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Psychopathic Proselytes

09-06-2015, 12:22 PM #1
Robert Baird
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In order to fully understand proselytes or the fanatic ego meister we should turn to depth psychology for insight into the sociopaths and psychological issues faced by and because of them.

"Let us first tackle insanity in relation to spirituality. Conventional clinical psychology & psychiatry, driven by a materialist research programme, do define insanity, but only rarely insofar as the field of spirituality is concerned, and if so, then mostly pejoratively. Indeed, in the last century, it was custom to understand altered states of consciousness not as alternative states, but as abnormal conditions of the mind (statistically, normatively and/or genetically). Some psychiatrists went even so far as to consider Plato's ontological model, opposing the "world of being" with the "world of becoming", as proof of his schizophrenia ! In the same line, in epistemology, to doubt naive realism was tantamount to a symptom of pathology.

"The hardest of hard data are of two sorts : the particular facts of sense, and the general truths of logic. (...) Real doubt, in these two cases, would, I think, be pathological. At any rate, to me they seem quite certain, and I shall assume that you agree with me on this. Without this assumption, we are in danger of falling into that universal scepticism which, as we saw, is as barren as it is irrefutable." - Russell, B. : Our Knowledge of the External World, Mentor - New York, 1956, p.60.

The study of mysticism was thus crippled by an incomplete model of the mind presupposing trance and ecstasy were, in various degrees, pathological. Hence, no real advances could be made in truly understanding what altered states of consciousness were all about. Nor could the message of mystics, yogis and great spiritual masters be taken at face value. Fortunately, transpersonal psychology, at work in the last half of the XXth century, but also comparative religious studies and cultural anthropology changed all of this this dramatically.

This evolution, from a materialist prejudice to a genuine interest not taking the phenomena at hand as a priori proof of insanity, can also be found in depth psychology. What did these psychologists of the unconscious have to say about spiritual insanity, i.e. mental disorders insofar as they relate to spirituality ? Summarizing the salient points, Freud, Jung and Assagioli are briefly touched.

Before doing so, let me clarify how the idea of the "unconscious" came to be. Two stages are to be noted : on the one hand, the unconscious was introduced to explain certain problems occurring at the conscious level. A good example, to mention only one of her symptoms, was the rigid paralysis of Bertha Pappenheim (alias Anna O), treated by Freud. He discovered the various symptoms of his "hysterical" patients were not caused by any physiological problem, but were residues and mnemic symbols of a particular traumatic experience stored in the unconscious (the "Es" or "Id"). Hypnosis and later free association would bring this trauma to the surface and thus becoming conscious of it and shedding the light of consciousness on it, brought the associated symptoms to an end. So the "unconscious" is introduced to explain how these trauma's can be cured and how they operate negative consequences in conscious life (neurosis & psychosis, the standard insanities, are likewise symptoms of unconscious processes).

On the other hand, modelling (mapping) this conjectured unconscious activity, gave rise to an objectification of the unconscious. Instead of being a hypothesis explaining errors in conscious functioning, "the unconscious" became a stratum of the mind, albeit one not normally accessible by the conscious ego. As soon as this theoretical activity happens, the workings of the unconscious receive a life of their own, one in principle distinguishable from any possible pathological impact on conscious life. In fact, the unconscious can then be invoked in absence of any pathology, and be used for various purposes (as in the work of Jung). Even Freud, who claimed to be a hard-core empiricist, developed extensive psychoanalytical speculations on the "Id" (cf. Eros/Thanatos).

One should always remember that basically the unconscious is a construct to explain and treat unwanted conscious activity or, more extensively, to understand conscious life. The moment it is used for something else, the idea becomes more speculative and elusive.

(1) Sigmund Freud and Psychoanalysis :

"Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis." - Freud, S. : The Future of an Illusion, 1927.

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires." - Freud, S. : New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis, 1933.

Freud's Iceberg Model of the Mind

Sigmund Freud (1856 - 1939), the father of psychoanalysis, developed the first major depth psychological model and tried to understand religion and spirituality in several books, including Totem and Taboo (1913), The Future of an Illusion (1927), Civilization and Its Discontents (1930), and Moses and Monotheism (1938).

For him, religion, religious experience and mysticism are an expression of underlying psychological neuroses and distress, an attempt to control the Oedipal complex, a means of giving structure to social groups, wish fulfilment, an infantile delusion, and an attempt to control the outside world. As an atheist, Freud deemed religion as something to overcome. A healthy, mature individual, cannot be religious or experience altered states of consciousness.

So for Freud, spirituality as such is problematic. This is the most extreme position, and it cannot help us understand the differentiation between the possible wisdom and folly of spiritual teachers, masters & guru's. In fact, for Freud the term "spirito-pathology" is a misnomer, for all spirituality is illusionary and pathological. Such a view is consistent with his materialist metaphysical research programme, which also impacted Freud's view on other phenomena (cf. his conflict with Jung about parapsychology).

