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What is an Alchemist?

09-08-2015, 08:21 AM #1
Robert Baird
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Jesus (Yeshua) may have been one, Aquinas was definately one - and he worked in Aristotle to the church dogma.

The following reply to a person asking about my personal definition of an alchemist is only a starting point to understanding - many things.

No you did not miss it. It is very "Personal".

 But if I can ask a few questions about your beliefs, first it might make it possible for me to describe it in words you will grasp.

 1. What dimensional reality do you see your soul being part of? Is that the only reality or dimension it may travel to or gain insight from? Is it part of a larger soulful family?

 2. Does your view of history and human development place the current hominid we are at a higher spiritual apex or zenith than others once thought to have died off - like Neanderthal which I have been proven correct about and which science mostly agrees did not die off - but interbred? Did their larger brain with no speech lobes limit their spiritual connectedness or did WE lose it as the interbreeding continues? Can you imagine the Ainu we now know populated the Pacific (Kennewick Man and South America per DNA mapping) also played a role in making white people and are the massively unknown or mysterious DNN? In other words can you tell Redfern, Steinberg and alien interventionists they are naive and ignorant?

 3. Do you harbor any 'personal' feelings about your own connection to past lives or the collective soul (Jung) which you come from? What do you know about Bibliomancy, Ein Sof and other collective concepts of knowledge like the Akashic Record?

 4. Is it possible that Vivekananda and other adepts throughout history have ascended with their personality intact?

 5. Which of the three Magian Laws do you gain most from or think you grasp (grok or relate to) the best?

 Please keep these numbers intact as you answer so I may inject my comments on each point you make. If it requires too much time or research to answer I DO understand.
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09-08-2015, 08:49 AM #2
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Don't you get hemorrhoids or something... give us just few days.. we need a break!!

Jesus was an alchemist??? Yeah right... And I'm a nuclear scientist
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09-08-2015, 09:50 AM #3
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I don't understand why you people get all mad when folks insult you and your kind and are rude, yet find it sooooo easy to insult and demean baird. It is possible to critique what people have to say without resorting to petty insults. 

Anyways, let me lay some facts down while I'm here.

1. There is no "soul" other than the air you breath in and out. Espiritus is Latin for Soul and that's the definition of it - air.

2. We are evolved mutated primates and we evolved to have speech and smaller heads. 

3. My personal feelings towards new age Woo is that it can be just as dangerous as religious fundamentalism.

4. No, when you die, your "energy" goes into the ground to become worm food in the form of your decaying body. 

5. Honestly I had to look that one up but what can I say other than more mental magic making people delusional thinking they're wizards with power?

09-08-2015, 02:15 PM #4
Robert Baird
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Dear F

Nice try. Science is proving the mystics or metaphysicians have been correct for all the millennia we have writing and from before. Check out Rediscovering the Mind by Yale Professor of Microbiology Morowitz. Look into Epigenetics and do what alchemists who developed all sciences and the Method thereof do and always did - Observe (study and keep an open mind) then and only then) and conclude.

If one seeks gnosis as the Gnostics did they will find what Michael Grant said was the primary and highest intellectual school of the Mediterranean around and before the time of the mythical Jesus (title but certainly Yeshua's family had an alchemist or wose man in every generation who studied and developed the science thereof.). Grant said the two names for this knowledge were Thoth/Hermes and Imhotep/Asklepios. In reading this excert from Wikipedia remember also the Therapeutae of Pythagoras became the Essenes headed by the older brother of Yeshua bar Joseph.

"Hermes Trismegistus may be a representation of the syncretic combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth.[1] In Hellenistic Egypt, the Greeks recognised the congruence of their god Hermes with Thoth.[2] Subsequently the two gods were worshipped as one in what had been the Temple of Thoth in Khemnu, which the Greeks called Hermopolis.[3]

Both Thoth and Hermes were gods of writing and of magic in their respective cultures.[citation needed] Thus, the Greek god of interpretive communication was combined with the Egyptian god of wisdom as a patron of astrology and alchemy. In addition, both gods were psychopomps, guiding souls to the afterlife. The Egyptian Priest and Polymath Imhotep had been deified long after his death and therefore assimilated to Thoth in the classical and Hellenistic period.[4] The renowned scribe Amenhotep and a wise man named Teôs were equally deified as gods of wisdom, science and medicine and thus placed alongside Imhotep in shrines dedicated to Thoth-Hermes during the Ptolemaic period.[5]

A Mycenaean Greek reference found on two Linear B clay tablets at Pylos[6] to a deity or semi-deity called ti-ri-se-ro-e (Linear B: ����������; Tris Hḗrōs, "thrice or triple hero")[7] could be connected to the later epithet "thrice wise", Trismegistos, applied to Hermes/Thoth. On the aforementioned PY Tn 316 tablet as well as other Linear B tablets, found in Pylos, Knossos and Thebes, appears the name of the deity "Hermes" as e-ma-ha (Linear B: ������), but not in any apparent connection with the "Trisheros". This interpretation of poorly understood Mycenaean material is disputed, since Hermes Trismegistus is not referenced in any of the copious sources before he emerges in Hellenistic Egypt.

