(01-11-2016, 02:04 PM)Riddler Wrote: Christ himself, and his teachings, always referred to the actual old testament.
he always spoke of being sent to do the will of the Father in Heavens, God.
he was subjected to His divine will, to speak about the Kingdom of Heavens.
He literally said that he did nothing out of his own will, but that of the Father.
Christ followed and worshipped God, aswell.
That's what we Muslims have been saying about Jesus -Peace be upon him - since our time in these forums. Many of the Christians here deny it even though it is written in the Gospels.
(01-11-2016, 02:04 PM)Riddler Wrote: If i understand correctly, does a Muslim not 'in western terms' mean being 'subjected to God'?
Precisely. The prefix "mu" is used to designate the one who does or has whatever root word the "mu" is attached to. So, "Muslim" means someone who does /has Islam (and Islam means submitting to will of God). Other examples of this usage are:
"Mu'min" - someone who does or has belief/faith (eeman)
and "Muhsin" - someone who does or has goodness (ihsaan).
(01-11-2016, 02:04 PM)Riddler Wrote: Would that then, not actually mean that, a honest 'christian', thus one who sees Christ as an example,
and not as the heretic catholic views of him being god or part of a godhead,
would that not mean that these 'honest christians', are Muslims aswell?
despite offcourse they don't believe in mohammed as a prophet?
again, not intending to be demeaning at all.
No offense taken. If one truly submitted to the will of God then he would follow Muhammad who is God's Final Messenger to all of mankind. That is why today it is the fastest growing religion in the world and Muslims are not only Arabs but come from every nation and tribe on earth.
God sent Moses with scripture and law to the Israelites. When God sent Jesus to them with the gospel and clarification of the law, they were supposed to follow him. Some did and many didn't.
When God sent Muhammad to all of mankind - all of mankind are supposed to follow him. Some do and many don't.
The message God gave to Muhammad (the Quran and Sunnah) clarifies and abrogates all previous scriptures and laws. No new messenger or message will be sent after the Quran and that is why the Quran has been preserved and remains exactly as it was when it was revealed.
So christians who claim to submit to the will of God but deny that Muhammad is the Messenger of God, are not really submitting to the will of God - or being 'muslim." And that is from a Muslims' standpoint, no offense.