"The evidence for Extra Sensoric Perception (ESP) and Psychokinesis (PK) -and I have presented only brief summaries of a few examples of it- seems to be adequate. Serious attention to the evidence should be convincing to all except those who are irreversibly committed to the worldview of materialism and sensationalism, according to which ESP and PK are impossible in principle." - Griffin, D.R. : Parapsychology, Philosophy and Spirituality : a Postmodern Exploration, State University of New York Press - New York, 1997, p.89

This position may be contrasted with his own "psychoanalytical pessimism", the fact Freud concluded that most of the time his own psychoanalytical therapy does not cure mental disorder. This begs the question whether Freud's model is not too reduced and narrow. Traditional psychoanalysis clearly is. Neo-Freudian models are less restrictive, but they too do not offer a constructive perspective on religious, yogic & mystical experiences. Hence, the rejection of spiritual experience on the basis of psychoanalytical theory is ad hoc and questionable indeed.

(2) Carl Gustav Jung and Analytical Psychology :

"I want to make clear that by the term 'religion' I do not mean a creed. It is, however, true that every creed is originally based on the one hand upon the experience of the numinosum and on the other hand upon pistis, that is to say, trust or loyalty, faith and confidence in a certain experience of a numinous nature and in the change of consciousness that ensues … We might say, then, that the term 'religion' designates the attitude peculiar to a consciousness which has been changed by experience of the numinosum." - Jung, C.G. : Collected Works, vol.11, § 9.

Jung's Map of the Mind

Carl Gustav Jung (1875 - 1961) had personal experiences of the Divine. Early on in life he came to recognize the centrality of such experiences for creating a sense of meaning and purpose in life. So, for him "religion" was not foremost a belief in God or gods or a particular system of religious belief and worship, but "... a careful observation and taking account of (from relegere) the numinous." (CW, 11, § 982). He rejected Freud's view as too limited and his approach to depth psychology as authoritarian. The fact Freud was so opinionated as to refuse investigating the full gamut of psychological processes he deemed unreasonable. Because Jung included all possible psychological phenomena, he was able to define the dangers of spiritual experiences.

In Jung's analytical psychology, so-called "ego-inflation" was the potential pitfall for anyone practicing a "spiritual path", and without humour, honesty and humility, the danger only increases as one advances into the "higher" stages. With this view, Jung hit the nail. The basic danger was identification with the archetypes of the collective unconscious."


09-06-2015, 01:06 PM #2
Robert Baird
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I hate to have to expose all of the horrid details of "two millennia of Heinous acts" Performed by members of the J/C/Islamic cult. But people here debate my history and facts going back a long time before what the Pope said (quoted above) so I will continue. One report on the following says parents were arrested for trying to do something about this. There is also lots to be found about a CAIR official caught in a sting op you can easily find. In another post I showed how (The FBI post) the Muslims threaten social unrest and reprisals if the FBI did not take out any reference in their manuals to Islamic terrorist knowledge which had been collected. I think that is why the British Bobbies are being so "politically correct" here.

"UK Daily Mail (h/t Maria J)  Yesterday it emerged that the massive inquiry into the Rotherham sex abuse scandal could run until at least 2018 and has so far identified 300 suspects. Investigators say the number of possible offenders is changing on a ‘daily basis’ and they suspect ‘thousands of offences’ have been committed.
West Midlands Police were warned more than 100 predominantly white children – some as young as 13 – were at serious risk of child exploitation five years ago. A document entitled ‘Problem Profile, Operation Protection’ from March 2010 reveals Asian MUSLIM gangs targeted schools and children’s homes across the force area."

09-06-2015, 04:59 PM #3
Robert Baird
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It should be obvious that feudal religious overlords in Iran are somewhat into power over people.There is nothing new about people in power craving power, nor in them justifying their personal pecadilloes of a sexual nature by some twisted history or "appeals to base human urges" (Machiavelli's recommendation).

Clearly ISIS is over the edge and yet they too are Muslim. I think Osama was a good Muslim in terms of understanding his religion and he had many high placed religious people funnelling money his way. So, does it behoove us to understand this klind of personality?

"Most of these people are not just right in your churches, schools, charitable organizations, and workplaces, but by their very nature, they are likely running them. It is a core trait of the psychopath to place themselves in positions of influence, not for public service, but for power. "The experience of pleasure is not reciprocal for the psychopath," stated Dr. Meloy, "it is available only through sadistic channels of power and control. Achieving power for the sake of having power is the nature of the psychopath."They love to have power and control over others," agreed Dr. Hare.

The need for absolute power over others and the wish to inflict pain for the enjoyment of watching others suffer, are almost never apparent to the casual observer. The reason for this is that another core trait of the psychopath is disguise. So unfortunately, these individuals usually mask themselves as good-natured people. If they have tremendous wealth, you can bet that they'll create charitable organizations as part of their mask."


Does government charge interest on unpaid taxes which Muslims have to pay or go to jail? If a woman is stoned or has her arm cut off due to Sharia Law in an unofficial British or Canadian Court what responsibility do the police have? I know one woman in British Colombia was finding the Canadian Government could not get justice for the daughter she paid to be murdered because that daughter would not marry who she wanted - honour killing - what a phrase!!!!
Do the women interviewed by the following journalist ever think about the comfort of the girls they will bring into this feudal state? Sure some forms of corruption are avoided by Sharia Law - and maybe we should do what the Romans did to corrupt public officials. They threw them in a bag with a vicious wild animal and dragged them through the street to the river and threw it in.

Please take the time to inform yourself about this most important issue coming to a shopping mall near you soon.

This post was last modified: 09-06-2015, 06:33 PM by Robert Baird.