(10-13-2015, 02:27 AM)Thunderian Wrote:
(10-13-2015, 01:32 AM)Serendipity Wrote: Can you provide me with any historical record for Jews in Palestine?
Yes, the Bible and the Quran both testify to the Jews' residence in so-called Palestine. As well, contemporary historical records -- Josephus, for instance -- tell the same story.
Quote:What about if I tell you my grandfather was born in Palestine in the 1920s and his birth certificate states that there was a state of Palestine?
There was a PLACE that was called Palestine. There was never a people called that.
Quote:Obviously, there were Palestinian Jews as there are Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
That statement does not bolster your argument.
Quote:The current Jews in Palestine come from different races and they don't even deny it. There are the Russian Jews, the Polish Jews etc.
Russian is not a race. Neither is Polish. A Jew who emigrates from Israel to Russia and back doesn't become a different race. A Jew is still a Jew.
Quote:How is it fair, in your opinion, for a random person, let's stay from any European country, who wants to convert to Judaism to actually have a 'right' to go live there, get the passport and get paid while at it just because he/she decided to convert.
It doesn't have to be fair. It's the Jews' country and they can do whatever they want with it.
Quote:However, the descendants of the people who lived there for thousands of years, live in refugee camps and can't even cross the borders to their previous/occupied homes?
They shouldn't have left their homes in the first place. There are millions of Arab citizens of Israel. Want to guess how they managed that?
Quote:I have been there myself and let me tell you this, Jews, at least the Israeli Jews aren't exactly friendly.
Jews are friendlier to Palestinians than Palestinians are to them.
The Quran does not testify to that actually. The Israel referred to in the Quran is not the same as the Israel in the current form.
So what am I if I am not Palestinian? My father, grandfather and great grandfather were born there or in the state of Palestine. So lets say that you were born in America, wouldn't you be referred to as American?
And let me get this straight, people who do not relate to the land in any way, but decided to become Jewish, all of a sudden have a right to live there because their 'so-called' religion tells them that but people who lived there for generations are not?
And yes it does relate. A lot of people think Christians are not involved in the resistance, but they are, just as the Muslims are.
Jews are not a race - just like Muslims are not a race. Palestinians are a race, however.
You blame them for leaving but put yourself in their shoes. So if someone backed by the most powerful nations in the world comes to your house and threatens to kill you and your family, wouldn't you leave? Arabs who live in Israel are not exactly happy as they are treated as second class citizen and suffer from ethnic cleansing as well.
Jews are friendlier? Okay, so I have never lived in Palestine but I have been there countless times. The last time I went, the whole journey took me around 12 hours when it could have taken me less than 2 hours had it not been for the Jews. Once I crossed the border to Jericho, the Israelis treated me like I'm less than garbage. They pointed two guns at me while checking my ID, made inappropriate sexual remarks and gestures and threw my luggage while destroying some of it as well. After I was done with all of this, I was not allowed to use the 'Israeli' highways, so instead of reaching my city in one hour, it took me three hours. When I finally reached my city, Israeli soldiers storm into my aunt's house and take her son (which has been home all day) and beat him up just for the fun of it. And that is all in one day. Imagine what Palestinians have to go through every single day. And people still expect them to be friendly. Yea right.