake?

Come off it. 

This is US Govt agents trying to smear the work done by clever people on the web tearing the establishment to pieces. 

The extreme amount of establishment paranoia in Britain when thousands of everyday Brits launched into an all out online exposure and investigation of rampant child abuse in the British establishment brought to the fore by Jimmy Saville was immense. 

For 3 months it was a mood of anarchy in the U.K. and the establishment we're in complete fear.

This is PM David Cameron being ambushed on national TV by Philip Schofield with a list of disclosed pedophiles from the British establishment which had been exposed completely through the online work of a massive global community which brought incredible anger in the community that even tv hosts turned on the political leader puppet basically with a "we all know this is true. It is disgusting. And what are you doing about it you pathetic piece of s***?"





The MSM were infiltrating Internet forums to find out info as they were the ones doing the digging and exposure and the MSM was shit scared as was the establishment. 

This seems exactly the same 

Edit:

Here's the link to the entire cache of podesta emails. They run into the tens of thousands. 

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/podesta-emails/

For pizzagate to be fake these have to be fake 

The hypothesis is debunked then and there
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11-25-2016, 02:41 PM #4
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(11-25-2016, 06:04 AM)SkepticCat Wrote:  I read that one is not supposed to simply cite and/or link to other sources when posting here. Also, I'm very interested in what you personally think of the validity of Pizzagate, MainStreet - you asked me the same.

If Pizzagate is a hoax - which I find incredibly difficult to believe, but I haven't personally researched it - we have a major problem. We need to make absolutely certain we stick to facts when dealing with these subjects for obvious reasons.

What exactly was the situation on Reddit? How many different posters were involved in presenting these supposed discoveries? Is the narrative that Pizzagate is a hoax even at all possibly true? James Alefantis' ( J'aime les enfants) Twitter account where these sickening images were posted to was reportedly closed after this scandal was revealed, is this true?

EDIT: Also, the notion of 'banning' fake news is ridiculous. If people fall for that scam and accept having their basic right revoked and being gagged, they almost deserve the NWO that's approaching. I can't believe more people aren't up in arms about the outrageous talks of Facebook banning 'fake news'. Look at what's happening, ffs!

I am not dismissing anything but only pointing out major flaws with the Pizzagate thesis.

1. The handkerchief code has been fabricated to make Podesta's email look worse than it is
2. Andrew Kline of the DOJ is not the same Andrew Kline representing Besta Pizza
3. The child abuse artwork penned by child sex abuse survivor Kim Noble is NOT tied to Pizzagate at all, yet her artwork is prominent in the Pizzagate thesis

There is more, but this is a start to some healthy skepticism.

11-25-2016, 03:41 PM #5
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I used to love veterans today for all the anti-Israel articles they published.  

Until i come across a video with Gordon Duff (VT editor) admitting to his outlet publishing 40% lies.




I think he made this admission because his life was put on the line (this is the cabal, the khazarian mafia after all).  
But obviously the admission is very damaging.  

I don't hold them in the same esteem as i used to.



I also know Kevin Barret.  I think he is honest on most fronts, which makes me take a 2nd look at his claims here.


A few stick out to me.  

(11-25-2016, 04:19 AM)MainStreetFatCat Wrote:  But is this really evidence of a p***phile ring? Or is it a disgusting witch hunt slandering people some of whom may have sick and twisted taste in art and photography, or social media friends who have such tastes,  but who are not by any means child traffickers?

There is several pieces of questionable articles that point to a pedo ring.  Such as Obama and Hillary both having fund raisers on this site.  There are more images from jimmycomets instagram that tie these 2 public figures to him.  Not to mention the Haiti / missing kids situation involving Clinton.



Quote:It looks to me like anonymous internet sleuths/witch-hunters have been going through the social media accounts of everybody connected to Comet Pizzeria and misconstruing playful pictures of people’s kids.

Hmm, red flag.  Jimmycomet has actual nudes on his instagram.  The one with the small woman being penetrated could have very well been CP.

I don't find anything playful about duck taping a 2 year old to a table, having a man suggestively behind her and commenting about seating.   I could mention more here, for times sake i wont.  But that comment is a red flag.


Archive machines show plenty but..  If Jimmy had nothing to hide, he never would have made his account private.



Quote:They imagine that because John Podesta owns a statue that looks a bit like a drawing by serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer then Podesta must kill and eat people like Dahmer did.

I would say a replica.  Not looks "a bit like".  

There is something wrong with John's taste in art,, not just the statue.   The pictures on his wall of apparently dead children are troubling.

Not to mention uncontrollable jerks are a symptom of cannibalism.  I made a post on this in the other thread highlighting Hillary.  Also the spirit cooking woman with all the human fashioned cakes at her various functions is just more of the puzzle.



