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02-17-2016, 07:47 PM #1
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If Jesus came to confirm the old law and the Torah ...

... why did the Judaic priesthood (seek to) kill Him?

Shouldn't they have embraced Him if this was the case?

Faith receives, love gives. No one will be able to receive without faith. No one will be able to give without love. Because of this, in order that we may indeed receive, we believe, and in order that we may love, we give, since if one gives without love, he has no profit from what he has given. He who has received something other than the Lord is still a Hebrew. - Gospel of Philip
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02-18-2016, 03:15 PM #2
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(02-17-2016, 07:47 PM)Artful Revealer Wrote:  If Jesus came to confirm the old law and the Torah ...

... why did the Judaic priesthood (seek to) kill Him?

Shouldn't they have embraced Him if this was the case?

Because the Judaic priesthood was corrupted to no end. Jews, have always had problems with their prophets, and so the case remains with Jesus(pbuh) as well. Jesus(pbuh), was sent to them due to their corruption and hypocrisy and that's exactly what Jesus(pbuh) pointed out to them but of course they didn't like that at all, just as hypocrites in today's world don't like being called out.

Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi wasalam) said:

"My similitude and that of the life of this world is that of a traveler who took a rest at mid-day under a shade of a tree and then left it."       (Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim)

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02-18-2016, 03:36 PM #3
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(02-18-2016, 03:15 PM)Kung Fu Wrote:  
(02-17-2016, 07:47 PM)Artful Revealer Wrote:  If Jesus came to confirm the old law and the Torah ...

... why did the Judaic priesthood (seek to) kill Him?

Shouldn't they have embraced Him if this was the case?

Because the Judaic priesthood was corrupted to no end. Jews, have always had problems with their prophets, and so the case remains with Jesus(pbuh) as well. Jesus(pbuh), was sent to them due to their corruption and hypocrisy and that's exactly what Jesus(pbuh) pointed out to them but of course they didn't like that at all, just as hypocrites in today's world don't like being called out.

The Pharisees and priests had no real concern for the law.  That is why

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.
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02-18-2016, 03:44 PM #4
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(02-18-2016, 03:36 PM)sPEktrall Wrote:  The Pharisees and priests had no real concern for the law.  That is why

Not only no concern for the law, but no concern for God's commandments.  They worshiped mammon instead of God.  Pharisees and priests led the Lost Sheep of Israel  astray - astray from worshiping God and from keeping His commandments - so Jesus was sent to guide them back to the Straight Path.


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02-18-2016, 04:18 PM #5
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(02-17-2016, 07:47 PM)Artful Revealer Wrote:  If Jesus came to confirm the old law and the Torah ...

... why did the Judaic priesthood (seek to) kill Him?

Shouldn't they have embraced Him if this was the case?


And lose their power and control of the people?

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  1John 4:1

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8
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02-18-2016, 04:19 PM #6
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(02-18-2016, 03:44 PM)khadeejah Wrote:  
(02-18-2016, 03:36 PM)sPEktrall Wrote:  The Pharisees and priests had no real concern for the law.  That is why

Not only no concern for the law, but no concern for God's commandments.  They worshiped mammon instead of God.  Pharisees and priests led the Lost Sheep of Israel  astray - astray from worshiping God and from keeping His commandments - so Jesus was sent to guide them back to the Straight Path.

What path was that?

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  1John 4:1

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8

02-18-2016, 04:45 PM #7
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(02-18-2016, 04:19 PM)Lisa Wrote:  What path was that?

Make your own thread on what path you think, Khadeejah was implying. This question will only lead to derailment.
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Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi wasalam) said:

"My similitude and that of the life of this world is that of a traveler who took a rest at mid-day under a shade of a tree and then left it."       (Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim)

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02-18-2016, 04:46 PM #8
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(02-18-2016, 04:19 PM)Lisa Wrote:  
(02-18-2016, 03:44 PM)khadeejah Wrote:  
(02-18-2016, 03:36 PM)sPEktrall Wrote:  The Pharisees and priests had no real concern for the law.  That is why

Not only no concern for the law, but no concern for God's commandments.  They worshiped mammon instead of God.  Pharisees and priests led the Lost Sheep of Israel  astray - astray from worshiping God and from keeping His commandments - so Jesus was sent to guide them back to the Straight Path.

What path was that?

Worshiping God and keeping His commandments.  In essence, submission to His will.


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02-18-2016, 06:23 PM #9
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Just stating that the Judaic priesthood had forsaken the law or corrupted it remains speculation so far. Claims that the Pharisees forsook the guidance of the Torah are mostly claims based on statements of faith lacking specific verifiable evidence. The Priestly Source of the Documentary Hypothesis, the theory ascribing parts of the Old Testament to the writings of the Kohanim during their Babylonian exile (the name Pharisee is probably derived from parsi), has never been mentioned as far as I know. Kohanim are named after their eponymous ancestor: Cain. They are the sacrificial priests during the Second Temple period. Before they dwellt among the Hebrews, they were called Kenites (also derived from Cain). Moses stems from a Kenite tribe (Midians). He started worshiping the Kenite god under the guidance of his father-in-law, Jethro the Kenite priest. Moses learnt to sacrifice to the Kenite god from Jethro. (see Kenite Hypothesis)

Just stating they, these sacrificial cultists, were corrupt, led astray or didn't follow the law doesn't suffice, since many of the laws were probably written by them.


Who can then draw the line between their laws and those ordained by God himself?

Faith receives, love gives. No one will be able to receive without faith. No one will be able to give without love. Because of this, in order that we may indeed receive, we believe, and in order that we may love, we give, since if one gives without love, he has no profit from what he has given. He who has received something other than the Lord is still a Hebrew. - Gospel of Philip
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02-18-2016, 06:37 PM #10
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(02-18-2016, 06:23 PM)Artful Revealer Wrote:  Just stating that the Judaic priesthood had forsaken the law or corrupted it remains speculation so far. Claims that the Pharisees forsook the guidance of the Torah are mostly claims based on statements of faith lacking specific verifiable evidence. The Priestly Source of the Documentary Hypothesis, the theory ascribing parts of the Old Testament to the writings of the Kohanim during their Babylonian exile (the name Pharisee is probably derived from parsi), has never been mentioned as far as I know. Kohanim are named after their eponymous ancestor: Cain. They are the sacrificial priests during the Second Temple period. Before they dwellt among the Hebrews, they were called Kenites (also derived from Cain). Moses stems from a Kenite tribe (Midians). He started worshiping the Kenite god under the guidance of his father-in-law, Jethro the Kenite priest. Moses learnt to sacrifice to the Kenite god from Jethro. (see Kenite Hypothesis)

Just stating they, these sacrificial cultists, were corrupt, led astray or didn't follow the law doesn't suffice, since many of the laws were probably written by them.


Who can then draw the line between their laws and those ordained by God himself?

Cain's line was wiped out during the flood.  Seth carried on after Adam to bring us Noah and so on.

The Continuation of the Truth

Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord . [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.