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10-13-2015, 06:50 PM #1
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Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

 

IMO. All religions are manmade and all God’s are projections of man’s desires for supremacy and to be the Alpha male of the human race. Survival of the fittest and our desire to be the fittest human is what drives us and keeps mankind progressing and evolving.

 

I offer the following to prove my case.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-father-complex.htm

 

This last shows the Gnostic Christian understanding of seeking the ideal human and Jesus archetype that we call Jesus the good.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

 

The choice people have is to believe that religions are ultimately products of a supernatural God who dictates policy to humans, who then pen them into holy books, and we have many Gods who are of this ilk, or to recognize that all these Gods are products of man’s imagination.

 

Proof for manmade Gods is obvious. Men have created the documentation of what they think.

 

Proof for a supernatural God has yet to be shown other than humans who say they wrote what was dictated by a God. Some do not see that as proof.

 

I think the proof we have of God’s being manmade is that no real supernatural God has ever bothered to correct any of the contradicting information about him, her or it. No God has ever corrected us.

 

Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

 

Why do you think that way?

 

Regards

DL
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10-14-2015, 07:22 AM #2
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(10-13-2015, 06:50 PM)Gnostic Bishop Wrote:  Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

IMO. All religions are manmade and all God’s are projections of man’s desires for supremacy and to be the Alpha male of the human race. Survival of the fittest and our desire to be the fittest human is what drives us and keeps mankind progressing and evolving.

I offer the following to prove my case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-father-complex.htm


This last shows the Gnostic Christian understanding of seeking the ideal human and Jesus archetype that we call Jesus the good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

The choice people have is to believe that religions are ultimately products of a supernatural God who dictates policy to humans, who then pen them into holy books, and we have many Gods who are of this ilk, or to recognize that all these Gods are products of man’s imagination.

Proof for manmade Gods is obvious. Men have created the documentation of what they think.

Proof for a supernatural God has yet to be shown other than humans who say they wrote what was dictated by a God. Some do not see that as proof.

I think the proof we have of God’s being manmade is that no real supernatural God has ever bothered to correct any of the contradicting information about him, her or it. No God has ever corrected us.

Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

Why do you think that way?

Regards
DL

Welcome!

I fully and whole-heartedly agree.

Religion is man-made, this doesn't make it a bad thing though because, the intention behind it, was morally good, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, they lacked the scientific knowledge at the time to fully explain things.

If you remove God, Prophets, Miracles, Angels, Demons etc from the Holy Books - you essentially have Aesop's Fables - A book of positive messages/morals/principles which I believe, many, if not all, can adhere to.

Thank you for your thread and contribution to the forum.
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10-14-2015, 08:35 AM #3
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(10-14-2015, 07:22 AM)Goku Wrote:  
(10-13-2015, 06:50 PM)Gnostic Bishop Wrote:  Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

IMO. All religions are manmade and all God’s are projections of man’s desires for supremacy and to be the Alpha male of the human race. Survival of the fittest and our desire to be the fittest human is what drives us and keeps mankind progressing and evolving.

I offer the following to prove my case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-father-complex.htm


This last shows the Gnostic Christian understanding of seeking the ideal human and Jesus archetype that we call Jesus the good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

The choice people have is to believe that religions are ultimately products of a supernatural God who dictates policy to humans, who then pen them into holy books, and we have many Gods who are of this ilk, or to recognize that all these Gods are products of man’s imagination.

Proof for manmade Gods is obvious. Men have created the documentation of what they think.

Proof for a supernatural God has yet to be shown other than humans who say they wrote what was dictated by a God. Some do not see that as proof.

I think the proof we have of God’s being manmade is that no real supernatural God has ever bothered to correct any of the contradicting information about him, her or it. No God has ever corrected us.

Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

Why do you think that way?

Regards
DL

Welcome!

I fully and whole-heartedly agree.

Religion is man-made, this doesn't make it a bad thing because, the intention behind it, was morally good.

Unfortunately, they lacked the scientific knowledge at the time to fully explain things.

If you remove God, Prophets, Miracles, Angels, Demons etc from the Holy Books - you essentially have Aesop's Fables - A book of positive messages/morals/principles which I believe, many, if not all, can adhere to.

Thank you for your thread and contribution to the forum.

I mostly agree with what you've said here, but I'd add that sometimes I'm not entirely sure if they were crafted for "good" reasons, so to speak. Part of me thinks that religions were created as our way of explaining the unknown and teaching lessons, but another part of me thinks they were created by men who wanted to control their fellow men. What better way to gain power than to convince a certain portion of the population to behave in the way you want them to behave or else they will burn for eternity or not go to Valhalla, or whatever the case may be. But that might just be the cynic in me coming out.

On the flip side perhaps the men who crafted ancient religions did want some level of control over the populace but saw their actions as doing good for the populace. Like if people were having too many arguments end in murder you tell everyone God abhors murder and if you murder people you'll burn in Hell.

“Life is neither good or evil, but only a place for good and evil.”
Marcus Aurelius

"In my opinion, there is a more scientific approach we can take to all hot-button issues. We do this when we stop demonizing the opposing viewpoints or victimizing ourselves, and we acknowledge and account for our own biases and emotions to the best of our ability."
--- Elliott C. Morgan
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10-14-2015, 10:23 AM #4
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So the 10 commandments really keep mankind from progressing and evolving aye?  Loving your neighbor as self, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife, thou shalt not steal...    Yeah that is totally limiting human potential.   Cool

According to evolutionists we have been here millions of years.  How much longer does the human species have to wait before man evolves into a species that doesn't destroy itself?  How much longer before man corrects himself?  We are all still waiting...

