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The Popes of Avignon


09-27-2015, 04:34 PM #1
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The Popes of Avignon


Looking back on history and seeing names we associate with countries like France and England is not very accurate because the nobility was pan-tribal from long before and they were just as International as they still are through their corporate enterprises. One of the Eusebius people in this corporate Church/State admitted he bought the Bishopric of Paris for purely mercenary reasons and the handing out of monopolies or re-structuring of Divine Kings territories is evident throughout the ages. I did not know it until I did serious research that a second century Pope in Rome (while the Christians versus Lions show was playing at the local Collosseum) owned gladiators for profit. There were different parts of the world with different Churches then as now. The major battle for almost all of Christendom was the Roman versus Celtic Christian Church. So when you see the Cathars meet their end along with the many sects backing them including the Celtic Christians and Templars (etc.) you might ask who won? Was it France and Simon de Montfort? Here is a little from Wikipedia.

"The Avignon Papacy was the period from 1309 to 1377, during which seven successive popes resided in Avignon (then in the Kingdom of Arles, part of the Holy Roman Empire, and now in today's France) rather than in Rome.[1] This situation arose from the conflict between the Papacy and the French crown.

Following the strife between Philip IV of France and Pope Boniface VIII, and the death of his successor Benedict XI after only eight months in office, a deadlocked conclave finally elected Clement V, a Frenchman, as Pope in 1305. Clement declined to move to Rome, remaining in France, and in 1309 moved his court to the papal enclave at Avignon, where it remained for the next 67 years. This absence from Rome is sometimes referred to as the "Babylonian Captivity of the Papacy".[2][3] A total of seven popes reigned at Avignon; all were French,[4][5] and they increasingly fell under the influence of the French Crown. Finally, on September 13, 1376, Gregory XI abandoned Avignon and moved his court to Rome (arriving on January 17, 1377), officially ending the Avignon Papacy.

Despite this return, following Gregory's death on March 27, 1378, the breakdown in relations between the cardinals and Gregory's successor, Urban VI, gave rise to the Western Schism. This started a second line of Avignon popes, now regarded as illegitimate and known as antipopes. The second and final Avignon antipope, Benedict XIII, lost most of his support in 1398, including that of France; following five years of siege by the French, he fled to Perpignan on March 11, 1403."
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09-27-2015, 04:46 PM #2
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Back in nursery we were taught that French rhyme (im French educated, my second language):

Sur Le pont d'avignon, on y danse, on y danse...

Translates into: upon the bridge of Avignon, we dance... We dance

Brought me this memory back.

Now I know that this nursery rhyme might actually have a sinister connotation.. Most of them usually carry a hidden message...

Salam


“The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only.”


― Thomas Carlyle, On Heroes, Hero Worship and the Heroic in History






09-27-2015, 04:48 PM #3
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And as any good student of history already knows the Moors or Islamists at Alhambra had a lot of inputs beyond the Sufis in Catharism. Charlemagne at Roncesvalles and dirty double-dealing set up a lot of what was bad. But he did try to educate the masses (Peter Abelard).

09-27-2015, 04:51 PM #4
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Yes, very true the bardic rhyming Troubadours kept alive a real Christianity which would have kept Islam in the same system if it had not been for Roman Empire and their destruction of all educational opportunities.


(09-27-2015, 04:46 PM)Tarikko Wrote:  Back in nursery we were taught that French rhyme (im French educated, my second language):

Sur Le pont d'avignon, on y danse, on y danse...

Translates into: upon the bridge of Avignon, we dance... We dance

Brought me this memory back.

Now I know that this nursery rhyme might actually have a sinister connotation.. Most of them usually carry a hidden message...

Salam

09-27-2015, 05:04 PM #5
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And there still remains those who fight Rome for Power in the Catholic realm. The Pope of Alexandria and All Africa may not be known as such to most people - but that has historical importance to people who study what went on in Alexandria where Jesus studied the Therapeutae arts with his lifelong mate Mary.

