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09-15-2016, 06:32 AM #1
blue forest
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aka Tim Dexter... what to make of him.  Huh 

Treadwell lived very closely amongst grizzly bears during summer seasons for 13 years in Katmai National Park, Alaska, (to the consternation of Park Rangers) before he and his girlfriend were killed and eaten by one of them, or should I say eaten alive.. (shudder)

Treadwell recorded almost 100 hours of video footage and produced a large collection of still photographs of brown (grizzly) bears.

He traveled throughout the United States to educate school children about bears and appeared on the Discovery Channel in a film called Grizzly Diaries in which, amongst other things, mother bears are shown nudging baby cubs over to Tim for babysitting duties so they can go off and run errands.

He wrote a book called 'Among Grizzlies: Living with Wild Bears in Alaska'.

He appeared twice on the David Letterman Show..

^^^ the sad irony of David Letterman's words and the stark reality of what happened.

There is a documentary called Grizzly Man about him (filmed after his death but that uses some of Tim's own footage) that some call a disrespectful mockumentary. Quite a few contradictory tales concerning Tim Dexter/Treadwell and what his motivations were. What was real and not real, sincere or partly staged or both.

A troubled person with a troubled past who had previously gotten into trouble with the law, he lived in LA, was a failed actor, was the second choice for Woody Harrelson's part on the tv series Cheers. His later expeditions to the park in Alaska were partly funded by Leonardo Dicaprio. Suffering from drug addiction and alcoholism in earlier years, he said he was completely cured of his addictions to drugs/alcohol by an encounter with a Grizzly.

He refused to carry bear spray as he didn't want to 'hurt the bears' and would not put electric fencing around his meager campsites as other campers in the same areas did. He fought with Park Rangers often and said he was fighting for the bears against poachers, erroneous government policies and tourists. Many believed then and believe now that he was mentally ill and that he suffered from paranoia that became more pronounced as his fame grew. Towards the end he began to soften his stance towards the Rangers.

Are there others here familiar with him and what happened or have an opinion on the topic?
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09-15-2016, 10:36 PM #2
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From the after-death documentary/mockumentary (depending on who you talk to) Grizzly Man.

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09-16-2016, 11:36 PM #3
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Can't say I ever heard of him, and idk what to make on his and his gf's death. It seems suspicious, imo, how he could live amongst them for over a decade without incident then suddenly that happens.

Although I'm also wondering if his lady was menstruating, as that does tend to be an unwitting invitation to animal attack.

"Be the change you want to see in the world"

There's only one true judge and that's God; so chill and let Our Father do His job
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09-17-2016, 06:00 AM #4
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According to the official story and Alaskan police authorities the attack was caught on videotape, that is the audio of the attack, the lens was covered and Tim had his mic on. Six minutes of the attack (which happened the night before they were going to leave Alaska, having made arrangement to be picked in the next afternoon), before the audio recording ran out.

Tim is said to have left all his papers, letters etc.. to his ex-girlfriend and long-time friend Jewel in his will who is also listed as an executive producer on the documentary Grizzly Man.

She has possession of the six minute audio tape and says she will never release it and has put it into a safety deposit box. In the doc they show the director listening to the audio tape and then asking her to turn it off.

Seen here:

I have not watched the full Grizzly Man documentary as it is not available in full via youtube. There are small clips available. Some who have watched the full doc say that some of it (the parts that are not Tim's own footage) seem staged and/or just plain weird

Take the part that shows the coroner who did the autopsies of TIm and his girlfriend Amie.

There is a video on youtube that purports to be the audio of the fatal bear attack, it is one minute and fifty seconds long, there are debates as to whether or not it is authentic. Most believe it is a hoax video or one that used what is said to have happened by authorities and in the six minute tape and re-staged it as an audio.

I thought that the audio online was real when I first listened to it, then I was pretty much convinced it was fake, done by actors, now I am not sure. It could be fake or it could be a partial version of the actual audiotape, if the bear attack happened like it has been said.

