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08-04-2016, 01:50 PM #1
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Does anybody think these things are for nefarious purposes ..











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08-04-2016, 02:44 PM #2
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Don't think they are as bad as people claim them to be. The radiation they supposedly put out makes me think of the "proofs" of nanobots being sprayed in chemtrails. Honesty a tv puts out plenty of radiation as do microwaves. Look how many children sit 2 feet away from the tv for hours on end daily.

I'm not saying to trust the powers that be. But don't believe everything that's out there either because the powers that be actually source some of it to make you less credible when you question the gooberment. For example flat earth.

I'm in the field and can tell you why they the power industry is big on these meters. They instantly alert anyone pulling them, ie attempting to steal electricity. They are readable from the office, saving on paying people to go out and read them. They can be turned off from the office at the push of a button. In one word the poco (power company) likes these things because they increase "control".

People saying smart meters are monitoring them and taking away their privacy don't need to look past the xbox1 siting in there living room. The webcam w/ mic found on most pc's can be turned on at there own discretion. Laptops are notorious for getting their built in cameras hijacked. Cellphones which are known to map out the entire house. Smart appliances like tv's are capable or recognizing who is speaking then recording it.

There is honestly a plethora of surveillance in the average home that people willingly bring in. If privacy is an issue, the smart meter should be your last concern.

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08-04-2016, 05:03 PM #3
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While I agree that technology must advance, the concerns here are more legitimate to me. Firstly, yes they provide common sense help to the utility companies, but they can also be used by others and hacked, The following are stone cold facts -

- They emit and have the capability to emit harmful waves to human beings, animals and even plant life.

- Information has been readily sold by utility companies to data miners about consumer usage. In California they enacted a bill to eliminate this/

- The unit communicates with other units and they can be HACKED where thieves, big bro, etc can know when you are home.

- They monitor minute by minute usage, meaning they can know when you turn on a light at 3 a.m. to take a tinker.

- In Canada, they are going to start using these to charge tiered prices. IOW, you pay ,more for peak time. This in turn, will allow them to say your carbon footprint is too big in the future and cut you back or off.

- They would allow for the government to have complete grid control and shut us off at any time.

- The price of electricity has gone steadily up, yet Tesla said it should be free. If big bro controls the power, they control us. Instead of having to shut down sites, as you say, a flip of the switch will allow that to happen.

There are many a conspiracy out there but in this one thing -- smart meters, people are as awake more so than any other thing if it's kind. So, yeah, I get that TV's, XBox etc can do what they do, but this is not something to laugh off as tin hat paranoia in that it controls every gadget you mention and whether you can use it.

What this all means is that we will be never be off the grid again and it is only a matter of time before this unit is put in by law. Some have already been arrested for not allowing them and these are everyday people who don't surf forums like this. Smart meters have the capability to work with other tech, be it your personal equipment or eyes in the sky. To me, that is pretty scary.

If anyone gets a chance look at all the people with petitions against these things who are not your normal conspiracy types.

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08-04-2016, 07:39 PM #4
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(08-04-2016, 05:03 PM)The Zone Wrote:  While I agree that technology must advance, the concerns here are more legitimate to me.  Firstly, yes they provide common sense help to the utility companies, but they can also be used by others and hacked,  The following are stone cold facts -

- They emit and have the capability to emit harmful waves to human beings, animals and even plant life.

Guess i would need to examine the proof these rays are harmful.  A smart meter is simply a basic meter with the capabilities to transmit data without wires.  Wifi if you will.  

Personally for the large part of my day, I am 14 feet from an active smart meter.  Roughly 20 feet from my wireless router.  I have been in this situation for 2 or so years now.  I am not a sickly person.  I have no health problems.

Guess I'd need to scrutinize the claims wifi is harmful.  Knowing so many "doctors" sell "expert" opinions I'd be the first to examine the source of said claims.

I'm not a shill, hopefully i don't need to elaborate with my posting history here.  However I am awash in "radiation" and have been for a long time.  Yet no health issues.




- Information has been readily sold by utility companies to data miners about consumer usage.  In California they enacted a bill to eliminate this/

While that is plausible its kinda hard to believe.  Power and Light is the biggest arm of corporate America, it is the strongest lobby behind Aipac.  I just don't see them needing to compromise customer data for a few more pennies.

Sides, they don't have the data you think they do. Outside of monitoring how much amperage and when you are using it, theres nothing "smart" about these meters.  




- The unit communicates with other units and they can be HACKED where thieves, big bro, etc can know when you are home.