Origen and the Septuagint (threads I have here) - the Gaedhil Gnostic roots which the Septuagint sheds a little light upon when it says Joseph and Jesus (title) were arch-tectons of the Great Pyramid - (Of Iesa - which is what the title Jesus is in other languages including some in Islam today who I have quoted). Arch means 'high' and tecton is engineer. Arch-Druids like St. Colomba or Columcille (see Occult Christian Saints thread here and the Synod of Drum Ceatt) ties a little string to a larger clue which goes way back in the Illuminati thread. Some day I will get into a lot more history - maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gr...Alexandria

09-27-2015, 05:33 PM #6
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Acre and Jerusalem had important Christian people for a millennium and more before Roman Catholicism had enough power to mount Crusades against them. Of course the Roman Empire had once controlled the region through force of arms but not in the hearts and souls of the people. This leads to genocides against the Armenians I have discussed here - and it continues to be an issue for many other people if you look through history rather than listen to pulpit-pounding profiteers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Jerusalem

Antioch likewise shows Noble intrigues rather than spiritual devotion - and it is important to a lot more of history up to and including what went on in Cyprus recently as Canadian troops do know.

"Queen Plaisance of Cyprus, born Plaisance of Antioch or Plaisance de Poitiers (1235/1236 or ca. 1235 – September 27/22, 1261) was a daughter of Bohemund V of Antioch and his second wife, the Italian noblewoman Lucienne dei Conti di Segni, kinswoman of Pope Innocent III. She became Queen consort and Queen regent of the Kingdom of Cyprus and acting Regent of the Kingdom of Jerusalem for her son Hugh II of Cyprus until her death in 1261.

Biography[edit]
She was firstly married in 1250 to Henry I of Cyprus, who died in 1253. Their son, the infant Hugh II, became King of Cyprus with Plaisance as regent. Plaisance re-married to Balian d'Ibelin, Lord of Arsuf, the son of Jean d'Ibelin, Lord of Arsuf, but they divorced and had the marriage annulled in 1258.

The official King of Jerusalem at the time was the absentee Conrad of Hohenstaufen, who died in 1254, with his title passing to his son Conradin, also still in Germany. The position of regent belonged by birthright to the underage Hugh, who was Conradin's immediate heir and hereditarily the next king if Conradin failed to have his own progeny. In 1258, Plaisance's brother Bohemund VI of Antioch brought Hugh and Plaisance to Acre and demanded that they be recognized as King of Jerusalem and regent, respectively. John of Ibelin (count of Jaffa), the Knights Templar, and the Teutonic Knights agreed with this, against the opposition of the Knights Hospitaller and various jurists who still wished to recognize Conradin as king, even though he was not present in the kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaisance_of_Antioch

One of the few places where Roman Empire lead by the Teuton Knights failed (Their Iron Cross should be familiar to you.) was Poland where Queen Jadwiga and her Romany Romuva pagans kept the Romans out by making a false Treaty saying they were Catholics. Another Order like the Teuton Knights are the Dragons who put the heads and bodies of Islamist troops on sticks - guess who that is who protected all of Europe?
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09-27-2015, 07:13 PM #7
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Who does the Pope represent?

Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.

09-27-2015, 09:12 PM #8
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The Pope represents any number of different factions. As noted above there are (and at times as many as nine Popes) different factions in the Catholic Church. All of them were seeking profit for and from the people who voted for them. Sometimes wars ensued but at other times people were poisoned (Borgias were known for this - remotely - which I say was the use of a tepaphone).

When they could get away with the Pope at the Center of the Universe with pillars holding up the stars and monsters at the edge of the earth - they sold that fiction to keep cannon fodder and rape victims at home where the Divine Nobles could round them up or tax them for a new Crusade paying them with rape and pillage opportunities. They paid off Bishop Ussher and Cosmas Indicopleustas handsomesomely for saying the monsters were somewhere other than where they still are - in Rome. Now that could change if Rome had a female Pope, a day care center in the Vatican and admitted they created the whole NT to blame the people of Palestine for what they did - crucifying Yeshua.

Of course, that might mean they had to join up with other religions and stop building fool-owings of extremists who are willing to die for their insane dogma.

The fiction or dogma about being the Lord's sole representative on Earth is refuted by the fact that he is elected by (at one time just the clergy) the cardinals (since the era of the Cathars which ended with the Popes of Avignon -  this thread addresses) and it is often and frequently changed as the following words from Wikipedia say.

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A papal conclave is a meeting of the College of Cardinals convened to elect a new Bishop of Rome,

The issue of Papal Infallibility is a little hazy in the present day - it is still there in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Of course it is associated with the fiction of being the Lord's only representative on earth and the 'only begotten' ego trip. But it gets kind of difficult to sell that when the Church has had Popes talking about aliens coming here soon and other obvious scientific facts as well as what follows (please read).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_popes
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