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The Return to Oz film


06-29-2015, 10:24 AM #1
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I can't believe this is real. It's so evil. 

First i read it, and i thought, ok, but what if this is just a story about a girl facing difficulties and finding her inner queen, a powerful force which she can draw upon in dire situations when she needs extra courage?
that's probably how "uninitiated" people are suppose to interpret it.

but it's not the case because you can create such a story, about finding inner courage, without the electroshock elements, the masks and the mirrors. 

it's disturbing beyond comprehension. 

what do you think?
and NO, i'm not asking you for the textbook definition you think applies, i want to now how you think and feel about it; how it affects you, when you see and experience it. 

have a good one.

only love can

06-30-2015, 02:13 AM #2
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(06-29-2015, 10:24 AM)freedmind Wrote:  http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/r...d-control/


First i read it, and i thought, ok, but what if this is just a story about a girl facing difficulties and finding her inner queen, a powerful force which she can draw upon in dire situations when she needs extra courage?
that's probably how "uninitiated" people are suppose to interpret it.

That's the first problem and the most fundational with those books: Monarch victims are told from a young age that all the answers are outside of them, that they have no power over themselves.
It could appear that that story shows the a way of overcome their problem, but what they really need is someone who shows them that all the answers are they already. They don´t need to call an inner queen/king, they always have been the rulers of themselves. That powerful force for extra courage... sounds very demonic to me, you don´t need extra courage for anything, you just need courage (courage understood not as the absence of fear, but the willingness to act in spite of fear so you don´t need more of it, just need the original thing)

Anyway, I can't stress enough the concept that what I think of those books is strictly bound to my comprehension of the world. There was a time when I was ignorant of Monarch programing and even found the Wizard of Oz a classic movie. However things have changed for me and in any case would reccomend the books or the movies, I think they are tools that have made misserable many lives, so I can´t but look at them with disgust (and from the distance)

06-30-2015, 02:24 AM #3
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I always liked that film as a child, wouldnt say loved it because there were a lot of deep contenplative issues in the film and it was quite dark. I never really knew what it was about it when I was younger but looking back now I did feel that when I was younger just didnt understand it the way I do now if that makes any sense!

I only found out a couple of months ago the girl in the film who played Dorothy was Farizua Balk who has been in quite a few other quite dark films like american history x and the craft and I think she has an occult shop of her own! I am sure I seen an interview where she spoke about it, the one spoken about in the following link doesn't seem familiar but I am sure I seen it in an interview maybe it was some other interview.

http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.c...ult-store/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aNLjPhL5Ko

https://hollywoodsubliminals.wordpress.c...urn-to-oz/
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06-30-2015, 03:24 PM #4
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The Return to Oz film is in tone completely different from the original Oz books, which are way more upbeat, actually feminist in nature (for the times they were written), and instilled confidence in children.  This Return to Oz film is definitely much darker and even though the elements in the film are based on actual characters & events in the books, they are purposely created & heightened to be much creepier than they originally were.

I think ILM did some of the effects for this film - I recall TicToc being on display at Skywalker Ranch when I was there.

How do they get the "m" on the M&M?