The majority of Greeks, and later Romans, did not accept Hermes Trismegistus in the place of Hermes.[citation needed] The two gods remained distinct from one another. Cicero noted several individuals referred to as "Hermes": "the fifth, who is worshipped by the people of Pheneus [in Arcadia], is said to have killed Argus, and for this reason to have fled to Egypt, and to have given the Egyptians their laws and alphabet: he it is whom the Egyptians call Theyt."[8] In the same place, Cicero mentions a "fourth Mercury (Hermes) was the son of the Nile, whose name may not be spoken by the Egyptians." The most likely interpretation of this passage is as two variants on the same syncretism of Greek Hermes and Egyptian Thoth (or sometimes other gods); the one viewed from the Greek-Arcadian perspective (the fifth, who went from Greece to Egypt), the other viewed from the Egyptian perspective (the fourth, where Hermes turns out "actually" to have been a "son of the Nile," i.e. a native god). Both these very good early references in Cicero (most ancient Trismegistus material is from early centuries AD) corroborate the view that Thrice-Great Hermes originated in Hellenistic Egypt through syncretism with Egyptian gods (the Hermetica refer most often to Thoth and Amun).[9]

Hermes Trismegistus, floor mosaic in the Cathedral of Siena
The Hermetic literature added to the Egyptian concerns with conjuring spirits and animating statues that inform the oldest texts, Hellenistic writings of Greco-Babylonian astrology and the newly developed practice of alchemy (Fowden 1993: pp65–68). In a parallel tradition, Hermetic philosophy rationalized and systematized religious cult practices and offered the adept a method of personal ascension from the constraints of physical being, which has led to confusion of Hermeticism with Gnosticism, which was developing contemporaneously.[10]

As a divine source of wisdom, Hermes Trismegistus was credited with tens of thousands of writings of high standing, reputed to be of immense antiquity. Plato's Timaeus and Critias state that in the temple of Neith at Sais, there were secret halls containing historical records which had been kept for 9,000 years. Clement of Alexandria was under the impression that the Egyptians had forty-two sacred writings by Hermes, encapsulating all the training of Egyptian priests. Siegfried Morenz has suggested (Egyptian Religion) "The reference to Thoth's authorship... is based on ancient tradition; the figure forty-two probably stems from the number of Egyptian nomes, and thus conveys the notion of completeness." The Neo-Platonic writers took up Clement's "forty-two essential texts".

The Hermetica is a category of papyri containing spells and initiatory induction procedures. In the dialogue called the Asclepius (after the Greek god of healing) the art of imprisoning the souls of demons or of angels in statues with the help of herbs, gems and odors, is described, such that the statue could speak and engage in prophecy. In other papyri, there are recipes for constructing such images and animating them, such as when images are to be fashioned hollow so as to enclose a magic name inscribed on gold leaf."

Arcadia is the place that the Merovingians took the Benjaminite tax collectors to safety during one of the times the people of Israel/Palestine threw them out.

Moses (also a title) is thought to be Ahkenaten by some scholars including myself, and his sister was held in higher regard than he was by the adept alchemists (various names at different times and places). There is an extant treatise of Mariae Prophetessoriae who is thought to be his sister and also the wife of his staff-bearer Jasher.

09-08-2015, 04:42 PM #5
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If you go and tell a scientist that their work has "proven new age beliefs real", you're gonna get laughed out of whatever room you two are in. 
Just because new age people co opt words from science does not mean it proves the beliefs real. Quantum, nano and dimension have suffered enough already, now yall are adding epigenetics to that list. Its a fascinating feild of study, no doubt, but it does nothing to prove these fantastical myths as real. 

I can't find which specific Michael Grant you are talking about, but just the fact that you are asserting mythical characters are real and Jesus had a real family, even tho his name is a title, leaves me only to shake my head at the silliness of the suggestion. 

