Comments on: Sinister Sites – Temple Square, Utah http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986 A webzine about occult symbolism in mass media and on buildings around the world Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: screwed by Mormons http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-53672 screwed by Mormons Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:29:29 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-53672 Just travel in Utah or Idaho from out of state and don't look like a Mormon and bam , you will get pulled over and and searched (all your rights violated), w/ no chance of getting a fair hearing - Mormons have declared war on others they are def evil assholes. Just travel in Utah or Idaho from out of state and don’t look like a Mormon and bam , you will get pulled over and and searched (all your rights violated), w/ no chance of getting a fair hearing – Mormons have declared war on others they are def evil assholes.

]]> By: angie http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-53370 angie Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:20:23 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-53370 The same passage in the Bible which you quote Matt 7:20-23 states " Thus by their fruit will you know them. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell tham plainly, ' I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers'" Just because a person does good things does not mean that the fruit hidden with in their heart is the will of the Father in heaven! We are not redeemed by acts, but by the perfect Grace of God! The same passage in the Bible which you quote Matt 7:20-23 states ” Thus by their fruit will you know them. Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell tham plainly, ‘ I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers’” Just because a person does good things does not mean that the fruit hidden with in their heart is the will of the Father in heaven! We are not redeemed by acts, but by the perfect Grace of God!

]]> By: Willis http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-51927 Willis Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:23:47 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-51927 Brainwashed Mormon alert. Brainwashed Mormon alert.

]]> By: The not-christian beleiber http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-51786 The not-christian beleiber Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:51:47 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-51786 Before reading this article, i used to beleibe in this site, but this is full of shit!!! How can you just describe this way the faith of others, and the existence of other cultures? Damn you bitch!!!! Before reading this article, i used to beleibe in this site, but this is full of shit!!!
How can you just describe this way the faith of others, and the existence of other cultures?

Damn you bitch!!!!

]]> By: The not-christian beleiber http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-51784 The not-christian beleiber Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:49:18 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-51784 Well, The thing is that Cain ofered some flowers to god, because he didn´t have animals for a sacrifice, but god prefered the sacrifice ofered by Abel, and ignored Cain´s. Then, he saw that god prefers sacrifices, and gave him his brother; after that, god was so hipocrit and blamed him, after seting on him a defense seal. You can read it in Genesis... xD Well, The thing is that Cain ofered some flowers to god, because he didn´t have animals for a sacrifice, but god prefered the sacrifice ofered by Abel, and ignored Cain´s. Then, he saw that god prefers sacrifices, and gave him his brother; after that, god was so hipocrit and blamed him, after seting on him a defense seal. You can read it in Genesis…
xD

]]> By: Believer of God http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-51230 Believer of God Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:25:05 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-51230 with the story of Cain and Abel, God rejected Cain's offering because He asked them to bring the best of their offerings, in which Abel brought the whitest and purest of his fold while Cain kept the best for himself and gave God the second best. Just clearing it up for u. :) with the story of Cain and Abel, God rejected Cain’s offering because He asked them to bring the best of their offerings, in which Abel brought the whitest and purest of his fold while Cain kept the best for himself and gave God the second best. Just clearing it up for u. :)

]]> By: Thank you http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-51044 Thank you Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:34:06 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-51044 Thank you for your comment. It was beautiful. I suggest, not only Mormans, but every person in religion to read your comment. People get so caught up in the traditions of their religions and fail to notice that its not the religion they should be following but Jesus, my Lord and Savior, himself. He is the only way to heaven, please understand this people! nuttyriv3r - God bless and again thanks for your comment :) Thank you for your comment. It was beautiful. I suggest, not only Mormans, but every person in religion to read your comment. People get so caught up in the traditions of their religions and fail to notice that its not the religion they should be following but Jesus, my Lord and Savior, himself. He is the only way to heaven, please understand this people!

nuttyriv3r – God bless and again thanks for your comment :)

]]> By: Stephanie B http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-50950 Stephanie B Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:41:26 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-50950 Mormons believe that Lucifer, after he rebelled and was cast out of heaven, became Satan. Wikipedia states that "In English, 'Lucifer' generally refers to the Devil". I believe most Christians would feel that the suggestion of worshiping Lucifer is akin to worshiping the Devil or Satan. I know some people don't accept that Lucifer and Satan are essentially the same person, but I believe most Christians do. Mormons believe that Lucifer, after he rebelled and was cast out of heaven, became Satan. Wikipedia states that “In English, ‘Lucifer’ generally refers to the Devil”. I believe most Christians would feel that the suggestion of worshiping Lucifer is akin to worshiping the Devil or Satan. I know some people don’t accept that Lucifer and Satan are essentially the same person, but I believe most Christians do.