 I tend to think it did happen, there are a few who think that they were murdered and left to be eaten, by people who were out to get Tim, like poachers etc..(conspiracy theories abound and I have not delved into that theory yet).

 It is a rare thing for a bear to kill and eat a human and in this case it would be two humans, humans are unappetizing in taste so to speak.... to bears.

One commenter who has spent much time around bears in the wild and uses the same recording equipment as Tim did has gone against the tide and said he thinks the online recording is real, a partial of an authentic audio. Another commenter wrote that he knew Tim and what worries him is that the voice sounds like Tim's voice. Others say it is an obvious fake etc..

The bear who is said to have killed and eaten Tim and Amie was an old bear which had been previously tattooed due to a previous incident years before. A lot of the bears in Katmai National Park are conditioned to humans to a certain degree with the numbers of tourists who visit the park etc.. many of the bears were familiar with Tim, some astoundingly so..

The incident happened in the first week of October, a dangerous time to be in bear country as hibernation starts in early November. Unknown bears were moving in that would not have had that familiarity, looking for food. If a bear does not have enough food digested before hibernation in early November then they will starve to death or be fodder to be killed by other bears, hence they can be particularly aggressive and dangerous. Hungry or starving bears are in a desperate situation come October. The bear that is said to have attacked and killed/eaten them was an old, mangy, starving bear, that had been in many battles yet still around the vicinity of 1000 pounds in weight.

There is debate as to what bear actually killed them, whether or not it was the old bear who was shot and had human remains inside or a younger bear or whether or not it was one who Tim 'knew' or an unfamiliar bear.

Here is the audio recording of the attack that has been posted online. Whether it is real or fake it is disturbing to listen to so be warned.

Later I will post what a bear expert believes happened during the attacks on both Tim and Amie, what fatal decision was made (unknown to Amie that it would have been very likely a fatal decision), and why it happened, if it did indeed happen as stated.
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09-17-2016, 06:37 AM #5
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(09-16-2016, 11:36 PM)Thy Unveiling Wrote:  Can't say I ever heard of him, and idk what to make on his and his gf's death. It seems suspicious, imo, how he could live amongst them for over a decade without incident then suddenly that happens.

Although I'm also wondering if his lady was menstruating, as that does tend to be an unwitting invitation to animal attack.

I was just speaking to my sister yesterday about the dangers of going into the woods hiking in bear country this time of year (though she is safety conscious and goes with a group) as well as the topic of menstruation and bears.


.The following precautions are recommended:

1. Use pre-moistened, unscented cleaning towelettes.

2. Use internal tampons instead of external pads.

3. Do not bury tampons or pads (pack it in - pack it out). A bear may smell buried tampons or pads and dig them up. By providing bears a small food "reward", this action may attract bears to other menstruating women.

4. Place all used tampons, pads, and towelettes in double zip-loc baggies and store them unavailable to bears, just as you would store food. This means hung at least 10 feet above the ground and 4 feet from the tree trunk.

5. Tampons can be burned in a campfire, but remember that it takes a very hot fire and considerable time to completely burn them. Any charred remains must be removed from the fire pit and stored with your other garbage. Also, burning of any garbage is odorous and may attract bears to your campsite.

6. Many feminine products are heavily scented. Use only unscented or lightly scented items. Cosmetics, perfumes, and deodorants are unnecessary and may act as an attractant to bears.

7. Follow food storage regulations and recommendations so you can avoid attracting a bear into your camp with other odors. All odorous items that may attract bears, including food, cooking and food storage gear, toiletries, and garbage, must be kept secured from bears.


Amie Huguenard

Tim and Amie
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09-18-2016, 06:34 AM #6
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Discovery and Investigation

As scheduled, at 2:00 PM on Monday October 6, 2003, air taxi pilot Willy Fulton from Andrew Airways arrives at Kaflia Lake to transport Tim and Amie out of the area for the year and is approached by a large brown bear.

   Willy states "It was rainy and foggy out that morning." After landing, Willy believes that he sees Tim shaking out a tarp and yells for the couple but receives no response.