If you really think about it then technically evolution is to blame for religion if religion is the byproduct of a human mind that came about by the natural processes of evolution.  It would mean man didn't really evolve, but downgraded into something that wasn't advanced enough to see how dangerous religion would be.

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.
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10-14-2015, 10:31 AM #5
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The problem standing in the way of human progression can be broken down in one word...

Sin

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.
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10-14-2015, 10:36 AM #6
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Not sin bro spek....ignorance.

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Out beyond ideas
of wrong-doing,


and right-doing,

there is a field...

...I'll meet you there.
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10-14-2015, 12:44 PM #7
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(10-14-2015, 07:22 AM)Goku Wrote:  
(10-13-2015, 06:50 PM)Gnostic Bishop Wrote:  Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

IMO. All religions are manmade and all God’s are projections of man’s desires for supremacy and to be the Alpha male of the human race. Survival of the fittest and our desire to be the fittest human is what drives us and keeps mankind progressing and evolving.

I offer the following to prove my case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-father-complex.htm


This last shows the Gnostic Christian understanding of seeking the ideal human and Jesus archetype that we call Jesus the good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

The choice people have is to believe that religions are ultimately products of a supernatural God who dictates policy to humans, who then pen them into holy books, and we have many Gods who are of this ilk, or to recognize that all these Gods are products of man’s imagination.

Proof for manmade Gods is obvious. Men have created the documentation of what they think.

Proof for a supernatural God has yet to be shown other than humans who say they wrote what was dictated by a God. Some do not see that as proof.

I think the proof we have of God’s being manmade is that no real supernatural God has ever bothered to correct any of the contradicting information about him, her or it. No God has ever corrected us.

Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

Why do you think that way?

Regards
DL

Welcome!

I fully and whole-heartedly agree.

Religion is man-made, this doesn't make it a bad thing though because, the intention behind it, was morally good, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, they lacked the scientific knowledge at the time to fully explain things.

If you remove God, Prophets, Miracles, Angels, Demons etc from the Holy Books - you essentially have Aesop's Fables - A book of positive messages/morals/principles which I believe, many, if not all, can adhere to.

Thank you for your thread and contribution to the forum.

Thanks.

I also see religions as man made but do not ascribe morality of immorality to them back then.

I think they were just created for social manipulation and control but that that came after their initial creation as entertainment for the masses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BHvN6rZZA

I am not sure though which came first. The chicken or the egg. The entertainment or the social manipulation.

Regards
DL
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10-14-2015, 12:53 PM #8
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(10-14-2015, 10:23 AM)sPEktrall Wrote:  
Quote:So the 10 commandments really keep mankind from progressing and evolving aye?  Loving your neighbor as self, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife, thou shalt not steal...    Yeah that is totally limiting human potential.   Cool

You are quite selective and forgot what, the first 4 which are the ones that are creating the idol worship which is what has limited our human potential.

If Christians and Muslims had not become idol worshiping cults, we would had had world peace a long time ago.  

Quote:According to evolutionists we have been here millions of years.  How much longer does the human species have to wait before man evolves into a species that doesn't destroy itself?  How much longer before man corrects himself?  We are all still waiting...

Yes. Mostly thanks to idol worshiping religions.

You will note though that secular governments ignore the Gods and that their laws have trumped religious laws by a mile.


Quote:If you really think about it then technically evolution is to blame for religion if religion is the byproduct of a human mind that came about by the natural processes of evolution.  It would mean man didn't really evolve, but downgraded into something that wasn't advanced enough to see how dangerous religion would be.

Religions have been corrupted. If they had not turned to idol worshiping cults, we would not likely have much of the conflict we now have.

Regards
DL
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10-14-2015, 12:57 PM #9
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(10-14-2015, 10:31 AM)sPEktrall Wrote:  The problem standing in the way of human progression can be broken down in one word...

Sin

So why do you sin?

Because you cannot help but sin as your nature demands it.

Sin is not the problem. It is that we have not reduced the harm that our sinning does.

Let me give you an old O.P. for your contemplation and opinion.

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     Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
And if you cannot, why would God punish you?
 
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by putting forward their free will argument and placing all the blame on mankind.
That usually sounds like ----God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy. Such statements simply avoid God's culpability as the author and creator of human nature.
 
Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
 
If all do evil/sin by nature then, the evil/sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not do evil/sin. Can we then help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
 
Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil and sin is all human generated and in this sense, I agree with Christians, but for completely different reasons. Evil is mankind’s responsibility and not some imaginary God’s. Free will is something that can only be taken. Free will cannot be given not even by a God unless it has been forcibly withheld.
 
Much has been written to explain evil and sin but I see as a natural part of evolution.
 
Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created. Without intent to do evil, no act should be called evil.
In secular courts, this is called mens rea. Latin for an evil mind or intent and without it, the court will not find someone guilty even if they know that they are the perpetrator of the act.
 
Evil then is only human to human when they know they are doing evil and intend harm.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil, at all times.
 
Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
 
This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.
 
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, you should see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. Wherever it came from, God or nature, without evolution we would go extinct. We must do good and evil.
 
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.
 
This link speak to theistic evolution.
 
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pope-would-you-accept-evolution-and-big-bang-180953166/?no-ist
 
If theistic evolution is true, then the myth of Eden should be read as a myth and there is not really any original sin.
 
Doing evil then is actually forced on us by evolution and the need to survive. Our default position is to cooperate or to do good. I offer this clip as proof of this. You will note that we default to good as it is better for survival.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW5vdhr_PA
 
Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
And if you cannot, why would God punish you?
 
Regards
DL 
 

10-14-2015, 12:59 PM #10
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All of mankind worships idols.

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.




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