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The Source Of The Worlds Problems & The Myth That Christianity Keeps The World Back


10-14-2015, 11:09 AM #1
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The Source Of The Worlds Problems & The Myth That Christianity Keeps The World Back From Progress

I hear all the time in this American culture that religion is holding the world back from progress.  They use the word religion, but since its a nation that outwardly identifies as Christian then it can be assumed that one(religion) is thought of...

I would like for someone to explain to me in their own words how the following is keeping the world back from progress...

Exodus 20:12-17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

Matthew 5:38-44Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thycloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

James 1:27Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

2 Timothy 2:24-25Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Let me also ask this question.  If you take away Christianity and Islam what kind of world do you think you are left with?  One with peace and acceptance?  One without greed or materialism?  One without politics, republicans vs democrats and various other dividing factions that MAN created?  Would the world really change, or would new groups arise in Christianity's place?  What does it say when people imply that religion holds the world back, yet in the next breath contend that it was MAN(in the first place) that created religion?  What does that say about MAN?

 
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Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.
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10-14-2015, 11:16 AM #2
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You seem to be assuming that people who think men created religion and religion holds us back think humans are perfect and without religion everything would be swell. Religion can hold us back and men can have created religion and men can also be flawed.

For what it's worth, when most people say that religion held back science and progress they are mostly talking about things like the Inquisition and times when monarchs ruled over countries and their religious beliefs held sway. Those times really hurt humanity and our progress, but these days it's not quite the same because religion doesn't hold as much sway or power as it once did. Where would we be as a peoples if the Inquisition never happened or if rulers supported science and invention rather than religion? Who knows? We can never be sure. We can assume that we'd at least be somewhat farther along because some discoveries would have been made sooner, but how much farther along is impossible to know.

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10-14-2015, 11:22 AM #3
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(10-14-2015, 11:16 AM)Loki Wrote:  You seem to be assuming that people who think men created religion and religion holds us back think humans are perfect and without religion everything would be swell. Religion can hold us back and men can have created religion and men can also be flawed.

For what it's worth, when most people say that religion held back science and progress they are mostly talking about things like the Inquisition and times when monarchs ruled over countries and their religious beliefs held sway. Those times really hurt humanity and our progress, but these days it's not quite the same because religion doesn't hold as much sway or power as it once did. Where would we be as a peoples if the Inquisition never happened or if rulers supported science and invention rather than religion? Who knows? We can never be sure. We can assume that we'd at least be somewhat farther along because some discoveries would have been made sooner, but how much farther along is impossible to know.
I think it means holding back as in not approving homosexuality or abortion... I agree that it doesn't hold sway though.   Instead of their saying that "religion holds back"  they mean "religious people are backwards"...


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10-14-2015, 11:25 AM #4
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Let me also ask this question.  If you take away Christianity and Islam what kind of world do you think you are left with?  One with peace and acceptance?  One without greed or materialism?  One without politics, republicans vs democrats and various other dividing factions that MAN created?  Would the world really change, or would new groups arise in Christianity's place?  What does it say when people imply that religion holds the world back, yet in the next breath contend that it was MAN(in the first place) that created religion?  What does that say about MAN?

 
You aren't equating Christianity with islam are you spek?

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Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8
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10-14-2015, 11:27 AM #5
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(10-14-2015, 11:22 AM)khadeejah Wrote:  
(10-14-2015, 11:16 AM)Loki Wrote:  You seem to be assuming that people who think men created religion and religion holds us back think humans are perfect and without religion everything would be swell. Religion can hold us back and men can have created religion and men can also be flawed.

For what it's worth, when most people say that religion held back science and progress they are mostly talking about things like the Inquisition and times when monarchs ruled over countries and their religious beliefs held sway. Those times really hurt humanity and our progress, but these days it's not quite the same because religion doesn't hold as much sway or power as it once did. Where would we be as a peoples if the Inquisition never happened or if rulers supported science and invention rather than religion? Who knows? We can never be sure. We can assume that we'd at least be somewhat farther along because some discoveries would have been made sooner, but how much farther along is impossible to know.
I think it means holding back as in not approving homosexuality or abortion... I agree that it doesn't hold sway though.   Instead of their saying that "religion holds back"  they mean "religious people are backwards"...

