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Optogenetics, an old weapon with a new name!?


10-10-2015, 07:12 PM #1
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I hadn't ever heard the term optogenetics until a short while ago while watching Ancient Aliens so decided of course to do a search because it sounded interesting.

Apparently they can incite violence in mice using light but its not been used on humans yet!?

Personally I don't think this is the case at all. I remember a few years ago at the olympic games in London they were meant to be using some kind of sonic crowd dispersing weapon, which of course most people would be wondering why, its the olympic games not a riot!? Also as far as I know its been many years since its been known that some types of epilepsy are photosensitive and can be triggered by flashing lights, that alone makes me question that optogenetics is such a new thing, then theres the whole MK Ultra mind control aspect.

Anyway like I said I don't know a whole lot about it but wondered what other people think of it or how much anybody else knows about this?? I doubt its as new as they say, maybe only new to the public knowing of it but it sounds like the kind of thing that would be used to control peoples behaviour!? Wonder if its been used on the public in recent years during the riots that have been happening around the world?
Here's some links about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optogenetics

https://timothytrespas.wordpress.com/

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...yCZv4byYIR

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthre.....and-UFOs
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10-10-2015, 08:13 PM #2
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Ignorance is not so blissful for the ignorant, though ignorance may be bliss.

To not know how your thoughts are created is the ultimate mind fuck - and any method that could work has been tried for millennia.

Archimedes (in Arcadia - a most important center where the House of David or Merovingians took their friends the Benjaminites to safety in one of the eras when the Jusaeans were fed up with taxes and money grubbbing overlords) developed lenses and the use of light which had value in warfare.

I know strobe lights can cause discombobulation but I do not think it has much use other than in sleep deprivation or in combination with other methods of interogation. MK Ultra has other goals more in line with what religion does including creating visions and hallucinations - such as what people think are demons. Not to suggest there are not energies of a limited conscious potential in the ether to begin with - or transitory souls. Suggestibility and triggers to hypnotize might include a certain amount of light such as you see in the spinning wheel with the circular design - but it is the design doing the triggerring and far lesser images or icons achieve the same thing - including blackboards and pulpits or rostroms (symbols of authority - see NLP and memetics). Cymatics uses light in conjuction with sound to heal and any energy tuned to specific brainwavelengths has the potential to be abused or used for good.

The crowd control bombardment with sound (S Quad - see Sharon Weinberger and David Guyatt - I posted here) has been very effective at Ruby Ridge, Waco and in the Iraq War.

The use of light in growing things in science is a good thing and wateracre farming can generate 24 hour growth by shining light under the leaves during the usual darkness. This was something my father told me about in the 1950s and it was shortly thereafter worked with and developed in Georgetown near Toronto.
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10-10-2015, 08:33 PM #3
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This is more about making people become violent using light, in a way it sounds a bit like the things they use in the men in black that they flash in somebody eyes to affect the brain and make a person become suddenly violent and probably not even remember being violent.

The ignorance is bliss thing is my signature btw lol

10-10-2015, 08:50 PM #4
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Other than Trespas who seems a candidate for the Looney Bin (and I did not watch the vid) I saw nothing causative of violence - without the brain recognition intervening. Hypnosis and mind control work well together and will enable any command to be acted upon when people are naive enough to go to war for religion or nations. I guess you did not read Guyatt or what I suggested you search for - I will get it for you. MK Ultra was just one little aspect of a far more invasive operation which the US claims to have gotten from Germany and Japan just as they said they had to start psychic black ops to catch up with the Russians - I know better.

Here is Guyatt - who BTW was a banking executive before going rogue or telling these truths.


OOPS I will get the link to Guyatt. I know the ignorance is bliss thing is your siggy - and I screwed with that old Aristotelean or Socratian saying a little too.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar...tech11.htm

Here is part of a larger thread addressing some of this issue.

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Allen Barker, PhD Says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:39 pm

[These are my comments on the article by Sharon Weinberger in the Jan. 14, 2007 Washington Post magazine, titled “Mind Games.” The article is available online at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...01399_pf.html]

I would like to thank Ms. Weinberger for researching and writing this article. The article seems reasonably fair, based on the openly available sources describing research into areas like “voice-to-skull” technologies. That might not seem like much, except that up until now even that has been a very rare thing, indeed — especially published in a mainstream paper like the Washington Post.

As the article points out, such technologies have been researched for many years. The advanced forms are *highly* classified. Given this, any victims of nonconsensual experimentation truly have an uphill battle as far as even getting people to acknowledge what is going on.