He decides to hike up the path from the beach and through the thick alder brush towards the camp after he notices a little bit of movement. When he is about 3/4 way up the hill he senses that "something just didn't feel right. Something seemed strange, hollering with no answer".
   Willy then states that he turned around and headed back down the path through the thick alders "at a pretty good clip" and just as he gets to the plane, he turns and spots "a pretty nasty looking bear" that he had seen on earlier flights, sneaking slowly down the trail with it's head down. "Just the meanest looking thing".

  Willy then takes off and flies over the campsite 15 to 20 times in an attempt to chase the bear away, and sees what appears to be the same bear feeding from a human rib cage, but each time he flies over the camp the bear begins to feed even faster.

Incident Diagram courtesy National Park Service (Body locations are noted by author)


Katmai park ranger Joel Ellis received the call from Andrew Airways at 1:35 PM. Ranger Ellis then requests that Willy Fulton be contacted by radio and asked that he remain "nearby, if he could do so safely". Willy then lands again about 1 mile west of the camp on the western shore of the lake.

  At 3:20 pm, ranger Ellis joins up with two other park rangers at the airport and depart in a park service Cessna 206, with ranger pilot A. Gilliland at the controls and ranger D. Dalrymple in the back seat. Ranger Ellis also has park dispatch report the incident to King Salmon State Troopers as well as Alaska Fish and Game, requesting that troopers meet the park rescue team at Kaflia Lake near Tim and Amie's camp.

  At 4:26 pm the team arrive at the lake, and ranger Ellis conducts a quick interview with Willy Fulton. Willy states that he "could not be 100% sure, but was confident that something was wrong". (Ellis 2003, pg 2)

  Willy advises the rangers that there is only room for one plane to park near the camp and climbs into the park service Cessna for the quick taxi to the south shore. As they approach the area, ranger pilot Gilliland spots a large adult bear near the top of the hill where the campsite is supposedly located.

  After exiting the plane, the four begin slowly hiking up the path from the lake, yelling as they walk to help locate any surviving victims, and to alert any nearby bears of their presence.

Ranger Ellis states that "the visibility was poor with a heavy growth of bushes and tall grass, the camp was located on top of a ridge and out of our sight. We had radio contact with Alaska State Troopers Hill and Jones", who were forced to park their plane 300 meters away and had to hike through the thick brush, "so we elected to wait at the base of the hill until Troopers Hill and Jones could catch up".

  Ranger Ellis was standing with ranger Gilliland and Willy Fulton to his left. Ranger Dalrymple was slightly ahead of Gilliland when Gilliland suddenly yells, Bear! while pointing to the right. Ranger Ellis states that he turned and "saw an adult bear moving toward the group about 20 feet away".

All four begin yelling in hopes that the bear would see them and move away. Ranger Ellis then states that he "perceived that the bear was well aware of their presence and was stalking them".

Ranger Ellis, armed with a 40 cal. handgun begins to fire at about the same time rangers Gilliland and Dalrymple, who were each armed with 12 gauge shotguns loaded with slugs also begin to shoot at the bear.

  Ranger Ellis fires 11 times while rangers Gilliland and Dalrymple each fire 5 times, dropping the bear 12 feet away.

"That was cutting it thin" stated Ellis. After about 10 seconds the bear dies and Willy Fulton then reportedly says "I want to look that bear in the eyes" and states that he is sure that this was the bear that chased him back to his plane earlier. (Ellis 2003, pg 3)

  Human remains were then found buried by a bear near the campsite, which was in a brushy area with poor visibility.
 Two tents were discovered, one for gear and the main tent used for sleeping. Both were collapsed and torn, however there was no evidence that the bear had pulled the victims from the main tent.

In front of this main tent was a large mound of mud, grass and sticks, five feet long, 4 foot wide, and 3 feet high. After moving a clump of dirt, ranger Ellis later recalled seeing "fingers and an arm protruding from the pile". (Ellis 2003, pg 4. Gilliland 2003, pg 10)

  Food was found in the camp secured in 4 or 5 metal bear proof canisters, as well as open snack food found untouched inside the sleeping tent. Both Tim and Amie's shoes were also found neatly still in place at the entrance to the main tent.