Quote:They imagine that generically sick-and-twisted punk rock posters advertising punk rock events are something much more sinister. They imagine that “ping pong tables in the basement” of a public restaurant with a ping pong table theme must be code for abusing children.

He might want to watch some of these concerts on youtube.  There are a few.  While they advertise "all ages" on their posters their acts are anything but.


Quote:Is somebody ODing on brown acid?

And he goes into ad-hominem.  Discrediting people who question.  

There is likely more in the rest of this post / article.  But I'm not gonna bother for times sake. Its clear Kevin is not an unbiased voice here.

The evidence definitely suggests more. While Mr Barret works hard to discredit it, without even examining it.

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11-25-2016, 03:48 PM #6
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(11-25-2016, 02:41 PM)MainStreetFatCat Wrote:  2. Andrew Kline of the DOJ is not the same Andrew Kline representing Besta Pizza

This is interesting.  Source or anymore info?


Quote:3. The child abuse artwork penned by child sex abuse survivor Kim Noble is NOT tied to Pizzagate at all, yet her artwork is prominent in the Pizzagate thesis

I thought that artwork was hanging up in comet ping pong? Maybe it was in the instagram (idr).

So your saying it wasn't present at all?  I am interested in a source or more info on this as well.




I do think pizzagate is real.  But we live in a world where 75% of the voices out there are blatant disinfo and finding truth is usually finding the proverbial needle in a haystack.

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11-25-2016, 03:53 PM #7
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Alex, you forgot to address the best part of the article:

Quote:I studied urban legends, among other genres, as part of my Ph.D. minor in Folklore. This Pizzagate material has the feel of an urban legend…sort of like the “Wal-Marts are being re-tooled as detention camps” meme from the Jade Helm era.

Both the “Wal-Mart = concentration camp” and “pizzeria = child trafficking” memes take a comfortingly familiar institutional public gathering place – the leading big box mega-store on the one hand, the friendly neighborhood pizza joint on the other – and re-imagine it as something hideously sinister. Folklorist Patricia Turner studied similar rumors in the African-American community that Church’s Fried Chicken was a plot to sterilize black people.

In all three instances, the public fears expressed in the legends are well-grounded. Child trafficking really exists, and elite p***phile networks really do have tremendous power, as exposed in Nick Bryant’s The Franklin Scandal, John DeCamp’s The Franklin Cover-up, and the film Conspiracy of Silence.

Jade Helm, too, was a panic based on legitimate fears. Plans for mass internment and martial law undoubtedly do exist, and the police state is completely out of control.

As for African-Americans and Church’s Fried Chicken, Rockefeller-funded eugenics efforts really have targeted black people in sinister ways. And don’t get me started about the Tuskegee syphilis studies.

Assuming all three of these cases – DC Pizzagate, Jade Helm, and Church’s Fried Chicken Sterilization – are urban legends, should we interpret them as purely spontaneous public panics? Or might these and/or other “false and harmful conspiracy theories” actually be conspiracies to spread bad conspiracy theories?

11-25-2016, 04:02 PM #8
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"Chicken Lover" is sometimes a euphemism for a pederast.


"Chicken Hawk" is the more common euphemism for a pederast.

Jimmy Comet said the former.

However, Comet runs a restaurant. It takes a stretch of the imagination to assume he is speaking of anything other than literal food..
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11-25-2016, 04:12 PM #9
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(11-25-2016, 03:48 PM)Alex Wrote:  
(11-25-2016, 02:41 PM)MainStreetFatCat Wrote:  3. The child abuse artwork penned by child sex abuse survivor Kim Noble is NOT tied to Pizzagate at all, yet her artwork is prominent in the Pizzagate thesis

I thought that artwork was hanging up in comet ping pong? Maybe it was in the instagram (idr).

So your saying it wasn't present at all?  I am interested in a source or more info on this as well.

One source is our very own Vigilant Citizen, in a 2011 article: http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantrepor...-personas/

The art was created by a woman who herself was ritually sexually abused. With that, it makes sense why her art is so disturbing. She is telling her story.

11-25-2016, 04:18 PM #10
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(11-25-2016, 03:48 PM)Alex Wrote:  
(11-25-2016, 02:41 PM)MainStreetFatCat Wrote:  2. Andrew Kline of the DOJ is not the same Andrew Kline representing Besta Pizza

This is interesting.  Source or anymore info?


This is Andrew Kline of the DOJ -
https://twitter.com/kliner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkline1

This is the Andrew Kline who represented the owners of Besta Pizza -
http://theveritaslawfirm.com/meet-the-te...w-j-kline/

They’re not the same person.