Even the state of *open* technology in this area is not widely known. Many ordinary citizens who think about the problem for ten minutes, based on naive views of government and outdated knowledge of 70s-era technology, will tend to dismiss the claims of TIs. Even back in the 70s there was more existing technology than many people are aware of, and consider how much more exists now after all the advances in computers and in other areas. For example, here are a couple of links to some recent articles on open-technology:

http://www.umc.pitt.edu/pittmag/spri.../feature3.html
http://www.umc.pitt.edu/pittmag/fall2005/feature1.html

These two articles involve RFID chips and neural prosthetics, and describe a level of technology that is beyond what people commonly assume is available as the unclassified state of the art.

Most people also tend not to think like “mind controllers.” That is to their credit in most cases, but we all know that some tyrants — both petty and large — covet nothing more than the ability to control other people’s lives. Just because you and I do not think like that, some people *do* think like that — some people will always want to be the next Stalin. That is why eternal vigilance is necessary to maintain liberty even if there is just a potential threat.

In evaluating technologies, then, one has to have some idea about how such technologies might be abused. Various conditioning effects, for example, can be used to influence people using only fairly low levels of technology and surveillance. Influencing operations do not require 100% total control over a person (that is a common straw man argument, in fact). Even if the influencing does not work as planned, it can nonetheless constitute torture to a nonconsensual subject.

Below are a few general comments on parts of the article.

In the article, Gloria Naylor’s book is compared to a 1957 book by Evelyn Waugh in which a character is “gaslighted” with voices to his head as well as “performances” designed to be meaningful only to him. I am not going to comment on Waugh or the character in his book, but this does give me an opportunity to point out part of the long history of mind control technologies and operations.

The year 1957 was during the height of MKULTRA mind control experimentation. A reading of the limited, surviving, redacted financial records gives a picture of how widespread the program was, as well as how it was covertly funded through “cutouts.” It is commonly believed that MKULTRA was mainly about LSD testing, but there were literally hundreds of subprograms which investigated just about every conceivable way to manipulate and influence human beings. This included things like remote polygraphs and electronic influencing and control.

One major goal of MKULTRA was to find ways to discredit people. That much is explicitly documented. One way to discredit a person was to drop them acid in public, but there are many other ways. Certainly dropping acid to unwitting people was tested on nonconsensual citizens, and it is reasonable to assume that many other techniques were similarly tested.

Besides just the capability for “street theater” performances, what voice-to-skull technologies existed back in 1957?

In the late 50s Ewen Cameron was already experimenting with what he called “psychic driving.” He would tape-record interviews with his patients and then play parts of those tapes back to them, repetitively. He used speakers in the ceilings, pillow speakers, and even speakers in football helmets that the patients could not remove in order to constantly bombard his “patients” with voices. He is known to have experimented with mimicking the voices of people familiar to the subjects, as well as with using multiple voices to exploit possible effects of social influencing such as “peer pressure.” This research was funded by the CIA under MKULTRA. So the idea of beaming voices at people for mind control was not new to people in the clandestine world of mind control, even back in the late 50s.

Another late-50s voice-to-skull technology is the tooth implant. This is really rather simple technology, despite some people’s unwarranted skepticism. All it takes is a small radio receiver and a piezoelectric vibrator for bone-conducted audio. There is a patent for such a device which was submitted to the patent office in the late 50s. That particular patent also makes use of facial nerves in addition to bone conduction (which was already prior art at the time).

Experiments were also conducted to try to replicate the radio reception that some people naturally experienced due to certain fillings in their teeth, though what resulted from such investigations is not well-documented. I am *not* saying that a tooth implant was used in any particular case, but that the technology has existed for a very long time. It is a possibility that at least deserves consideration in certain cases, rather than completely dismissing a priori the entire hypothesis that external (or exogenous) voices were ever inflicted on a person.

Back in the 50s hypnosis was a major focus of mind control research. It is a commonly-held belief that people cannot be hypnotized against their will or made to do things under hypnosis which they wouldn’t ordinarily do, but the belief is not true; it is false. Although not *everyone* can be hypnotized against their will or made to do things that they would not ordinarily do, some people are highly susceptible to hypnosis and hence are highly vulnerable. Given that, consider how much more effective hypnosis against a susceptible individual would be if the hypnotist had 24/7 voice contact with that subject in order to constantly reinforce the “training” and to issue commands.

The hypnosis research under programs like BLUEBIRD and MKULTRA in the 50s also made use of technology. There was research into how radio waves of various sorts affected hypnotic susceptibility. There were literally experiments into hypnotizing people and installing posthypnotic commands which could be activated over the telephone. This was not just a Hollywood movie; it is documented to have been tested on actual human subjects. Another area which was researched by the CIA was the use of hidden subliminals in music to enhance hypnosis. This use of auditory subliminals to transmit hidden signals is similar to more modern techniques such as the Russian “acoustic psycho-correction” technology and the Lowery “silent sounds” technique (where a high-frequency audio carrier tone is voice-modulated). The FBI was reported to have investigated using the Russian technology to send the fake “voice of God” to Koresh at Waco, so clearly the FBI knows that such things exist. The Russian technology was acquired in the 90s by a Richmond, Va. company.

