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08-12-2016, 10:27 PM #1
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Let's  use Elias thread to get this thread started:
(08-12-2016, 09:48 PM)EliasP Wrote:  When it comes to Turkey and Erdogan, I'm optimistic.

Maybe it's the similarities in Erdogan and Hitler's rise that appeals to me. Compare these rallies:

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You don't see something like this everyday. Exclamation

The Turks might not be as well-disciplined (afaik) and Erdogan may have played a role in the globalist agenda, but if he really has come to his senses, then I am willing to give him a chance. 

Hitler:
Hence we are once more appealing to the Germans. And we are not miserly regarding the outcome of this project. We do not exclude anyone! We are fighting with the Communists here, and we will beat them into the ground if necessary. But should they say, "I'm hungry"- fine, then let them have something to eat. We are not fighting them in order to kill them, but in order to preserve our Volk from madness. But if they come to their senses and return to their Volk, they shall be welcomed with open arms. We rejoice in every person who has found the way to his community. We are just as resolved to defend this community as we are generous in winning over members for this community.

That doesn't mean I'd welcome the Turks with open arms, I'm just saying my disposition towards him and his people isn't negative. It's worth mentioning that Germany and Turkey relations have deteriorated as of late because of Merkel's government.

I wonder if Erdogan has read Mein Kampf. That book is literally a blueprint.

There are indeed many similarities between Erdogan's Turkey and Hitler's Germany, is this a good thing though?

I am going to admit that I am biased in this debate, because I had a grandfather who was taken to a German work camp against his will. He was neither Jewish, gypsy or mentally disabled.

While many of the socialist policies instigated by Hitler have been implemented all over, primarily, Northern Europe, Turkey seems to be focusing more on the nationalistic aspects of Hitler's Germany. Germany primarily used (faulty) religious/scientific propaganda to get the support of the German people, Turkey is using primarily religious propaganda to get the support of the Turkish people. I have spoken to some secular, highly educated Turks and they are absolutely appalled at what is happening in Turkey at this time.

Many Europeans are absolutely appalled at the 'Chamberlain' reaction of European nations towards Turkey. A man who has stated that: "Democracy is like a train,  you get off once you have reached your destination" has zero understanding of Western civilization.

08-12-2016, 11:44 PM #2
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I think Blub you are focusing on the official narrative of Hitler and the NSDAP (bear in mind the term Nazi was concocted by a Jewish socialist (Sozi) and picked up and propagandised by Jew Hollywood and the All Lie victors. 

Turkey under Erdogan and what he's done has far greater similarities with Lenin / Trotsky and what the Bolshevik Jews did in Russia. 

This is the 25 point plan for Germany set out by Hitler and the NSDAP in 1928. 

I'm not sure Erdogan is following these principles and putting the common interest ahead of self-interest. 

Quote:THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST - THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

In these straightforward statements of intent, Hitler translated his ideology into a plan of action which would prove its popularity with the German people throughout the coming years. For many, the abruptness of its departure from the tradition of politics as practiced in the western world was as much of a shock as its liberal nature and foresight of the emerging problems of western democracy.



The Programme of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.


2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.


3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.


4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.


5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.


6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.


We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.


7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.


8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.


9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.


10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

We demand therefore:


11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.


13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).


14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.


15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.


16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.


17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *


18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.


19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.


20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.


21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.


22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.


23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:


(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation; 


(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. 


They must not be printed in the German language; 

© that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.


The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.


24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.


The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: 


The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.


The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.


* On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.
 
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

Bear in mind Erdogan is likely a crypto-Jew (Donmeh) himself so would easily assimilate with Bolshevik attitudes and actions
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08-13-2016, 02:00 AM #3
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(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  I am going to admit that I am biased in this debate, because I had a grandfather who was taken to a German work camp against his will. He was neither Jewish, gypsy or mentally disabled.
And how did he describe it?


I'm still writing my reply, I'm just curious.

08-13-2016, 02:12 AM #4
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@Blub can you say in what year the internment occurred and where he was sent? 

There were other "enemies of the German nation" who were interned.

Was he a communist or thought to be a communist? 

Germany's war was largely against communism and that's why Jews were locked up because communism is Jewish and Bolshevik mass murdering terrorists were Jewish.

And by saying that I'm not saying all Jews were communists and all communists were Jews. Neither was the case.  

Many non-Jews were communists.  Communism was rife as a political ideology across Europe.  Russia had been terrorised into submission by the Bolsheviks and Spain has just ended its civil war which pitted nationalists against communists.  Nationalists won.  The communists though were supported greatly by European Jewry. 