  Rangers Ellis and Dalrymple then hike back down the path to retrieve cameras from the plane. Ranger Gilliland states that he was "standing at the top of the knoll about 10 feet from the mound" containing Amie, looking around when he spots a large bear about 15 feet away walking up the same trail they had just hiked up, and the same trail that rangers Ellis and Dalrymple had just walked down.

After yelling Bear! The two troopers, who had arrived at this point, as well as Willy Fulton, begin yelling at the bear "to get out!". The bear hesitates for about 2 seconds before turning and walking back down the trail to the lake. (Gilliland 2003, pg 10)

  Meanwhile, ranger's Dalrymple and Ellis, having just reached the plane and out of ear shot of the activity unfolding back at camp, spot a large adult bear moving down the trail from the camp. The two climb onto the plane's float and yell as the bear continues to move away. Because the bear did not appear to be acting aggressively, the rangers allowed it to move off. (Ellis 2003, pg 4)

  Investigators combing the nearby area around the campsite discover what was left of Timothy Treadwell. "His head connected to a small piece of (spine}", and what has been described as a frozen grimace on his face. "His right arm and hand laying nearby with his wrist watch still attached". (Fulton 2004, Ellis 2003, pg 5)

Meanwhile, searchers excavating the bear's cache back in camp discover Amie Huguenard, who's arm and fingers had been exposed to the daylight when investigators first entered the camp. Appearing as though she were peacefully asleep except that her body, like Tim's, had been mostly eaten by the bear. (Ellis 2003, pg 5)

Later, as the helicopter was being loaded, a second smaller bear approximately 3 years old seemed to be stalking the rangers and it was shot and killed as well.

  Ranger Ellis states that he "saw a bear about 30 feet away". Ranger Gilliland fires a warning shot into the air, however the bear did not react. "This bear was intermittently visible as it moved through the brush and tall grass. We were yelling and the bear was looking right at us."

  As the bear continued to move towards the group ranger Ellis fires a shotgun, while trooper Hill and ranger Gilliland also begin firing at the bear. "The bear dropped but continued to move. Ranger Gilliland moved in and fired a final shot" killing the bear, states Ellis. (Ellis 2003, pg 5)

 Video and still camera equipment, also found at the site, were later analyzed by Alaska State Troopers where it was discovered that the last remaining 6 minutes of video tape, which was found still in the camera bag, had captured the sounds of the attack.

  The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, "she sounds surprised and asks if it's still out there". Apparently either Tim had asked Amie to turn the camera on, or Amie just turned it on out of reflex. (I don't believe this latter scenario took place for one minute which I will discuss in detail below). At any rate, the attack was in progress when the camera was turned on.

  The next voice is from Timothy as he screams "Get out here! I'm getting killed out here!" (Tim was wearing a remote microphone on his coverall's).

The sound of a tent zipper is then heard and the tent flap opening. Amie is heard screaming over the background sounds of rain hitting the tent, the wind, and other storm sounds all mixed in with the bear and Tim fighting to "Play dead!" Seconds pass before Amie yells again to "Play dead!" (Van Daele 2004)

Not surprisingly, with Amie yelling and screaming nearby, this seems to work and the bear breaks off the attack. (more on this below) A short conversation ensues as Amie and Tim try and determine if the bear is really gone.