The point is that these techniques and technologies have existed in various forms and have been researched and tested for literally decades. The new technologies just open up even more potential for abuses of human rights (as well as any positive applications that the technologies might enable if they were to be used to actually help people). Human beings and governments have long conspired to harass certain individuals; only the methods change over the years. COINTELPRO, for example, has a long history going back many years.

In addition to comparing Naylor’s book with Waugh’s book, the article also compares TIs to people claiming to have been abducted by aliens. I do not want to get too much into that because the TI who was quoted as saying it would keep them “marginalized and discredited” was right. Even just mentioning the subject tends to bring in the space-alien connotations and associated ridicule. One main and obvious difference that seems to somehow get “overlooked” is that mind control operations are real. They have, for example, been investigated by Congress and are known to have been conducted by the CIA et al. In that way the issue of mind control is completely and utterly different from alien abductions.


Interestingly, though, the Air Force is known to have used UFOs as a cover story to distract from investigations of its classified aircraft flights. A similar use of UFOs as purposeful disinformation to discredit investigations into classified mind control experimentation cannot be dismissed. Consider, for example, the documents relating to Project Pandora at the DOD’s FOIA reading room, especially the 469-page Project Pandora Operational Procedure document.

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/...ng_list01.html

Now Project Pandora, as the Washington Post article mentions, was an investigation into the use of microwaves to influence human behavior. That is solid, real, and scientific. The document above describes, for example, experiments with monkeys trained to work on tasks and then subjected to performance-degradation due to intentional microwave exposure. It describe studies of sailors exposed to microwaves. It includes results related to the effects of microwaves on EEGs and on heart rates in rabbits. Then guess what follows, in the Project Pandora Operational Procedure document?

What follows is a full-blown Majestic-12/Roswell UFO disinformation story. Yes, this “serious” government FOIA document discusses the supposed finding of space-alien bodies at Roswell. Really. The pages have written on them that they cannot be authenticated as an official government document, but what are they doing there in the first place? They do not have any relevance to microwave research, and the time period is not even the same.

It is curious to note what comes right *after* the Roswell space-alien part of the Pandora document: the transfer of the Pandora Project to the US Army in 1970, and 1977 Congressional inquiry letters into whether Pandora research included areas of “what is popularly known as ‘mind control.’” This clumsy use of Roswell space-alien disinformation is almost breathtaking for its brazenness. One statement that does appear in the Operational Procedure document is the following (from the minutes of a meeting in 1970):

2. Definitive research in this area will also require work with human subjects, and ethical procedures for working with humans may conflict with security needs.

As one final note on alien abductions, I should point out that some of the people claiming to be alien abductees could actually be mind control victims, either purposely deceived with psyops exploiting (and/or inculcating) that belief system or else people who simply misperceived what really happened to them.

Following the comparison of TIs with alien abductees, the Post article proceeds to quote professional psychiatrists. The professional psychiatrists, as expected, assume a priori that all TIs are delusional and therefore are sick and in need of care. This is not a scientific attitude, but then again psychiatry has major components which are strictly political rather than scientific. Since the technology undeniably exists, and since documented mind control operations and mind control experimentation victims undeniably exist, logic demands that at least the *possibility* of exogenous harassment should be considered in any given case. Indeed, people subjected to severe harassment can suffer severe psychological *consequences* — just like PTSD victims and victims of physical torture — but these are the effects (sequelae) of actual harassment. What the DSM manual unscientifically (they admit as much in the DSM) classifies as “schizophrenia” is really a cluster of cases with roughly similar symptoms. It is actually made up of several distinct sub-clusters, corresponding to different causes. One such sub-cluster includes people who truly have been harassed and persecuted — often by people who know quite well what the DSM labels as mental illness.

Of course it is not politically acceptable to admit that people — citizens — truly are harassed and persecuted in the United States. To admit that would require some action to stop it, and would focus attention on the perpetrators of such abuses. But then again, psychiatrists have participated in all of the historically documented mind control programs. And not just any psychiatrists, but the leading psychiatrists of their day. As a profession, psychiatry is in deep denial about its complicity with these abuses. As a profession (a supposed “healing” profession) it will not face up to even its documented involvement in mind control research. It will not acknowledge the documented victims of such programs and try to heal the damage that it helped to inflict on them. So, in this case, the profession of psychiatry has a serious conflict of interest.