I had family members who were communists.  They were executed.  Germany did it, Italy did it, Croatia did it, Bulgaria did it etc.  

Depending on the time of internment would have determined how enemies of the German nation were being perceived at that time. 

Remember, the US locked up all Japanese on American soil in concentration camps too. What Germany did was no different
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08-13-2016, 02:18 AM #5
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never mind
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08-13-2016, 08:47 AM #6
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"You cannot be both secular and a Muslim! You will either be a Muslim, or secular! When both are together, they create reverse magnetism [i.e.they repel one another]. For them to exist together is not a possibility! Therefore, it is not possible for a person who says "I am a Muslim" to go on and say "I am secular, too." And why is that? Because Allah, the creator of the Muslim, has absolute power and rule!" - Erdogan


He actually has a point here.
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08-13-2016, 08:57 AM #7
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never mind
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08-15-2016, 07:55 AM #8
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(08-12-2016, 11:44 PM)Stride Wrote:  I think Blub you are focusing on the official narrative of Hitler and the NSDAP (bear in mind the term Nazi was concocted by a Jewish socialist (Sozi) and picked up and propagandised by Jew Hollywood and the All Lie victors.

Turkey under Erdogan and what he's done has far greater similarities with Lenin / Trotsky and what the Bolshevik Jews did in Russia.

This is the 25 point plan for Germany set out by Hitler and the NSDAP in 1928.

I'm not sure Erdogan is following these principles and putting the common interest ahead of self-interest.

I am well aware that the term Nazi was invented so people would forget that the NSDAP, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, was a leftist, socialist government. Here's a propaganda poster from the party's Dutch baby brother, NSB:
İmage

Translation: With Germany against capitalism.

Socialism is just Communism's little brother. Unchecked socialism leads to enslavement as we saw in Europe during the 2nd world war and what we can see happening now.

(08-13-2016, 02:00 AM)EliasP Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  I am going to admit that I am biased in this debate, because I had a grandfather who was taken to a German work camp against his will. He was neither Jewish, gypsy or mentally disabled.
And how did he describe it?

I'm still writing my reply, I'm just curious.

He didn't describe it, he never talked about it as it wasn't really a particular happy time in his life.

(08-13-2016, 02:12 AM)Stride Wrote:  @Blub can you say in what year the internment occurred and where he was sent?

There were other "enemies of the German nation" who were interned.

Was he a communist or thought to be a communist?

Germany's war was largely against communism and that's why Jews were locked up because communism is Jewish and Bolshevik mass murdering terrorists were Jewish.

And by saying that I'm not saying all Jews were communists and all Jews were communists. Neither was the case. 

Many non-Jews were communists.  Communism was rife as a political ideology across Europe.  Russia had been terrorised into submission by the Bolsheviks and Spain has just ended its civil war which pitted nationalists against communists.  Nationalists won.  The communists though were supported greatly by European Jewry.

I had family members who were communists.  They were executed.  Germany did it, Italy did it, Croatia did it, Bulgaria did it etc. 

Depending on the time of internment would have determined how enemies of the German nation were being perceived at that time.

Remember, the US locked up all Japanese on American soil in concentration camps too. What Germany did was no different

No, as already stated above he did not talk about this time in his life and he has passed away some time ago, maybe my aunt might remember. My grandfather was not a communist, if he had been a communist he would have indeed been executed. He was just 'regular slave labor', all empires rely on slave labor. From my understanding, the Germans took at least one young, strong man per family to work in slave camps, my grandfather's twin brother for example was not taken.

You also mention one of Hitler's biggest mistakes. He went after all Jews, in stead of just the shitty once. He judged on religion, in stead of actions. There are shitty Jews, shitty Christians, shitty Muslims, shitty Hindu's etc., in my opinion it is up to the good ones of these respective groups to go after the bad ones.

(08-13-2016, 02:18 AM)EliasP Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  While many of the socialist policies instigated by Hitler have been implemented all over, primarily, Northern Europe, Turkey seems to be focusing more on the nationalistic aspects of Hitler's Germany. Germany primarily used (faulty) religious/scientific propaganda to get the support of the German people,
Not faulty.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/showth...1#pid81141

I was referring to his ubermensch theories, that the Aryan race is the superior race, blond haired, blue eyed. Slavic people for example were treated like crap by the Germans during the 2nd world war, as they considered them untermenschen, even though they are European as well.