Being trained as a physician's assistant, it is believed that Amie made her way to Tim, and from the sounds caught on tape, the bear returns and Amie is forced to back off. Tim then is clearly heard screaming that playing dead isn't working and begs her to "hit the bear!" ( Van Daele 2005, Fallico 2004)

   The sound of rain hitting the tent, along with wind muffle the sounds at this point. However, Amie is clearly heard yelling to "Fight back!" She is then heard screaming "Stop! Go Away! or possibly Run Away!" as the sound of "a frying pan is used to beat the top of the bears head and the sound of Tim moaning. (Fallico 2004)

 It is believed that at this point in the attack, the bear let go of Tim's head which the bear had in it's mouth, and grabbed him somewhere in the upper leg area. The sound of Amie screaming very loudly, as Tim is clearly heard over the sounds of the storm, saying "Amie get away, get away, go away". Tim knew he was going to die at this point and wanted to save Amie from the same fate. (Herzog, Fallico 2004)

Amie did not go away.
The audio portion of this video tape lasts roughly 6 minutes. During this period, Tim's cries and pleadings can be heard for two-thirds of that time. He did not die quickly, unlike some traumatic death victims who were lucky enough to drift off into a shock induced dream state. Tim was obviously very aware and struggling desperately to survive during the last moments of his life.

  Unlike what is portrayed in the movies, the bear is nearly silent. Only low growls and periodic grunts are heard which only adds to the horror of the scene. Sounds of the bear dragging Tim off, and the fading sounds of his scream's indicate that Tim is being pulled and dragged into the brush and away from camp.

  As the tape comes to an end, the sounds of Amie's high-pitched screams rise to a new level, much like what has been described as "the sound of a predator call used by hunters to produce the distress cries of a small wounded animal which often attracts bears". Biologist Larry Van Daele, for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game theorizes that Amie's screams "may have prompted the bear to return and kill her." ( Van Daele 2004 )

   We can only envision the horror of what Amie had witnessed and heard. Hysterical and "paralyzed with fear, standing just outside of the tent until the bear returned and attacked her". (I'm not convinced of this. More on this below too) 

 On Friday, October 8, 2003, two days after investigators first arrived and killed the two bears, a necropsy of the larger bear was conducted at the scene by biologist Larry Van Daele, where it was learned the stomach and digestive tract contained human remains and torn pieces of clothing. Four garbage bags containing human remains were removed and flown out by helicopter. (Egli 2004)

The smaller younger bear had been eaten by other bears before the multi-agency team could return and only the head remained, so no determination could be made as to whether this young bear played any part in the deaths or the consumption of the victims.

Questions and Theories

What happened? What caused the first fatal bear attack in Katmai National Park history? Rare in itself. Rarer yet, a bear who then consumes the victims.

 It would be easy to say; Well, the fact that Tim often walked up close to bears to photograph them caused his death.

However, examining the evidence shows that this was not the case entirely, but was a contributing factor. The attack and killings took place in camp the night before Willy Fulton flew in to pick Tim and Amie up. Sunday night, and not during the day while Tim was normally out filming and interacting with bears.

    When a bear comes into a camp, especially at night, we know that this is not a typical bear encounter but a bear that has possibly been conditioned to humans and human food, trash, or an older bear no longer able to feed on natural foods as efficiently, and we know that bears sometimes came into Tim's camp at night during previous summer excursions. (Dr. Herrero 1985, Treadwell 2001, 2002, et al)

   For Tim, this was nothing unusual. After all, he camped on established bear trails, or near intersecting bear trails, and had contact with the same bears every year and felt he knew each one personally. In each case, Tim would leave the tent as soon as he heard a bear nearby, and would calmly talk to them in his often child like voice encouraging and forcing them to leave. (Treadwell 2001)

How do we know that? He often taped the encounters.

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09-18-2016, 02:09 PM #7
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Sad story.

I would like to express my views on this.

God is the Creator of life. God is also the Only One Maintaining life in this and every other dimension that we know and don't know about.

Though the bears, creatures under the Perfect Control of the Almighty, were used as a means to bring about death for Timothy, they do not, on their own possess any capacity to exist by themselves, let alone possess any ability to extract the life out of another life-form. God Is The Only One Who Can Really Grant life or death to anybody.

After death, life! So the worst, that is the suffering, is over for Timothy. The fact that he suffered before dying is, to me, a good sign. I really hope that meant expiation for his sins. Everybody who dies goes into the next world, the world of the grave, where people who died, say 2000 years ago, are still ''living'' there to his day. So the time that we will have to spend in that other world is longer than the time that we spend here on earth. What have we prepared for it? Timothy seems to have prepared some since he was caring for bears during his life here on earth. God is merciful to good people. 