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10-14-2015, 11:29 AM #6
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(10-14-2015, 11:16 AM)Loki Wrote:  You seem to be assuming that people who think men created religion and religion holds us back think humans are perfect and without religion everything would be swell. Religion can hold us back and men can have created religion and men can also be flawed.


So basically men keep creating flawed systems that harm us and dont work?

Quote:For what it's worth, when most people say that religion held back science and progress they are mostly talking about things like the Inquisition and times when monarchs ruled over countries and their religious beliefs held sway. Those times really hurt humanity and our progress, but these days it's not quite the same because religion doesn't hold as much sway or power as it once did. Where would we be as a peoples if the Inquisition never happened or if rulers supported science and invention rather than religion? Who knows? We can never be sure. We can assume that we'd at least be somewhat farther along because some discoveries would have been made sooner, but how much farther along is impossible to know.


Did the Monarchs have the Biblical grounds to impose a theocracy and murder dissidents?  

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.

10-14-2015, 11:30 AM #7
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(10-14-2015, 11:25 AM)Lisa Wrote:  Let me also ask this question.  If you take away Christianity and Islam what kind of world do you think you are left with?  One with peace and acceptance?  One without greed or materialism?  One without politics, republicans vs democrats and various other dividing factions that MAN created?  Would the world really change, or would new groups arise in Christianity's place?  What does it say when people imply that religion holds the world back, yet in the next breath contend that it was MAN(in the first place) that created religion?  What does that say about MAN?

 
You aren't equating Christianity with islam are you spek?

  The two biggest religions in the world.  Everything Spek posted in the OP is true in Islam too -  Ten Commandments and Jesus' teachings.  They have a lot more in common than you think Lisa.


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10-14-2015, 11:30 AM #8
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(10-14-2015, 11:09 AM)sPEktrall Wrote:  Let me also ask this question.  If you take away Islam what kind of world do you think you are left with?




10-14-2015, 11:37 AM #9
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This whole "man created religion" idea is nonsense - I can prove it.

Explain the Qur'an? A living miracle - far too advanced for its' time, containing information which scientists used to scoff at - until science eventually caught up with the Qur'an? The historical value of the stories which check out through archaeology - secrets to world mysteries, the fact that the style of divine speech contained within has remained unmatched for over 14 centuries since its revelation - and much MUCH more besides - do not make this a man made work - no. It is divine, claims itself to be of divine origin - and has an acid test contained within promising that no human may match even one surah of it - even if they expended hundreds of lifetimes in the attempt to do so.

And so far, no one has been able to disprove it - any of it...

...so no - The idea that religion is man made does not apply to the Abrahamic tradtitions...

....you're all missing the point anyway.

The better question would be "Does it cause trouble when man writes scripture according to his own bias?" - and that is when we can really make some progress here - the answers to this question will lead us into an historical investigation of the faiths to see which holy books aren't really so "holy" - because man wrote them according his own bias... and that - shows us one thing.

God is perfect - his religion is perfect - but mankind is not perfect, flawed and treacherous to his own self.

The only proof sufficient for this understanding is knowing that the Qur'an remains perfect, unmolested by human bias - as God intended. But that's not the only proof is it? the Qur'an gives us more proofs within it Smile and that is what really seals the conviction.

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). - Qur'an 15:9

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...I'll meet you there.
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10-14-2015, 11:45 AM #10
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(10-14-2015, 11:30 AM)khadeejah Wrote:  
(10-14-2015, 11:25 AM)Lisa Wrote:  Let me also ask this question.  If you take away Christianity and Islam what kind of world do you think you are left with?  One with peace and acceptance?  One without greed or materialism?  One without politics, republicans vs democrats and various other dividing factions that MAN created?  Would the world really change, or would new groups arise in Christianity's place?  What does it say when people imply that religion holds the world back, yet in the next breath contend that it was MAN(in the first place) that created religion?  What does that say about MAN?

 
You aren't equating Christianity with islam are you spek?

  The two biggest religions in the world.  Everything Spek posted in the OP is true in Islam too -  Ten Commandments and Jesus' teachings.  They have a lot more in common than you think Lisa.

No not really. Jesus is God-you can't actually say that Khadeejah-so we don't have much in common at all.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  1John 4:1

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8
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