Can only scratch my head on this.  Assuming it is hackable (and idk) who would want to hack one?  These meters don't send the kinds of data you think they do.  I think you've come across some fear porn information Zone.  What you need to remind yourself is who always wants you to be afraid.  If you ever forget just turn on fox news.



- They monitor minute by minute usage, meaning they can know when you turn on a light at 3 a.m. to take a tinker.  

Not really.  The power used by a home is constantly fluctuating. They can count the joules but they don't know whats using it.

Let me say this, to join any electrical union in the US, they all require Algebra taken high school or Algebra college credits because a large part to the technical side of electricity is averages and guess work.  Dealing with unknowns. To say they know when your pulling an extra 60w... I'm gonna have to say no.


- In Canada, they are going to start using these to charge tiered prices.  IOW, you pay ,more for peak time.  This in turn, will allow them to say your carbon footprint is too big in the future and cut you back or off.

Hopefully we both agree global warming is a massive scam to begin with.  If not take a look at Al Gore and follow the money.



- They would allow for the government to have complete grid control and shut us off at any time.

They already have this power, have had it for decades.  Long before smart meters.



- The price of electricity has gone steadily up, yet Tesla said it should be free.  If big bro controls the power, they control us.  Instead of having to shut down sites, as you say, a flip of the switch will allow that to happen.

Electricity is surprising easy to "create".  You only need a workforce.  Take the alternator on your car.  This is nothing more then a 12v generator producing electricity for various components in your car. Stored power from the battery gives the juice to crank the starter, which turns over the engine and begins the combustion chain eventually forcing the rotation of the alternator.

They make 120v alternators.  You only need something to turn it.  Water source, wind source, ect.

Solar power is not really viable.  Its components are very expensive (thank big oil for this).  By the time you think you are beginning to save money is the time when things like batteries need replaced.



There are many a conspiracy out there but in this one thing -- smart meters, people are as awake more so than any other thing if it's kind.  So, yeah, I get that TV's, XBox etc can do what they do, but this is not something to laugh off as tin hat paranoia in that it controls every gadget you mention and whether you can use it.

What this all means is that we will be never be off the grid again and it is only a matter of time before this unit is put in by law.  Some have already been arrested for not allowing them and these are everyday people who don't surf forums like this.  Smart meters have the capability to work with other tech, be it your personal equipment or eyes in the sky.  To me, that is pretty scary.  

If anyone gets a chance look at all the people with petitions against these things who are not your normal conspiracy types.


Guess were gonna have to agree to disagree on this Zone.  I've installed and pulled smart meters.  There is really nothing nefarious about them.

If it bothers you it can easily be disabled by surrounding it with conductive material, like 1/4 inch layer of aluminum foil. However doing this blocks the signals so expect an electrician to visit to find out why your meter is not broadcasting.

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miss me and that what misses me was never meant for me"

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08-04-2016, 08:33 PM #5
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(08-04-2016, 07:39 PM)Alex Wrote:  
(08-04-2016, 05:03 PM)The Zone Wrote:  While I agree that technology must advance, the concerns here are more legitimate to me.  Firstly, yes they provide common sense help to the utility companies, but they can also be used by others and hacked,  The following are stone cold facts -

- They emit and have the capability to emit harmful waves to human beings, animals and even plant life.

Guess i would need to examine the proof these rays are harmful.  A smart meter is simply a basic meter with the capabilities to transmit data without wires.  Wifi if you will.  

Personally for the large part of my day, I am 14 feet from an active smart meter.  Roughly 20 feet from my wireless router.  I have been in this situation for 2 or so years now.  I am not a sickly person.  I have no health problems.

Guess I'd need to scrutinize the claims wifi is harmful.  Knowing so many "doctors" sell "expert" opinions I'd be the first to examine the source of said claims.

I'm not a shill, hopefully i don't need to elaborate with my posting history here.  However I am awash in "radiation" and have been for a long time.  Yet no health issues.




- Information has been readily sold by utility companies to data miners about consumer usage.  In California they enacted a bill to eliminate this/

While that is plausible its kinda hard to believe.  Power and Light is the biggest arm of corporate America, it is the strongest lobby behind Aipac.  I just don't see them needing to compromise customer data for a few more pennies.

Sides, they don't have the data you think they do. Outside of monitoring how much amperage and when you are using it, theres nothing "smart" about these meters.  




- The unit communicates with other units and they can be HACKED where thieves, big bro, etc can know when you are home.

Can only scratch my head on this.  Assuming it is hackable (and idk) who would want to hack one?  These meters don't send the kinds of data you think they do.  I think you've come across some fear porn information Zone.  What you need to remind yourself is who always wants you to be afraid.  If you ever forget just turn on fox news.