I'm not sure what the copy paste's purpose is nor the point of the paragraph on the end so really can't make a reply to that :/

09-08-2015, 05:45 PM #6
Grand Commander
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Flix, I doubt he is the real robert baird (author of many books) because he is quite the troll chump on this forum. his copy pasta tactic is nothing short of idiotic hubris. Funny that - if he really is that author, I ask, why spend time on an obscure internet forum? Big Grin or is he just going ape shit senile now? though 65 is way too young for senility... I do question this oft nonsensical character.


Out beyond ideas
of wrong-doing,

and right-doing,

there is a field...

...I'll meet you there.

Jalaluddin Rumi
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09-08-2015, 07:06 PM #7
Robert Baird
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Dear Flix

Yes, there are a lot of scientists who are not open-minded but Kaku calls them Know-Nothing scientists. You did not look up that article by Morowitz - It demonstrated Nobel Laureates in every hard science came to the conclusion I said - way back in 1980. Since that time Gravitational Wave Theory has an observed reality and the researchers studying it say Metaphysics will be the new reality of science after the next observation is seen. I could go on but clearly you are like most people here - unable to research even the simplest facts.

And there is a site carrying my article on Tesla - that site is an epigeneticist also covering Lipton - whose mentor Tiller agress with what I said as well. Get a brain!!!! Or be like the other trolls here.

Read closely about the last paragraph and any functional literate will see how it relates to the myths of Jesus and Moses or the J/C/I cult.
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09-08-2015, 11:47 PM #8
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Morowitz is an author, and Rediscovering the Mind is a book, that ain't no article, so how you expect the normal person to go read a book they don't even own when no one's even got time to read the books they *do*own? 
And you're saying now that science *"will be*" proving spirituality or whatever it is you believe true?  the only thing we've got right now is personal anecdote and borrowed vernacular. That's not enough for any sane person to go crazy mythological dreams. 

Okay so link to your article? Im not sure what you think it's going to prove but congrats on finding another moment for self agrandizing. 

And again(!) The last paragraph of cryptozoological spiritual title mythos pharaoh thing still doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm not some spring chicken to mythology or the other magical woo floating about the multiverse, so don't tell me go read some book, if you really want me, and all the brainless others, to understand.
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09-09-2015, 12:34 AM #9
Robert Baird
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It was an article in Psychology Today - fool. You trying to tell me stuff is a joke. You haven't got enough knowledge to make an argument for kids. But do try - some day you might actually get articles published and make a difference in the world. But not if you are writing for actual open-minded scientists.

Here is a little comment on the article which you could find if you actually gave a flying you know what about learning anything.

I knew you wouldn't do any research and I put another article up on Mind over Matter addressing other things I mentioned.  I did this knowing you and your type who infest this place - and for anyone who actually wants to learn rather than listening to punks trying to brow beat me.

Metaphysics soon will be accepted as the best insight to reality according to researchers into Gravitational Waves I listened to last year on Quirks and Quarks.  The Nobel Laureate who named the Quark is Murray Gell-Mann and he is an Orisha Worshipper. That became Voudou when moved to America. (Just last month or the month before scientists discovered the Pentaquark whiich ties in with the Pentagon Dodecahedron developed over five thousand years ago.) It addresses alternate realms and energy forms and like Dream Dancers or shamans who developed into alchemists (see Eliade) a million years ago, they have been working what you talk about. You might want to check into Re-Discovering the Mind from Aug. 1980 in Psychology Today. I used it in an Organizational Behaviour class during MBA studies.

The Professor had de-bunked I Ching and spiritual things while promoting Asimov's grandmother theories (Asimov never was much of an academic). I was upset and took copies of this and other things to give every student. He was not there and his boss was taking the class, so I discussed what his moron employee had said and he turned the class over to me. I was a member of the MBA Programme Committee. The Professor did not have tenure and was part-time so guess what? I did not vote on his dismissal but he was dismissed.

He did get to give me a B+ rather than the A+ I had earned.
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09-09-2015, 12:43 AM #10
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Needless to say - I could bury this board and put more stuff worth reading here than all of you put together could read (If capable) in a week.

Here is the gist of that article.

Re-discovering The Mind
From the viewpoint of a modern microbiologist, we hear the call for integration and common sense in sciences that are all too often devising separate stakes and battlements to pontificate from, on high. The 'experts' thus proving their ignorance because the result inevitably is specious ego and puffery. Truth did not divide herself up for prissy 'nerds' to prevail upon, with their massive convolutions and devious attempts to practice buffoonery upon her.

In August of 1980 Psychology Today ran an article by Harold J. Morowitz, professor of Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry at Yale University. I recommend a complete reading of this article for anyone who has suffered through a complete exposure to all that our modern education system is comprised of; as it tries to convince you that everything is 'black and white' and that no soul exists through avoidance of its instruction (except a few artists who defy the norm).