In ending this commentary, I would like to again thank Ms. Weinberger for her relatively fair article on the TIs and their plight. I hope that the article will spur serious investigations into the allegations of TIs and will help lead to greatly increased oversight of the black-budget, special access programs where such technologies and techniques are being developed and researched.

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Sharon posted my article on Mind Machine Interfacing including a former partner of mine who had a helmet on his head at Canada's top secret research facility in the 60s and sent a man into a coma in an instant/
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10-10-2015, 09:29 PM #5
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Now I kinda feel like giving up on this whole thread, thats just like too much!

I cant help but feel your not really getting my point!?  Optogenetics, they have tested in mice to induce instant violent outbursts.  All I was wondering was is this something new or just a new name for something that's already been around for a lot longer for instance some of the riots in the last few years!?

I dunno tbh I just cant read all that stuff you wrote its just too much so I don't even know exactly how much you are even talking about what I am talking about?  :|

Maybe tomorrow Ill fare better but your replies are too big for me to even be able to read and take in never mind process and come up with an answer too!  Maybe its just me idk but I give up right now :|

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3380604/
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10-10-2015, 09:41 PM #6
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It goes a lot further than you think so you don't wish to learn.

For example Ben Franklin as you know worked with electricity and he was part of the highest secret societies (I met a descendant of his in Newark many years ago - he was just like Franklin - intellectually). Franklin protected the secrets when he sat on the panel investigating Mesmer (From whence comes hypnosis and manymore ancient things used now). In the last decade they were fixing up Franklin's hiome in London (where he spent most of his life) and they found skulls split open so they did the usual nonsense cover up about medical research.

I went a lot further out on the limb and tied it in with Skull and Bones (Obscene Ritual - to eat fresh human thalami to enhance sexual potency and psychic power - Franklin was like Mick Jagger in the numbers of liaisons and illegitimates - he did his sexual best to the end of his life) and trepanning.

A few years ago I saw a rebuttal of my theories on TV as they ridiculed Franklin stories of great excesses in sexual matters or the Obscene Ritual. Mind -fogging used by Mesmer is Mind Control and all these people at high levels use these techniques. I can go into greater detail by far.

Here is a very tame and largely ignorant report about The Hellfire Club Franklin spent a lot of time enjoying.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/201...62198.html

10-10-2015, 10:04 PM #7
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No thanks, this is just more stuff which isn't really much to do with my original post!?

Clues in the title "optogenetics"

10-10-2015, 11:10 PM #8
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yeah he has a way of completely trashing and messing threads with his incoherent and endless junk
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10-11-2015, 12:33 AM #9
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Dear Cameron

Did you read your Wiki link on Optogenetiics? It is about something other than what you are thinking. But your post is about the things I have addressed - which you appear unable or uninterested in learning about. I will interpose my points in your post to demonstrate.


(10-10-2015, 07:12 PM)cameronjcw Wrote:  I hadn't ever heard the term optogenetics until a short while ago while watching Ancient Aliens {WOWIE!!! No wonder!!!!}so decided of course to do a search because it sounded interesting.

Apparently they can incite violence in mice using light but its not been used on humans yet!?

Personally I don't think this is the case at all.  I remember a few years ago at the olympic games in London they were meant to be using some kind of sonic {Which is largely what Guyatt addresses and the other Widely accepted expert who has the Washington Post blog.} crowd dispersing weapon, which of course most people would be wondering why, its the olympic games not a riot!?  Also as far as I know its been many years since its been known that some types of epilepsy are photosensitive and can be triggered by flashing lights, that alone makes me question that optogenetics is such a new thing, then theres the whole MK Ultra {Ditto last comment though you did not even come close to understanding what MKULtra is about - hypnosis figures large in it. And who is the father of modern Hypnosis - long before MKUltra?} mind control aspect.

Anyway like I said I don't know a whole lot about it {I agree} but wondered what other people think of it or how much anybody else knows about this?? {Now you do know.} I doubt its as new as they say, maybe only new to the public knowing of it but it sounds like the kind of thing that would be used to control peoples behaviour!?  Wonder if its been used on the public in recent years during the riots that have been happening around the world?
Here's some links about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optogenetics about growing genes and proteins part in it.)

https://timothytrespas.wordpress.com/ (A nutter!}

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...yCZv4byYIR

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthre.....and-UFOs {Good source which is one of my faves - did you really read any of it - it has so much you could actually benefit from if you want to find knowledge rather than your siggy comment's focus.}
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10-11-2015, 04:05 AM #10
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Yeah it seems that way. I had him blocked for ages and then unblocked him last week cause I thought it seems like maybe he might cool it down a bit but obviously not so blocked again! Just cant be arsed with it Sad