#Login Register
The Vigilant Citizen Forums
Martin Luther King Jr., Good or Bad?

07-13-2016, 06:25 PM #1
Status: Offline Posts:169 Likes Received:317
I am going into this thread with an honest search for truth. I have had a dislike for MLK for quite some time now. I was raised believing he was a communist and immoral. Don't get me wrong, I do not like or advocate slavery which some have misunderstood over the years. I just have not agreed that they used MLK as the poster boy for the movement.

Honestly, I do not have a solid opinion anymore. I do not know if he was one of histories greatest frauds or if he was one of the greatest historical figures. I used to be a lot more certain, but not so much anymore.

What do you think? Was he a great man that helped blacks receive equal rights or was he a communist in disguise laying the ground work for racial division/racial wars? I've read a lot of material that would support both viewpoints. Do you have any good input, articles, videos, that would support why you believe the way you do other than what public schools teach?

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

Thomas Jefferson

07-13-2016, 08:17 PM #2
Status: Offline Posts:717 Likes Received:779
I haven't looked into MLK since I learned about him in my childhood days. If there's an article that has the full truth on this matter, I would like to give it a read.  Exclamation

True statements:
"When evil men plot, good men must plan. When evil men burn and bomb, good men must build and bind. When evil men shout ugly words of hatred, good men must commit themselves to the glories of love. Where evil men would seek to perpetuate an unjust status quo, good men must seek to bring into being a real order of justice."

"A religion true to its nature must also be concerned about man's social conditions....

Any religion that professes to be concerned with the souls of men and is not concerned with the slums that damn them, the economic conditions that strangle them, and the social conditions that cripple them is a dry-as-dust religion. Such a religion is the kind the Marxists like to see - an opiate of the people."

Both these quotes point to a National Socialist revival!!

James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

"Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary. Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism." - MLK

And this is where the prophecies of Paracelsus comes in:

"Only let them believe this prophetical saying; to the thankful all flows forth from the fount of Divine love. This noble science is bestowed only on those who love justice with a devout mind, but to the deceitful, the treacherous, and the violent it is denied, because their sin's hinder the coming of God's gifts."
"...restore the true spagyric medicine of the old Egyptian Philosophy which was lost over a thousand years. He shall bring it with him and show it to the world."
"Spirit of Liberty, of science and love which must regenerate the world!"
"...things now rooting in the dark earth shall come forth to full growth and flower and bear a treasure, which is for the healing of nations..."

Revelation 22:2
in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

"Nature heals. The doctor's task consists in strengthening the natural healing powers, to direct them, and especially not to interfere with them. The dietetic treatment is the best. Through the food the power regenerates itself. Hippocratic dietetics reached a level that to our day merit our great admiration." - Henry E. Sigerist on Greek physician Hippocrates
This post was last modified: 07-13-2016, 08:55 PM by EliasP.
The following 1 user Likes EliasP's post:
  • bbsion

07-13-2016, 08:42 PM #3
Aigre Excalibur
Status: Offline Posts:3 Likes Received:3
I don't understand why you say he was immoral. I feel that the civil rights movement was a positive change in the world, overall.

07-13-2016, 10:48 PM #4
Status: Offline Posts:176 Likes Received:315
Well I heard he was quite the 'ladies's man.'

07-13-2016, 11:17 PM #5
Status: Offline Posts:1,303 Likes Received:799
I appreciate his efforts. Growing up he was considered a hero in my eyes but as I got older I can see him for the controlled puppet he was. I don't believe he knew he was being controlled to keep blacks in order ( turn the other cheek, love your enemy your slave master...)

Once Malcolm X got in his ear and put him up on game his message started to change. That's when they killed him ! I no longer support his message but I respect his efforts I guess ?
This post was last modified: 07-14-2016, 03:24 AM by Yahda.

The following 4 users Like Yahda's post:
  • BaronAmity, KoncreteMind, EliasP, Freetoday

07-14-2016, 01:39 AM #6
Status: Offline Posts:1,384 Likes Received:2323
From what I know of him, it seems the FBI was putting in overtime to discredit him. 

Supposedly his adulterous ways were a means to discredit him and make him out to be a hypocrite.

His brand of civil rights always held higher appeal in my eyes than that of Malcolm, but they were both killed so either they outlived their usefulness or were becoming threats.

The Continuation of the Truth

Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord . [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
The following 2 users Like damien50's post:
  • Bakou, EliasP

07-14-2016, 05:14 AM #7
Status: Offline Posts:1,610 Likes Received:1357
I agree with Yahda. He was a puppet. Desegregation was the worst thing blacks could do in this country as it eliminated the communal aspect they had before. MLK eventually realized this according to

Harry Belafonte on MLK:
Quote:Midway through the Civil Rights movement, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. realized that the struggle for integration would ultimately become a struggle for economic rights. I remember the last time we were together, at my home, shortly before he was murdered. He seemed quite agitated and preoccupied, and I asked him what the problem was. "I've come upon something that disturbs me deeply," he said. "We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know that we will win. But I've come to believe we're integrating into a burning house."

That statement took me aback. It was the last thing I would have expected to hear, considering the nature of our struggle, and I asked him what he meant. "I'm afraid that America may be losing what moral vision she may have had," he answered. "And I'm afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears at the soul of this nation.".

My 2 cents. While we're at it, I think Malcolm sold out at one point to. But he realized his mistake (imo) in the end. Not sure if MLK did or not. Undecided
The following 2 users Like KoncreteMind's post:
  • bbsion, damien50

07-14-2016, 10:17 AM #8
Status: Offline Posts:1,384 Likes Received:2323
Was there really any proper course of action for blacks though?  They were the minority and even when building amazing communities they were still nothing.

Africa wasn't really an option, so whether they follow either M it seems as if no suitable outcome would be in sight unless they all died and became whites.

The Continuation of the Truth

Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord . [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

07-14-2016, 10:28 AM #9
Kung Fu
Status: Offline Posts:3,723 Likes Received:9569
El-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz, was the real hero of the Civil Rights Movement. He was a great man and may God Almighty be pleased with him.

Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi wasalam) said:

"My similitude and that of the life of this world is that of a traveler who took a rest at mid-day under a shade of a tree and then left it."       (Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim)

The following 3 users Like Kung Fu's post:
  • Alex, Freetoday, BaronAmity

07-14-2016, 10:58 AM #10
Status: Online Posts:135 Likes Received:217
He stood for equality and justice among all people (blacks or whites). Always advocated non-violence. Was shot by the goverment and the people behind it.

Can't help you if you hate him.

Always like to play this one : 

This post was last modified: 07-14-2016, 10:59 AM by Bakou.
The following 2 users Like Bakou's post:
  • EliasP, damien50