Despite the atrociousness of the way he died, we can never know for sure how much he suffered. God never burdens a soul beyond his capacity to endure it. The key is to never lose faith in God, no matter what happens. May God Grant Timothy peace and happiness in the world of the grave and on the day of Judgment. Amen.

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09-18-2016, 10:16 PM #8
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That long wall of text has some very fishy, contrary evidence. I don't know enough about bears, or the individuals, to speculate on what may have actually happened. It sounds gruesome and horrifying, but things seem Off in the report.

I never thought of a painful death the way Slave put it. It's such a "wtf?!" comment, yet after that initial "seriously?" I can understand his logic there. Only God knows if it's true or not. Maybe it's one of those things we tell ourselves to make acceptance of horror easier. Maybe there is truth to what s/he said. Idk.

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I remember watching a dateline or 20/20 on this when it happened. I think my takeaway was that it was tragic and disturbing, yes, but he was kind of asking for it thinking such a ferocious animal could be his friend. God gave us fear as a sort of protection. If you treat something like that as a non-threat, consequences happen.
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09-19-2016, 05:32 AM #10
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(09-18-2016, 10:16 PM)Thy Unveiling Wrote:  That long wall of text has some very fishy, contrary evidence. I don't know enough about bears, or the individuals, to speculate on what may have actually happened. It sounds gruesome and horrifying, but things seem Off in the report

Yes I noticed that as well, there are definite contradictions in the report. First thing I noticed was Willy the pilot who came to pick them up allegedly saying he flew over the campsite 15-20 times to try and chase the bear away and that he saw the same bear at the campsite that had chased him down the path.

Well for one thing I thought there was very low visibility, rain and fog, with the campsite surrounded by bush and tall grass according to the second load of rangers who came in. Yet Willy was somehow able to see what looked like the bear who had followed him eating what looked like a human rib cage and eating faster every time he flew over? and he flew over 15 to 20 times?

Also the report says that Willy turned when he got to his taxi water plane and saw the big nasty looking bear being sneaky with it's head down, walking slowly down the path he had just come down and then later he says that the bear chased him down the path so which is it?

There is also the contradiction between the four garbage bags of human remains stated in that piece and the two bags stated by the odd coroner in the documentary.

They killed two bears, a necropsy was done on the larger, older bear. The necropsy was not done until two days after the bear was killed and one was not done on the much younger and smaller bear that was killed because according to the report, nothing was left of the younger bear except it's head as the rest of him/her had been eaten. Not sure if that makes sense, why would one be almost entirely eaten and the other not. Why do they seem to assume that the older bear with the human remains found in him was the one who killed them? it could have been another bear, a younger bear perhaps, or more than one, and the older bear ate some of the remains if this is indeed what happened.

I found another article that speaks to this issue:


I am inclined to believe that the first bear killed by the Park Service, which had consumed both Timothy and Amie, had been in the area for a long while and was not responsible for the attack. 

   Size and age made this a very intimidating bear but he was not overly aggressive.

He tended to demand respect without aggression – you could see disdain in its face whenever it was confronted, whether by humans or bears. It was known by all other bears in the area, and it only needed to look at them or approach them slightly for them to back off or leave the area. No aggression was needed. It is more likely that this bear claimed the bodies from a smaller, younger bear, possibly new to the area.
Willy Fulton identified this bear as #141, the bear killed by the Park Service which had consumed Timothy and Amie. It's possible this bear was responsible for the attack. My reason for believing differently is knowing the length of time of the attack.

Aug. 1, 2003
Aug. 1, 2003

Many factors may have contributed to the deadly encounter, among them the lateness of the year, a natural time when bears become more anxious and antagonistic, due to the reduced amount of food available and the call of hibernation just around the corner, and the weather conditions, which were very poor at the time, with a lot of rain and wind. I believe the bear, new to the area or not, was curious about the tent and the possible smells coming from it, food and human odors. 
Timothy and Amie were planning to be picked up on 5th October. Through experience, Tim would have packed early, expecting that if a weather-window allowed the float-plane in for a pick-up, they would need to be ready. When it became obvious the weather wasn’t going to cooperate, Timothy would pack the gear and food next to his tent and cover it with the storage tent, or he’d quickly sit the tent up to store the gear and food.

