(11-28-2015, 09:25 AM)Lisa Wrote:
(11-28-2015, 08:46 AM)Sidhuriel Wrote:
(11-28-2015, 03:22 AM)sarcasm Wrote: [quote='sophiaponders' pid='35414' dateline='1448692836']
got questions? go ahead... i dont want to convert you. all i want is peace. ask me what you want. i respect all but hate EVIL... and God is one. God hates evil too/
The wages of Sin are Death.
But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Christians believe (well at least the kind of Christians I hang with) thatt those who haven't come to Christ will perish and not be granted eternal life with God. The lake of fire is symbolic for the eternal destruction of all that is evil and vile. It is not a place of torment.
Those who did not know of Christ or are otherwise unable to come to Him will be judged in mercy by God. And as he is eternally good one can expect the outcome to be fair.
If the lake of fire isn't a place of torment-why is there weeping and gnashing of teeth there?
There are only two outcomes-belief in Jesus and the lake of fire.
Because those who are alive on the last day will be cast into the lake of fire while still alive. They will perish. Gods goodness is shown by the fact that he does not condemn anyone to eternal suffering.
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus refers to geena
three times. He warned the Pharisees of the damnation of geena
. The nature and effect of the fire is described in the Bible as "unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43-48; Luke 3:9
) or "everlasting fire" (Matthew 25:41
). This fire will cleanse the earth (2 Peter 3:10-12; Luke 3:17
) after the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5
The word aiónios
, which means "everlasting," is used to describe the fate of the righteous as well as the wicked. The punishment of the wicked is everlasting death. The fire itself
is not everlasting, but the final consequence
of the fire—death—is everlasting.
This principle is clearly demonstrated in the Scriptures. In Malachi 4:1-3, speaking of that last day when the earth and all the wicked are burned up, God tells the prophet, "behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this."
Ashes and stubble indicate that the fire is out. The wicked do not burn eternally, but their destruction is final. Their pain and suffering is over, as is their life of sin and rebellion. God has mercy even on the wicked in that He does not allow them to suffer eternally.
Similarly, Jude 7 says, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance
of eternal fire" (emphasis added). The fires are no longer burning, but the consequences of the fires are everlasting.
In the Bible, the word for "destruction" means total and irreversible obliteration. For example, God sent the Flood to destroy—make non-existent—all life on Earth (Genesis 6 and 7
). Later in history, God often required the Israelites to destroy their war plunder as an offering to Him. This was done through killing the livestock, and burning the plunder until only ash remained. (Numbers 21:2-3; Joshua 6:21
This definition of a state
irreversible destruction is what we see throughout Scripture in relation to the punishment for those who choose to reject God:
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed (Exodus 22:20).
And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed (Isaiah 1:18).
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9).
Like the pain of dying—which eventually culminates in death—the punishment for those who reject God lasts for only a while. Eventually, the destruction is complete and they simply cease to exist.
The belief in eternal hellfire is pagan; it comes from ancient traditions and is visible in all big pagan religions like Hinduism; Catholiscism etc..