Dutch people were in general treated better than the Slavs, because we were also considered a Germanic people. Native Germans still trumped everyone though.
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08-15-2016, 08:01 AM #9
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(08-13-2016, 02:18 AM)EliasP Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  While many of the socialist policies instigated by Hitler have been implemented all over, primarily, Northern Europe, Turkey seems to be focusing more on the nationalistic aspects of Hitler's Germany. Germany primarily used (faulty) religious/scientific propaganda to get the support of the German people,
Not faulty.


http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/showth...1#pid81141

You're right. None of the propaganda was faulty. 

Germany (as Russia does today) disseminated truth about its All Lie enemies.  The All Lies hated it, but win the war so could write the history and assert Germany spread false propaganda
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08-15-2016, 08:04 AM #10
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(08-15-2016, 07:55 AM)blub23 Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 11:44 PM)Stride Wrote:  I think Blub you are focusing on the official narrative of Hitler and the NSDAP (bear in mind the term Nazi was concocted by a Jewish socialist (Sozi) and picked up and propagandised by Jew Hollywood and the All Lie victors.

Turkey under Erdogan and what he's done has far greater similarities with Lenin / Trotsky and what the Bolshevik Jews did in Russia.

This is the 25 point plan for Germany set out by Hitler and the NSDAP in 1928.

I'm not sure Erdogan is following these principles and putting the common interest ahead of self-interest.

I am well aware that the term Nazi was invented so people would forget that the NSDAP, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, was a leftist, socialist government. Here's a propaganda poster from the party's Dutch baby brother, NSB:
İmage

Translation: With Germany against capitalism.

Socialism is just Communism's little brother. Unchecked socialism leads to enslavement as we saw in Europe during the 2nd world war and what we can see happening now.

(08-13-2016, 02:00 AM)EliasP Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  I am going to admit that I am biased in this debate, because I had a grandfather who was taken to a German work camp against his will. He was neither Jewish, gypsy or mentally disabled.
And how did he describe it?

I'm still writing my reply, I'm just curious.

He didn't describe it, he never talked about it as it wasn't really a particular happy time in his life.

(08-13-2016, 02:12 AM)Stride Wrote:  @Blub can you say in what year the internment occurred and where he was sent?

There were other "enemies of the German nation" who were interned.

Was he a communist or thought to be a communist?

Germany's war was largely against communism and that's why Jews were locked up because communism is Jewish and Bolshevik mass murdering terrorists were Jewish.

And by saying that I'm not saying all Jews were communists and all Jews were communists. Neither was the case. 

Many non-Jews were communists.  Communism was rife as a political ideology across Europe.  Russia had been terrorised into submission by the Bolsheviks and Spain has just ended its civil war which pitted nationalists against communists.  Nationalists won.  The communists though were supported greatly by European Jewry.

I had family members who were communists.  They were executed.  Germany did it, Italy did it, Croatia did it, Bulgaria did it etc. 

Depending on the time of internment would have determined how enemies of the German nation were being perceived at that time.

Remember, the US locked up all Japanese on American soil in concentration camps too. What Germany did was no different

No, as already stated above he did not talk about this time in his life and he has passed away some time ago, maybe my aunt might remember. My grandfather was not a communist, if he had been a communist he would have indeed been executed. He was just 'regular slave labor', all empires rely on slave labor. From my understanding, the Germans took at least one young, strong man per family to work in slave camps, my grandfather's twin brother for example was not taken.

You also mention one of Hitler's biggest mistakes. He went after all Jews, in stead of just the shitty once. He judged on religion, in stead of actions. There are shitty Jews, shitty Christians, shitty Muslims, shitty Hindu's etc., in my opinion it is up to the good ones of these respective groups to go after the bad ones.

(08-13-2016, 02:18 AM)EliasP Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 10:27 PM)blub23 Wrote:  While many of the socialist policies instigated by Hitler have been implemented all over, primarily, Northern Europe, Turkey seems to be focusing more on the nationalistic aspects of Hitler's Germany. Germany primarily used (faulty) religious/scientific propaganda to get the support of the German people,
Not faulty.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/showth...1#pid81141

I was referring to his ubermensch theories, that the Aryan race is the superior race, blond haired, blue eyed. Slavic people for example were treated like crap by the Germans during the 2nd world war, as they considered them untermenschen, even though they are European as well.

Dutch people were in general treated better than the Slavs, because we were also considered a Germanic people. Native Germans still trumped everyone though.
@Blub the blonde haired blue eyed "Aryan" is straight out of hollywoods backside.  

Aryan simply means native European person with their own culture from their particular sub-species. 

Hitler wanted the Jews, their finance system, their capitalism, their materialism, their corruption and their perversion out of Europe.  

Once they were gone Europe would heal and its Aryan natives would have their own lands back




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