This process would have stirred up a lot of smells in the area. The bear was probably curious about it all, approached the tent, and Timothy confronted it with his usual reaction of dominance towards a curious bear (making noise, hollering and running towards it)(3) .

This situation, especially if the bear was unknown to him, along with the poor weather conditions, which make it difficult for bears to use their sense of smell and hearing, likely triggered the attack.

Grizzly Man includes the last shot from Timothy’s camera, with himself filming his “goodbye” and the campsite in the background. I keep on wondering how much time there was between that last video-clip and the time of the attack.

My guess is, Timothy returned to the camp with the camera still on standby and the attack happened shortly thereafter. The remote, activated by Timothy or accidentally during the struggle with the bear, turned the camera on, resulting in the sound being recorded.

The bear involved in the attack might have discovered food smells coming from the gear and food containers outside the tent and was intent on checking them out. Under these circumstances, a bear that might otherwise have run away could take exception to someone interfering with his feeding and promptly snap when interrupted.

A study at Yosemite showed that a black bear can usually be chased away, but this becomes harder once the bear has latched onto food. This type of aggressive behavior is a kind of cache defense, which is the cause of maybe 10 percent of killings by grizzly bears.

A remote was found with the camera in its case, leading to speculation that the camera was turned on by Amie. I don’t think this to be. This remote was probably a spare back-up, should he lose the other one or it stopped working, which likely happened to him more than once in an environment such as Kaflia’s, where he spent weeks crawling and running through the brush.


Timothy Treadwell was not the foolhardy person the media portrays him to be. In his 13 years in Alaska, he probably had more bear encounters than anyone, except maybe Vitaly Nikolayenko, who spent 25 years doing much the same thing Timothy did until a bear killed him in Kamchatka two months after Timothy was killed in Alaska. 

   Contrary to his media image, Timothy was not one to blithely walk up to a bear. He was cautious, even fearful, around bears he didn’t know, but he developed relationships and mutual trust with a few individual bears over the years.


A different perspective

Amie turns the camera on and asks if the bear is still out there. Tim then yells for Amie to "Get out here! I'm getting killed out here!". Amie leaves the tent (the sound of a zipper and the tent door being opened) and sees Tim on the ground struggling with his head in the bear's mouth and yells for him to "play dead!".

   Bears often attack, or defend themselves by first going for the head in an attempt to take out the opponents weapon; the face, mouth and head. Bear number #141 had worn, broken canines and was unable to make use of this tactic, along with the fact that the human head is just too large to fit directly inside of a bears mouth.

  In my opinion, Amie was able to drive the bear away initially, because this was an older bear who had become conditioned when dealing with younger, stronger, more dominant bears by moving away from the food it had just obtained after being challenged, and was probably startled by a second animal, Amie in this case, suddenly appearing and making a lot of noise.

  After scaring the bear away, Amie and Tim have a short conversation while determining where the bear is, and whether it is still nearby. Amie is cautious and afraid, the tent is a secure refuge in her mind. Amie then walks over to Tim, and based on training in the hospital no doubt told Tim to lay still, but is then tested and driven away by the bear, and at this point in the attack I believe Tim realized that this was not a typical bear encounter, and that playing dead was not going to work and the wrong response, yelling at Amie to "hit the bear!".

  Again, I believe this older male bear had become conditioned through repetition. In the past when this bear had been driven away from a freshly caught salmon or other food item, the need to eat and put on weight had no doubt caused this bear to then test the true strengths of the thief and attempt to re-take its meal. Hundreds of video taped encounters like this have been filmed over the years with many different bears. Tim had even filmed such encounters.