Physical scientists are returning to the view that thought - meaning mind - is one of nature's ultimate realities'.

The study of life at all levels, from social to molecular behavior, has in modern times relied on reductionism as the chief explanatory concept. This approach to knowledge tries to comprehend one level of scientific phenomena in terms of concepts at a lower and presumably more fundamental level... Reductionism at the psychological level is exemplified by the viewpoint in Carl Sagan's best selling book THE DRAGONS OF EDEN.

He writes: 'My fundamental premise about the brain is that its workings- what we sometimes call 'mind' - are a consequence of its anatomy and, physiology and nothing more.' As a further demonstration of this trend of thought, we note that Sagan's glossary does not contain the words mind, consciousness, perception, awareness or thought, but rather deals with entries such as synapse, lobotomy, proteins and electrodes?

Werner Heisenberg, one of the founders of the new physics, became deeply involved in the issues of philosophy and humanism. In PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEMS OF QUANTUM PHYSICS, he wrote of physicists having to renounce thoughts of an objective time-scale common to all observers, and of events in time and space that are independent of our ability to observe them. Heisenberg stressed that the laws of nature no longer dealt with elementary particles, but with our knowledge of these particles - that is, with the 'contents of our minds'. Erwin Schr?dinger, the man who formulated the fundamental equation of quantum mechanics, wrote an extraordinary little book in 1958 called MIND AND MATTER. In this series of essays, he moved from the results of the new physics to a rather mystical view of the universe that he identified with the 'perennial philosophy' of Aldous Huxley. Schr?dinger was the first of the quantum theoreticians to express sympathy with the UPANISHADS and Eastern philosophical thought. A growing body of literature now embodies this perspective, including two popular works. THE TAO OF PHYSICS by Fritjof Capra, and THE DANCING WU-LI MASTERS by Gary Zukav...

However, the only simple and consistent description physicists were able to assign to a measurement involved an observer's becoming aware of the result. Thus the physical event and the content of the human mind were inseparable. This linkage forced many researchers to seriously consider consciousness as an integral part of the structure of physics. Such interpretations moved science toward the 'idealist' as contracted with the 'realist' conception of philosophy.

The views of a large number of contemporary physical scientists are summed up in the essay 'Remarks on the Mind-Body Question' written by Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner. Wigner begins by pointing out that most physical scientists have returned to the recognition that thought - meaning the mind - is primary. He goes on to state: 'It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness.' And he concludes by noting how remarkable it is that the scientific study of the world led to the content of consciousness as an ultimate reality.'...

The founders of modern atomic theory did not start out to impose a 'mentalist' picture on the world. Rather, they began with the opposite point of view and were forced to the present day position in order to explain experimental results...

The results of this chain of reasoning will probably lend more aid and comfort to Eastern mystics than to neurophysiologists and molecular biologists; nevertheless, the closed loop follows from a straightforward combination of the explanatory processes of recognized experts in the three separate sciences. Since individuals seldom work with more than one of these paradigms, the general problem has received little attention...

We now understand the troublesome features in a forceful commitment to uncritical reductionism as a solution to the problem of mind. We have discussed the weaknesses of that position. In addition to being weak, it is a dangerous view, since the way we respond to our fellow human beings is dependent on the way we conceptualize them in our theoretical formulations. If we envision our fellows solely as animals or machines, we drain our interactions of humanistic richness. If we seek our behavioral norms in the study of animal societies, we ignore those uniquely human features that so much enrich our lives. Radical reductionism offers very little in the area of moral imperatives! Further, it presents the wrong glossary of terms for a humanistic pursuit."

The Minnesota Twins study has been on-going for decades and it has produced some remarkable results that few reports see the impact of in reference to the very nature of 'humanistic richness' and soulful potentialities. Only once is the top researcher allowed to mention ESP. Much as the Harvard study I have reported, the participants are family members but because they were separated at birth and (in this case) twins - there is a greater connection of ESP or psychic abilities than normal. Isn't this just common sense? Who can doubt it, you might say! Yet most people think ESP is some weird attribute or freak of nature rather than a gift we all have 'within', if they think it exists at all.

The majority of people today do not know about Tesla's 'non-force info packets', 'free energy', 'energy from vacuum machines by Bearden' or what layers of time/space are involved in all psychic phenomena. Thus those who say they believe in ESP are at a loss to explain and they avoid any real involvement with it. The scientists are similarly ignorant of these things and they (after all) are 'experts' like the doctors who deny the mind-body connection with the soul that is vital to psychic utilization. Our present culture DENIED these truly human and fantastic or exquisite depths of being.