]]> By: Popsiclestand http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-50663 Popsiclestand Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:41:14 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-50663 I would say it's the same reason people get tattoos of Kanji symbols with no idea of the multiple meanings of those symbols -- they just think it looks cool. Why did the Nazis choose the already taken swastika? Why do fertility symbols represent life in agrarian cultures and subversion in mainly male-centered religions? Symbols only have the meaning that people give to them. That meaning changes over time according to circumstance. The fact that such changeable meaning strikes such fear/aggression/repulsion in you is an indicator of the power of symbols over your life. Lazy minds would prefer that symbol meanings remain the same in every situation simply because the world would make more sense that way, but that is not the case. The world and we humans that occupy it don't make much consistent sense actually, but a nice black and white "this is evil/this is good" wrapping paper would help many sleep better at night. I do not doubt that VC is a person well studied on the meaning of symbols throughout time, which is the reason I even read this website. But putting on his "symbol meaning for a certain time and place" glasses to read every single building, music video, and presentation is just lazy and biased unpacking of artistic work. One only needs to read ten articles on this site to realize that he pulls from the exact same bag of tricks with the exact same slant every single time. One might even go so far as to say, he already knows the outcome of his research before he embarks. He's just going through the motions with these articles. I don't mean to be a drag and I'm actually not a big fan of the LDS for reasons more concrete than vague symbolism, but after reading several of the articles on this site I just had to say something. To all those who see sinister in every symbol, I have two pieces of advice: (1) use this same biased thinking to look at the symbolism in Christianity which borrowed very heavily from so many other belief systems - some of the same systems criticized right here on Vigilant Citizen and (2) travel, meet people different than you, learn their ways and customs, and try to cast aside your own bias. It will open your mind and enrich your life exponentially. Beyond that, please be at peace and prosper. :) I would say it’s the same reason people get tattoos of Kanji symbols with no idea of the multiple meanings of those symbols — they just think it looks cool.

Why did the Nazis choose the already taken swastika? Why do fertility symbols represent life in agrarian cultures and subversion in mainly male-centered religions?

Symbols only have the meaning that people give to them. That meaning changes over time according to circumstance. The fact that such changeable meaning strikes such fear/aggression/repulsion in you is an indicator of the power of symbols over your life.

Lazy minds would prefer that symbol meanings remain the same in every situation simply because the world would make more sense that way, but that is not the case. The world and we humans that occupy it don’t make much consistent sense actually, but a nice black and white “this is evil/this is good” wrapping paper would help many sleep better at night.

I do not doubt that VC is a person well studied on the meaning of symbols throughout time, which is the reason I even read this website. But putting on his “symbol meaning for a certain time and place” glasses to read every single building, music video, and presentation is just lazy and biased unpacking of artistic work. One only needs to read ten articles on this site to realize that he pulls from the exact same bag of tricks with the exact same slant every single time. One might even go so far as to say, he already knows the outcome of his research before he embarks. He’s just going through the motions with these articles.

I don’t mean to be a drag and I’m actually not a big fan of the LDS for reasons more concrete than vague symbolism, but after reading several of the articles on this site I just had to say something. To all those who see sinister in every symbol, I have two pieces of advice: (1) use this same biased thinking to look at the symbolism in Christianity which borrowed very heavily from so many other belief systems – some of the same systems criticized right here on Vigilant Citizen and (2) travel, meet people different than you, learn their ways and customs, and try to cast aside your own bias. It will open your mind and enrich your life exponentially.

Beyond that, please be at peace and prosper. :)

]]> By: Travin http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986&cpage=1#comment-49464 Travin Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:40:34 +0000 http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=986#comment-49464 dude, you are 100% right. the nazi's gave the swastika a bad image. just like satan does, the swastika really used to mean good fortune. now it means, I'M AN ASSHOLE! dude, you are 100% right. the nazi’s gave the swastika a bad image. just like satan does, the swastika really used to mean good fortune. now it means, I’M AN ASSHOLE!

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