   Once the bear had driven Amie off, I believe the bears predatory instincts took over and decided to drag Tim off to a more secure area after Amie returned and began aggressively attacking it with the frying pan, just as the bear would have done when dealing with other more dominant bears and a freshly caught salmon or moose calf.

In video footage recovered from the camp, there was at least some video taken days or hours earlier, showing Amie sitting on the ground as a large bear sits behind her within 10 feet.

  In this footage, Amie is obviously nervous and scared as she leans away from the bear. Likewise, we know from Tim's diary that Amie was frightened of bears.

   Knowing this, I think Amie was #1: Reluctant to leave the tent and approach and attack the bear that was on Tim right from the start of the attack and #2: Not knowledgeable enough about bears herself to know that this was not a typical bear encounter, and that once she was able to push the bear away and had moved over to Tim, that she needed to fight back aggressively to keep the bear from returning, and once the bear tested her and she ran or moved away from Tim, that this triggered a predatory instinct in the bear to protect "its kill", and dragged Tim away to a safer location.

Much as it would have done with a salmon or other food item when approached by other bears in the area.

    In previous night time bear encounters around remote camps, individuals who aggressively fought bears that were attacking their friend, were in most cases, able to drive the bear away. 

"Grizzly bears usually enter camping areas at a walk and at night. Before an attack, a person seldom sees any signs of aggression" writes, Dr. Stephen Herrero in his book "Bear Attacks, Their Causes and Avoidance". Individuals who have aggressively yelled at the bear, or thrown rocks or other objects to distract the bear, generally have then had time to move away to safety or, they drove the bear away with the first yell and aggressive action. 

                  Night encounters are much different than surprise encounters during the day and must be handled differently.

  However, in cases where individuals were able to drive a bear away during night encounters, but then moved away from the victim, either on purpose, or by the bear returning and "testing" this healthy person driving them off, the bear has in nearly every case dragged the victim even farther, and then killed and consumed him or her. Extremely rare, but it has happened.                   

Had Amie aggressively fought off the bear after she got to Tim, would she have been able to save him and herself? Had she helped Tim back to the tent after the bear had moved off after the initial attack, or had Tim and Amie brought a can of "Bear Spray", as they had on earlier expeditions, would they be alive today? Those are questions that will never be answered. Anything is possible.

  I believe that, had Tim not walked away from the tent and towards the bear, and had stayed with Amie, or had they both left the tent and backed away from the tent giving the bear room, that the bear would not have attacked and both Tim and Amie would be alive today.

Bears are more reluctant to attack multiple people than they are one lone individual. In this particular case, the bear came walking down the path that night and had no where else to go, but right through the camp with Tim and Amie's tent in the middle of the trail.

  I partially agree with the investigators, in that Amie screaming had initiated the attack on her after Tim had been dragged off. If Amie had remained quiet, I doubt that the bear would have returned to her, which would have given her enough time to back away and get to the beach, where she could have hidden until the next day when Willy Fulton was expected to arrive, but when faced with the horror's she had just witnessed, who can blame her for losing her mind and screaming.

   However, I do not believe that Amie's screams attracted the bear "like a predator call". There is no doubt that the sight's and sounds of Tim being dragged away from camp by the bear horrified Amie to the point where she lost her mind with fear. When left with nothing else to do and confronted with extreme danger, screamed even louder in hopes that somehow this nightmare would end and the bear would once again leave Tim. After all, she had screamed earlier and was successful in driving the bear away. No gun, no weapon of any kind except for a frying pan, screaming was all she had left.

   Instead of attracting the bear "like a predator call", I believe this very aggressive bear was still attempting to "protect its kill". I believe that Amie more than likely ran after the bear a short distance, as it was dragging Tim up the trail screaming at the top of her lungs and striking the bear with the frying pan once again in a last ditch effort to drive the bear away, but was then pushed back to the tent a second time.

The bear was then caught up in the "cat and mouse" chase that no doubt resulted around the tent, and the bears predatory instinct was triggered and Amie was killed.

  This latter scenario can not be confirmed because thankfully for us the video tape ran out before it occurred.


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