- They monitor minute by minute usage, meaning they can know when you turn on a light at 3 a.m. to take a tinker.  

Not really.  The power used by a home is constantly fluctuating. They can count the joules but they don't know whats using it.

Let me say this, to join any electrical union in the US, they all require Algebra taken high school or Algebra college credits because a large part to the technical side of electricity is averages and guess work.  Dealing with unknowns. To say they know when your pulling an extra 60w... I'm gonna have to say no.


- In Canada, they are going to start using these to charge tiered prices.  IOW, you pay ,more for peak time.  This in turn, will allow them to say your carbon footprint is too big in the future and cut you back or off.

Hopefully we both agree global warming is a massive scam to begin with.  If not take a look at Al Gore and follow the money.



- They would allow for the government to have complete grid control and shut us off at any time.

They already have this power, have had it for decades.  Long before smart meters.



- The price of electricity has gone steadily up, yet Tesla said it should be free.  If big bro controls the power, they control us.  Instead of having to shut down sites, as you say, a flip of the switch will allow that to happen.

Electricity is surprising easy to "create".  You only need a workforce.  Take the alternator on your car.  This is nothing more then a 12v generator producing electricity for various components in your car. Stored power from the battery gives the juice to crank the starter, which turns over the engine and begins the combustion chain eventually forcing the rotation of the alternator.

They make 120v alternators.  You only need something to turn it.  Water source, wind source, ect.

Solar power is not really viable.  Its components are very expensive (thank big oil for this).  By the time you think you are beginning to save money is the time when things like batteries need replaced.



There are many a conspiracy out there but in this one thing -- smart meters, people are as awake more so than any other thing if it's kind.  So, yeah, I get that TV's, XBox etc can do what they do, but this is not something to laugh off as tin hat paranoia in that it controls every gadget you mention and whether you can use it.

What this all means is that we will be never be off the grid again and it is only a matter of time before this unit is put in by law.  Some have already been arrested for not allowing them and these are everyday people who don't surf forums like this.  Smart meters have the capability to work with other tech, be it your personal equipment or eyes in the sky.  To me, that is pretty scary.  

If anyone gets a chance look at all the people with petitions against these things who are not your normal conspiracy types.


Guess were gonna have to agree to disagree on this Zone.  I've installed and pulled smart meters.  There is really nothing nefarious about them.

If it bothers you it can easily be disabled by surrounding it with conductive material, like 1/4 inch layer of aluminum foil.  However doing this blocks the signals so expect an electrician to visit to find out why your meter is not broadcasting.  

Trust me, I research and don't fall a lot of scare porn. Yes, they have always had the power to cut off the WHOLE grid but not individual houses, etc.

The meter give off a lot more waves in that they communicate a ton more than a Smart TV or appliance, web connected game consoles etc. If this weren't the case, they would not be so controversial. That and combined with privacy issues. The more smart devices a household has, the more information can be obtained.

Perhaps you need you need to read the red tape on data collection and or the fineprint. It is pretty open and trust me when I say there is a lot more than pennies in data mining which research proves.

The bottom line is that I never said anything about getting sick, that was a generalization on your part. There are some freak show vids out there who think these things can climb down your chimney and enter your soul. I am not one of those peeps.

Ask yourself why they would arrest people for trying to reject these meters and why they will in time insist upon them. Also, any WIFI device is hackable and the whole point is that big bro could hack the power company if they would even have to do that. Information is power and these things are called ''smart,'' for a reason.

I do not think my newly installed SM is a demon, but I see too much data and court proceedings in varying states to think it is harmless as well. On the surface they seem harmless but notice that they are trying to slip these things in without a lot of disclosure, studies on possible side effects and an openness about their abilities beyond saving the company money and allowing them to shut off dead beats without getting bit by a dog Big Grin :

So as a meter reader or installer, look out for a lot of people don't like these things ... Rolleyes

I do have to laugh at the fact you can disable it with a tin foil hat, lol


08-05-2016, 05:18 AM #6
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Guess I could go join the Amish out in the country.

Though i notice theyve been using smart phones quite a  lot...bah always playing on them while theyre here in town. Not sure what lifes like on in the villages anymore. A bit different from when i was a kid i assume.

I know you're coming in the night like a thief, but I've had some time alone, to hone my lying technique. I know you think that I'm someone you can trust, but I'm scared I'll get scared, and I swear I'll try to nail you back up. So do you think that we could work out a sign, so I'll know it's you and that it's over so I won't even try? I know you're coming for the people like me. We've all got wood and nails, turned out in a hate factory.
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